MTG Modern General

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>>44797286
Again, as a reminder for newer Modern players.

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>playing
GR tron

>brewing
Elves and all-color planeswalker tron (oath of nissa)

>next purchase
OTG pre-release

>Creeping Tar Pit is $25

>>44797350
do you think that the oath of gideon has a place in that too?

Been playing around with stormchaser mage in ur delver. I like it better than young pyro.

>>44797350
Oath of nissa tron? You got my attention

So /tg/, if you could have any one deck from Extended or Legacy suddenly become possible in Modern, which deck would it be?

Any of you Anons think that Slip Through Space will replace Distortion Strike in UG infect?

>>44800636
Miracles

>>44800984
na, +1/0 and the rebound seem more useful than a draw. At least to infect.

>>44801494

Why not both?

>>44800636

It's already a deck but I would like more cards for it. And that deck is Elves.

>>44800636
Miracles

Modern could use at least one real control deck

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Thinking about putting together a robot deck. Should I just be looking at construct creatures? Do I need land if I'm going all artifacts?

>>44801644

HAVE I GOT THE DECK FOR YOU
http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=189&meta=51&f=MO

>>44800636
Astral Slide. Most fun I ever had playing a deck.

>>44801684
Nah, affinity is something different. What I want to do is more like a tribal deck.

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>>44801805

>>44800636
Shardless BUG

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Could a type-based land denial deck ever work in modern? What could I use for a wincon? Is maindecking Peak Eruption enough to outrace burn?
Do I have to go blue for Spreading Seas/Boil?

>>44802130

Problem is that some decks barely even care about their land count, like Affinity.

>>44802130
You could loam/crucible ghost quarters in addition to blood moon. Play asuza for maximum value. There you go, got your own little shitbrew going on.

>>44801494
Its just to me the cantrip and the fact it goes right to the graveyard so I can delve it out for become immense seems like its much faster.

>>44802130
Urborg+Spreading Algae is pretty cute. Find a way to stall until turn 5 and cast Plow Under for maximum "fuck you".

>>44802208
>>44802263
Thanks fellas, gonna see if i can brew a 60-card shitpile with these

>>44802194
That's what the sideboard is for, hopefully. At least it fucks up tron

>>44802367

>That's what the sideboard is for, hopefully. At least it fucks up tron

I suppose that is one way of looking at it. Affinity's worst matchup is the sideboard.

>Playing
Smallpox loam. I'm working on a version that plays molten vortex instead of zombie infestation. I also like infernal tutor a lot in it because it's hard to get molten vortex sometimes.

>>44797286
>playing
Tokens, Elves, Jeskai control
>Brewing
Affinity, Gw hideaway/megamorph
>Sideboard tech
Stony silence crushes so many different decks its actually hilarious. I also have 16 copies of Pithing Needle, its amazing as it shuts down to many different decks
"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
"gg"
>aggro, combo or control
Aggro or control. I dont like spending turns digging for an instawin.
>next purchase
4x tarmogoyf for my legacy deck

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>>44802884
>"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
What is 'phrases preceding 'chord of calling for 3', Alex?'

>>44802884
>Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
>"gg"
You're stupid

>Aggro or control. I dont like spending turns digging for an instawin.

And bad

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>>44802130 Here, stole the fuck out of >>44802719 's gameplan

Sideboard suggestions?

Why shardless agent see play in legacy and not in modern?

>>44803297
Because you can't play with banned cards

>>44797286

>Playing
Affinity, BR Memedrazi
>Brewing
R E S T O R E M E M E S
>Sideboard Tech
Torpor Orb? Is that secret tech?
>Next MTG Purchase
Playset of Allied fetches. Chinaman didn't botch the onslaught fetches, so it's not crazy. Already got Bloodstained Mire, so 12 of them left.

>>44803297
Not modern legal broski

>>44803225
Ancient grudge or destructive revelry, boseiju if you feel like you need some help in a control matchup.

>>44803314
>>44803335
Ups didn't know.

>Playing
Gwb Collected Company Elves
>Brewing
Bant Jeskai Ascendancy
>Sideboard Tech
Chord of Calling into Painter's Servant vs Eldrazi
>Next MtG Purchase
Polluted Delta and Bloodstained Mire set.

Will new jace retain it's value after it rotates? should i buy now or wait?

>>44803686

The best time to buy Jace, Flipwalker was 6 months ago.

The fact that it's a 2-sided card makes it very difficult to be reprinted in the future

Stoneforge unban this Monday.
Who's ready?

>>44803686
You should buy it never. It's a bad card

>>44803787

>Dread Return Unban this Monday

ftfy

>>44803742
yeah, i didn't played any format besides commander 6 months ago, so i wanna know abot the perspective of the present and not of the past

>>44803787
Bloodbraid elf unban, like to see some support for fair midrange decks

>>44797992
lmao I remember picking them up for 6 around a year ago because blue and black weren't even a real combination of colors back then.

>>44801627
It already exists.

http://deckstats.net/deck-8848206-f67e74911fbf4e8005448d984cabcb19.html

>>44802884

>"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
>"gg"

This doesn't work since Heritage Druid's activated ability is a mana ability and Pithing Needle cannot stop this, you can still name Heritage Druid but won't stop them from tapping for GGG. Phyrexian Revoker however can.

>>44797286
>Currently Playing?
Esper Control. I like grinding out as much value as humanly possible.
>Sideboard tech
Combo - Runed Halo. I don't expect it to shut down combo decks, but it forces them to interact with me, which slows them down, which is exactly what I want.
Fair decks - Elspeth, Sun's Champion. In a fair attrition matchup, its basically "I win the game".
Aggro - Baneslayer Angel. If you literally do not have lethal burn in hand by the time this comes down you're dead.

>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
I generally prefer Control but I'm not opposed to playing combo, but if I'm going to play combo I'm going to be playing something degenerate like Bloom.

http://i.imgur.com/LUEFjk3.png

>>44804134
Neat if true. Try with Urza's Tower.

I kinda want to make a RG Dragon deck. Mostly using Green for ramp, until I can get out Ventmaw Savage, some sort of mana dork, and then Hellkite Charger and just attack forever.

>>44804134
If Twin gets banned a lot of people are going to quit modern.

>>44804282
Liam pls go

>>44800636
Just give me cabal therapy and deathrite shaman, I'll do the rest.

>>44804409

Who is Liam?

>>44797286
>>Currently Playing?
Affinity
>Brewing/Finishing?
Nothing really
>Sideboard Tech?
Nothing new.
>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
Aggro, Combo, and Tempo.
>Next MTG Purchase?
If Amulet Bloom survives the banning, Amulet Bloom.

>>44804134
This is not good. Why would you ban Twin? Fucking Wizards lol

At least this time I own multiple other decks. Last time I owned Affinity and was building Pod. This time I own everything.

>>44804315
People said the same thing when Birthing Pod was ban. Now look where we are. I don't think twin is gonna get banned though.

>>44804533
Why?

Because they can't give blue ANYTHING without pushing Twin over the top.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/416hjw/in_the_current_mtgo_beta_splinter_twin_and_summer/

>Tron king of meta confirmed (?)

>>44804576
This
>Maybe they unban preordain and ponder
>maybe Ad nauseam becomes tier 1

>>44804576
You can say the same for every deck in Tier 1. Next year people will say you can't print more Merfolk because the Modern deck becomes too popular with it.

And let's be real, Wizards isn't going to print good blue spells that slot well into Twin anyway.

>>44804134
I guess I'll try jamming Kiki in but if that fails I'm gonna be a sad fucking panda.

If they do go for amulet bloom, I hope they just ban something like tolaria west or maybe pact of negation or something instead of the combo itself.

Fuck, I liked going against Twin.
This will result in more Tron, which eventually will become more Burn.

Fuck Burn.

>>44804766
Lol what?

No you can't. Merfolk gets printed almost every set. Origins had one that's a 4x in Merfolk.

They just printed a 1UR Merfolk that may see play.

This is very different. This is banning a card so that the entire color can get better cards which may open up the possibility of more decks.

Blue is pretty weak in modern right now..

>>44804680
>ad nauseam becomes tier 1
Please no, the mirror match up is horrible. If ad nauseam ever becomes tier 1, I could see a piece being banned just to prevent the horrible mirror.

Are you guys ready for modern to become nothing but Infect. Tron matchups?

I'm torn between three decks right now:

>RW Allies
>Monowhite Death & Taxes
>Boros Bridge

Which one is more likely to be useful for longer? It'll be my first modern deck and I'd like it to last me a while.

Apparently there are rumors of twin and summer bloom getting banned. Does this mean ad nauseam is the best combo deck in modern if you don't count infect?

>>44805110
Buddy, stop trying to shill your Ad Nauseams.

The best combo deck becomes Scapeshift probably. Or Living End.

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>>44804975
>mfw I have a pretty decent matchup against both infect and tron but terrible against twin

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$25 at pre-release will it destroy modern as much as its going to destroy standard? How long till its treasure cruise'd and tron players go back to jund?

They killed the reddit thread

>>44804987
Lol they're all garbage and not real decks.
I guess DnT is okay

>>44805329
I should have said, I really only enjoy playing garbage stupid decks. The jankier and more thematic the better I feel when I eke out the occasional win at my FLGS.

>>44805360
I like you. Hulk Footsteps.

>>44805360
>I'm poor

>>44805309
Except they didn't

>>44805506
Yes it's removed. You can still view the thread if you have the link, however.

>>44805506
Yeah they did, it's not on the front page anymore.

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>>44805446
Not going to lie, it's cute. But I like janky non-combo best of all.

>>44805473
It's not a money thing. If you want to attach some form of negativity to it, play on my need to be a special little snowflake for attention. That's more accurate.

>>44805533
the r/magictcg mods are the biggest group of shitters I have ever seen.

How did you guys do at FNM? Managed to go 4-0 by bluffing lethal with ad nauseam during game 2 of the final rounds. Do you guys have any interesting bluff stories?

>>44805556
>But I like janky non-combo best of all.
Time walk?

>>44804879
Would banning twin mean they could justify unbanning ponder and preordain?

>>44805623
Would make storm and potentially Grishoalbrand significantly better.

>>44805623
Storm is still a thing.

>>44805623
I'm stockpiling those for now

>>44805641
Fucking Grishoalbrand.

I would have rather they ban that than Twin.

A twin ban actually doesn't sound that bad. Granted, I play Affinity, but still...

>>44805588
Won 4-0 with Lantern Control.

Not a bluff, but an amulet player was so angry and distracted, he forgot to pay for the pacts. Twice.

>>44805641
Griselbrand reanimator dies to any counterspell and grave hate. The only problemátic card is blood moon

>>44805643
>>44805641
Would storm even be dangerous if they were both unbanned? Its been garbage for a while now.

Sam Black said that fair decks are bad for modern.

Looks like WotC agrees!

>>44805716
Then Sam Black is an actual fucking retard. Only a spastic could think that a format containing powerful threats and weak answers is remotely healthy.

>>44805684
>The only problemátic card is blood moon
Speaking of cards that need to be banned. When the entire format has to warp to cater the existence of a card, I think there's a problem.

>>44805360

Jeskai Ascendancy or its more control-y sibling Jeskai Ascendancy Gifts

>>44805785
>having to play some basic lands is format warping

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/410la1/why_mana_flair_disappeared/

inb4 redditt

>>44805838
Well it pretty much is since it means 4/5c decks basically can't come into existence. Just look at Legacy. BUG Delver splashes red and wins in an environment with Wasteland and Stifle. Then as soon as Blood Moon resolves, it loses. Blood Moon makes Wasteland look like a shit card.

And really, when you have to factor a card's existence in your deck's construction in such a way that it makes your deck worse without even hitting the table, I think there's a serious problem.

>>44805902
>And really, when you have to factor a card's existence in your deck's construction in such a way that it makes your deck worse without even hitting the table, I think there's a serious problem

Totally. Let's ban Lightning bolt too so I can play any creature I want

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-01-18

Ban blue mana, its more of a legacy color anyway

>>44805944
Bolt is a face card 90% of the time, and no one actually changes the creatures they play based on Bolt existing anyway. Like, no one ever has. Meanwhile Blood Moon warps the format without touching the table.

>>44805978
>TWIN

LITERALLY NOT EVEN THE BEST DECK IN THE FORMAT

>>44805978
>twin
>bloom
Fucking lol.

>>44805978
Hope you picked up your Ravagers while they were $50 because Affinity is now officially the king of Modern.

Man it feels so good to be playing affinity right now

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>Releases a modern masters set with twin in it
>bans it
>mfw

man I was hoping twin would get hit but I didn't think they would cripple it like that. jesus christ. just ban exarch so the combo always dies to bolt

>>44806053
Lol I should just play a 4 of stony silence in the main knowing that gr tron and affinity are our new overlords.

>Twin is banned
So, how are we supposed to stop Tron now? I don't wanna play burn

>>44806180
Play Affinity, Anon ;^)

>>44806180
Don't worry. They'll ban it when it gets too popular.

>>44805978
The date says the 18th though, is this legit?

>twin ban

wizards wtf

i just built this wizards

now tron is gunna be the best

wtffff

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AND TWIN GOES DOWN!

>>44806228
Has to be. Doesn't really surprise me, WotC has some of the most kneejerk, retarded reactions to shit that gets leaked early. The article was probably already written up and they just posted it.

>>44806279
That may be the greatest wrasslin moment I've ever seen.

>be wizards
>releasing shit set after shit set
>destroys modern
>standard plz

So no cards were unbanned?

>>44806389
not. even. one.

Okay so I'm not super upset, I really did enjoy Twin but I still have Jund ;_;

What the fuck should I do with my Twin stuff now? Most of it is still useful except the tap dudes

>>44806389
Nothing unbanned. Tron is the undisputed king of modern now.

>>44806402
Turn it into Delver.
Your Jund deck is useless now. Tron is going to dominate until April. Then they'll make a new Emrakul and Modern will die.

>>44806402
Hold it for a while, wait for some chump to make a good deck using those cards.

Man I'm fucking sad. I own every Modern deck and this banlist update STILL breaks my heart.

>>44806389
Soon the ban list will be as long as legacy's ban list, which is terrifying considering legacy contains busted cards like THE ENTIRE POWER 9 and Time Vault. So many cards could come off the modern ban list that it's just frustrating.

>>Currently Playing
Not fucking twin

>>44806396
>Play Jund
>Just finished building Twin because of all the cancerous Eldrazi, Tron and Bloom decks
Welp, guess I should just build burn then. Fuck this format

>>44806424
I don't even play the deck, and it upsets me.

>>44806415
Delver in modern is really shitty though. I guess I could go Jeskai or something. For right now I'm gunna try to build Kiki Chord in sadness and then maybe Jeskai

>>44806424
Same senpai, Jund just got a ton worse too. Time to play linear it looks like, guess I'll build robots

>>44806430
I seriously think I'm going to switch over to Standard now. Nothing can be worse than playing against Tron 4 times a night.

So what's a No-Banlist Modern look like anyway?

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>TWIN GETS THE KEBASH
>BLOOM GETS NEUTERED
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>44806474
Hyper genesis everywhere. Skull clamp elves. Jitte mirror matches

>>44806457
>Modern Masters 2013 gets released
>build Affinity
>play Affinity for a year
>build Pod
>Pod gets banned
>go back to Affinity
>Modern Masters 2015 gets released
>fucking tired of Affinity, decide to build Twin and Jund
>Twin gets banned
>Jund becomes unviable
>go back to Affinity in tears

Story of my life. Right fucking here. And I was enjoying Modern a lot, too.

>>44806457
My friend who almost never plays has affinity built, only missing Glimmervoid. Don't know how viable that will be against Tron once Kozelik's Return gets printed.

lol at all the fags that bought scalding tarns

enjoy your mid range shit fest of a format faggots

>>44806474
You see why Mental Misstep is bullshit.

>>44806516
>Tron
>Midrange
Try again faggot

>>44806516
>midrange

It's literally Affinity vs Burn vs Tron.

>>44806474
Skullclamp vs skullclamp.

Enjoy Affinity and Tron, I FUCKING GUESS

D&T is secret tech IF YOU FUCKING TELL ANYONE, I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU YOU DUMPSTER BABY

>>44806528
>not "You see why Mental Misstep was a mental misstep.
Come on, son.

>>44806516
UR Tempo is still going to be a thing. What'll happen is people will remember that Delver is still a really good card and start using it again. Twin combo wins weren't really how the deck won most of the time anyway. It was usually the efficient beatdown plan.

>>44806497
Damn, heartbreaking desu. At least you still have Robots, which eats Tron

>>44806501
Still viable because you can go faster than it

glad i didnt fucking buy tarns though

>>44806541
Burn beats Tron

Affinity beats burn

Tron beats affinity

Format is officially balanced

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>Ban Twin, the combo vulnerable to multiple different types of removal spell
>Don't touch Tron at all

I don't see why they banned twin when the reason the deck has such success recently is that it can maindeck blood moon. Wizards shat the bed so hard it isn't even funny.

>>44806566
What? Crumble to Dust wasn't enough for you?
It's a strictly better Sewing Salt, you ungrateful swine! How dare you!

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>Built affinity two years ago
>Didn't really play it because stuff came up
>Got back into modern
>A lot of my cards are now worth twice what I bought them for
>Twin got axed
>MFW

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>be GR tron
>this eldrazi cuck think he can beat me

>>44806639
>Your face when he drops Oblivion Sower and hits all 3 Tron pieces

>>44806655
This actually happened to me before, I lost the game on the spot because he could cast ulamog.

are Merfolk good now? Spreading seas and shit for all those tron lands.

>gunna build kiki chord
>voice of resurgence is now 80 buxx
kill me now desu

>>44806600
Narrow answers make for such a fun format!

Up next from Wizards: Fantasy Roulette

>>44806516
Scalding tarn fetches the two most powerful basics, it's always gunna be good

>>44805556
I'm on the same page as you, I gain more satisfaction from playing a brew and going 2-2 then going 4-0 with Affinity or Merfolk.

It's just satisfying to see something you thought up pull through even a little against the titans of the format

Anyone have any info about those clear case/deck sets by MJ Holdings? They sell em at bigbox stores and they seem like a decent deal for 20 bucks. Even if the 60 card deck + 2 boosters is shit at least you get some dice/spindown, and 40 sleeves

>>44797286
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-01-18

Hopefully SFM can start fucking go down in price so I can build Legacy D&T now that the bans have been announced.

>wanted to build BGx someday
>no reason to now that Tron/Affinity/Burn owns the format
Is this truly the worst feel of them all?

Well, now I hope SFM will go back down and I'll get to buy my 4x GP promos for $10 each just like Grizzlybear and Batterphalus.

>>44806560
Twin combo was there to keep shit tier linear uninteractive decks in check. Now if you try playing URx you lose to whichever one you don't pack 4+ sideboard hate for.

>>44806780
It's worse when you only had Jund put together and you were in the process of building Twin.

>>44806780
>Is this truly the worst feel of them all?
Did you finish splinter twin today?

>Standard a shit
>Modern a shit
>Eternal no proxies allowed

Wizards don't give a single fuck

>>44806783
I just sold 2 for $41 apiece. Ill be able to buy a whole playset if I wait 2-3 weeks.

Since BGx is garbage now, what do you expect Goyf to plummet to?

>>44806826
Eternal no proxies allowed was just horrendous communication on wizards part

Time for Snaps, Cryptics, and Cliques to flood the market so I can build a shit tier Esper deck

>>44806813
No, but I had thought about integrating it into my grixis control sideboard.

I feel awful for whoever just bought a playset of Twin.

My interest in modern has gone from "none" to "actively avoid"

Well, Modern is over. No deck is safe from its own success, and only linear aggro and midrange goodstuff are kosher.

Pack it in, boys.

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Well there goes one of the few matchups I felt good about with Hatebears.

Are you ready for colorless winter? Now tron can sideboard 100% against Burn/Affinity and Eldrazi doesn't have to worry about losing to combos.

I believe eldrazi black will rise to tier 1 deck and defeat the evil GR tron overlord

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Why the fuck did they ban Twin instead of Exarch?
Pestermite is in Bolt/Wail range, and just having fewer creatures to combo with would hurt the deck as well.

>>44806889
Wrong. You have to play non-interactive decks now. Midrange is finished.

>David Bowie
>Alan Rickman
>Splinter Twin
RIP in peace

Who are they gonna ban now for this leak that was 100% their fault for not putting money into their fucking web development?

I don't have anywhere to talk about the pauper banning, b-but what am I gonna do without the cloud of faeries in my U delver?

At least only one person at my shop runs tron so I can still Jund around

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That's a nice meta you had there. Shame if something were to happen to it

AHAHAHA TWIN FUCKBOYS

shame about bloom though, that deck was really cool

>>44806928
Every new player at my store is playing it. It's only going to get worse now.

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This is it. We're officially in nuclear fallout mode. Prepare for hilarious metagame shifts as we enter into a new age of Modern. If anyone needs me I'll be buying Legacy cards online to finish my Stoneblade deck.

I quit. I will go with yu gi oh, if everything will be uninteractive decks

>>44806927
Play literally ANY of the other amazing blue spells in it's wake

>>44804877
Tron will dominate completely now that Twin is gone. It's only bad matches remain Affinity and Burn, since they already assrape the rest of tier 1 with their mainboard, they can dedicate all their sideboard to beating Affinity and Burn and we're fucked.

>>44806945
>run burn
>win
wew lad


ALso I wonder how this is going to compare to the Birthing Pod ban

>>44806972
I don't wanna play burn. I'm not a complete fucking retard.
I want to play interactive games of Magic.

>>44806980
Too fucking bad, you should have thought of that before you bought into Modern

>>44806980
Play Jund and lose I suppose.
Interaction right now is at an all time low imo. I'd be okay-er with this if something from Tron got banned because without Twin police its gunna go nuts

>>44806696
Shit, that's the only card I'm missing from the deck too. I have a whopping 1 copy. I guess I can just run a less good version for a while, I suppose.

>>44806980

>interactive formats

Ohohoho. Not on Wizard's watch.

>>44807000
Really? Time to sell

>Tron is so broken to the point where other decks need to mainboard Ghost Quarter to stand a chance
>Decide to leave it untouched and ban Splinter Twin
>Evidence for banning is literally outdated data from a previous meta where Tron didn't have Ulamog

>>44807025
We need a reprinting of Wasteland at this point.

>>44806474
There was a no-banlist Modern event a couple weeks ago down here, Storm won.

>>44806402
Buy a single Volcanic Island, a set of Brainstorms, a couple Ponder and play Delver in Legacy where this shit doesn't happen.

>>44806921
Whoever violated the terms of the NDA they signed to get into the Beta testing.
>>44806948
Fucking right there with you, anon.

>>44804879
In what universe will that 1UR see play?

>>44806995
>Twin police
It really was, wasn't it? I didn't really appreciate what Twin did for the format up until people were forced to start sideboarding major hate for it, and even then it still won tons of events.

Now that Twin is gone and without true MLD in Modern, Tron is gonna run rampant. This is like moving from a small town with good police to the south end of Chicago.

>>44807071
I have to volcanics that I was thinking about selling. Now I might just continue to play Miracles urgh.
Also I dont wanna buy Ghost Quarters

Is eldrazi tribal with eye of ugin/temple going to be a thing with the new hotness like reality shaper, matter smasher, displacer and thought knot?

>>44807072
>Whoever violated the terms of the NDA they signed to get into the Beta testing.

He means this
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-01-18

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One of my friends just finished foiling out his Twin deck today
A year ago he foiled out Pod. I really want him to foil out Tron now.

>Wizards won't reprint Blood Moon or Magus of the Moon in Shadows Over Innistrad even though they would be perfect flavor-wise and need the reprints
I can feel the disappointment already

>>44807089
Nah people fucking despised Twin just look at past modern threads here.

>>44807120
That poor dude. At least the smug ass dude who sometimes came to my LGS gets knocked down a peg for having foil Twin.

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I knew a Twin ban was coming but damn I didn't want it to happen

>>44807126
And hurt their precious Tron? Not a chance, those little kids like playing with Eldrazi, and Wizards will make sure nothing gets in their way.

>>44806958
>YGO
>interactive

Why would anyone play Modern anymore? Wizards has all but confirmed that no deck is safe.

>STONEFORGE MYSTIC UNBANNING GAIZ

lol

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>>44807126
>perfect flavor-wise
>Innistrad's moon is made of silver

Well modern is now dead, we went from diversity to twon vs burn vs affinity

>>44807167
Yes I'm sure they absolutely couldn't cover the moon in blood with magic or something, you're right, absolutely unthinkable

Meanwhile in Legacy:
>no changes
>meta is healthy
>last time shit got banned the community was cool with it
>lots of prospective playables in Oath for Goblins and MUD
Wizards is trying to tell you something.

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I've been thinking of running hatebears/D&T for a while now

what will these bannings mean for those two decks?

>>44807144
Summer Bloom is no surprise, but Twin wasn't overly oppressive, didn't win before turn 4, and wasn't inherently any more breakable unlike Pod which was just gonna keep getting better. There was no reason for a ban other than "it's done too well for too long, so fuck this deck in particular" which shouldn't be a valid criterion for killing the deck.

I don't even particularly LIKE Twin and I think this is horseshit.

>>44806780
>>44806809
Niggers, Jund has fair game vs Affinity and Burn, now it's the time to ally and gang up on those colorless faggots.

They are going to have to emergency unban twin. As a tron player, the deck is going to be extremely broken now.
>no longer need to dedicate half their sideboard just to have a 50/50 matchup against twin
>can now dedicate their sideboard to burn and affinity
>no longer need mainboard spellskites due to lack of twin, leaving more room for board wipes

>>44807099

Yes and no. It has bad matchups vs Affinity, Tron and Burn who are going to dominate the fuck out of the meta.

Yes because it'll tear apart literally every other deck. It's a gatekeeper deck, you must be this good to be considered anywhere near tier 1.

>>44807167
Do you not know what causes a blood moon? Hint: it's not what the moon is made of

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>Be falling out of magic for a while now, used to play standard constantly
>Buy Burn deck to get into modern, sell standard deck when prices are stupidly high. Decide to just play this for my magic fix.
>Burn has done nothing but get better since I swapped.
>Tron exploding in popularity and Twin banned

God bless the USA.

>>44807214
Jund gets shit on by tron, though. And I don't think the eldrazi matchup is particularly good as well.

I just saw the bannings and ha ha ha oh my god is Wizards even trying with Modern anymore?

Legacy decks look better and better all the time, too bad it's dead as fuck.

>>44807210
Twin was one of it's best match ups

I mean it still favored Twin but your disruption hit it pretty hard.

Tron should in theory just dump on hatebears, especially if Kozilek's Return starts getting mainboarded.

>>44806849
More like they had to backpedal because Trick and Helene are fucking assholes and the vintage community was ready to make their own DCI and stop opening 100 boxes of conspiracy for a foil Dack Fayden.

>>44807210
Fewer decks to hate, more space for pure aggro.
>>44807207
>If you run a proxy tournament you can lose your WPN status
Wizards is actively trying to fuck Legacy too.

Eye of Ugin needs a ban desu

>>44807157
Between Pendulum Magicians, Kozmo, Amorphages which will be basically YGO's D&T and the release of Solemn Strike I guess the next YGO meta will have very much interaction. At least with your wallet, the prices are through the roof, fucking Konami.

>>44807214
Jund's game 1 against Affinity and Burn is terrible. Four Maindeck Confidants and 3 Thoughtsiezes means you get fucked.
Games 2 and 3 vs burn aren't much better. Jund doesn't have much good life gain. It does better against affinity post board, but can still be pretty goddamn hard if they have an explosive start.

Time to jump ship to Force of Will for good. It's as powerful as Modern but isn't run by a shitty company like WotC.

>>44807271
Jund should run Feed the Clan, it shouldn't be that hard to get your Goyf to 4 power.

>>44806909
They think
>Lol just use Kiki
Is an aswer.

>>44807271
It's been a while since I looked at Junk. Any better game against Affinity and Burn?

>>44807305
Better against Burn for sure. Rhino doesn't give a shit about Eidelon. Plus Sorin and Vault.

>>44807271
I think junk will do better
>stony silence
>leyline
>path
> finks
>rhinos
>teeg
>voice

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Actually fuck it since blue is getting fucked I'm just going to build Gifts

>>44807270
Every time I get back into the game it's been Synchro Solitaire, Burning Ass: The Shuffling, or Respawning Spacejews. I've literally never played the game in an interactive meta.

>>44807305
lingering souls is pretty good against affinity.

>>44807271
Jund's affinity match-up is pretty good. Killing inkmoth nexus is a pain though

The age of Twin is over. The time of Tron has come.

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Ok so this makes Tron and the Eldrazi decks better, we know that.

What other Tier 3 or Tier 2 decks do you think get bumped up a tier?

>>44807346
You mean UW Tron?

>>44802130
spreading seas is better than peak eruption against burn and pretty much every other deck except twin. Burn runs pretty much no spells with generic mana in their costs.

>>44807051
This desu sempai.

>>44807346
Will gifts get a place in the meta?

>>44807378
Combo decks that kill after turn 4 like scapeshift

>>44807378
Death and taxes, jund will be tierra 2 imo

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GET BTFO BLUE PLAYERS AHAHAHAHA

YOU KNOW WHAT DOES WELL AGAINST TRON?

>>44807412
>Death and Taxes is a good deck
Is this the worst tg meme?

>>44807378
Maybe a linear aggro deck that can win as fast as Affinity or Burn.

On the plus side there is no reason not to reprint Force of Will now.

>>44807436
Death and Taxes IS a very solid deck. In Legacy.

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>>44807287
I've heard good things about FoW's mechanics, but I can't stop cringing at the "art". I've seen better shit from tumblr and DeviantArt.

>>44807158
Because playing magic is honestly just a bad idea, all of your options are horrible.

>Standard: Spend $500 on cards that will be worthless in a few months so you can play in a boring format
>Modern: Pay out the ass for a deck and pray that wotc doesn't decide to ban it when they want to make sure some of the cards for their shitty new set get played in the protour
>Legacy: Not even an option for most people, even if you can buy into the format good luck ever finding a game.

>>44807359
Good goys, buy into tron. Make sure you pick up your copies of Kozilek's Return from Oath of the Gatewatch™ :)

>>44805994
Looks like someone has never heard the phrases "bolt the bird" or "dies to bolt." Every creature in modern must either survive bolt, generate value before being bolted, trade tempo evenly with a bolt, or have a high enough benefit to outweigh the risk of being bolted.

>>44807397
Scapeshift is our best hope to prevent tron from getting banned. Its like an 80-20 matchup in favor of scapeshift.

>>44807459
Is that supposed to be bad? Post derp fairy at least or anything but that guy.

>>44807259
The Chicken Little-ing continues

>>44807393
Probably not but theoretically? Banning Twin allows other blue decks to be better, although most of them die to Tron. I'm kinda excited to see what comes out of it but I wish Tron ate a ban too

>>44807379
God no I'm not that deep in mourning

>>44807464
I'm just gonna cube with proxies now. Constructed is dead.

inc remand and serum visions price plummet

>>44804514
>Next MTG Purchase?
>If Amulet Bloom survives the banning, Amulet Bloom.
So much for that. I'll just look into Scapeshift I guess.

>>44807378
Scapeshift maybe since it assrapes the eldrazi deck. Burn, Affinity, Infect remain tier 1 along Tron.
No one else gets better, literally every other deck is beaten 70-30% or worse by Tron.

>playing burn in modern
>buy 12 extra cards to play burn in legacy
>new sets never have 3 for 1 spells
>feelsgood.man

>>44807475
Fuck Tron.
>>44807497
It was a joke. UW Tron isn't even a good version of Tron.

Go build Gifts. It's a fun deck.

>>44806564
idk I usually have an army of signal pests and skirges online by the time they have karn on the field after cracking expedition map and whatnot. Ensoul artifact on skirge is a nice feeling on a deck who's only removal is pyroclasm.

>>44807531
Storm can get turn 2 Blood Moon. Worth mentioning.

>>44806228
It's legit, the official Twitter for MTG said they posted it early to stop speculation of stuff over the weekend thanks to the MTGO beta leak of Twin and Bloom getting banned earlier today.

For me, I expected Summer Bloom to be banned for the reasons they stated.

Kinda surprised by Twin itself, and the logic they have behind it is a bit wonky. So you banned Twin because it doesn't promote deck diversity in Modern. So unban some stronger blue cards to try and pull players into Blue. There's no reason to play blue anymore in Modern for anything other than Snapcaster Mage, and if that's the only thing you have going for you, I'd rather be playing Affinity or GR Tron and just blow people out with how tuned their lists are.

If WotC wants to promote deck diversity then look at unbanning other cards on the list. Just pruning one or two cards from the top decks every 3-6 months will eventually turn Modern into a neutered, weak Extended format filled with nothing but Burn, Infect, Tron, and Midrange decks. Having stronger cards in the format creates tension on the metagame and lets people brew decks and pull the metagame into different directions as they react to what's strong and how to beat it.

But WotC doesn't know how they want to treat Modern, so they just throw shit at a dart board and see what gets hit with the ban/unban darts.

>>44807497
>Probably not but theoretically? Banning Twin allows other blue decks to be better

making other decks better is the reason they banned wild nacatl which didn't work out. If we don't get a new deck to take its place we could see twin getting unbanned later on.

Next purchase? 2 Onslaught Delta's, 2 Flooded strands, , 2 Undergrounds, 1 Library. Its almost time to save up for power.

So I should just buy my ghost quarters now right?

>>44807553
Storm is not a real deck and if it ever came close to tier 2 wizards will ban another piece.

>>44807546
I almost wish I kept RG tron but god it was boring to play

>>44807568
Fair. I hope it gets unbanned Twin was a blast to play

>>44807554
If they wanted to promote deck diversity they would need to ban Blood Moon and unban some of the weaker cards on the list, like Sword of the Meek. As it stands, they don't seem to know what exactly they are doing.

>>44807517
This and edh are what I've been playing, haven't spent a dime on this game since they banned pod and I never plan on it. It's funny, because twin is the deck that I probably would have bought into had I continued playing for real. Glad I didn't, fuck WOTC.

>SFM still banned

Fuck this joke of a format.

>>44807628
Banning Blood Moon is the opposite of what they need to do with Tron and Bx Eldrazi running amok.

>>44807554
>will eventually turn Modern into a neutered, weak Extended format

Thats what it is. Thats what it's always been.

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>Summer Bloom wins the game too fast, okay, I get it
>Splinter Twin places consistently, which doesn't warrant a ban in and of itself, but it gets banned anyway
>Because fuck good decks, amirite
>Tron is apparently perfectly fine taking any colorless finisher printed and powering it out way ahead of the curve
>MFW

>>44807532
Amen brother. Been playing Red Deck Wins since I first started magic. It's always strong, and always unbanned.

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>>44807644
>Turn 3 Batterskull
>WHOA THERE MOTHERFUCKER
>Turn 3 Karn
>Perfectly reasonable :^)

>>44807658
:>the bannings are (prematurely) dropped on the pre-release of a set with tons of colorless lard asses only tron can really play
ha.

>>44807658
Tron won't be fine for long. Don't buy into it.

>>44807628
Stop whining about Blood Moon you filthy eldrazi drone.

>>44807628
Blood Moon is fine, it's meant to be a deck that punishes greedy manabases. And because we don't have things like Wasteland or Stifle in Modern, Blood Moon is the next best thing.

I do agree with unbanning weaker cards though.

>>44807654
I meant Legacy, not Extended, my bad. I know the two aren't nearly as close in terms of power level, but when WotC announced Modern, they stated that it was (basically) intended to eventually replace Legacy as the premiere 'eternal' format.

Can we just get Price of Progress in modern and be done with this tron nonsense

>>44807649
Blood moon forces people to play red or get fucked, the exact opposite of deck diversity. If they want a "diverse format" then pigeon holing everyone into playing red for Blood Moon is the exact opposite of diverse. Whether Tron or the Eldrazi deck are running amok doesn't apply in the criteria they've stated.

>>44807683
Next update won't be until April. WotC probably won't do anything Tron. They may unban Twin, but don't count on it.

>>44807697
This is the stupidest argument against Blood Moon I've ever heard.

>>44807644
Honestly this. This format is a fucking joke that's being overpoliced by wizards. You can't play control (Tron isn't control its bullshit ramp) , every last fucking combo gets banned out of the format first it was Thopter Sword, then Storm and then Pod, now Bloom and Twin get the axe, next it'll be Grishoalbrand. Probably the only one that won't hit the axe is Scapeshift just because it already was banned with Valakut banning. They basically force you to play aggro and midrange and it's retarded.

>>44807683
I'm not planning to. I'm selling off Modern staples to snag a few Legacy duals.

I'm done. I've given it a few years to get better, but now I'm done.

>>44807697
>Spreading seas forces players to play blue or get fucked.

You don't understand how to play around things.

>>44806727
A package of good Dragon Shield/KMC/whatever-your-brand-is sleeves costs $12 (at most) plus $5 for perfect fits. 40 sleeves plus a spindown is a shit deal, regardless of whatever cards you can possibly open.

>>44807697
>Play blood moon
>In response float mana
>Destroy Blood Moon after it resolves
Not hard at all.

Kek guess someone better update OP's image.

>>44807728
Spreading Seas is fine, it targets one land and one land only. The problem with Blood Moon is that it targets all lands in a sweep.

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Is this still a thing? Was it ecer a thing? Will it be a thing?

I guess it is modern and you should have won by turn 4

>shitters whining about blood moon

The only thing Blood Moon is doing wrong is not being reprinted in every set.

Snipe it with discard, counter it, run enchantment removal, float mana off it, fucking ghost quarter your own land in response, there's a lot of counter play.

>>44807755
Doesn't help as much as you'd think against Tron. Can't play it until after they resolve a Karn, maybe even an Ugin.

>>44807697
No, Blood Moon forces decks to think about what lands they fetch and to at least put a couple basics in their manabase so that they don't get left to rot with all their non-red spells in their hands.

Not to mention that any green or white-based deck has ways of dealing with it (Naturalize or Disenchant respectively, Abrupt Decay if you're a GBx deck). Blue decks always had a high basic land count due to Snapcaster Mage and Cryptic Command, and Black... Well, you never really get enchantment removal anyway, so deal with it.

>Currently Playing?
G/B Predator Ooze brew

>Brewing/Finishing?
Evo Elves

>Sideboard Tech?
Ulvenwald Tracker for my Pred Oozes

>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
Kinda all three. I do hedge to combo and midrange though.

>Next MTG Purchase?
Not sure. Maybe some EDH stuff.

>>44807689
The thing is, modern feels very much like standard and very little like legacy. It may have been the plan, but it has not worked

The worst part is that such a cancerous auto-pilot deck like Tron that doesn't reward player skill is now going to reign supreme. WOTC can go fuck itself with a rusty spoon.

>>44807690
I am opposed to any new cards that make burn even better than it already is. I've killed too many people without even trying playing this deck, it's fucking horrible that it is top tier.

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So if you were to go W/R hatebears to try and be able to run Blood Moon, what red cards would you use other than Blood Moon?

Running Bolt with Thalia seems like a pain in the ass

>>44807658
This ban isn't about creating a fun/diverse format, it's about making sure that they can show new cards on coverage at the protour. You ask for a modern protour and this is what you get.

>>44807819
How many people play Affinity at worlds? I think like 5 of the top 8 decks were Affinity.

>>44804315
Guess who got the banhammer.

>>44807811
Price is good in burn, but its also good in non-burn decks and makes basics even more powerful

>>44807813
I'd still run Thalia. There's that wizard minotaur from Gatecrash... Boros Reckoner? That'd probably be good in a hatebears deck as a way to push damage through.

>>44807813
Bolt, because bolt.
Helix or warleaders, because lifegain/burn is p solid

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Time to join the maindeck pithing needle club twinbros. Fuck Tron.

>>44807755

No.
No.
Probably not.

Tron player can just ghost quarter in response, or pop a land with his -1 and stop you from ever playing the bitch. There's many ways around it. Or

>he has wurmcoil out
>you tap out to play crumble
>pop one of his tron
>no answer to Wurmcoil taking you to value town

I'm expecting the Modern metagame to now shift to Tron vs. Affinity vs. Infect, with there being basically 0 reason to play white cards unless it's for Path to Exile or Restoration Angel.

If only there was a card that could help push decks into looking more at white... Something that you wouldn't mind seeing either in your opening hand or in a top deck war...

>>44807819
>You ask for a modern protour and this is what you get.
Fucking THIS.

The morons who demanded a Pro Tour be switched from whatever to Modern should fucking die.

Fuck, forget it. This is just another distraction. Wizards has brilliantly built-in distractions that occur every couple months to deflect attention away from the fact that faggots are driving up prices of cards like Blackcleave Cliffs to $25 and Grove of the Burnwillows to $100.

Many of my decks have become 10x more valuable in the past year. It's fucking ridiculous. Without counting the lands Living End could be had for $40, the bulk of which was $5 Fulminators. Now look at it.

>>44807895
Turn 3 batterskull doesn't mean shit when Ugin is coming down the next turn.

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I guess now that my only bad matchups are gone, I can finally play eggs at 100% :)

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>>44807895
>unban never

>>44807926
Unban Second Sunrise.

>>44807913

There is a solution my friend. You know what it is.

G T K R W N

>>44807212
They banned it because pretty much any URx deck was made better by the inclussion of the Twin combo. This is the same reason behind the banning of GSZ and Pod, because they lessened diversity in the format.

This has been WotC's intent from the beginning with Modern. It's supposed to be a format of brews that reward those who can succesfully predict the metagame without having a single deck dominate the format or a single card dominate an archetype.

>>44806484
Jitte is a really fun card. It warps the meta, but it does it in the best ways.
Basically every format is improved through Jitte.

>>44807960
>>44807960

New thread

>>44807895
>>44807940
She'll come back down in price, I'll complete my set, and my switch to Legacy will be complete. My playgroup just swaps their decks anyway, not like I'll suffer for only having one or two choices for what to pilot.

>>44807944
Even I have limits mang. Did you watch the protour with 4 eggs in top8? That shit never ended

>>44807923
So I lose game 1 to Ugin, and sideboard in my Stony SIlences, LD spells, Pithing Needles, and Gaddok Teeg's for the next two games and just hate bears the ever living fuck out of Tron and beat them down with my 1/2 waifu.

>>44807940
What are, "Things you were implying for 500, Alex."

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>twin banned
MY TIME HAS COME, PREPARE THY ANUS

>>44806529
Tron is midrange though, we've been over this, it has less interaction then jund, calling it control is asinine.
>it's ramp
ramp is a form of midrange.

>>44807963
And in doing so they handed Tron the format with its proverbial wrists tied to the bedpost and a ballgag in its mouth. Wizards is managing Modern into the fucking ground, it's failed in its goals and trying to force "diversity" by banning cards piecemeal will only exacerbate the problem.

>>44807989
Goblin tribal
>my cunt is so wet right now

>>44808139
It's a good thing, because a bunch of little green men are gonna run train on it with their little green dicks.

>>44807628
If anything Modern needs more ways to punish greedy mana bases not less.

>>44807697
I rember the first time I played Modern too.

>>44806677
Merfolk has always been "good." It's just not top 3.

Most people would argue it's tier 1