Are there other social justice classes? We have the Social Justice Warrior, who ignores all outside input and attacks people blindly, but what role do the other classes hold?
Is the SJCleric the one that adds onto someone else's argument and agrees with the warrior? Is the SJRogue the one that silently reports pages? Is the SJPaladin the one that constantly justifies their shitty behaviour in the name of Social Justice? What's the role of a SJ Ranger? I can't even bear to mind the abilities of a social justice Bard
Do they all have negative points in Charisma?
The Social Justice Necromancer constantly resurrects dead arguments and brings back shit that happened a long, long time in the past, using it as evidence society is unjust today.
The Social Justice Bard is that person who pretends to be ludicrously progressive to a fault, often being offended on behalf of others even when what they're saying is itself offensive, and vehemently sings the praises of the ideology in hopes of earning brownie points, either to assuage their own sense of guilt or (especially in radical feminism's case) to pretentiously appeal to women who are enamored with that dogma.
The Social Justice Druid is trans-anything. Rather than an actual misstep of birth which causes their brains to desire and fail to receive the proper amount of certain hormones, leading to horrific dysphoria, they instead assert that their gender is... just about whatever they feel like. Maybe it's a mundane animal like a fox, or mythological creature like a dragon, or perhaps even a star - it can even be a bagel. They can also switch this gender on the fly, if they so choose. Maybe it's not their gender, maybe it's that they've inherited the soul of such a thing. And they demand you acknowledge that they are such an amalgam, a random thing trapped in the body of a human, and if you don't recognize that immediately, you are contributing to the systemic oppression of them.
We're not whining about SJW, we're laughing at them. Learn the difference.
Reminder that /tg/ is actually one of the more SJW boards, as well. Granted, that's not saying much.
Now now, let's not go down this path.
>people that whine endlessly about SJWS
>some guy screaming about syrians
That's some pretty hardcore false-equivalence, lol.
You know what the worst of the worst is? The people who complain about people complaining about complaining. It's like they're completely blind to the fact that they're merely adding another link to the chain and becoming what they detest.
The runner-ups are those who complain about complaining about complaining about complaining.
Basically what I'm trying to say is pic related.
Listen up, anon.
You can root for diversity, be against discrimination towards people of certain races, groups or cultures, and overall be invested in social justice issues without being a social justice warrior.
You can be against discrimination towards minorities without being a complete dipshit and treating people who disagree with you as subhumans. "Social Justice Warrior" is a term that was originally coined by tumblr users to refer to people who were so far into the faggot scale that they became parodies of themselves.
It's why SJWs are an issue for everyone involved: they advocate for real causes that need actual support but blow it out of proportion and it backfires horribly.
>complaining about complaining about complaining about complaining about complaining
wow fAm you're just as bad as they are
>they sound like si-
>The runner-ups are those who complain about complaining about complaining about complaining.
Haha, already caught it, motherfucker!
Except the most bigoted people *are* SJW. Go ahead. Look what happen when a black, latino, gay or trans person go "I disagree with you people". See how long their supposed veener of niceness and acceptance holds up.
SJW are middle to upper class white people, most of them hipsters, who are basically allowed to be bigots, bullies and general assholes but can get away with it as long as they're allowed to take whatever group society deem opressed and shove them in front of them as somekind of protective barrier. They also defend pedophile and rapists, amongst other things, the former because it's just supposedly an alternate sexuality and the latter because it's 'okay to rape people of a certain group because when they get raped, we redefined it as not beign rape'.
What they've done has basically fucked the so-called left and liberalism beyond repair to the point that people who would have been deemed socially progressive 10 years ago are now reviled as basically beign on par with /pol/lacks because no one is ever progressive enough.
They're also hipster parasites who demand things they don't like to change but that is another topic for another time.
>Wizards, it is widely understood, have No Sense of Right And Wrong
>SJWs, in contrast, are so hypersensitive to Right And Wrong that they often end up doing Wrong in pursuit of what is Right
So then what would a Social Justice Wizard be? Could such a creature even exist?
Gee I wonder who could be behind those posts.
SJWizards are the people who are playing all the other SJWs. They aren't true believers, and they don't want to affect any change. All they want is LODSEMONE and a chance to get their name out.
Impressive skills you've been honing over on tumblr, m80.
Not only is it not black and white as you'd like to imagine, but the more you try and cast it as such, the more people neutral or otherwise generally agreeing with you you shove away.
Polarizing is only good for magnets, m8.
That's like saying islamists are excused for their actions because there are other religious nutters out there. The existence of multiple flavors of crazy do not invalidate or justify a specific form of insanity.
>Im not sure which are worse, SJW or people that whine endlessly about them
The people who whine about them. I know there are some ridiculous SJW types out there, but I almost never encounter their shit, and when I do, it's normally because some MRA-type is shoving it in my face. The anti-SJW whining is pretty much constant, however.
Big day for /pol/ invading other boards. Is there any reason you guys are more uppity than usual. Usually there isn't more than 1 obvious bait from /pol/ on the board at the same time
>anyone who disagree or dislike hypocritical regressives is a neo-nazi
>Thread about muh SJW boogeyman from post 1 isn't bait
I don't mind threads like these to be honest. I enjoy reading peoples reactions to the crazy antics of SJW's, whether they are for- or against the movement as a whole.
Though I'm not quite sure what any of this has to do with /tg/ Unless we're being all philosophical and are calling the 'battle of the genders' the ultimate traditional game since its been played since forever
What about a social justice inquisitor, wouldn't that be the ultimate aim for most of them? Being able to sentence big groups of non-believers to death through cleansing fore and all that.
Both extremist sides are immensely retarded. /pol/ is just as stupid as tumblr sometimes. Minor issues exist, but they don't need as much attention as people try to male them look like.
Only advantage pol has is that it is MEANT to be politically incorrect.
They literally are by definition: shitpost, the board.
Pictures like these are amazing, and not only because they're funny but because they describe the backbone of all of progressivism. It all relies on ignorance. Multiculturalists love to believe that they're being respectful to other cultures, but in fact the're erasing all cultural identiteis (Western ones first and foremost) and degrade other cultures to just being a few outlandish customs in hopes of reaching a world where everyone can just sing campfire songs and be happy.
Nobody who actually overcomes his own cultural provincialism and bothers to actually learn about cultures will become a multiculturalist. If you believe everyone is entitled to their own culture, you will discover that many cultural values are downright incompatible and preserving all cultures (rather than trying to destroy them through enforced multiculturalism) is the solution. If you're a cultural supremacist or believe in the superiority of a certain moral system, your evangelizing logically means the end of certain cultures. This is why many Middle Eastern countries oppose the UN: many of its 'universal' values are deemed too Western and incompatible with Islamic values. And they are right.
In short: multiculturalism is a delusion that can only be maintained by the most ignorant and culturally provincial of people. And yet these are the very same people that run our countries.
>many of its 'universal' values are deemed too Western and incompatible with Islamic values
Yes, yes. Let's ignore that the majority of all countries in the region are dictatorships first and foremost and that even democracies like Germany and the US have issues with some of the crap the UN's pushing.
SJ rangers release the cats. Or their service dog packs they take with them wherever they go because muh trauma.
You really should read something that ain't /r9k/ or people who agree with them.
Is this an example of a SJnecromancer?
>uses people they hate to do their bidding
>the summoned group is brain dead and lacks their own will and thoughts
Ironically for you, Niger and Nigeria are two different places. Not that Nigeria is free of SJW controversy (like the Russians setting up Niggaz as a company).
>Let's ignore that the majority of all countries in the region are dictatorships first and foremost
Remember what happened when the Shah was deposed in Iran? Or Saddam in Iraq? Surely they flourished into prosperous democracies. Oh wait, they devolved into theocratic shitholes. With regimes in the Middle East, "the devil you know" is the best policy. Why we're not supporting Assad is beyond me.
>and that even democracies like Germany and the US have issues with some of the crap the UN's pushing
So? What does this change?
I like that.
>we're so underrepresented in video games
>gib monies so we can keep complaining about it professionally
>we're just as oppressed as people being raped, mutilated, and doused with acid for going to school
It's really hard to take them seriously when this pretty much is their mindset.
At least put some effort into your bait next time. Literally posting a thread saying "guys let's complain- I mean LAUGH about SJWs!" is very low quality. Please work on your technique.
So, it exists to describe a very real kind of person that no one in their right mind would want associated with them.
You see, you're equating blatant racism with disliking SJWs. I'm sure you can understand where you've gone wrong here, I'm sure you won't make the same mistake again... right?
Given the lives they've ruined via their ends-justify-the-means bullshit and their tellingly selective hatred of free speech, I don't think it's uncouth to endlessly criticise SJWs.
Social Justice Inquisitors are probably what you'd call SJWs that are in positions of power and influence both in the real world and online. They're the ones that can effortlessly form torch-and-pitchfork-wielding mobs and organize the public flogging of heretics.
>With regimes in the Middle East, "the devil you know" is the best policy. Why we're not supporting Assad is beyond me.
Yeah this always works out well for us and has never backfire--oh, no, no wait.
I agree with a lot of what has been said in there. Though I disagree about most of the usually proposed solutions. But again, on 4chan, I get labelled as a SJW right away, so, heh.
Not gay, but definitely faggots.
Considering I've been called an SJW and to "Go back to tumblr" for DARING TO BE AS CALLOUS as to ask someone to stop making rape jokes at a table I get the feeling both sides here and doing some gratuitous cherry picking.
/tg/ reference in the first post.
Does he dwell among us?
Well, that doesn't mean he can't be respectful to women. I mean, pretty much all my interaction with guys I respect is banter, crass jokes, and posturing. Doesn't mean I don't respect their achievements or don't treat them as persons. Of course, women generally don't interact with others in that way, but you can flirt and tease without reducing somebody to a piece of meat.
>people are hanging out here to engage in a recreational activity for fun
>do not inhibit the fun
>this means don't be a teamkilling asshole unless the group's okay with that kind of thing
>this means don't make jokes that make other people uncomfortable
>there are (some would say subtle) rules to social interaction, and these govern seniority and precedence. Frequently if two oppose each other on an issue, the aggrieved party with the most ties to the rest of the group is considered the superior one whose concerns are valued over the others.
>If someone is ruining the fun for other people, ejecting them from the group is a common and fairly frequently implemented solution. This might be someone who brings what are perceived as unnecessary limitations to the rest of the group (Don't tell those jokes, they offend me) or someone who is perceived as behaving improperly (Want to hear another joke about how much I hate asians? Yeah, I know nobody cares and it isn't relevant)
This isn't exactly complicated stuff.... Most adults are kind of expected to reach a minimum level of proficiency to be functional.
There's a difference between being respectful, and being censored.
I'm not going to go up to a friend with a dead parent and make a "yo mama" joke, but I'm also not going to never ever mention a dead parent, or never put on a movie with that or something.
I'll certainly be respectful but I'm not going to act like nothing bad happens in the world, and that jokes aren't the only way to make it better.
>Why we're not supporting Assad is beyond me.
Because Assad failed to contain domestic discontent, failed to contain early uprisings, allowed the Islamist groups to flourish by focusing heavily on factionalized secular groups for easy victories, failed the PR war against people openly advocating for genocide, beheadings, and a 14th century lifestyle, couldn't get his allies, including a country more or less run by Syria, to significantly intervene until after he'd suffered major losses to the point that now, despite being mainlined money and equipment from Iran and Russia and supported by Shiite militias, Iranian special forces, Hezbollah infantry, and Russian air support, he can't manage a sustained assault or large-scale territory capture.
Jokes hurt. Life hurts. Lots of things hurt.
I'll apologize if I actually hurt someone, and I'll mean it too. But I'm not going to live my life walking on eggshells because someone, somewhere, might have had a shitty time.
Also, that guy was right: intentionally telling a joke to bother someone, and accidentally bothering someone with a joke are two different things.
The main issue with SJ Ws isn't even what they stand for; it's the intensity with which they push their talking points. On paper, at its core, it's difficult to find anything wrong with the notion that people should be more respectful of one another, and that society could stand to be a little more tolerant, in general. Hell, I'll bet most of us would all agree with that, were it presented in those terms, and if that's all it amounted to.
But as it gained a larger following, the group became more susceptible to extremists and bigots. More and more, it became less about "let's be more respectful towards one another" and more about "group X is responsible for the problems of group Y, and that means group X is the enemy."
Echo chambers breed extremism, no matter who makes up those echo chambers. And the various groups who make up the social justice umbrella are some of the tightest echo chambers in the world today. Hell, if I knew someone could lose their career and be labelled a bigot by openly disagreeing with me, I'd sure as shit be less likely to change my viewpoint. I'd dig in my heels and savor the fact that my society was on my side.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but that's why I don't like the social justice movement, the feminist movement, or anything that falls within that umbrella. What I described above is exactly what's happened to them. I'm a firm believer that many of the people who make up those groups do, in their own way, want to change the world for the better, and don't have a racist or sexist bone in their bodies. But the movements themselves are both racist and sexist, because of how extremists and bigots have warped then over the years, and because reasonable, moderately-minded people didn't nip them in the bud years ago.
>ailed to contain early uprisings, allowed the Islamist groups to flourish by focusing heavily on factionalized secular groups for easy victories
That was mostly to ensure that the secular groups didn't exist for western powers to try and support.
Quite competent, in his own interests.
There are already actual SJWs calling themselves Social Justice Bards and Social Justice Wizards and Social Justice Clerics unironically. I have seen them. I have interacted with them.
We don't need more of that.
At some point, though, I have to take a stronger stand against it even in my own social circle, because they leak into so many others.
Like here, on 4chan. All I want is a place where I don't have to get their beliefs pushed at me. One place. But they can't even give me that anymore.
I'm throwing up in my own mouth. Tell your tale.
Yea which is why when someone says "Hey dude can you not make blatant jokes about this uncomfortable subject?" you fucking do so and drop it instead of trying to be mister internet tough cool guy.
If you accidentally bothered someone and they tell you so apologize and move on. If they keep bringing it up or want you to fucking prostrate then tell them to fuck off but getting offended cause SOMEONE ELSE is offended is the epitome of faggotry.
For me, it's about recognizing the social situation. I don't make jokes about sensitive topics unless I'm in an environment where they're the norm, like with close friends. If I were at a FLGS that had that type of humor as the accepted norm, I'd join in. But the one I go to doesn't, so I don't.
It's about respecting the norms of the group you join. If you don't like it, then leave and make your own. Don't force the group to change to suit your tastes.
I make off-color jokes and say dumb shit sometimes, but man it must be sad to have your ears constantly perked up because women and minorities want to do something or other.
>Why do women complain about living in a first world nation when there are muslim women getting their faces melted off?
Didn't know that you couldn't fight for both, silly me. And I hope you never complain about anything, because there's starving children in africa!
Competency would have been realizing pretty quickly that the secular groups were prone to infighting and that Western powers were ambivalent about involving themselves in another conflict after Libya along with framing the narrative as a secular government opposing foreign religious extremists from the get-go. Assad had several months before the West started supplying anything to rebel groups, a year before the CIA started working with rebel groups, and two years before the USA started supplying arms.
>"Hey dude can you not make blatant jokes about this uncomfortable subject?"
And I won't - around that person. I'm not going to change my life or the way I joke because some sensitive fuck might get rattled.
Agreed, but the important part is:
>Don't force the group to change to suit your tastes.
It works both ways - if I play with a group that's more "normie" (for total lack of a better world), of course I'm going to tailor what I say or do to that group. Almost anyone would.
But if a more sensitive person plays with a group that's not so sensitive, it's wrong for them to try to change it too. They need to grin and bear it.
They're mostly just hipster idiots trying to "reclaim the label" while also pandering to nerd culture idiocy. Because D&D is cool now, I guess.
Although I've seen ones practically go full fucking fursona tier with their "Social Justice Cleric" character/identity.
>But if a more sensitive person plays with a group that's not so sensitive, it's wrong for them to try to change it too. They need to grin and bear it.
And what if they do change? Are you gonna stomp your feet and whinge that they are "being forced to change"? Not everyone wants to be a miserable cunt like you
To add to what you said; if someone demands an apology from you, tell them to get fucked. An apology doesn't mean anything if forced, pressured, or coerced. It puts you on the same tier as someone who has a breakdown because the guy who raped their kid committed suicide and that "justice will never be done".
>I'm not going to change my life or the way I joke because some sensitive fuck might get rattled.
The reason I stopped making rape jokes was when I found out a friend of mine in highschool did an unconscious girl and I asked him what the fuck he was like "hey come on dude you use to be cool with it"... I feel like this goes into a discussion about recognizing when you mean something for realsies or not and when you can tell how a person really thinks but yea.
>implying the neoreactionary faggots on /pol/ actually give a shit about women in the Middle East
They're just as bad as the Islamic Fundamentalists they hate. For fucks sake Hitler even said that Islam would be more compatible with Nazism than Christianity.
>So? What does this change?
I'm saying that the UN is an organization that has enough funding and personel to attempt to set its own agenda. Plenty of countries that are formally members of it have issues with those agendas, you have to be neither a predominately islamic nation, nore a dicatorship like pretty much all predominantely islamic nations in the Middle and Near East to have issues with UN agendas.
>Why we're not supporting Assad is beyond me.
He recieves help from Iran, which both the Sauds and Israel do not like. Also Turkey wants him gone- You try to convince Washington that something the Sauds and Israel together with Turkey do not want is an actual good idea.
That guy's a lolcow.
Not him, but I think it's about who raises the drama first is what determines who the aggressor in this situation.
If I make a rape/racist/whatever joke in a social group where it's the norm, and a new person or outsider raises a fuss about it, that would make that person the aggressor.
With that said though you should still apologize otherwise you're just crass and probably aren't mister smooth like you might think you are.
>Changing your style of speaking because of one dumb friend
As I said before in >>44690124
>getting offended cause SOMEONE ELSE is offended is the epitome of faggotry.
She's probably fine by now anyway
If I offend you, you are the one who owes me an apology because one of these three things happened.
1: You overreacted and started being an attention-seeker in a social setting.
2: You did something in the past to warrant me offending you.
3: You deliberately misinterpreted what I said to attack me.
I repeat: If I offended you, then apologize to me immediately.
>They need to grin and bear it.
>B-but muh feelins'!
Seriously though, some people really do need to just grow some thicker skin. I don't know if it's a new thing or if it just seems more obvious now that people are enabling this bunch of retards, but when you have people claiming that just walking into a room with a bunch of white people is a "microagression" and that they need a safe place with soft music and bubbles(I really wish I was exaggerating) when someone disagrees with their opinions then I can't help but think that people really are getting dumber.
>She's probably fine by now anyway
That's... mighty presumptuous of you anon.
Also I fucking change my style of speech from "goo goo gaga" cause people spoke English around me.
Stop acting like you're mister trend setter and realize people are allowed to change their behavior for whatever reason they see fit.
Fascists, Nazis, Nationalists, Neoconservatives, Neoreactionaries whatever. They hate women, gays, and non-whites anyways.
Not really. Islamic moderates didn't really start up until after WWII.
If something like that happened to me, I'd probably be a lot more cautious about the kinds of jokes I made, too. I like to think I'd eventually be able to separate myself from that one legitimately terrible person, but there would probably be a period of time where I would feel partly responsible for my "friend" raping that girl.
tl;dr I may not agree with you on the "offensive joke" stance, but I get where you're coming from.
Did you not read that guy's whole post?
>For me, it's about recognizing the social situation. I don't make jokes about sensitive topics unless I'm in an environment where they're the norm, like with close friends. If I were at a FLGS that had that type of humor as the accepted norm, I'd join in. But the one I go to doesn't, so I don't.
>It's about respecting the norms of the group you join. If you don't like it, then leave and make your own. Don't force the group to change to suit your tastes.
That's an entirely understandable way of going about things.
If you have someone join your group for a game or two, they should be expected to conform to a sensitive/SJW manner. It's own right - that person is a guest at your table.
But if you join a table that's more "risque" or black humor or something, then it's only fair to at least not cause a stir. No one is asking you to join in on jokes and shit you don't like, but it's only fair - as a guest - that you don't try to change things, just as you wouldn't want someone to change your group.
It's about not being a hypocrite.
>Not everyone wants to be a miserable cunt like you
I just got here so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm just pointing out that it seems like the more recent generations seem to have a much higher rate of bitches, pussies, and giant babies than previously, and sadly I think itwthe previous generation's fault was allowed to happen in the first place.
College used to be about getting students ready for life, now it has its hands full keeping grown adults from pitching a fit at the slightest hint of adversity.
Because, as much as all of these modern reactionary groups hate to admit it, all of their issues are about labels.
They'll go on and on about how no one should be labeled this or that, and then their entire profile will be filled with their handpicked labels.
Nowadays, nothing exists besides labels. No one wants to know anything about anything unless it can clearly be labeled - and then organized into things they agree with or disagree with.
>"reclaim the label"
Has this ever actually worked? I know African Americans say that they "reclaimed" the word nigger/nigga, but honestly I think that the fact that one of the most common punctuations in that racial subculture's language is a term calling the other person subhuman has an overall negative effect, rather than the positive one that might have been intended.
>people who've actually experienced oppression
No one in a first world country in the last 60 years has experienced oppression on a scale larger than an abusive significant other or family member
Who knows, maybe they've been so coddled by first world living, that "microaggressions" and being disagreed with are the most stressful things they've dealt with in their lives.
They're still babies who need to grow up though.
Social Justice Wizards are the ones who make arguments out of literally nothing. No hint of a real issue exists.
Social Justice Warlocks form bizarre hate-relationships with MRAs, as they feed each other constant attention and bickering over the legitimacy of each other's arguments and wasting everyone's time.
I would think they would like Bayonetta, as a strong independent woman who don't need no man.
Strong women are some of the biggest opposition feminism has. Strong women don't need groupthink and mob mentality to be independent and feel capable; they just ARE capable. But all feminists see are big boobs and a low neckline, so obviously she's considered trash.
Bayonetta, who's entire character is pretty much
>actual strong, independent women
>sexual, but not sexualized
>super cool in general
It's because she's everything they ask for in a female character, but without constantly going "I don't need no man" or "I'm a strong lady, look at me! - thanks feminism"
He has a short story in his collection "Smoke and Mirrors" about a miraculous operation that cures all physical illness and defects but reverses your gender. In the story he castigates and bemoans the shortsighted bigot meanie-weanies who shun the process.
He is now married to Amanda Palmer, the Anita Sarkeesian of shrilly brayed indie rock.
What do YOU think?
>Beehive hairdos have been out of style for decades for a reason, anon.
Because of bees/wasps eating women's brains and then puppeting their corpses to use as mobile hive infiltration units?
I'm actually seething. I know I shouldn't get mad at someone this retarded, but holy shit.
>Newsflash, your sjw boogeyman is of zero threat to our medium/hobby.
back to tumblr with you
That said, as much as I agree with the sentiments in the thread, this is pretty quickly turning into a circlejerk, and not even a tg-related one. Probably best to just let the thread die at this point.
I actually agree, though maybe not for the same reasons as that anon.
Their influence is being felt in certain systems (particularly White Wolf and Pathfinder, but then again, they were always edging that way from the beginning), but ultimately SJWs cannot actually touch traditional gaming in the same way that they've been insinuating themselves into other mediums.
At the end of the day, gaming systems are just tool kits. The only reason SJW influence in a given system would have any effect on you as a player would be if it had a mechanical effect (and thus far it has always been relegated to cringe-inducing fluff commentary), or if your GM was a SJW themselves and injecting that ideology into the games they're running. SJWs are easily placated when they see concessions being made on the surface level, but they will never be able to actually infect your games unless they're already sitting at your gaming table.
Ironically fetishized, I think was the term. Impossibly long proportions, a body suit and attacks made with hair, and it just keeps rolling from there. Oh yeah, and maybe a MILF.
>if your GM was a SJW themselves and injecting that ideology into the games they're running. SJWs are easily placated when they see concessions being made on the surface level, but they will never be able to actually infect your games unless they're already sitting at your gaming table.
What this guy said. I hate how they fuck up vidya but I am secure in the knowledge that they can't fuck tabletop, since my group and I control what sort of games we play.
>Social Justice Mystic Theurge.
This is what happens when you give Trolls class levels, folks.
I know that even looking at tumblr is the equivalent of sticking your hand into a rotting asshole here, but tumblr overwhelmingly loves bayo with reasonable exceptions because people aren't just one hivemind.
Just looking up bayo on tumblr now has some 2 vaguely negative posts in the first 50+ about it
My axe for your cause.
Social Justice Barbarian
1. Never shaves because the patriarchy says all women should shave and that's meninist
2. Charisma is base -23 when starting
3. Weak to Logic
4. Effective against Google Search
5. Special Traits:
a. Ignorance - rolls 1d4 when making Intelligence tests
b. Shout - A war cry. Ignores heavy armor; the Barbarian shouts "RAPE" at the top of her lungs. +16 to all male enemies.
6. Starts with 0 Dex (is kept to a wheelchair)
Yes...I didn't make that one up, I just relayed it.
Possibly. Reminds me some years back there was one model who was 6 foot even but had measurements you'd expect to see on someone a foot shorter and she was considered "perfect" to some designers.
And they can't fuck up video games because of the simple fact that whatever they make tends to not sell well.
Really, tabletop is fine so long as GMs exist and the game isn't run by the game itself. The only truly fucked up medium is comic books.
>The only truly fucked up medium is comic books.
Superman's been attacking husbands who're disciplining their wifes during an era when that wasn't considered to be out of line in his first batch of issues, Anons.
Cape comics always were a lost cause. The best you can get out of them as far as conservative issues are concerned is that they generally support domestic racial terrorism.
Well in the US, it is. It's the country where the least people read comics of all the nations that even have a domestic market to begin with.
Comics are extremely unpopular in the US.
They are, everything they do is projection. They're like creationists, every flaw they object to in others is expressed equally if not more so in their own behavior/arguments/ideology/beliefs.
Having interacted with a good number of them and seen how they treat other people around them, I'd wager that if they hadn't been taught Feminism by their professors they would have been devoutly religious. They express the same behavior but distance themselves from the definition of religion because it's not seen as progressive.
It works but it of course has detractors. I'd disagree though that it will always carry a negative connotation, English especially has words that just fluctuate in connotation all over the place over the centuries, as dumb as it sounds, the fact that "sick" can mean "something that is really great" is a pretty clear example of that
Eh, using "sick" like that was always a passing fad. People don't do that much anymore.
Language can change meaning, but aside from large shifts in the entire language (Like from classical England's english to American Settler's English) the regular meaning of the world will reassert itself. Like with sick, for instance.
It's a real video game.
You face off against trolls, but the twist is that you both use shit methods to fight each other, like how they can use "distribute phone number" while you can do the same to them.
I think it was meant to say both trolls and SJWs suck.
Holy shit, they basically just said to every argument "No that's wrong and because it's wrong I'm right".
The whole #notyourshield thing can't just be denied by going "they were all either brainwashed or fake".
And the way they talk about the BDSM community is hilarious. They talk about how there's heaps of issues in it with consent (not true at all, the entire fucking basis of the community is consent) and dominant/submissive power structures (which is kind of the entire point of the fetish, how can that be a problem) and then say that fucking 50 shades of grey is apparently inaccurate. Why do people feel the need to spout shit about entire groups they have absolutely no knowledge of?
Of course, it just always blows me away the sort of shit people will assert is true with no actual knowledge of if it even is or not.
From my knowledge, the only real issue the BDSM community faces is public image, people assuming they're abusive and rapists, which stuff like 50 shades didn't exactly help. That being said, it's a niche fetish, it's never going to be mainstream.
I agree with this almost entirely, although I also think in addition to the dogmatic extremists there are a good amount of people within the ideology who operate on pretense to get in its good graces and use it for their own ends. The accumulated pretension and hostility are why people have grown to distrust social justice, even if, at its base, equality is not whatsoever a bad ideal to strive for. The term SJW is emblematic of a widespread perception of their community as ultimately not truly striving for equality, but rather their own self-satisfaction.
Neil, while liberal-minded, actually gives the finger to a lot of overblown political correctness bullshit. He's outright said that trigger warnings as too often used are dumb and people who abuse them need desperately to grow a thicker skin. He also thinks the very few people who have fallen victim to obscenity laws in America should be released and that the process which punished them was dubious at best. He's drowning in fangirl pussy and is very arguably more popular than Amanda Palmer herself is.
I think open relationships are pretty gross, honestly, but if someone was doing it right, it's probably that guy.
I would say /pol/ isn't just ultraright, but tumblr isn't just ultraleft, so...
I can honestly say tumblr probably deserves its perceived political slant less than pol. You will practically always see something like NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERR on pol, but I've browsed tumblr for a year or so without ever seeing political shit.
I'm not that anon. But you're a retard. Learn the difference between ad hominem and an insult. He isn't saying you're wrong because you're an idiot, he's saying you're wrong and an idiot.
Constant for you maybe. I'm experiencing the opposite. College is an awful polluted place. I keep my mouth shut even though I disagree just to wade through the shit hole to my degree, but I hear about SJW crap every day. Opposing opinions virtually never come up, even when there's logical inconsistencies in the SJW think. Discourse is shut down in places like that, the colleges 'protect' the SJW bullies from opposing opinions, and you can be kicked out if you argue. That doesn't happen to the constant SJW side of the arguments.
tl;dr - the answer depends on who/where you are. Both are annoying and occupy different spaces.
Difference is, ironically, SJWs have some measure of institutional power on campus and in the workplace, while the opposition has virtually no recourse anywhere.
Basically this, yeah.
At least 4chan (for the most part) doesn't pretend that they're assholes for any other reason beyond being assholes. We're honest.
SJWs just hide their bullying and intimidation and general faggotry behind a veil of righteousness.
Makes real Paladins angry.
Righto... So in this instance, the person that's offended can suck a fat one because they're the minority in said group. Sounds like most of the group thought it was fine, which means superior position is granted to the rape joke party. 'I'm offended' person could potentially be ejected for fun ruining.
I can get behind this reasoning.
should take a look.
Has the power to not be punished for an opinion? Yea. But otherwise, What? This is just flat wrong. Take a look at things like prison sentencing, wage gap discussions, diversity quotas etc. The moderates are the ones that are in power currently, but they listen to the loud noticeable radicals. Otherwise you wouldn't see the president going 'hurr wage gap!' to a chorus of cheers. You wouldn't see things like the college uproar at yale and the like over costumes and microagressions.
Why do you fucking retards even come to 4chan? Don't you have your own shit to wallow in?
When entitlement becomes burden, the white man will rise.
That's the beautiful part because it's what's happening now.
And now it's a compliment. GG, anon.
Man. Issues over political correctness. I never thought that'd be a thing on this website. It makes me reminisce. I was thinking just now about how everything became this way...
>>been on 4chan since 2006
>remember when atheism was the most prominent belief here
>remember when edginess was applauded rather than scorned
>remember when people used the word nigger freely, not out of racist intent, but simply to offend the uninitiated
>>remember a time when /b/ was still shit, but it was largely disturbing shit rather than largely retarded shit
>vaguely recall Habbo raids
>okay, that was pretty fucking retarded
>>remember the 2006 anime seasons and how they initiated me in this inescapable shithole
>F/SN's and Higurashi's shitty DEEN adaptions, Haruhi, Dearth Note, Code Gayass, ZnT
>but also Black Lagoon, Gunslinger Girl, Ergo Proxy, Welcome to the NHK
>remember /a/'s 2007 anime seasons and how fucking ridiculous it was, how fast everything became, how excited everyone was over everything
>TTGL, Lucky Star, Mononoke, School Days, SZS, DtB, Baccano!, more Gayass, 5CMPS, Hidamari, Hayate, StrikerS, Claymore, Kaze no Stigma, Dennou Coil, Kaiji, Clannad... The list goes on and on and on.
>What a time.
>>remember /v/ before it degenerated into another /b/
>was always elitist as hell, but at least it didn't seem so brain damaged
>>remember the birth of /tg/
>wasn't long after I got here, too
>wasn't into it then, was still too weeaboo; didn't take too long, though
>>remember when /x/ was still cool and interesting, before the raids, before the chuuni shit got out of control
>remember a time before "newfag," before sincere waifufaggotry, long before /r9k/'s pathetic ilk, certainly before SJWs, when desu and millhouse still roamed free across the open plains
Truly, where did it all go wrong? And is it truly wrong? Ah, I digress.
Thou will understand, one day. At thy twilight, old thoughts return, in great waves of nostalgia.
4chan became popular. Greentext stories constantly being posted on sites like funnyjunk, 9gag, reddit, tumblr, imgur and so on took its' toll. There was a reason they the first and second rule existed and why we blamed everything on ebaums and something awful.
Now boards that used to be my favorite are filled with normalfaggots who actively get offended by the word nigger, that are disgustingly gobbling up mainstream culture and making fun of you if you don't. And on the other hand there's people who are so counter-culture that they hate the site's culture of shock value, racism and general political indifference and opposite it just because.
/tg/ has been hit the hardest by this, but a friend of mine who frequents /co/ swears that the board is now just tumblr users.
I didn't name anything in particular, that was just what made waves back then. There are definitely shows among those listed that I enjoyed in particular, but I certainly wouldn't say everything I mentioned was a particularly good show. If I had to name things which were from this single era that are actually good in particular...
>Mononoke, Kaiji, SZS, Dennou Coil, Black Lagoon
Things which I rather enjoyed or otherwise am at least interested in, but some people will consider shitty...
>TTGL, DtB, Baccano!, Gunslinger Girl, Kaze no Stigma, Shakugan no Shana, Seirei no Moribito, Death Note up until L's death
Something that I admit is pretty good, but I resent it anyway...
Things that are mediocre that I enjoy anyway...
>School Days, Ergo Proxy
Things that aren't necessarily good, possibly bad, and I probably would never watch them again, but am nonetheless nostalgic over due to their influence on that time...
>Haruhi, Code Gayass, Clannad
Things that I have zero interest in...
>Lucky Star, Hidamari Sketch, Hayate the Combat Butler, Nanoha StrikerS (actually this one is outright fucking bad)
Things whose anime I don't really give a shit about anyway...
>Claymore (lol the manga's ending is fucking terrible), Bokurano (good ol' Mohiro Kitoh), F/SN (Nasu is garbage these days), Higurashi
Then there's stuff like Kaibutsu Oujo, Ikkitousen, and Gift: Eternal Rainbow which I remember watching but cannot remember what they fuck they even entailed.
I can't believe I bothered to type all that.
Incidentally, since I came in 2006, I very much rode in on that season of anime, but I do recall that, besides obligatory Toonami and Adult Swim-based threads, there were threads of content before then which were pretty instrumental in getting me to expand my horizons, like Lain, Texhnolyze, Boogiepop Phantom, Gankutsuou, and Vandread. Ah... I wonder where I got all that fucking time, as a kid? I certainly wasted it on fucking anime.
>Didn't know that you couldn't fight for both, silly me.
Except you demonstrably don't actually give a shit about muslim women; else you'd bother the Saudi embassy as much as you bother gamers and sci-fi writers on the net; and you don't.
Feminism si like vegetarianism: it's named after what it's adherents consume not after what they cherish.
The world changed anon. The governments and corporations began to try and tame the internet to stem political opponents and gain profits. A recent example of this is Germany's attitude towards opponents of the immigration policy of Merkel because they introduced laws that literally lets them take children away for wrongthink.
Normalfags got more and more access to the internet and this, combined with the growth of social media meant that the real world and virtual world became one. Their ego and feelings became entwined with the web, so any disagreement or insult became a personal attack, and they began supporting censorship online.
The university students began to see their schools not as places of debate and learning but as 'homes' and 'safe spaces' and looked at an internet that laughed at them as offensive and hurtful. They had to change it lest minorities or the weak be triggered to death by faggots laughing at them. Thus, the logic followed, censorship is required to protect them.
The evil conservatives were thrown out and without a great power to fight against the regressive left began to turn its gaze onto the subcultures and communities that didnt fit their worldview; metal, video games, comics, websites like this, it all had to be changed, and so they began to support censorship as well.
A veritable shitstorm of censorship, half truths, hurt feelings and desire for control hit the world and we're caught in the center.
Son you seen the reaction they're having to the Cologne rapes? its doublethink at its finest.
>A recent example of this is Germany's attitude towards opponents of the immigration policy of Merkel because they introduced laws that literally lets them take children away for wrongthink.
This being 4chan, I doubt you can actually check what the original news said before it was mangled by whatever outrage outlet you frequent.
You'd be wrong son.
Individuals who choose to share radical or xenophobic views on social media risk not only losing their jobs in Germany, but their children as well, local media reports. Posting an unorthodox opinion on Facebook could be enough to get the ball rolling.
It's not clear how “radical” opinions will be defined. But simply by expressing discontent with Syrian refugees living nearby or making threats toward asylum-seekers parents may accidentally push things too far, Die Welt reported, citing the Deutsche Anwaltauskunft information portal of the German Lawyers' Association
Thats from RT.
The original article is a german article. Translate if you want.
It should be noted that while Eva says its a matter of 'common' sense, it doesnt even matter if what the parent said is a criminal act. Its entirely up to them.
That article links to this, a german law magazine website. You can read to your heads content, just do some searching.
But of course you'd know just how fucked up Germany is becoming if you paid attention.
No the right wing outrage is that Merkel's immigration policy caused this to happen and that they convinced the police to keep silent. The police involved have stated that the suspects they've arrested are recent refugee arrivals and they've also stated that the Interior Ministry 'recommended' that they all keep information about refugee crimes quiet so as to not give further ammo to 'neo nazi's.
This goes beyond rapes. If it were just rapes it would be tragic, but nothing to be outraged at. This is an example of a culture of silence fostered by the government to keep political foes down that meant the police tried to cover the rapes up. The police report they released just after the celebrations said the event was peaceful with no incidents, the only reason we know this happened was because of social media.
>That article links to this, a german law magazine website. You can read to your heads content, just do some searching.
You should do that, because I did.
>But simply by expressing discontent with Syrian refugees living nearby or making threats toward asylum-seekers parents may accidentally push things too far, Die Welt reported, citing the Deutsche Anwaltauskunft information portal of the German Lawyers' Association
>Ein drastisches Beispiel: Wer einmal sagt, dass es ihm lieber wäre, wenn in seiner Nachbarschaft keine syrischen Flüchtlinge wohnen würden, wird damit das Kindeswohl noch nicht tangieren.
Funny how the original article the one you linked is based on contradicts whatever english article you're quoting, no?
>It should be noted that while Eva says its a matter of 'common' sense, it doesnt even matter if what the parent said is a criminal act. Its entirely up to them.
It really isn't. Germany has laws governing hate-speech and all those do is activate the normal proceedings of child protection services which by law are still bound to keep whatever dysfunctional family the kid's in as whole as possible. The details of that are described in the Anwaltauskunft article.
SJCleric: Firmly stuck in their beliefs, will try to convert you to their cause, will get angry if they can't
SJPaladin: same as cleric, but with added physical assault if you don't agree
SJRanger: PETA advocate, thinks pets are a sin, dangerously vegan
SJDruid: Hardcore environmentalist. May also be otherkin and/or furry
SJRogue:Avoids confrontation, tries to ruin your life by betraying you behind your back by lying or stealing (false DV reports, Lies to CPS, Stealing weapons)
SJBard: Uses their art/music/writing to push extreme opinions, omnisexual and fucks anything with a heartbeat
SJWizard: No sense of right or wrong, speaks in tongues (xim, xir), may set your house on fire. Criminally insane.
SJmonk: Actually discusses reasonably, means well, but holds overly extreme views due to holding their beliefs too long
SJNecromancer: preys on the simple minded in society and manipulates them to do their bidding
SJBarbarian: Assaults without provocation if they believe you are more privileged than others, will not listen to reason, only responds with violence
frequent /co/ user here, I can confirm /co/ has become fairly tumblr influenced at this point. I'm ashamed to say there are people that legitimately think comics like Lumberjanes and Saga are their favorite. Don't even get me started on what happened to Marvel and DC. Despite how shit they are most of the board is still dedicated to them. Of course there's still people that call out on tumblr bullshit on /co/ but most of the time they get drowned out in the echo chamber as trolls.
One of my ex girlfriends us into BDSM, (I'm not, hence ex) and she told me the characters in 50 shades were abusive and didn't do the consent thing right, and BDSM peeps are heavy serious about consent.
Let us not forget we also had shit like Jim Profit, FlareFag, SergalFag and that other faggot whose name escapes me. Tranny, avatarfagged with anime women with blue hair.
I never really went back to /b/ when Warhammer Wednesday died and /tg/ was born. But I think that /tg/ went to shit during the reign of TheJanitor. We are only at about 50% creative ability to before that time.
A lot of that creativity was fucking stupid and awful but it was there and there were occasionally diamonds.
>Of course there's still people that call out on tumblr bullshit on /co/ but most of the time they get drowned out in the echo chamber as trolls.
That's because it usually leads to a huge derail and that sucks for everyone involved.
Would have been about then yes.
If it wasn't a Yu-Gi-Oh card or a model it was a bannable offence.
Lore discussions were tolerated for things like Warhammer and official settings of D&D, barely, but not if they deviated too far into speculation and too far away from number crunching.
The Drawfag and Writefag populations were practically culled. We lost the old legends and professors like MR RAGE.
And you got life time bans for any criticisms of the way things were done.
Good God it was shit. Board traffic went down to something like a quarter of what it is now.
I don't mind tumblr users coming here, or any outsider really, so long as they respect the cultural norms that existed before they showed up.
That's the problem with the mass immigration to a subculture, they arrive in such numbers, older users are unable to educate them on the social norms. And because they are in familiar company, the new arrivals feel no incentive to change their behaviors and end up appropriating something that they did not build from nothing.
I may be misremembering, but doesn't society get really weird and dystopian after use of the procedure gets widespread? At the time I read it (admittedly a long time ago) I didn't take it as being super political in an sjw direction.
Social Justice Rogues are the false flaggers who pretend to be edge lords to gain the publics favour.
>Think a feminist under the screen name "DOODMANG" threatening herself with rape and battery acid
Yeah, it sucks when it gets ruined for everyone like that.
I'm kind of happy I was at least here long enough to see /tg/'s golden age period, especially since I felt liked I missed that time for 4chan in general (especially /a/ and /m/).
It's weird that a friend considers me an oldfag when I've only been here since 2009.
Wasn't it either Flee or Zhakuuvaan? They may have been the same person, I don't remember. The other bit sounds like a little like Edward, but he just used tripcodes.
>That's the problem with the mass immigration to a subculture, they arrive in such numbers, older users are unable to educate them on the social norms. And because they are in familiar company, the new arrivals feel no incentive to change their behaviors and end up appropriating something that they did not build from nothing.
I do think the rise of Generals hasn't helped
there, because you almost inevitably get rising levels of cabin fever as the same people post the same things day after day, and the worst and most prolific posters can actively shape it to have a culture they like. New users come and think the "old culture" that they're supposed to acclimatise to is the one that, in years past, would have been shunned.
I admit I'm biased though because I really, really loathe several of the most active posers in the Noun: The Verbening threads based on past experiences, and can remember when they were well-known as That Guy tripfags and shunned accordingly.
Do Social Justice Wizards magically make anything about the things that divide us?
>"Look! Someone built a gingerbread Warhound Titan!"
SJWiz: "You know there are people with gluten intolerance. Check your privilege."
Generals seemed like an inevitability sadly, and I've said as much back on /a/. I hate them, because by their very nature they demand discussion for it's own sake, even when there is nothing to discuss. They go against the spontaneous nature that makes anonymous imageboards so appealing. Though, I don't know how they could've been prevented without heavy handedness from the higher ups. Maybe /vg/ shouldn't have been created, since that might have given legitimacy to generals as a concept.
The other issue is the fact that OPs can't easily bump threads any more, so longer form stories and discussions have to immediately snag eyeballs or they die very quickly. This is made even more difficult by the post cooldowns and captchas making it so even if you've got everything you want to say lined up ready to go its going to take you a while to say anything substantial, which in turn makes it harder to draw people in to start with.
>They go against the spontaneous nature that makes anonymous imageboards so appealing.
That's exactly how I feel about it. Of course, the solution is to just post and damn the consequences, be the change you want to see in the world and all that, but I admit I'm as bad about doing that as everyone else.
I remembered I had this. Turns out it went on until 2011 >>44709409.
Why the fuck do I still remember any of this shit, this was five years ago now.
I knew that already since Ive always thought cape comics were mostly shit but the cancer pretty much spread to the point it's taken over everything at this point. I cannot comprehend how anyone thought Whor or Squirrel Potato was a good idea.
>I cannot comprehend how anyone thought Whor or Squirrel Potato was a good idea.
The same people who thought that Frog-Thor and Superman and Lex Luthor having a baby was a good idea.
I would imagine Squirrel Potato costs peanuts to make, even by the low standards of comics, because its two webcomic people doing it rather than professionals. They're almost certainly being paid less than their peers, and they have their own internet fandoms and peers doing the bulk of the marketing for them. Even Marvel only makes pennies on the actual comics, it raises Squirrel Girl's profile in the public eye a tiny bit which can in turn be converted into moichandising a bit down the road.
The other issues stem from middle-aged, desperately uncool execs and writers chasing popularity by pandering to what they think the kids are down with these days, or else going along with whatever people at the top want so long as they can push their own fanfiction. Poorly written touchy-feely social issues stuff is to today's comics what pouches, leather jackets and pure edge was to the 90s. The ever-dwindling core comics audiences have shown they'll buy any old shit so long as their favourite character is in it, so they're taken for granted and other markets are pursued (with varying levels of success). In the end even that hardly matters, as the comics make so little compared to the merchandising, film tie ins, and other IP exploitations that they're essentially an afterthought. The suits will ensure that the "most iconic" version of a character is always put forward first in place of any potential replacements to make sure the casual audience members who might buy some superhero t-shirts sometimes but don't know their Barbaras from their Cassandras aren't confused.
They'll likely do as they usually do and not mention the fucktards in favor of whatever narrative they want to portray as being the norm at the time. Think of how often people calling for the end of the Roman Republic are mentioned.
As the guy you're responding to, I generally agree with the premise that so-called normalfags and people who are far too controlled by their egos and feelings have become predominant, but on the other hand, there's hints of exactly the sort of right-wing bias that would also get ridiculed into the dirt in 4chan's past, I'm sorry to tell you. After all, the conservative right is not without its foibles, such as the persecution of various mediums by self-proclaimed moral guardians, often religious in nature, just as insane as the political correctness police, the Tea Party, and the fact that Donald Trump has a chance of winning candidacy at all, giving an incompetent trend-follower like Hillary a chance at office.
Rather, I would assert that both parties have fallen into a downward spiral of extreme partisanship that has destroyed their judgment, causing them to pander to the lower common denominator, the stupidly dogmatic, and corporate interests. With thirty second soundbites dominating the political landscape, our politics has been dumbed down into an inane popularity contest based on the dogmatic partisanship passed down to children by their parents rather than any legitimate ideal.
I'd even argue that 4chan, in the past, was more liberal-minded than conservative, in general, perhaps because of the aforementioned religious intolerance coming from the conservative spectrum back then. That said, that liberalism was of a far, far, far different context and mentality than the radical, blind "progressive" perspective of these days. It was more about touting ideals of personal freedom and expression and an innate, almost Darwinistic sense of equality than anything a so-called SJW would espouse.
"Welcome to the Internet. No one here likes you." Perhaps you recall it, one of the earliest of copypasta, long before the term "copypasta" even existed. That's what I grew up on. We grew thick skins because to take every insult to heart was a waste of time.
Though I never got involved with it myself, the idea that Anonymous could apply themselves as a group to dismantle a reprehensible organization was very tempting to believe in at the time. Unfortunately, the IRL protests were totally vestigial and ultimately served only to invite undue media attention. I do recall discussing Chanology with someone who participated in it who noted that, on the ass end, a lot of the "durrhurrtolerance" over nothing and safe-space bullshit came in and it all basically dissolved at that point. In hindsight, you're probably on to something.
Unmei no Akai Kumo no Ito (Red Spiderweb of Fate) by Asatsuki Dou, a grim exaggeration of one of the odder Idolmaster characters. It's not actually an ero-doujin, though there's plenty of Mayu rule 34.
Yes, I recall somewhat the early times of /tg/ and how stifled creativity was back then. I must admit, however, that I did not frequent /tg/ particularly much at the time for just those reasons. The period after that, though, things really kicked into overdrive. A lot of pent-up creativity just spilled forth.
>We lost the old legends and professors like MR RAGE.
You can still find Mr. Rage on a large variety of IRCs even today. He gets around.
I agree with you, more or less. I often refer to Tumblr disparagingly, but taking things seriously, Tumblr as a platform isn't in and of itself bad. There are plenty of porn blogs and all sorts of backlash against the political correctness and obsessive fandom cancer. That in mind, while it's not as though younger websites like Tumblr and Reddit don't deserve to exist, their mentality is and has always been intrinsically different. 4chan has always been novel for the specific factor of Anonymous.
You're absolutely right. The cabin fever effect tends to cause most generals to degenerate into vapid shitposting, especially when there's nothing left to discuss until a new release and the general spawns its own internal memes which get parroted ad infinitum to the point of lunacy.
>I hate them, because by their very nature they demand discussion for it's own sake, even when there is nothing to discuss. They go against the spontaneous nature that makes anonymous imageboards so appealing.
It's a strange distinction, too. In the past, comparable threads would be established based on a defining topic, often tied to a specific series, and from there would spiral into all manner of discussion. Generals being a continuous thing drawing all discussion of a specific series into them did cut down on clutter and how certain specific series would dominate boards for days, but it also totally altered the organic nature of previous discussions.