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This is not ok
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>>44738833
Looks fancy, but why would you have one outside of the novelty factor?
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I think its pretty awesome.
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I like it.
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>>44738833

This isn't just okay, it seem pretty great actually.
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>>44738877
>Looks fancy, but why would you have one outside of the novelty factor?
This is true of every single novelty chess board.
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>>44738833
True. You should be playing an unsolved game like baduk.
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>>44739187
>all that effort into the metal bits
>wood looks like utter shit

baka senpai
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>>44739187
If not for the low-quality wood, I'd buy that for a dollar.
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>>44739187

>valves and shit stapled everywhere

fucking cogfops.
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>>44739014
Unfair advantage: all his blood flow is going to his brain.
>inb4 that isn't how that works, you little shit
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>>44739187
Worse than futafags.
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>>44738833
Self balancing pieces in little cups built into the board is pretty neat.
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>>44739529
it would probably fetch two when sold for a scrap metal
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>>44738887
>>44738892
>>44738909

This makes quickly dragging a piece from one square to another impossible - you have to lift each piece and put it down, squarely in the center, or it will keep rocking and sliding in it's place.

Small thing, yes, I can see how this becomes infuriating very soon. Not unlike having sand in your shoes.
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>>44739742
You drag pieces over the board? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>44739742
You shove the piece into the square, it rolls around until it rights itself. This makes it easier, you'll also never accidentally knock a piece down or have to center a piece after your opponent places it to close to the edge.
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>>44739780
The pieces are supposed to have felt on the bottom.
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>>44739935
>life with a negative dex modifier
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>>44738833
But would I be less or more likely to have my pieces stolen?
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>>44739742
>Dragging your pieces
Picking them up and setting them down makes the "you can't change your move once you lift your hand up" so much more final.
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>>44740084
Dex is my dump stat, hence the chess.
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>>44740026
>glass
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>>44740118
Probably less, since they'd have to nab your board too or the pieces won't be very useful.
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>>44739187
I HAVE NO MOUTH, AND I MUST STEAM.
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>>44738833
I want to replace the pieces with weebls
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>>44740253
To each it's own. I don't need this faux gravitas, I just make moves.

>>44739935
>You shove the piece into the square, it rolls around until it rights itself.

Exactly. It rolls and rolls around instead of staying still immediately.
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>>44741027
>Exactly. It rolls and rolls around instead of staying still immediately.
Right but the trade off is that the pieces will almost never be accidentally knocked over, by you or someone else.
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>>44739187
>"steampunk"
>just a bunch of pipes and gauges everywhere
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>>44741173
It would be cool if they did something (or had the illusion of doing something)
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>>44741173
congrats you've discovered the alpha and omega of steampunk
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>>44739555
>>44741173
I know, it's as if they don't know that a good steampunk chess board, is just a well built and classy chess board perhaps with steel and copper pieces
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>>44740253
I've been playing chess for years and I still can't get used to the touch-move rule.
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>>44739648
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>>44739187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
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>>44738942
Chess isn't solved. If partially solved counts: so is Go.
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>>44738877
>>>44738833 (OP)
>Looks fancy, but why would you have one outside of the novelty factor?
To use at sea.
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>>44746708
Chess is a finite game, Go has several different scales. Go is only solved in small scales, and no Chess isn't "partially" solved.
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>>44746875
>muh computer chessmasters
Fuck of back to /g/.
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>>44746835
I'd take a flat metal board with magnet pieces over that shit.
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>>44746875
Chess is unsolved, in a mathematical sense, but is theoretically possible to solve. The issue is that it has somewhere around 10^43 legal positions, so calculating complete solutions is not feasible.

>>44746885
I should also point out that chess computers have consistently been beating grandmasters since at least 2005. Interest has been slowly fading since.
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>>44746885
Not him but chess really did get a lot into memorizing shit rather than just playing.
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>>44746964
This is how you play chess you dipshit. How about you go back to warhammer if you can't wrap your head around that?
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>>44746972
Woooow, defensive much?
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>>44739187
>no pressure
dropped
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>>44746972
I'll bet you lead with Two Knights Defense, you cancerous fuck.
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>>44746949
I dont think magnets were a really big thing back in in ye olde blackpowder cannon days.
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>>44747073
They had compasses, right?
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>>44747096
Yes but it was more often then not a dry compass for a very long time. And even during the Napoleonic wars they were still in use as the creation of a magnetized needle required learned individuals with the correct equipment, and somewhat pricey. Making a whole chess set that was magnetic would have been fucking expensive.
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>>44746835
That shit will fall over like a bitch at an actual storm at sea.
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>>44747142
Doubt sailors had time to play chess in a storm. Battendownthehatches and waht not.
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>>44747142
Boats tend to not stay perfectly level outside of storms though
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>>44747237
thats...thats the whole point of the set anon.
The pieces are weighted so they always stay upright. They will stay upright while the ship rocks around, preserving their positions on the board.
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>>44747282
That's what I was saying you silly-goose
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>>44746949
Strong enough magnets are an extremely modern invention.

>>44747142
In poor weather everything loose gets put away. You still need a solution for normal movement of the ship.
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>>44739973
But hearing the clack when you set the piece down is so satisfying.
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It's ok everyone, I've got another chess set we can play during the storm.
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>>44747476
>every piece has a long, hard peg jutting indecently from their bottom
>even the queen
LEWD.
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>>44747476
>all the holes are off-center
My autism is screaming.
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>>44746955
>Interest has been slowly fading since.

Among who exactly? Grandmasters losing to computers has zero effect on most chess players.
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>>44738833

I'll say. Giving odds as black? That's not how it's done.
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>>44741516

Play in tournaments and it'll develop real fast.
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>>44747547
Interest in man vs computer tournaments is fading since computers rarely lose this days.
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>>44747611

Not the guy you're responding to, but that's likely because of the disparity in general, not because it's computers on top. How many people were paying attention to M20 vs Bronstein, or Fischer vs Greenblatt; back when the grandmasters were effortlessly crushing the computers?
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>>44741027
I mean, it might rock a little, but you don't have to wait for the piece to be perfectly still before your opponent can take his turn. Put it in the space, move on, and it'll settle itself quickly.
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Chess is for stupid people with good memory wanting to feel smart it's really about who can memorize the most moves ahead of time.
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>>44747237
>>44747430
>>44747179
see >>44747476
you no-boat having sissies.
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>>44747526
But if they are all off center, they really are just defining the new norm, right? No need to get agitated.
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>>44747852
Fuck off 40kid.
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>>44747852
Memorize? What?
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>>44747852
Is this how you want to deal with it?
Instead of getting better at it, playing with people at your level or just focusing on different games, you gonna post here such silly opinions?
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>>44748026

Usual recommendation if you want to advance your skill is to play people who beat you about 3 games in 4.

Good enough to be better and you can imitate, but not so much better that you just get curbstomped.
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>>44740026
>>44747547
I want it.
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>>44738833
Seems like a good way to stop people from SETTING THEIR FUCKING DRINKS ON YOUR FUCKING CHESSBOARD! JESUS CHRIST!
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Are those pieces weighted? Looks like it'd be good for playing Chess in the car.
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I feel like I could probably beat a chess supercomputer.
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>>44750436
So can I, they're awful at so many things I'm able to do, I feel like there's an almost endless series of contests I'd easily beat them at.
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>>44739742
That gives me an idea for a chessboard whose pieces can "lock" into place so that sudden movement is unlikely to destabilize the board state.
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>>44750436
Then you're either an unparalleled genius or wrong, and statistics point toward the latter.
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>>44750468
Something more sophisticated than this?
>>44747476
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>>44750473

Or I just know how computers play chess and would deliberately play in a way to subvert it rather than just trying to play chess really really well.
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>>44750436
Anybody can, even a small child if you provide them with a nice sturdy bat.
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>>44750543
Pegs are good, but not enough. Add a twist mechanism so that up/down movement is restrained.

/tg/ - Chessboards and Engineering
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>>44750615
Those pegs are securely fitted, you can turn the board upside down and bang it against the palm of your hand without them falling out.
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>>44746875
Chess has not been solved, full stop. Now quit whining, faggot.
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>>44750554

People already do that. I think it might have been Kasparov that got into a big huff at playing in what he thought was a cunningly unpredictable and long term play, that the computer wouldn't deal with well, and the computer still beat him. He insisted it was another human.

Unfortunately, Chess is a game where it's not that hard to beat humans at, with sufficiently powerful computers. Considering half of chess is staring blankly at the board and calculating moves x places in, this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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>>44750554
That assumes you know the exact algorithm of the current chess supercomputer software, and that the programmers didn't expect that and put in safeguards, such as changing the algorithm for another at that time.

Also >>44750700
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>>44739187
The pieces themselves are actually well crafted, but what is even the hypothetical use of pressure pipes on a damn board?
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>>44749711
What manner of savage does that sort of thing?
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>>44750830
Because laziness.
I wouldn't be all that hard to make a steam powered mechanical automatic chessboard.
Have a little keyboard like thing that you punch in the co-ordinates of the piece you want to move, and where you want to move it to, and the the piece moves.
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>>44749711
Going to call bullshit.

That never happened.

Nobody would be that fucking savage.
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>>44750615
Why not just make them out of Lego?
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>>44740026
Seems like broken shards of glass covering the lower board is more liken to happen than broken pieces.
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>>44752253
I'm not an expert or anything, but I think you're playing chess wrong.
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Got an antique stone set at home. Will post pics when I get home.
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>>44747852
It's OK Anon, we were all wrong at one point in our lives too.
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>>44738833
+4 versus earhquake
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>>44750830
>The pieces themselves look well crafted
Probably because they're made from actual hardware and car parts.
At least, that's what it looks like.
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>>44744639
nice
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>>44750830
>what is even the hypothetical use of pressure pipes on a damn board?
jets of air manipulate the pieces to move
each game goes through an entire stack of punch cards to direct the airflow
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>>44753685
What airflow? There's a board in the way.
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>>44753786
hypothetical uses, anon
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>>44750729

The algorithms aren't *that* smart. Their power comes from being able to very quickly consult an absolutely enormous database of chess game records, identify board states that are similar to the current board state in the game it's actually playing, and then consider which moves tended to lead to victory in those situation.

So you spend the early game making nonsensical moves and trying not to die until the board state is so far off the rails that there isn't a record of it.

Then you start playing chess.
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>>44739187
I like the pieces but the "random pipes glued together" board is stupid.
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>>44753820
Even then, the number of punch cards required would be ludicrous, especially for moves that would require the movement of several pieces (e.g. knights jumping over other pieces).
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>>44753973
That's what Kasparov did against Blue.
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>>44753993
punch cards for knights would rocket them over the board in a trajectory that would avoid any pieces in the way obviously
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>>44754003

in 1 out of 12 games.
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>>44747852
Yeah basically.
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>>44751184
I'm that savage
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>>44754065
Meh, I'll stick to purchasing midgets and cramming them in my chess tables.
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>>44751038
>extra zeroes after decimal
So significant
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>>44751252
Because then you would have an ugly board.

I would suggest using a simple screw mechanism.
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>>44750830
Emergency table flip button.
Emergency checkmate button with valves for individual fields.
Get creative!
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>>44741173
some guy elsewhere in the thread complains about futa and I see this,

Damnit I've already masturbated twice today I can't be arsed to carry on this shit.
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Red goes faster than black
http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/ferrari-carbon-fiber-chess-set
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>>44756205
>>44753685
Yeah but there is obviously no mechanisms for that.
>>44753993
It would actually be surprisingly easy to make, and be pretty simple. At least to make a functioning electric version that appears to be a steam powered version. You just have to make a series of tracks that can move the pieces. And any square a piece is moved onto will automatically move any piece off of it.
The hard part would be machining it, but conceptually it's very simple.
Still lazy fuckers didn't even make it look like it could do that. They just slapped some gears on it.
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>>44757600
>lazy fuckers didn't even make it look like it could do that. They just slapped some gears on it.
Welcome to the reason for steampunk's popularity. It's the Apple of the fiction world; easy to stare at with a slack jaw.
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>>44747547
Noice. I've given some thought to crocheting a chess set, but the piece patterns I've seen so far are shite. Guess I'll just have to git gud and create my own.
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>>44756090
>Ugly
Do you hate fun?
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>>44751252
Amazon actually sells a set.
>>44756090
No, U.
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>>44739187
What does it do do the pieces move mechanicly or something
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>>44746835
Hm might work time for science
Well it would be if I had a boat and one of those boards
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>>44757377
Reminds me of the time I saw a ferari branded car key
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>>44762565
Wait does it not do anything at all just random valves and shit slaped on

Jesus Christ my how horrifying
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>>44761211

>one side is a peasant militia led by a fucking wizard vs. the King and his shiny army

That's fucking awesome.
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>>44757377
I don't even want to touch that board. I'm scared I'll smudge it.
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>>44750554
>>44753973
Is that you, Eduard Nemeth?
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>>44753973
This doesnt work. The database check is only to help the chess computer. I actually did heuristical board game algorithms in uni.

The computer has a massive advantage during the endgame even if he only uses a simple MiniMax algo with alphabeta pruning due to the reduced number of possible moves.

This is difficult during the opening which is why databases are used but as the game progresses and the game state gets simpler with each figure being removed from the game, the computer becomes better at playing the game even without databases.

If you want to beat a chess computer nowadays you would need to know its exact heurstical function which he uses to evaluate a board state and then find a flaw in this function and THEN find a way actually exploit it in a game.
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>>44763221
Pretty sure it's supposed to be an evil wizard and his mooks.
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>>44751252
>>44761211
>>44763221
Lego used to have new Chess sets every year some time ago.
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>>44746964
you're the worst
>>44753973
and you just don't know what you're talking about
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>>44747852
>Chess
>Memory

At intermediate/expert levels knowing some opening theory can certainly be a huge boon to your play, but it's not until you get to a master level that memorization becomes even remotely important.

>>44746875
Chess is "partially" solved. Endgame tablebases are fully solved for up to 7 pieces.
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>>44739501
Yeah, it's actually pretty fucking sad. It looks like whoever made it just lifted the wooden board from somewhere else.

Should've at least taken the time to sand, polish and oil that shit. Could've looked amazing.
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>>44768276
There were a few castle ones, I think 2 star wars ones, I remember a viking one too, but I'm not positive on that it might've been custom, but they were cool
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>>44739187
>doesn't even have gauges as clocks on the side

It's shit. Shiiiiiit!
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>>44772306
I don't even know what half those pieces DO and I still want to play that.
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>>44738833
You know, if I ever needed to teach someone about "human culture", like an alien or a human raised by ones, I'd probably start with chess.

>human concept of a game and rules
>abstract and iconic aesthetic with strong symmetry
>letters and number around board used as coordinates
>references to human history in figures
>easy to learn, hard to master
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>>44749711
>>44751184
>>44754221
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>>44772476
>using letters and numbers coordinates instead of proper chess notation
Stay pleb
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>>44772537
>proper chess notation makes no use of alphanumerical coordinates
pls explain, all the notation I've ever seen and used looks like
1. d4 d5
2. Nf3 Bf5
etc.
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>>44772306
Yeah, I'm gonna have to know more about that if you could, pretty please?
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>>44772737
That's Fairy Chess.
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>>44772748
how did I not know about this, thank you kind anon
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>>44772748
It could be fairy, or it could be one of the various historical forms.
Or, more likely, a set with enough variant pieces to *play* most of the variant historical forms.
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