MtG Modern General

>>44711474
This is the only correct answer. Although I would like to see second sunrise unbanned.

Ban summer's bloom and that's it, no other bans or unbans

>>44711560
Honestly I would prefer an SFM unban as the only change.

If I have to be realistic though I expect either nothing to happen or something from Amulet Bloom gets banned.

Sword of the Meek unban

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Guys I need some help. I need cards to use as tokens.
Should I use old 90's ridiculous baseball/football cards, anime girls, or little plastic goblin figures

>>44711614
>anime girls
Literally anything else than this and you should do just fine.

>>44711614
I like the baseball/football cards cause the other two seem too common. Also who wouldn't want those dude staring at your opponent.

>>44711614
Anime girls make people mad but you might seem creepy

>>44711582
Just ban Amulet of Vigor and kill the deck. The less comboshit in Modern the better.

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>>44711614
white boardered anime girls

>>44711560
Agreed, not sure what deck abused it anyway. Eggs? If it was eggs then hell no
Also thinking of Glimpse of Nature, that would create a combo deck at least more interesting than Amulet bloom

I'd personally like to see a restricted list in Legacy so you can bring back some of the cards that are only vintage playable, not Moxes/Lotus/Recall though

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>>44711779
>White bordered

>eldrazi costs 400 to build
AAAAHHHHH

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>>44711922
Shit time to cash in before this deck shits the bed.

>>44711614
ridiculous 90's anime goblin girls

>>44711922
>Affinity costs twice as much

>>44711874
threadly reminder that eggs did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG
unskilled pilots saw that it was cheap and capable of winning so they ruined tournaments with wasted time because they couldn't figure out how and when to combo
#omeletlivesmatter
#freesecondsunrise

>>44712127
Even good players took forever if they couldn't piece it together. I say keep that shit banned.

also
>implying most people at modern weekly's at LGS's aren't unskilled
>implying that low level tournament grinders aren't unskilled and just have a lot of free time and expendable money.

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>>44712127
Go play solitary elsewhere, Anon.

>>44712245
i can execute in 7-10 minutes, it's really just a problem with people thinking they know how to play the deck and not knowing when they've died
>>44712283
i like making people watch me play solitaire

>>44711590
>>44711604
>>44711582
>>44711560
>>44711474
>>44711746
>>44711874
>>44712127
Public notice: wizards is more okay with banning a card than unbinding a card as they
>have an idea for what the format should be like and the banned list is cards that don't fit their ideals
>don't test for modern

Ban all not basic lands for the trolololol's

>>44712624
>trolololol's
>Life begins after school
That's when we bend all the rules
Time to hang with all my friends
We like to be together
In a place where we belong!

I'm sixteen! Starting to find my way
Got a new job, gonna start at the mall today
Thank God I'm on my own for the first time
I'm sixteen! Life is sweet
When you're growing up so fast
You gotta make the good times last!

I'm sixteen, sixteen
Gotta make the good times last!

>>44711614
Nigga, use Ray Lewis.
No faggot ass nerd is gonna attack into a line of Ray Lewis.

can someone give me the ins and outs of Instant Reanimator?

>>44712828
loot
reanimate jizzlebrand
draw 7
cast nourishing shoal, exiling worldspine wurm
draw 7more again
draw 7 more again if you need to
you probably drew another worldspine wurm and nourishing shoal, so cast it
draw 7 more
draw 7 more again if you need to
you probably have boborygmos, ENRAGED and some simian spirit guides by now. exile a simian spirit guide and cast a faithless looting or whatever discard spell is available, and discard boborygmos, ENRAGED.
now cast goryo's vengeance to bring back boborygmos, ENRAGED and discard your lands to kill your opponent. you only need 7 lands at most, you probably drew that many.

congratulations, you win.

>>44712828
Plan a: You put griselbrand in your graveyard, activate him a bunch of times, chain nourishing shoal to activate him more, then use simian spirit guide/desperate ritual/splicing to through the breach or reanimate bobo and throw lands at your opponent.

Plan b: Breach worldspine

Plan c: random borborygmos and griselbrand shenanigans.

>>44712828
I can give you the ol' in out in out

>>44712899
goryo's for bobo is the back up plan, usually you use rituals to through the breach him out.

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>>44712946

>>44712899
>>44712919
i can't seem to find a good primer does any one have a list and the normal cost of the deck?

>>44713028
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=97564

That was bob's deck. He added blue recently, used to be just RB. I like the change, you get rid of some worse cantrips but loose the blood moon in the sideboard.

>>44711874
What would a restricted list bring to legacy? What would you have restricted in legacy?

>>44713246
Restricted lists are a trap. They work in Vintage because some cards are so rawly powerful that having more than one warps the game, and Vintage is the format that lets you play one of them. In Legacy, it would just get confusing, and also open up avenues for cheating.

Who death and taxes here? Summer Bloom match up feels so good.

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>>44711896
>thw I run white boarders whenever I can because of nostalgia
>tfw it literally triggers some people

>>44713779
I was thinking about building it as my first constructed deck on MTGO. did a few drafts then dropped it for a few weeks, sign in today and i suddenly have 2 thalias i don't remember having before.

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>>44713795
>slam down my white boardered blood moon against my Jund playing opponent
>he visibly twitches
gg

Is Izzet Charm good in Grixis? It counters lots of annoying things, kills weenies, and can cycle through your deck in a pinch(draw two cards then pitch two Think Twice to your yard for maximum VALUE).

At two mana it is right on time to stop bad things like Blood Moon, Choke, and Karn.

>>44712319
>i can execute in 7-10 minutes
>doesnt see this as a problem

>tfw no black PW oath

Couldn't we get ob making his own oath against the Mary sues?

>>44714036
It's alright. Izzet great? Not really. Probably your best charm for a control shell though.

Alternatively use mana leak and still answer each of those things just as easily. Your other modes are overcosted shock and overcosted looting.

>>44714215

Yeah, I figure as much. I'll give it a try though.

Kolaghan's Command and Cryptic Command are undoubtedly the best toolbox spells in UBR, but Izzet Charm doesn't seem terrible.

>>44713878
I'd like to do GW, but I lack Nobles. So I've stuck with mono white.

>>44714427

To clarify: I'm thinking about trying all three, I'm not cutting the really good ones obviously.

Ban Bood Moon

>>44714169
Oath of Lilly in a future set, perhaps. Maro said there would be a black oath, just not in OGW.

Oath of Nixilis totally should have happened though.

>>44714080
when my non-combo turns consist of playing a spell and knowing what turn number it is, i'd say i'm just squeezing the entire game in that 7 minutes

>>44714460
Koly Kolyghan is all the modal shock you need.
I'd only consider charm if you aren't using semen visions.

>>44714566
Yea, I hate bood moon

>>44714619

Oath of Nixilis would be him swearing revenge on the Gatewatch rather than joining them, would be pretty cool.

>>44714823
>>44714619
Nah probably be oath of sorin.

>>44711614
Michael Jackson trading cards.

>>44714823
Pff gay.

>>44714899
Probably this. White ruined Sorin.

>>44714780
Boo hoo

>44712299
YGO has tokens?

>>44714169
Oath of nixilis being an anti planeswalker oath would have been cool.

Threadly reminder that they need to unban Dread Return and Hypergenesis

Make Modern great again!

>>44715530
Yes

>>44715691
Really, lets just revisit torment. Return to the cabal fucking when.

>>44715225
Up your reading skills you pleb
He was clearly mocking the incorrect spelling

>>44715687
BBB
Enchantment
When ~ enters the battlefield, destroy target planeswalker.

At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy target planeswalker.

>FUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOUUUUU

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>>44715696
Just found out my LGS sells these, yikes.
Who buys these things

>>44715765
But anon that would make the person playing their ebin planeswalker superfriends deck sad that they can't use their awesome mythic cards that they bought with their moms credit card!! :(

If I wanted to get into reading about magic lore.. where would I start? What are some of the exicting novels or whatever?

Is it all about planeswalkers now? I think I would like to read about garruk and how he apparently got cursed?

>>44715863

Weatherlight Saga

>>44715765
Doesn't do shit vs Tron. Make it have Protection from Planeswalkers so it can at least survive Karn

>>44715765
What about BBB

Skip your draw phase. If you discard a card from your hand, remove that card from the game.
o: Pay 1 life to set aside the top card of your library. At the beginning of your next discard phase, put that card into your hand. Effects that prevent or redirect damage cannot be used to counter this loss of life.

>>44715791
wow that looks awful
like even art wise

>>44715765
When ~ enters the battlefield, destroy target planeswalker.
At the beginning of your upkeep/end step remove 1 loyalty counter from each planeswalker on the battlefield.

>>44715765
>artwork of Ob drowning Gideon in three inches of dirty water
>illustrated by Terese Nielson

>>44715906
Wow, skipping your draw step AND having to pay life to draw a card AT THE END OF YOUR TURN? Get the fuck outta here with your low power shit, is this fucking Ice Age block?

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>>44715909
It's like they scavenged some twelve-year old's deviant art profile for the art on these things.

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>>44715791
I'd use that

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>>44715991
thats awful
like
i didnt think it would get worse but it did

>>44715906
Sounds like a shitty bulk rare.

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>>44715999
I even like anime, but those tokens look like shit.

I just don't understand some people.

So are the prices fucked forever even if nothing is banned because "muh price memory"

>>44715974
I didn't know I needed that in my life

>>44716163
it might take a while for them to go down, maybe by april they'll go down. we need to see how the meta shifts to make any claims but odds are it'll be fucked for a good while

>>44716075
I'd use them BECAUSE they look like shit

they could technically print something like this, while still not breaking the reserved list right?

3UUU
Force of Memes
Instant
You may pay 1 life and remove a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Meme's cost.
Counter target spell.

or would this add too much counterspell to the fodder? i.e. decks will run 4x force of will and 4x force of memes

>>44716205
I never really understood the psyche-your-opponent strategy. Does it even work?

>>44716250
FoW is not even on the reserved list.

>>44716250
FoW isn't on the reserved list senpai

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:^)

>>44716350
Best engine

>>44716284
>does it work?
Only if your opponent is an autistic manchild. So most of the time I imagine.

>>44716350
That's cool but you should put a random 8th edition in there just to fuck with people.

>>44716250
8 FOW's would be interesting, i don't think all that many decks want 8 forces main. Even post board against combo I don't think you want more than 6. A hand of 2 land 4 forces doesn't actually sound good.

Expedition map or Ancient Stirrings for an aggro Eldrazi deck?

>>44716730
>Ancient Stirrings
Unless you're not going Green

>>44716762
I really want to run GB, I think it would fix most of the deck's problems. But people seem stuck on mono B.
I'm starting to think maybe I'm wrong

>>44716827
What do you get from Green that White doesn't give you? White gives you Lingering Souls and Path.

>>44717003
Well, keep in mind I'm not talking about the standard Eldrazi list with Stranglers and Blight Herders.
I'm talking about Mimic, Knot Seer and Reality Smasher. So it's not really a list concerned with exiling and processing, just abusing Eye and Temple to rush out big stuff.
So Ancient Stirrings would provide some vital fixing for when you don't draw parts of the engine in time, and that's the main reason why I want green.

>>44712319
7-10 minutes is a long time to watch you jerk off across the table.

What are t hose eldrazi list? are they meme? link plz?

>>44711922
>tfw got all the parts I needed for $50 just when the hype was starting up
>those same cards are now $200 and I have a full meme deck to play with
Hopping on the bandwagon pays off.

>>44711614
When one of the options is anime girls, never pick it.

>>44717236
For now, pure meme.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/651723-bw-eldrazi-processor

What are good sleeves? Is Hareruya good?

>>44717371
I love the idea of flickering the Eldrazi with Restoration Angels. Good idea? Bad idea?

>>44717451

That's reserved for another type of deck, not really the kind of deck you want a usual Eldrazi midrange/ramp to run

>>44717410
I haven't ever seen those in person but I hear they're fine. KMC Hyper Mattes and Dragon Shield Mattes are probably the best two sleeves available though.

>>44717451
Bad idea. Most are cast triggers so at most flickering just in taps them

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>>44717337
>that one guy that uses tokens with ahegao images

>>44717496
Good point. I've tried very hard to repress my disappointment with BfZ, and all of the cast triggers were the first memories to go. What garbage.

>>44717646
>put etb abilities on creatures
>creature gets countered
>complain
>wizards puts cast triggers instead
>can't flicker
>complain

>>44717451

Those are better as one-ofs in Emeria Control

>>44717764
Who complained about etb abilities here? Either you can't read or you're being a presumptuous little cunt.
>>44717794
Isn't Emeria Control every bit as meme as Eldrazi?

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>>44717593

>FNM Modern
>Somehow you made it to the top8 and head to the final round.
>Your opponent shuffles his deck and presents it to you to cut it.
>You see pic related as his sleeves.

What do?

>>44717371
Tidehollow Sculler is easily the best card in that deck. You see their hand, get rid of a card permanently because you can just process it which means your other guys are online, and get a 2/2 body. That's actually fucking INSANE value.

I'm still waiting for someone to realise that a repeatable source of processing + Scavenging Ooze is fucking hilarious.

>>44718073

Not really, if it was then the components would've spiked. It's tier 3 though but does well in FNM level.

Plus its actually fun

>>44718137
win

>>44718137
Since I'm a grill, I'd probably laugh to myself, and it would probably just end up making him uncomfortable.

>>44718137
Really it changes depending on who's playing them, whether or not I'm judging, and whether or not the store sells these sleeves or similar products. I'd be inclined to point it out if I was the judge since it might make other players uncomfortable.

>>44718137
Cum on it, then call him out for marked cards

>>44718137
Why should I give a shit? First off that's not even a picture of a real woman, and second I've played people in Japan who were using those cast-off double sleeve sets.

Step your game up, anon.

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>>44718276
>I'd be inclined to point it out if I was the judge since it might make other players uncomfortable.

Interestingly enough, I DID asked my FLGS owner about this very issue and he said that as long ass the sleeves don't show anything explicit (nipples or penises), it ok.

I shoul also add that his actual gaming space (which is located away from the store part) is members (read: THOSE GUYS)-only.

Nicest store I have ever been.

Also, I am that guy.

4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Brain Maggot
4 Wasteland Strangler
4 Mind Raker
4 Restoration Angel
4 Path to Exile
4 Cloudshift
4 Castigate

A list for fucking around. What's it missing aside from intelligence, a manabase, and good cards?

I think modern should have some more bans, summer bloom, blood moon, tron lands, splinter twin

And then simultaneously we should make modern no banlist a thing, it's really fun guys I swear

Buying playsets of all the original ravnica shocks have about half of them now. Gosh the foils are so expensive but I'm considering getting a few.

>>44718439
Come on nigger you should know by now that Thoughtseize/Inquisition go in all black decks. Also fuck off with Cloudshift as a 4 of and Castigate at all. Brain Maggot is possibly a bit weak just because the small body means a much slower clock than what Sculler gives you.

>>44718467
Infect: the format.

>>44718439

Seems weak to burn, figure out some plan against that

Does anyone else think the format is fine and doesn't need any bans? I'd be fine with some safe unbans like Sword of the Meek and Seething Song

>>44718467
>modern no banlist

Jace would become a $200 card

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>>44715906
so necropotence?

>>44718536

Which one?

>>44718137
Pff. Those sleeves don't even effect the board.

>>44718577

It's super effective !! agaisnt horny teenagers.

>>44718536
More like RAVAGER AFFINITY 2: CLAMP HARDER

THEY THOUGHT IT WAS BANNED

THEY WERE WRONG

>>44718511
TS/IoK don't exile, so it misses the point entirely. In BW Cloudshift dodges spot removal and re-uses ETB effects.
>>44718541
Blinking and repeatedly nabbing burn spells probably isn't good enough against Burn, that's true.

>>44718617
>can I read that?
>sure
>...
>cards on the other side man

Unban everything in Modern.

Reprint Force of Will

>>44718682
Sure they don't exile. THEY'RE STILL FUCKING INSANE ANYWAY YOU DUMB SHIT. Just because they don't fit the cute little theme doesn't mean they're not still some of the best black spells printed, period.

Also, Flickerwisp.

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>>44718677

I read that in that movie presenter's raspy voice.

What was his name?

>>44718763
George Lowe

>>44718467
Ban 1 card from every top tier deck so that the Tier 2+ decks become better.

>>44718710
Flickerwisp is half a card without flash. Running it without Vial should be a crime.

And if you reduce the amount of exile effects below a certain point it no longer makes sense to have processors be in the deck. The thought experiment has failed, BW D&T would just be better.

>>44718980
>Tier 2+ decks become better.

Which unbans would make T2 decks better?

>>44718980
Comments like this make me incredibly sad.

>>44718980
That isn't how tiers work though. If we ban everything in tier one then their just becomes a new tier one.

Give me one good reason why Abrupt Decay shouldn't be banned.

>>44719060
No you ban 1 card not every card in Tier 1.

Something like:
>Banned
Lightning Bolt
Karn
Cranial Plating
Summer Bloom
Become Immense

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>>44719100
Because it's a fair card

>>44719100
Because it doesn't hit Land Creatures ;^)

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>>44719100
BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE THE DCI LIVE.

>>44719113

I wish they banned ravager insted of plating because my casual-finity list only lacks ravagers to turn into a normal affinity, and I don't want to shell out 50 bucks a pop

>>44719113
Even then, either these make the decks worse and pushes them under tier 2 decks or does nothing. What do you do with the new tier one decks? Ban 1 card from any deck that becomes tier 1?

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>>44719174
Do it faggot. You'll thank me later.

>>44714460
So I experimented with izzet charms in my Jeskai control. They can be good and come out of nowhere and blindside people. I would run 1-2. It is powerful enough to do something and is versatile enough to matter but not strong enough to run more then 2. But those other guys are right, those commands are your bread and butter. Run like 3-4 of each.

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>>44719122

>>44719265
On what plane is 1:1 removal not fair?

>>44719229
Arcbound Ravager is cute. CUTE.

It's obvious that Modern is a busted format and Wizards just keeps banning stuff.

If cards are gonna get banned from every single good deck, and if a deck does well at a tournament it will get banned, why not just unban everything except for Skullclamp tier stuff and reprint Force of Will to keep the combos in check?

Wizards' idea of an eternal format without hard counters for 2 or less mana is a disaster, because it breaks the fundamental mathematics of the game.

>>44719294

It's arguably 1 for 2 or more because it blanks counter spells in their hand

Uncounterable was a good mechanic but hard removal is not the place for it

I don't think it should be banned im just saying its clearly in a league of its own, on the same level of other banned cards

>>44719311

Explain further about "fundamental mathematics"

>>44719257

That's what I was thinking, focus on Commands but run a couple Izzet Charms because like Mana Leak they zap almost everything early game at instant speed, and cycle later on as they become less relevant.

Just make No Reserve List Legacy a thing

>>44711474
This is the most likely scenario. Though, if it was up to me we'd see something like:

>Ban
Summer Bloom

>Unban
Sword of the Meek
Stoneforge Mystic

>>44719409

Some cards are on a functionally equivalent list like force of will

>>44719370
>It's arguably 1 for 2 or more because it blanks counter spells in their hand
They don't lose the counterspell, they get to use it on something else.

>>44712127
KCI does essentially the same thing but in a simpler fashion. Even an unskilled pilot can combo off with that deck without going to time.

>>44719370
>It's arguably 1 for 2 or more because it blanks counter spells in their hand
>on the same level of other banned cards
This has to be the stupidest thing I have seen on /tg/ in quite some time.

>>44719409
I don't like this. The format looks way less interesting without led, tabernacle and good duals

>>44719392

Modern is supposed to be a turn 4 format for "fair" decks, but combo, blitz aggro and tron dominate it, all of which can win or virtually win by turn 3. It's clear that Wizards will have to completely 100% ban decks that people have spent upwards of a grand on, in order to make this format actually Turn 4.

So why not just admit that it's a turn 3 format, and print the cards actually used by "fair" decks to beat the faster strategies instead?

>>44719294
I didn't post laughing superheros because Decay isn't a "fair" card. Nor do I think it should be banned because it's "unfair". I think it should be banned because it warps the format. Anything less than 3cmc had better either have hexproof/protection or replace itself, because otherwise Jund will fuck you in the ass.

>>44719518
>for "fair" decks
I don't remember them ever saying this.

>>44719617
Not that guy. I don't think they ever did, but it's not like I ever expected consistency anyway.

>>44719484

Whatever man

I exaggerated the 2 for 1 thing but I stand by my point that it's as centralizing as other banned cards

>>44719518

Gotcha

>>44719610
When using terms of art, use them correctly. Decay is a fair card. You pay 2 mana to kill something. Tendrils of Agony is an unfair card. You pay 4 mana to kill someone. Look at those cards side By side and tell me which one is doing something fair

>>44719649
>I stand by my point that it's as centralizing as other banned cards
I agree my man. I mean when someone Decays my Viscera Seer I know I am thinking to myself "God damn I wish he dropped a turn 3 Emrakul instead" since, clearly, a 2 mana and 2 color conditional removal spell is as good as every other cards on the banlist.

>>44719678
2 mana to kill anything is fine. It being uncounterable was completely unnecessary. It'd see heavy play without it.

>>44718682

Clouds shift is cool vs lightning bolt, I'm just worried about too many of your scullers and maggots dying and ruining your strategy of hand invasion

>>44719734

You're so funny dude, great job :^)

>>44719678
I told you already, I'm not discussing this in terms of "fairness". A card can be "fair" and still be a format-warping piece of bullshittery.

>>44719765
A lot of the time, decks that run Lightning Bolt play it because it gives them the reach they need to finish players off. If your opponent has to spend his Bolts dealing with Sculler, that's still a win for you. You basically paid 2 mana to counter his Bolt. And if he doesn't have removal for the Sculler or you process the card before he can remove it? Then the value is insane.

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>>44719805
>A card can be "fair" and still be a format-warping piece of bullshittery
You rang?
>"All you need to do is not build a greedy mana base!"
Yup, all every deck needs to do is accommodate the existence of this card. That's not the textbook definition of format warping in the least.

>>44719678

Tendrils of agony does nothing without an entire gameplay around it, that's fair in my opinion

I'm not saying I want decay banned but I always thought it was a bit of a slap in the face to give it uncounterable. I mean, a smother for nonland permanents is already damn good.

>>44719888
Tendrils is made fair by the existence of shit like Force of Will to disrupt the combo and Stifle to hit the storm trigger.

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>>44718137
Fap vigorously.

>>44719888
Skullclamp wont do shit in a deck without 1/1s. That doesn't make it less broken.

>>44719849

Now that I think about it, if your sculler trigger is on the stack and they bolt it to save bolt from being exiled, then you get to exile something different and they don't get it back ever, so actually it's pretty good vs creature removal

>>44719908
That's not how it works.

The existence of Flusterstorm does not make Storm a fair deck. Flusterstorm is simply a card that preys on unfair decks and is mediocre against the fair ones.

>>44719760
It's fine without it, but becomes amazing with it. Magic is about playing powerful cards.

>>44719888
Actually that's the definition of unfair Magic, you have a combination of cards that are bad else where but win the game on the spot when put together.

>>44719882

That's one way of looking at it, another would be to say that other options should exist to punish greedy mana bases, keeping them in balance, but this is all we have to work with

>>44719958

I'm making fun of your magic jargon

>>44719908
I found the guy who doesn't play legacy. If you keep a hand full of 1 for 1 counters, you're probably losing.

Storm is an unfair deck. It's not overpowered. These terms mean different things

>>44719906
Decay sees so much play because the answers in Modern are a lot worse than the threats and Decay is one of the best ways to deal with a threat.

>>44719882
Boo hoo
>rock needs a buff, paper needs a nerf. Scissors is fine.

>>44719993
I own an enjoy piloting Miracles. I brain farted and forgot fair/unfair have another meaning in Magic.

>>44718566
Modern without a banlist. Blazing Shoal Infect everywhere.

>>44719978
Not really, your using it incorrectly but outside of that I don't get it.

>>44720023
Hypergenesis is faster.

>>44720039

That's because you're a stupid elitist modern faggot who is close-minded and only understands your fagboy secret club meme language

>>44720023

I thought dredge would be most scary, but yeah blazing infect sounds scary

>>44720059
This. Chrome Mox makes Hypergenesis the single best deck in the format.

Im not familiar with Modern's meta at all.
Is Extort a viable deck to play?

>>44720120
no lol

>>44720120
Extort is not a viable deck nor is it a deck at all. What formats do you play already?

>>44720078
No, I'm a Magic player who likes being able to have discussions about the game using terms and having other people know what the mean

>>44720120

extort's pretty awkward, I don't recall anything with it being played right now

These days, Orzhov is either spamming tokens, or is exiling cards with Tidehollow Sculler then eating them with Wasteland Strangler(a new meme strategy).

>>44720152

Aka fagboy

>>44720199
Is it summer already?

>>44720215
It's summer all year round in the modern threads!

>>44720215
yes
you could say
summer's...in bloom

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>>44720247
L.L. Coolkid

>>44720148
I used to play standard pretty regularly with mixed results. EDH is my bag now because i like tinkering with deckbuilds without much restriction.

Back in RtR/Theros standard i ran an Extort/Bestow deck, pretty nasty stuff.

>>44720023
>people actually think blazing shoal infect is better than twin.
>twin, 2 card combo, turn 4, immune to sorcery speed removal, deciever exarch is useful besides the combo, twin also has minor applications with snapcaster, exarch taps a land making less susceptible to blowouts, opponent doesn't know weather or not you have the combo so the threat effectively destroys 1/2 lands, doesn't die to bolt or gutshot, can't be blocked (inkmoth nexus) doesn't die to land or artifact destruction.
Compare to blazing shoal
>turn 3 (2 barely ever happens), can leave mana up during the combo turn, can search for a piece during combo turn, more combo peices.
People keep on trying blazing infect in modern no ban list, but I haven't seen it top-8 once.

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>>44720318
Yeah, Modern is a lot more cutthroat and competitive.

>>44720365
Cause hypergenesis is just better

>>44720415
I don't think I've seen hypergenisis top 8 either (although I do think it's good), the only combo decks I've seen do well are storm and elves.
Hypergenesis isn't very comparable to blazing shoal, storm is though, and storm is definitely just better than shoal.

>>44720391
I was always an aggressive player anyway.

>>44720448
>>44720415
>>44720365
>>44720059
>>44720023

See guys?

Modern no ban list is a cool and balanced format with lots of viable and fun strategies!!!

>>44720365
>People keep on trying blazing infect in modern no ban list, but I haven't seen it top-8 once.
Look at mtgtop8 in the infect category for decks in 2012, it was rampant

>>44719882

Only problem with Blood Moon is that there is just that and Magus of the Moon, when there should be like 20 different cards that brick all nonbasic lands in various ways. Playing more than a couple nonbasics should be incredibly risky.

The least they could do is reprint Wasteland as a common in a Modern-legal set.

>>44720624
Because Wizards had forgotten when they wrote their preliminary banlist. It was rampant because it was the most broken thing left unbanned at the time, not because it is the most broken card on the list.

>>44720624
I was talking about recent modern no ban tournies, I know it saw play before it was banned.
>Look at mtgtop8 in the infect category for decks in 2012
You mean 2011? It was banned in september 2011 and 'rampant' is not a grand total of 2 decks in all of mtg top 8. It might have been rampant, but that does not prove it.

>>44720264
>doesn't say may
So you lose if you can't play that many lands?

>>44721000
>up to

>>44721000
>oracle text

>>44721013
Even if it didn't, you can fail to find in unknown zones

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>>44721050

How do you start xmage? I ran it with "java" (just java not javaw or javacpl or the dozens of others in the java folder) and a box comes up for a split second but otherwise nothing happens.

>>44721108
He is right, you know. This why Gists Ungiven can go and find only Unburial Rights and Griselbrand.

>>44719961
what's the worst can happen? 5c goodstuff? impliying that would be tier 1
it is only good to stop tron and amulet, and tron have enchantment hate on the sideboard

>>44711614
Weiss Schwarz cards

>gifts
I once played a 40 minute game (not match) against a gifts player with Restore Balance. Pretty great shit man

>>44721152
Its a powerful card against the right deck

>>44721148
>Gists Ungiven
What does this card do? Like give me the gist of it.

>>44721297
You got the gist. I can't give it to you though

>>44721134
help

>>44721297
he meant gifts ungiven. search your library for 4 cards with different names, opponent picks 2 to go to graveyard, other 2 go to hand. it was errata'd to say UP TO 4 cards because you can fail to find things in hidden zones. your opponent doesn't actually know that you've got more than 4 cards with different names in your deck

>>44721297
Tutors 4 cards at instant speed for 4 mana

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>>44721332
YOU MIGHT NOT WHEN YOURE PLAYING EGGS

>>44721297
>give me the gist of it
Impossible.

>>44721286
Imagine the oponnent don't know you have it
you drop it on g2, he scoops, then he will be fetching for basics on g3, making it not as bad as it should be, you loss anyway

>>44721411
What? They fetch basics so I lose?

>>44721447
If you need to get them off mana with moon and they arent, yes. if not, why are you playing moon?

>>44721297
tutors any creature in your deck or autosummons any creature in your deck for an additional 3W

>>44721134
>>44721318
help

>>44721297

Costs 3U, instant speed. Search your deck for up to four cards. Your opponent must choose two to go into your graveyard, the rest go into your hand.

[graveyard shenanigans intensifies]

>>44721731

Oh wait, to clarify:

the cards all have to have different names

>>44721530
You aren't boarding out all of your answers for 2-3 blood moons. You don't take in blood moon against decks that can run off basics, you bring it in if they can't effectively cast there spells on 2 basics

>all these idiots explaining what gifts ungiven does
I didn't think this place was literally full of autists

>>44721935
A couple people got my awful pun, but...

>>44712899
haha carpenter you so silly

>>44718558
You're stupid.
Hypergenesis is easily the most busted shit on the ban list. Skullclamp is probably second.

Blazing Shoal would push infect over the top. Artifact lands and Skullclamp would be nuts in affinity. 12 Post might replace tron as it seems more consistent. Ponder and Preordain (along with Rite of Flame) would make combo a lot stronger too. Storm would finally come back.

Jace isn't even close to being good enough in a theoretical 'no banlist' Modern format to warrant an increase in price.

>>44722247
>talking about modern no ban list without acknowledging no ban list tournies.
Your guesses were pretty good though.

>>44722370
I did a lot of theorycrafting about the banlist with some friends. I wasn't aware that there were tournaments for it though. I assume those are all unsanctioned right? I think it would require Wizards legitimizing the format before you would begin to see the prices of banlist cards effected.

>watch stream of no-ban-list modern
Oh wow it's even-shittier legacy because everyone plays 4 mental misstep

>>44722512
It's really weird how mental misstep ruins every format. Except vintage, which it makes way more interesting

>>44722473
>I assume those are all unsanctioned right?
Yeah.
>I did a lot of theorycrafting about the banlist with some friends.
Yeah, basically UR delver is probably the best deck (what everyone's forgetting about), miracles is surprisingly good, stoneblade is good, affinity is very good but gets hated on, blazing shoal and hypergenesis are overrated (though I still like hypergenesis), affinity is great but has hate and there are few hatebear decks and chalice decks, elves and storm are the good combo decks, dredge... is not very good, but exists.

>>44722247
I have a buddy who plays Legacy 12 post. It is way, way stronger than Tron. It powers out Eldrazi faster and the lifegain from Glimmerpost is backbreaking for Aggro and Midrange.

>>44721134

I just use the launcher, so not sure. Sorry man.

tfw snapcaster finally becomes a pivotal inclusion to your deck but you want the money

i should probably trade it instead

>>44722679
It's my favorite deck, i got to price of progress a 12 post player for 18 this week

Guys I need some suggestions.
2 Godless Shrine
3 Isolated Chapel
4 Marsh Flats
3 Plains
6 Swamp
2 Swarmyard
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Brain Maggot
1 Fleshbag Marauder
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Merciless Executioner
1 Oblivion Ring
4 Path to Exile
3 Ravenous Rats
1 Sin Collector
3 Sun Titan
4 Thoughtseize
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Wall of Omens
4 Wasteland Strangler
Sideboard:

2 Banishing Light
2 Felidar Cub
4 Journey to Nowhere
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Ravenous Rats
2 Silkwrap
3 Sin Collector

>>44712694
Fuck me for getting that reference. That show sucked

>>44722628
I am actually reasonably confident that, if nobanlist was made an official format, over time MM would be relegated to sideboard material. The card would be similar to Force of Will in Legacy, in that it is either used to protect your big threats or it stops your opponent from doing unfair things and winning. MM is significantly worse at protecting your threats than FoW (Bolt, Thoughtseize and Path are the only real pieces of removal that it stops) but stops a fair amount of unfair things (Loads of things in Infect and Storm off the top of my head) that would otherwise result in turn 2-3 wins.

The thing about FoW is that you often board it out when you aren't playing against combo. MM isn't card disadvantage but I think I still probably wouldn't want it against a huge number of decks in the format (Twin, Tron, Affinity, Jund, Merfolk, Burn, Eldrazi) and would only find it as 'decent' against a bunch of other decks (Grixis, Junk, 8Rack, Zoo, Company). There are very few decks that it flat out beats (Infect, Delver, Nivmagus Elemental, Boggles).

>>44722786
What the fuck am I even looking at here

Are Elves still a thing or what

>>44722979

The deck is still strong, but with the current Tron meta, its worst matchup, its going to lie low for a while

>>44713246
>Unban everything
>Restrict everything on the Vintage restricted list.
>Restrict everything on the Legacy banlist that isn't already restricted.
>Restrict Brainstorm, Tendrils of Agony, Show and Tell, Dread Return and Balustrade Spy

>>44723008
Brainstorm is restricted

>>44723008
>Restrict Tendrils
>a 1-of in a single deck archetype
I just don't get the logic

>>44723008
Wouldn't that just make legacy into vintage but worse? Why are you worried about balustrade spy? Why would tendrils need to be restricted? No one runs more than one anyway

>>44722886
>(Twin, Tron, Affinity, Jund, Merfolk, Burn, Eldrazi) (Grixis, Junk, 8Rack, Zoo, Company) (Infect, Delver, Nivmagus Elemental, Boggles)
Most of those aren't decks in modern no ban list.
4 Misteps aren't run in all decks anyway because they aren't good in most synergistic decks (affinity/combo decks) aren't played in chalice decks and are played less in countertop and hatebear decks (misstep is redundant with countertop and thalia/wingmare is bad with misstep) also not good with cascade (jund, hypergensis). Even with all that, when the ground settles there will still be decks which will play it as a 4 of main deck.

>>44723057
Oops all spells would just be worse than blue belcher. I'm trying to understand, but I just can't

>>44711614
>holofame
use those please

>>44720120
Modern is like this
T1 - play some rampy thing, or something to secure damage, like Goblin Guide, Elvish Mystic, Aether vial, Mox opal
T2 - dump your hand or do something bullshit, like spreading seas, Nettle Sentinel + heritage Druid, arcbound ravager, double Bolt
T3 - swing and win

Or its putting 2 cards together on t4 and instantly winning, stopping your opponent from playing anything forever while you hit them with bullshit creatures
Shitters please go. Your uninteractive, slow aggro decks are not modern decks. Go somewhere else.

>>44723008
>balustrade spy
Manaless Dredge concedes to leyline of the void and grafdiggers cage. I would maindeck 4 if it was ever legal in modern, but even then I doubt anyone would play that abomination

>>44719060
Almost everything Tier 2 is Tier 2 rather than Tier 1.5, just because it has an unwinnable match vs Tron.

Kill Tron and Tier 1 goes from 9 tp 16 decks.

How often does the legacy meta shift, apart from new cards being printed?

I tried googling this and didn't get anything useful so I'll ask you guys

If I have some little punk ass creature like soulmender and I enchant him with gift of immortality and I use a card to sack him, do I still gain life if I have gift of the sun magus when he and gift come back?

I'm making a homebrew deck that revolves around felidar sovereign because this seems like it could be a fun cheap deck to run. Also if anyone has any advice for ways to ramp this deck up a bit I'm all ears

>>44723228
It's pretty slow, the biggest changes are usually sideboard plans or metagame decisions

>>44722786
>Felidar Cub
???

>>44719506
It's the same format but Burn and Affinity are now good.

>>44723297
And delver is really bad

>>44723223
Seriously though, if you want to play a turn 1 combo deck in that environment blue belcher is just better. It's able to run 4-8 free counters and play the long game. Misstep being restricted would make sol ring, mana vault and most importantly expedition map more resilient

>>44723228
Legacy is different to modern
All of the viable, "tier 1" decks can win against each other. The "tier 2" decks often are stupidly powerful but get crushed by a certain sort of hate.
Despite Canadian Threshold being in a bad position and having bad matchups, it doesnt mean the matchup is unwinnable like in modern. Its not like playing Tokens vs Tron and thinking "there is no way, no matter what I draw, for me to win this". Thats why it is a top tier deck. It can beat everything, it will be difficult, but you can do it. You cant really hate it out, beating it and playing it is entirely skill based
Youre playing 12 post or Dredge? Good luck. You will have your free wins, but also your free losses. 12 post gets utterly raped by any Delver deck, any Stax deck. Dredge finds it hard to get around GY hate,obviously, and everyone Sideboards it.
There are meta shifts, but more often its like "hey, we found this card that utterly rapes this new bullshit deck". The current meta decks are Elves and shardless BUG

>>44723297
Land based control decks get worse, dredge and storm get worse. Delver gets worse, now burn is playable. It sounds like a much less interesting format.

>>44720108
Dredge is shit in Modern, stop listening to MaRo's bullshit.
>No Shade
>No Ichorid
>No Cabal Therapy
>No Bazaar
>No Cephalid Colisseum
>No LED

They could unban Dread Return, reprint Cabal Therapy and Modern Dredge would still be only Tier 2 at best because you're absolutely dependant on Narcomoeba luck and don't have the Ichorbeats side plan.

>>44723364
Thanks, I was wondering because I want to finish my legacy deck but I don't want a huge meta shift and then my 1.4k deck becomes unplayable. I would have bought it already but my car broke down so I have to deal with that
I picked storm because it was the cheapest tier-1 deck and I like combo decks and I already had the pieces for dredge so I could play them both at the same time.

>>44723258
Basically the simple way of asking this question, if it comes back from the graveyard, does it count as being cast or no?

>>44723364
The meta right now is storm, elves, death and taxes, grixis delver, reanimator, miracles and MUD. RUG delver is a little soft, but in a combo heavy meta its actually a really good idea. Its pretty open with a lot of room for innovation and metagame calls

>>44723226
As long as they don't mess with my Mono-U Tron i'm Fine

>>44723427
If it's a reanimate effect, no, it doesn't count as casting. Compare it to Yawg's Will, which says "You may cast card from your graveyard as if they were in your hand" or whatever the wording is.

>>44723258
No, staff of the sun Magus only triggers when you cast the spell. You arent casting soulmender or gift of immortaility. They have to be payed with mana from your hand or with a flashback ability.
Look into Soul Warden and Auriok Champion, Timely Reinforcements, Kiki Jiki Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angek

>>44722786
This is worse than BW Eldrazi, worse than Deadguy and worse than BW Midrange all at the same time.

>>44723413
Storm is really strong, it probably will be for a while. Generally the meta is open as hell, the only major changes are which deck is top dog. Storm can have trouble with miracles, but any deck can do well if it's piloted well. ANT does require a lot of metagame knowledge, which can make it a bit rough

>>44723516
I've been watching a lot of people play legacy and I kind of have a feel for the deck, it requires a lot of fucking math

>>44723501
The way you put them into play must explicitly state that you cast them for it to count as being cast. That's the simplest way of putting it I think. Gift does not say cast, it simply returns the creature and itself.

>>44723546
I have a friend who plays only storm, 3 modern storm decks and 2 legacy storm decks.
Instead of saying "do you want to play a game?" he says " do you want to watch me play with myself" with a wink. It really creeps me out

>>44723574
I play Dredge, I'm finishing storm and I play infect which is pretty close

>>44723413
Even if a new card comes to hate on you, there's so many cards you'll most likely find a viable sideboard option and get back on your feet.
Legacy truly is the best format for long-time players.

>>44723501
>>44723465
Thanks!

Currently this deck is a B/W deck that focuses on life gain combos like gift of immortality + vampiric rites/bubbling cauldron so I can just continually gain enough life to cast felidar and win

I know this would be better with mono white but truth be told I don't have the cards or the money, I mainly only play casual with some bros at work, every now and then I will stop by the comic book store across the street and play in draft tourneys

I want to make this deck on a budget, it doesn't need to compete with bullshit tier 1 blue decks or tron decks or some shit but I'd like this to be a decent build, I can post my current decklist if it helps

>>44723546
It does, but once you get the hang of it you don't need to count it all out. Its one of my main decks. It's a load of fun to go off. Also people play badly against it a lot.

>>44723611
Yeah I really can't wait to finish it, all I need are some LED's, 4 Rainforest, 2 Seas and 1 Island, which is most of the cost but I'll get the LEDs and Rainforests soon

>>44723460
I think the only Tier 2 deck that has a worse match vs UTron than against RGTron is 8Rack, everything esle has winnable games against it.

But yeah, RGTron needs to die or the format will never be anything but combos, hyper aggro and Jund/Junk. It's not worth playing other midrange, tempo or control decks as long as a large part of the meta has an opponent-board reset button, and RGTron has 12-15 of those.

>>44723597
The best format for long time players is clearly Vintage. If you had a Type 1 deck built five or seven years ago ago and then put it in a shelf because you kinda stopped playing the game for a while and now pick it up again you can still definitely compete with it. It might not be completely up to date, but no new cards are ever gonna be better than Power and Library and Sol Ring.

>>44723639
Fuck everything 8ED/9ED and most importantly fuck Tron. I would be really surprised if it dodged the axe (alongside Bloom and Moon).

Best way to shake up the format.

>>44723718
Combo decks are more interesting than a bunch a 3 color decks
If your deck cant deal with blood moon, too bad, git gud

>>44711474
>Kozilek's Return
>RIP Aggro decks edition

>>44723610
Lands
Evolving wilds x4
Swamp x4
Plains x4
Scoured barrens x4
Tainted fields x2
Mortuary mire x2
Rogues passage x2
Ghost quarter x1

Creatures
Soulmender x2
Accursed spirit x2
Child of night x2
Angel of renewal x1
Angelic skirmisher x1
Felidar sovereign x2
Dranas emissary x1
Oreskos sun guide x1
Insatiable harpy x1
Typhoid rats x1
Nyx fleece ram x1
Paragon of new dawns x1
Mardu woe reaper x1

Spells
Gift of immortality x1
Vampiric rites x2
Celestial flare x2
Ultimate price x2
Pressure point x2
Harsh sustenance x2
Font of vigor x1
Sorins thirst x1
Pharikas cure x1
Staff of the sun magus x1
Dictate of heliod x1
Mark of the vampire x1
Unmake x1
Riot control x1
Bubbling cauldron x1
Field of souls x1

>>44723783
>2

>>44723768
I play Affinity and want to play something non-linear for a change (and non-linear decks are choked by Tron). Blood Moon is just overall cancer.

>>44723642
Vintage is fun, but god I love resolving brainstorms

>>44723718
I hate Tron a lot too, but i doubt wizards will ban it. Hopefully they give something better than Crumble to put an end to this fotm shit

>>44723797
It's like Pyroclasm except it can be found with Stirrings. Do you realize how fucked up this is? Also pierces creaturelands and Forge-Tender as bonuses.

>>44723873
Like its good but its not gunna kill aggro. I might throw it in tron because i hate etched champion

>>44723869
Crumble was meant to be ammo for the DCI to show that Tron is overpowered. "Even the ultimate hate card doesn't keep it in check".

It was a plant all along.

>>44723885
Tron I mean twin
sorry im tired

>>44723873

Its like Pyroclasm except it doesn't do exactly what you need Pyroclasm to do. Putting more text on a card doesn't make it more powerful.

If you're fetching KR off of Stirrings you've pretty much already lost because you either

A) are desperate for it T1, and dead anyways because it won't go down until T3
B) have absolutely nothing going for you in your game plan vs Burn, and are going to lose shortly.

If you're going to wipe vs Burn, you have to either stop the bleeding immediately or turn the tide. Killing a Guide and Eidolon doesn't win the game vs Burn, you have to actually stabilize.

>>44723869
We'd need Wasteland itself, it's what keeps 12Post in check in Legacy.

Stone Rain, Blood Moon, Rain of Tears and now Crumble to Dust are all legal and didn't stop it at all. Tectonic does literally notthing against T3 Karn, GQ + Surgical Extraction is so sad anyone who does that needs a kitten and an ice cream before they kill themselves.

Wasteland or ban.

>>44723911

Crumble is a fucking 4 mana Sorcery in Red. How the Hell is it going to realistically help you vs Tron when Slaughter Games and Surgical are already format boogymen?

>>44724212

>gq and surgical a tron piece
>they scoop

ayyyyy

>>44724171
The point isn't that it stops Burn, it doesn't, Burn is still unwinable for Tron and the hero of the format for keeping them the fuck down.

Kozilek's Return reads: "This match was 80-20%, now it's 100-0%" for Tokens, Junk and Jund, and "This match was fair but not anymore, now pick your shit and stop wasting my time you filthy loser" for Merfolk, Elves, CoCo, Delver and Affinity.

I don't believe we'll see the format devolve into Tron vs Burn vs Delver vs Eldrazi but having two opressive decks that shit on everything exept Burn and Twin because they can play cards way ahead of the curve is not gonna be fun.

>>44724281
>Goldfishing for 2 sideboard cards that don't do much vs anyone else.
>You need them both on turn 2.

ayy indeed.

>>44715974
It should be Phil Foglio.

>>44724301

>"This match was 80-20%, now it's 100-0%" for Tokens, Junk and Jund

What the fuck does KR do that Pyro doesn't vs tokens and Jund/k? Putting more text on a card doesn't make it more powerful, and the extra mana cost will cause it to come out late in the matchups that Pyro actually shores up.

Why are the people who bitch about Tron so bad at it/know essentially zero about how it works?

Promo or Zendikar for lotus cobra?

>>44715687
Wouldn't work flavourfully though as all Oaths printed from now on will specifically be the oaths sworn as Planeswalkers join the Gatewatch.

>>44724212
12 post is kept in check by getting wrecked by delver and combo

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>Newzilek allows dumping lands to counter your Hive Mind-copies pacts
>Bloom player can't do shit about it
>Burn/Infect never gets another spell through since you can dump extra eggs and scryings
>mfw
>>44724212
Surgical also destroys most combo, when timed right, that doesn't play Leyline in side and Ghost also does work against Bloom and Inkmoth.

>>44720448
>I don't think I've seen hypergenisis top 8 either
because its banning predates the format, you mong

>>44724795
Read the reply chain, idiot.

>>44724795
They were talking about no banlist-Moden, you monglord.

Is the Modern Event Deck worth investing in?

>>44723610
>cast felidar and win
Surely you mean "cast felidar, cross my fingers that no one aims a doom blade at it until my next upkeep and win"

What is this "Eggs" that I keep hearing about?

>>44724873
>modern
>Doom blade

>>44724869
If you can get it for RRP, then the IoKs alone will get you your money back. Fat chance on it, though.

>>44724914
As in "any generic kill spell"

>>44724889
An combo deck that was banned for taking absurd amounts of time to go off. It has been resurrected, but it's really KCI.dec that all the Eggs players call Eggs because the combo is kinda sort of similar.

>>44724933
Its going for $100 everywhere.
Just wondering if its worth getting for any more potential spikes.

>>44724933
>the IoKs alone will get you your money back
Feels good to have been playing this game for long enopugh that I have several of them lying around from since ROE was the new hot shit.

>>44724971
IoK will never get a reprint in a standard legal set, so if you're into getting them you're either getting the event deck or hoping for MM reprints. The event deck is not playable out of the box, however, it's a pretty shit product in and of itself.

>>44725011
Tell me about it. I bought my Tron deck a few years ago for about 1/3-1/2 what it is now

>>44724301
Since when has tron become so hated? It has terrible matchups against fast aggro, affinity, and fast combo decks and an unfavorable match up against twin. Why are people crying for a tron ban when half the meta can counter it?

>>44725226
If Tron is so bad then why is it still topping?

>>44725262
Is it even topping? I remember it getting a single top 8 but not much else in terms of large tournaments recently. That's not worth hating.

>>44725226

RG Tron is for brain dead people. It's the deck of choice for retards who want to play MtG but don't have any patience. They can win all they want; the deck is still dumb as shit

>>44725262
Tron does well, it's a good deck, but the results it puts up and its percentage of the meta are well within tolerances for a tier 1 deck. It wins the occasional open/GP, reliably makes top 8 numbers, and so on, but it's hardly oppressive. People, especially in this thread, just have no ability to think outside of their own decks and matchups. Tron fucks you? Bullshit. Your deck fucks other decks? lol get gud scrub. I'm a Tron player and for every bullshit turn 3 karn insta win game I have, there are as many bullshit rekt before I even get tron online games. And most are just regular back-and-forth, could-go-either-way games that come down to skill and meta knowledge. I try to be mindful of it be aware that every time something bad happens to me in a game of magic it's not always the result of a broken format.

>>44725294
Its literally topping every weekend, last weekend it was top 16.

>>44725311
>>44725337
>>44725344
Is it good enough to get banned though? Its not very oppressive and it doesn't restrict design space in a significant way, although it does make matchups for midrange decks much worse but tron alone isn't enough to keep midrange from being viable.

>>44725457
Despite all the banlist boogeyman stuff these threads circlejerk over, they actually have only 3 really solid reasons to ban a deck.

1. Logistical reasons. If it requires physical dexterity, or takes to long to resolve, then it's banned. Like eggs.
2. If it reliably combos off and wins before turn 4. Modern was intended to be a turn 4 format, so decks that reliably win the game before turn 4 can be banned, or otherwise nerfed. Tron can get turn 3 urzatron + karn/wurmcoil engine, but despite what people say that doesn't = immediate win.
3. If it is too successful. If a deck takes up too much of the meta, or too many results, like pod did, it'll get the axe. Tron doesn't do any of that.

Basically, there's not really any way tron gets banned any time soon.

>>44725506
So much this.

>>44725457
>Dosen't restrict design space
Yes it fucking does, when literally any colorless card thats 6 mana or higher makes the deck stronger.

>Leonin Arbiter on the field
>Ghost Quarter an opponent's land
>Opponent pays 2 to ignore Leonin Arbiter
>Passes priority
>Flash in Restoration Angel targeting Leonin Arbiter
>Arbiter flickers and is considered a new object
>Opponent has to pay 2 again or stop searching
Remind me why everyone doesn't play this beautifully dickish deck again?

>>44725585
... because christmas only comes 1 day out of 365?

>>44725571
You can't just stick in any colorless strong colorless card into tron and expect it to work like you could with pod. Plus there aren't many other good decks that use high cost colorless cards where there were many other decks that a strong low cost white/black/green card could benefit but would make pod too strong.