Magic: The Gathering Modern General (Competitive Discussion)
>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
>Next MTG Purchase?
Again, as a reminder for newer Modern players.
Elves and all-color planeswalker tron (oath of nissa)
Thinking about putting together a robot deck. Should I just be looking at construct creatures? Do I need land if I'm going all artifacts?
Could a type-based land denial deck ever work in modern? What could I use for a wincon? Is maindecking Peak Eruption enough to outrace burn?
Do I have to go blue for Spreading Seas/Boil?
Smallpox loam. I'm working on a version that plays molten vortex instead of zombie infestation. I also like infernal tutor a lot in it because it's hard to get molten vortex sometimes.
Tokens, Elves, Jeskai control
Affinity, Gw hideaway/megamorph
Stony silence crushes so many different decks its actually hilarious. I also have 16 copies of Pithing Needle, its amazing as it shuts down to many different decks
"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
>aggro, combo or control
Aggro or control. I dont like spending turns digging for an instawin.
4x tarmogoyf for my legacy deck
>"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
What is 'phrases preceding 'chord of calling for 3', Alex?'
>>44802130 Here, stole the fuck out of >>44802719 's gameplan
Affinity, BR Memedrazi
R E S T O R E M E M E S
Torpor Orb? Is that secret tech?
>Next MTG Purchase
Playset of Allied fetches. Chinaman didn't botch the onslaught fetches, so it's not crazy. Already got Bloodstained Mire, so 12 of them left.
Not modern legal broski
Gwb Collected Company Elves
Bant Jeskai Ascendancy
Chord of Calling into Painter's Servant vs Eldrazi
>Next MtG Purchase
Polluted Delta and Bloodstained Mire set.
>"Pithing Needle, naming heritage Druid"
This doesn't work since Heritage Druid's activated ability is a mana ability and Pithing Needle cannot stop this, you can still name Heritage Druid but won't stop them from tapping for GGG. Phyrexian Revoker however can.
Esper Control. I like grinding out as much value as humanly possible.
Combo - Runed Halo. I don't expect it to shut down combo decks, but it forces them to interact with me, which slows them down, which is exactly what I want.
Fair decks - Elspeth, Sun's Champion. In a fair attrition matchup, its basically "I win the game".
Aggro - Baneslayer Angel. If you literally do not have lethal burn in hand by the time this comes down you're dead.
>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
I generally prefer Control but I'm not opposed to playing combo, but if I'm going to play combo I'm going to be playing something degenerate like Bloom.
>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
Aggro, Combo, and Tempo.
>Next MTG Purchase?
If Amulet Bloom survives the banning, Amulet Bloom.
This is not good. Why would you ban Twin? Fucking Wizards lol
At least this time I own multiple other decks. Last time I owned Affinity and was building Pod. This time I own everything.
You can say the same for every deck in Tier 1. Next year people will say you can't print more Merfolk because the Modern deck becomes too popular with it.
And let's be real, Wizards isn't going to print good blue spells that slot well into Twin anyway.
No you can't. Merfolk gets printed almost every set. Origins had one that's a 4x in Merfolk.
They just printed a 1UR Merfolk that may see play.
This is very different. This is banning a card so that the entire color can get better cards which may open up the possibility of more decks.
Blue is pretty weak in modern right now..
I'm torn between three decks right now:
>Monowhite Death & Taxes
Which one is more likely to be useful for longer? It'll be my first modern deck and I'd like it to last me a while.
>mfw I have a pretty decent matchup against both infect and tron but terrible against twin
$25 at pre-release will it destroy modern as much as its going to destroy standard? How long till its treasure cruise'd and tron players go back to jund?
Not going to lie, it's cute. But I like janky non-combo best of all.
It's not a money thing. If you want to attach some form of negativity to it, play on my need to be a special little snowflake for attention. That's more accurate.
Well it pretty much is since it means 4/5c decks basically can't come into existence. Just look at Legacy. BUG Delver splashes red and wins in an environment with Wasteland and Stifle. Then as soon as Blood Moon resolves, it loses. Blood Moon makes Wasteland look like a shit card.
And really, when you have to factor a card's existence in your deck's construction in such a way that it makes your deck worse without even hitting the table, I think there's a serious problem.
>And really, when you have to factor a card's existence in your deck's construction in such a way that it makes your deck worse without even hitting the table, I think there's a serious problem
Totally. Let's ban Lightning bolt too so I can play any creature I want
Bolt is a face card 90% of the time, and no one actually changes the creatures they play based on Bolt existing anyway. Like, no one ever has. Meanwhile Blood Moon warps the format without touching the table.
>Releases a modern masters set with twin in it
Has to be. Doesn't really surprise me, WotC has some of the most kneejerk, retarded reactions to shit that gets leaked early. The article was probably already written up and they just posted it.
Soon the ban list will be as long as legacy's ban list, which is terrifying considering legacy contains busted cards like THE ENTIRE POWER 9 and Time Vault. So many cards could come off the modern ban list that it's just frustrating.
Delver in modern is really shitty though. I guess I could go Jeskai or something. For right now I'm gunna try to build Kiki Chord in sadness and then maybe Jeskai
Same senpai, Jund just got a ton worse too. Time to play linear it looks like, guess I'll build robots
>TWIN GETS THE KEBASH
>BLOOM GETS NEUTERED
>Modern Masters 2013 gets released
>play Affinity for a year
>Pod gets banned
>go back to Affinity
>Modern Masters 2015 gets released
>fucking tired of Affinity, decide to build Twin and Jund
>Twin gets banned
>Jund becomes unviable
>go back to Affinity in tears
Story of my life. Right fucking here. And I was enjoying Modern a lot, too.
UR Tempo is still going to be a thing. What'll happen is people will remember that Delver is still a really good card and start using it again. Twin combo wins weren't really how the deck won most of the time anyway. It was usually the efficient beatdown plan.
>Ban Twin, the combo vulnerable to multiple different types of removal spell
>Don't touch Tron at all
>Built affinity two years ago
>Didn't really play it because stuff came up
>Got back into modern
>A lot of my cards are now worth twice what I bought them for
>Twin got axed
I'm on the same page as you, I gain more satisfaction from playing a brew and going 2-2 then going 4-0 with Affinity or Merfolk.
It's just satisfying to see something you thought up pull through even a little against the titans of the format
Anyone have any info about those clear case/deck sets by MJ Holdings? They sell em at bigbox stores and they seem like a decent deal for 20 bucks. Even if the 60 card deck + 2 boosters is shit at least you get some dice/spindown, and 40 sleeves
Well there goes one of the few matchups I felt good about with Hatebears.
Why the fuck did they ban Twin instead of Exarch?
Pestermite is in Bolt/Wail range, and just having fewer creatures to combo with would hurt the deck as well.
That's a nice meta you had there. Shame if something were to happen to it
This is it. We're officially in nuclear fallout mode. Prepare for hilarious metagame shifts as we enter into a new age of Modern. If anyone needs me I'll be buying Legacy cards online to finish my Stoneblade deck.
Tron will dominate completely now that Twin is gone. It's only bad matches remain Affinity and Burn, since they already assrape the rest of tier 1 with their mainboard, they can dedicate all their sideboard to beating Affinity and Burn and we're fucked.
Play Jund and lose I suppose.
Interaction right now is at an all time low imo. I'd be okay-er with this if something from Tron got banned because without Twin police its gunna go nuts
>Tron is so broken to the point where other decks need to mainboard Ghost Quarter to stand a chance
>Decide to leave it untouched and ban Splinter Twin
>Evidence for banning is literally outdated data from a previous meta where Tron didn't have Ulamog
It really was, wasn't it? I didn't really appreciate what Twin did for the format up until people were forced to start sideboarding major hate for it, and even then it still won tons of events.
Now that Twin is gone and without true MLD in Modern, Tron is gonna run rampant. This is like moving from a small town with good police to the south end of Chicago.
>Whoever violated the terms of the NDA they signed to get into the Beta testing.
He means this
One of my friends just finished foiling out his Twin deck today
A year ago he foiled out Pod. I really want him to foil out Tron now.
Nah people fucking despised Twin just look at past modern threads here.
That poor dude. At least the smug ass dude who sometimes came to my LGS gets knocked down a peg for having foil Twin.
I knew a Twin ban was coming but damn I didn't want it to happen
>Innistrad's moon is made of silver
Meanwhile in Legacy:
>meta is healthy
>last time shit got banned the community was cool with it
>lots of prospective playables in Oath for Goblins and MUD
Wizards is trying to tell you something.
I've been thinking of running hatebears/D&T for a while now
what will these bannings mean for those two decks?
Summer Bloom is no surprise, but Twin wasn't overly oppressive, didn't win before turn 4, and wasn't inherently any more breakable unlike Pod which was just gonna keep getting better. There was no reason for a ban other than "it's done too well for too long, so fuck this deck in particular" which shouldn't be a valid criterion for killing the deck.
I don't even particularly LIKE Twin and I think this is horseshit.
They are going to have to emergency unban twin. As a tron player, the deck is going to be extremely broken now.
>no longer need to dedicate half their sideboard just to have a 50/50 matchup against twin
>can now dedicate their sideboard to burn and affinity
>no longer need mainboard spellskites due to lack of twin, leaving more room for board wipes
Yes and no. It has bad matchups vs Affinity, Tron and Burn who are going to dominate the fuck out of the meta.
Yes because it'll tear apart literally every other deck. It's a gatekeeper deck, you must be this good to be considered anywhere near tier 1.
>Be falling out of magic for a while now, used to play standard constantly
>Buy Burn deck to get into modern, sell standard deck when prices are stupidly high. Decide to just play this for my magic fix.
>Burn has done nothing but get better since I swapped.
>Tron exploding in popularity and Twin banned
God bless the USA.
Twin was one of it's best match ups
I mean it still favored Twin but your disruption hit it pretty hard.
Tron should in theory just dump on hatebears, especially if Kozilek's Return starts getting mainboarded.
More like they had to backpedal because Trick and Helene are fucking assholes and the vintage community was ready to make their own DCI and stop opening 100 boxes of conspiracy for a foil Dack Fayden.
Between Pendulum Magicians, Kozmo, Amorphages which will be basically YGO's D&T and the release of Solemn Strike I guess the next YGO meta will have very much interaction.
At least with your wallet, the prices are through the roof, fucking Konami.
Jund's game 1 against Affinity and Burn is terrible. Four Maindeck Confidants and 3 Thoughtsiezes means you get fucked.
Games 2 and 3 vs burn aren't much better. Jund doesn't have much good life gain. It does better against affinity post board, but can still be pretty goddamn hard if they have an explosive start.
Actually fuck it since blue is getting fucked I'm just going to build Gifts
Every time I get back into the game it's been Synchro Solitaire, Burning Ass: The Shuffling, or Respawning Spacejews. I've literally never played the game in an interactive meta.
Ok so this makes Tron and the Eldrazi decks better, we know that.
What other Tier 3 or Tier 2 decks do you think get bumped up a tier?
GET BTFO BLUE PLAYERS AHAHAHAHA
YOU KNOW WHAT DOES WELL AGAINST TRON?
I've heard good things about FoW's mechanics, but I can't stop cringing at the "art". I've seen better shit from tumblr and DeviantArt.
Because playing magic is honestly just a bad idea, all of your options are horrible.
>Standard: Spend $500 on cards that will be worthless in a few months so you can play in a boring format
>Modern: Pay out the ass for a deck and pray that wotc doesn't decide to ban it when they want to make sure some of the cards for their shitty new set get played in the protour
>Legacy: Not even an option for most people, even if you can buy into the format good luck ever finding a game.
Good goys, buy into tron. Make sure you pick up your copies of Kozilek's Return from Oath of the Gatewatch™ :)
Looks like someone has never heard the phrases "bolt the bird" or "dies to bolt." Every creature in modern must either survive bolt, generate value before being bolted, trade tempo evenly with a bolt, or have a high enough benefit to outweigh the risk of being bolted.
Probably not but theoretically? Banning Twin allows other blue decks to be better, although most of them die to Tron.
I'm kinda excited to see what comes out of it but I wish Tron ate a ban too
God no I'm not that deep in mourning
Scapeshift maybe since it assrapes the eldrazi deck. Burn, Affinity, Infect remain tier 1 along Tron.
No one else gets better, literally every other deck is beaten 70-30% or worse by Tron.
idk I usually have an army of signal pests and skirges online by the time they have karn on the field after cracking expedition map and whatnot. Ensoul artifact on skirge is a nice feeling on a deck who's only removal is pyroclasm.
It's legit, the official Twitter for MTG said they posted it early to stop speculation of stuff over the weekend thanks to the MTGO beta leak of Twin and Bloom getting banned earlier today.
For me, I expected Summer Bloom to be banned for the reasons they stated.
Kinda surprised by Twin itself, and the logic they have behind it is a bit wonky. So you banned Twin because it doesn't promote deck diversity in Modern. So unban some stronger blue cards to try and pull players into Blue. There's no reason to play blue anymore in Modern for anything other than Snapcaster Mage, and if that's the only thing you have going for you, I'd rather be playing Affinity or GR Tron and just blow people out with how tuned their lists are.
If WotC wants to promote deck diversity then look at unbanning other cards on the list. Just pruning one or two cards from the top decks every 3-6 months will eventually turn Modern into a neutered, weak Extended format filled with nothing but Burn, Infect, Tron, and Midrange decks. Having stronger cards in the format creates tension on the metagame and lets people brew decks and pull the metagame into different directions as they react to what's strong and how to beat it.
But WotC doesn't know how they want to treat Modern, so they just throw shit at a dart board and see what gets hit with the ban/unban darts.
>Probably not but theoretically? Banning Twin allows other blue decks to be better
making other decks better is the reason they banned wild nacatl which didn't work out. If we don't get a new deck to take its place we could see twin getting unbanned later on.
If they wanted to promote deck diversity they would need to ban Blood Moon and unban some of the weaker cards on the list, like Sword of the Meek. As it stands, they don't seem to know what exactly they are doing.
This and edh are what I've been playing, haven't spent a dime on this game since they banned pod and I never plan on it. It's funny, because twin is the deck that I probably would have bought into had I continued playing for real. Glad I didn't, fuck WOTC.
>Summer Bloom wins the game too fast, okay, I get it
>Splinter Twin places consistently, which doesn't warrant a ban in and of itself, but it gets banned anyway
>Because fuck good decks, amirite
>Tron is apparently perfectly fine taking any colorless finisher printed and powering it out way ahead of the curve
>Turn 3 Batterskull
>WHOA THERE MOTHERFUCKER
>Turn 3 Karn
>Perfectly reasonable :^)
Blood Moon is fine, it's meant to be a deck that punishes greedy manabases. And because we don't have things like Wasteland or Stifle in Modern, Blood Moon is the next best thing.
I do agree with unbanning weaker cards though.
I meant Legacy, not Extended, my bad. I know the two aren't nearly as close in terms of power level, but when WotC announced Modern, they stated that it was (basically) intended to eventually replace Legacy as the premiere 'eternal' format.
Blood moon forces people to play red or get fucked, the exact opposite of deck diversity. If they want a "diverse format" then pigeon holing everyone into playing red for Blood Moon is the exact opposite of diverse. Whether Tron or the Eldrazi deck are running amok doesn't apply in the criteria they've stated.
Honestly this. This format is a fucking joke that's being overpoliced by wizards. You can't play control (Tron isn't control its bullshit ramp) , every last fucking combo gets banned out of the format first it was Thopter Sword, then Storm and then Pod, now Bloom and Twin get the axe, next it'll be Grishoalbrand. Probably the only one that won't hit the axe is Scapeshift just because it already was banned with Valakut banning. They basically force you to play aggro and midrange and it's retarded.
A package of good Dragon Shield/KMC/whatever-your-brand-is sleeves costs $12 (at most) plus $5 for perfect fits. 40 sleeves plus a spindown is a shit deal, regardless of whatever cards you can possibly open.
Is this still a thing? Was it ecer a thing? Will it be a thing?
I guess it is modern and you should have won by turn 4
>shitters whining about blood moon
The only thing Blood Moon is doing wrong is not being reprinted in every set.
Snipe it with discard, counter it, run enchantment removal, float mana off it, fucking ghost quarter your own land in response, there's a lot of counter play.
No, Blood Moon forces decks to think about what lands they fetch and to at least put a couple basics in their manabase so that they don't get left to rot with all their non-red spells in their hands.
Not to mention that any green or white-based deck has ways of dealing with it (Naturalize or Disenchant respectively, Abrupt Decay if you're a GBx deck). Blue decks always had a high basic land count due to Snapcaster Mage and Cryptic Command, and Black... Well, you never really get enchantment removal anyway, so deal with it.
G/B Predator Ooze brew
Ulvenwald Tracker for my Pred Oozes
>Aggro, Combo, or Control?
Kinda all three. I do hedge to combo and midrange though.
>Next MTG Purchase?
Not sure. Maybe some EDH stuff.
I am opposed to any new cards that make burn even better than it already is. I've killed too many people without even trying playing this deck, it's fucking horrible that it is top tier.
So if you were to go W/R hatebears to try and be able to run Blood Moon, what red cards would you use other than Blood Moon?
Running Bolt with Thalia seems like a pain in the ass
This ban isn't about creating a fun/diverse format, it's about making sure that they can show new cards on coverage at the protour. You ask for a modern protour and this is what you get.
Time to join the maindeck pithing needle club twinbros. Fuck Tron.
Tron player can just ghost quarter in response, or pop a land with his -1 and stop you from ever playing the bitch. There's many ways around it. Or
>he has wurmcoil out
>you tap out to play crumble
>pop one of his tron
>no answer to Wurmcoil taking you to value town
I'm expecting the Modern metagame to now shift to Tron vs. Affinity vs. Infect, with there being basically 0 reason to play white cards unless it's for Path to Exile or Restoration Angel.
If only there was a card that could help push decks into looking more at white... Something that you wouldn't mind seeing either in your opening hand or in a top deck war...
>You ask for a modern protour and this is what you get.
The morons who demanded a Pro Tour be switched from whatever to Modern should fucking die.
Fuck, forget it. This is just another distraction. Wizards has brilliantly built-in distractions that occur every couple months to deflect attention away from the fact that faggots are driving up prices of cards like Blackcleave Cliffs to $25 and Grove of the Burnwillows to $100.
Many of my decks have become 10x more valuable in the past year. It's fucking ridiculous. Without counting the lands Living End could be had for $40, the bulk of which was $5 Fulminators. Now look at it.
I guess now that my only bad matchups are gone, I can finally play eggs at 100% :)
They banned it because pretty much any URx deck was made better by the inclussion of the Twin combo. This is the same reason behind the banning of GSZ and Pod, because they lessened diversity in the format.
This has been WotC's intent from the beginning with Modern. It's supposed to be a format of brews that reward those who can succesfully predict the metagame without having a single deck dominate the format or a single card dominate an archetype.
She'll come back down in price, I'll complete my set, and my switch to Legacy will be complete. My playgroup just swaps their decks anyway, not like I'll suffer for only having one or two choices for what to pilot.
So I lose game 1 to Ugin, and sideboard in my Stony SIlences, LD spells, Pithing Needles, and Gaddok Teeg's for the next two games and just hate bears the ever living fuck out of Tron and beat them down with my 1/2 waifu.
What are, "Things you were implying for 500, Alex."
MY TIME HAS COME, PREPARE THY ANUS
And in doing so they handed Tron the format with its proverbial wrists tied to the bedpost and a ballgag in its mouth. Wizards is managing Modern into the fucking ground, it's failed in its goals and trying to force "diversity" by banning cards piecemeal will only exacerbate the problem.