>>44792499 >>44792628 These two (I know they're trilogies but I read them in Omnibus format so I consider them single books each) are tied for best, IMO.
But then, BL's best is several steps below any other fantasy or science fiction I've read, IMO. Dabnett and ADB are okay writers who take a really, really shallow but very cool setting and force it to approach the lowest bracket of good fantasy and science fiction.
I don't give a shit how many smug anime girls you post, here are some science fiction and fantasy authors I have read and consider good: Tolkien Pratchett Frank Herbert (though only Dune, Dune Messiah, and half of Children of Dune) Stephen Baxter Robert J. Sawyer Fritz Leiber Lovecraft Jules Verne H.G. Wells Neil Gaiman Mike Mignola
Shitty, spotty, incomplete list, but you get what I mean.
>>44793029 That's nice. I've read about three-quarters of those as well. But I don't read 40k books because they meet the qualifications of good fantasy or science fiction. I read them because they're 40k. And I like 40k. I would never even think to compare 40k to any of those because I know those would lose. They're not 40k. No, not even Dune.
>>44793029 I'm about to get shot here, but I'm actually not a huge fan of Tolkien's writing, I couldn't get past the first 50 pages of The Hobbit before quitting it. Then again, I wasn't a huge fan of the series in the first place. On another note, Frank Herbert's son Brian has teamed up with Frank Anderson for some good books as well.
>>44793136 That's the thing though, dude. I love 40k too. I admit its core is terribly put together but what has been done with it over its life as a franchise, that big amalgamated beast of pieces of visual artwork, White Dwarf articles, the rare good codex and BL fluff, the sheer weight of the number of artists and contributors over the years - enough carbon in a small enough area is gonna compress in some places amongst its mass into some blisteringly bright diamonds in a sea of fucking rough, but they're all the more precious for it.
>>44793188 Well, it kinda depends on what aspects of literary snob you care about. For instance, a book that makes the 40k setting feel more alive will earn higher marks from me than one that does not, but that might have had more memorable characters or a more interesting plot.
For instance, Death of Integrity is about two chapters clearing a space hulk because the AdMech asked them to. Nothing extremely innovative, but it answers all of the questions that come with space hulk exploration as well as extremely interesting lore related to the two chapters. Why are terminators used? Why do they go in with such a small number? Why don't they just blow it up? How do genestealers get inside? I consider it one of the best of the Space Marine Battle books not because of how exciting or how good the characters are written, but because it takes a more hard sci-fi approach to 40k and develops rational answers..
>>44793250 Many on /tg/ will agree with your stance on Tolkien's writing - I won't, however. It's good shit. I'm surprised you didn't like The Hobbit, it's the literary equivalent to wrapping up in a fuzzy blanket with your favourite drink and snack on hand.
Funny though, because I've heard Brian Herbert's approach to Dune embodies none of what I enjoyed about his father's.
>>44793316 That's what I want out of a 40k book. I love exploring Astartes Chapter cultures, I love world-building, I love the "how and why" of it.
That or something that takes a very poetic, mythic, gothic approach. When ADB writes something like: "The sound of The Eighth Legion at war is the sound of wolves and lions slaying another, while carrion birds circle and scream above". Stuff that turns my mental image into a Blanche painting or those hideously beautiful monochrome inkworks from the 3rd-5th ed codices - Karl Kopinski, I think?
I liked The Judges, In Their Hunger, by Dave Annandale and it got me excited to read more from him. Any other experiences with his BL stuff?
>>44793464 You can really get a feel for different BL author's work. ADB takes a much more fantasy approach to 40k, whereas Guy Haley (who wrote Death of Integrity) really pushes for harder sci-fi. Abnett tends to lean more towards contemporary, with modern speech and conveniences, whereas Chris Wraight is big on real world historical relations. McNeil likes to handle big events and use big words, and I personally feel the less 40k he writes, the better.
I found David Annandale's shorter works tend to be really good. He sadly had the misfortune of writing Damnation of Pythos, which fell into the unfortunate Horus Heresy category of really not having anything to do with the Horus Heresy.
>>44793250 It isn't exactly the writing style that's impressive about Tolkien's stuff. It's the fact that he created the history of a world from literally creation. It was a work of such scope and with so much detail that you can't help but be impressed.
Sure plenty of fantasy authors have created worlds and many explain how they came about, but he went into so much detail and tracked it all from start to present.
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