What is you intention for this thread? You are not being clear. Do you want us to discuss game etiquette? Maybe deb8 /tg/'s resident stoners? Come on, give us a little bit more to work with than one line of greentext.
>live miles and miles away from game >friend says he'll swing by and get me >arrives to pick me up 1h after game start >about halfway there it's clear that he's actually high out of his fucking mind and not just his usual weird flakey self >mfw sitting there hoping not to die and dreading what's going to transpire at the table while we wait long periods of time for his already idiotic ingame antics every time his turn comes
>>44669763 Man, playing while high would suck for everyone else. I was high on painkillers during a oral presentation last semester and we managed to ace it, but Jesus the group members were scared to death I would start fucking around too much.
>>44669763 I have never played a game sober, either dming or playing, and ussually in a group of 5. Most of the time people smoke with me, a select few don't. Never gets in the way of the game and usually helps it. The only problem that it would cause is messing up the order in combat but I write that shit down now.
>>44669837 I have a friend in my group who started drinking because we began playing at his house. The opposite happened; it made him more docile and laid-back. I'm pretty okay with it, especially since I'm the one GMing currently.
I DM for my group of five and I mix in edibles with the regular snacks. Pot cookies usually, but realistically anything that requires butter. Everyone is stoned by the time the game picks up in about an hour.
Makes for a better night honestly. I can't be bothered to deal with half these fucking guys when they're sober.
I play in a few groups and it's always completely sober and I think this is usually a detriment.
A few of them drink or smoke weed elsewhere, I drink but don't smoke weed that often, but god damn it would help loosen people up so much.
It's always one teetotaller or abstainer who ruins it for everyone else. Everyone's sitting around awkwardly, too nervous to actually role-play, if only there was some kind of simple fix to relieve the tension...
>>44669763 I don't give a shit if you smoke weed, what you do on your own time is your business. But if you're going to show up to a place with other people for any reasonable amount of time at least make the effort to not reek
I don't really care if people do pot or any other drugs they do in their personal life, but at the table I have the same policy for all intoxicants.
If it effects how you play in a way that makes it uncomfortable to others, you can't have it at the table. This means light drinking is fine, but I have never had a pot user who didn't have it effect them enormously (plus I can't stand the smell, so that has a lot to do with it).
Smoke at home, no worries, smoke on my back porch, I may have a problem.
>>44671173 How do you feel if it affects the experience positively?
I have bad anxiety and I take medication for it. Without that I'm the most awkward player to play with, and I bring down the game for everyone. With the medication I'm fine, but in the past I've relied on weed and alcohol for the same purpose.
Literally every time we play dnd there's usually a bong or vape going around and that never caused any problems for us experienced (5+ years) smokers.
You fags calling "stoners" out must only interact with DUDE WEED LMAO degenerates or kids. Some of us smoke because it's an alternative to getting fucked up on alcohol. I'd go as far as to say it's better than booze because there's no carbs involved and you can drive afterwards.
So weird to me. Like I get not liking the smell (I've never smoked but I don't mind it), but surely the fact that stoned players are flakey shitty players is much worse than their smell? Like, it's tabletop. Everyone else at the table probably smells too.
>>44671273 >How do you feel if it affects the experience positively? Then by all means. I would however prefer if you smoked at home then came over, and if you really needed to be high to play then I would offer you a ride because I don't think you should be driving high.
Some people need the stuff and I recognize that, but really I can't stand the smell so I'd rather you not do it in my house.
>>44671262 I got hit by a car three days prior, and it was obvious as all hell to everyone I was high (People had their phones out filming, I don't know if they uploaded it anywhere). They weren't pissed at all because even though we were like two seconds away from the cut-off time we said everything we needed to.
>>44669763 Depends on how high they are and how they behave
I play with a group and all of them smoke except for me. They're still the best roleplayers and they pay attention better than anyone in my other groups.
Honestly its getting drunk during D&D that pisses me off because literal 0 drunk people can play properly. Like... If you want to chill and drink that's fine, but let's put the D&D shit away and not pretend like we're doing anything.
\>tfw I'm the only straight-edge person in my friend groups
>>44671607 I had a big grin on my face the entire time, and I was on the cusp of slurring my words. Also I was drawing on the blackboard to illustrate the points I was making. I remember one offhand comment I said being "and when you enter the website's house, the robot slave takes your coat because they aren't people and don't have rights yet."
>>44671610 Some people aren't comfortable around people, Anon. I don't mind a bit of drinking or drugs if it relieves the general anxiety.
But if the group agrees as a whole or if it's a public place, sure, drinking and drugs are off the table.
What I'm saying is it's the worst when you have a group of say, six people, and one of them is ABSOLUTELY AGAINST drinking. NOBODY CAN DRINK. Maybe the others want to, maybe it would make the whole experience enjoyable, but FUCK YOU, John is a teetotaller.
And again I've had similar experiences two or three times with vegetarians and vegans. The kind who say they're uncomfortable around meat, so if you order a pepperoni pizza, they're going to boycott the game.
Sadly not everyone can choose exactly who they play with.
>>44671525 That Guy is, among other things, the faggot who can't pay attention and give the game a shred of respect. When you're drunk, no matter how much you think otherwise, you are not roleplaying well or paying attention. I absolutely 100% guarantee you, as a teetotaler who witnesses this frequently, that you cannot play when you're drunk. Being high is another story if you're not too blazed, but even then there's a limit.
It's like going to the cinema and talking loudly through the movie. It ruins everything and is incredibly rude. If you want to talk, just go somewhere else and talk. Don't fuck up other people's time.
I had a stoner who came to my games for over six months. He always showed up high, but wasn't obnoxious, just kind of tired and hungry. He knew the game well enough that he could play, but played relatively simple character.
On the plus side he always brought food because weed made him hungry.
>>44671782 Ahhh here we have the classic weed addled mind. This husk that was once a man claims he will just walk away but keeps coming back. Look on him kids and know what a horrible future you might have if you become such a filthy addict as he
>>44671807 >That Guy is, among other things, the faggot who can't pay attention and give the game a shred of respect. When you're drunk, no matter how much you think otherwise, you are not roleplaying well or paying attention. What if my character is highly intoxicated? I drank when roleplaying when I played a drunken master.
Also you seem to equate single drinks with drunk. There is a wide span of levels of intoxication, some of which are acceptable and some are not.
>>44671845 I have literally never witnessed someone have "just a drink or two" at D&D. It's either no drinking, or they keep drinking until they can't remember why they are sitting at the table. Also the fucking bathroom breaks. Why the fuck do you need to piss every 10 minutes? My roommates group has about 15 minutes of session time where everyone is at the table and then it's literally a minimum of one person being away from the table at all times to either get more drinks or take a piss.
>thinking drunken master is a good character concept and not a shitty gimmick The only place drunken master works is in chinamen movies and vidya games. During a ttrpg it's just someone trying to be xDDDDlulz epik badass drinking-is-cool-rite-guise?
>>44672001 >The only place drunken master works is in chinamen movies and vidya games. During a ttrpg it's just someone trying to be xDDDDlulz epik badass drinking-is-cool-rite-guise? I mean, it was a wuxia game. You don't have to act so triggered.
It just seems like you've had really bad experiences, it isn't always that bad. Some people can have a drink without going too far. You need a better group.
>>44672001 My group plays at a bar so drinking is kind of expected. Everyone usually just has 2 pints a night, one you get at the start and one like 2 hours in when we have a break for people to use the loo. Has never been a problem so I guess I got lucky and have a group of reasonable adults rather than the manchildren that make up 99% of the hobby if people on here to be believed.
>>44671822 It's sad, really. They don't even know they have a problem, and by the time they come to their senses, they're 35 with two children and a weed needle snapped off in their arm. Weed ruins lives and leads to interracial admixture, this is fact.
What is it with self-important fucks and their need to type like disney villains once they get in an argument? You probably think you look really intelligent or put him in his place, but really, you're just embarrassing yourself.
>>44672350 And lo like a pack of frenzied animals does the emaciated weed demon summon its brethren with its wailing at the first sign of disagreement. Like zombies these mindless meat sacks shuffle toward groaning about weed. This poor one here may once have even had a future, but now look at it. No job prospects, whiny, annoying, and horrible to the eyes. Truly weed will be the end of law and order as we know it.
One of the guys I always play with tends to be good for a few hours where he will sip a drink and then he just goes over this cliff and becomes a retard who would rather cause chaos and throw things. It works ok because we usually start with more involved board games then switch to bullshit like munchkin later as people get too drunk. But it can be kind of annoying when alcohol becomes the main event rather than gaming
>>44672699 Excuse me? I mean come on man, maybe I just want you to not smoke while at the game. I am invested in the campaign. If you can't get invested to the point you need weed in order to even tolerate being at the game then you shouldn't be in the group.
Being invested in a story isn't some kind of personality flaw. I don't understand people, especially on /tg/, who treat it like it is.
>>44673064 Behold! Yet another slack jawed red eyed freak comes screeching about his need for drugs. >>44673094 Yes comfort yourself with the fact that intelligent people use drugs as you swim in your piss filled fish bowl you call a life.
>>44673274 The thing is. I can have fun without doing drugs and have fun with an engaging story. A lot of the time intoxication makes the game a lot less engaging because people have a difficult time playing a serious game while intoxicated. I don't care if you do drugs, just generally don't like people doing it while gaming.
I don't understand why this is such an offensive idea.
>>44673358 This specimen is a prime is example of what a degenerate burn out a man can become with but a puff of weed. Where once we had a god fearing righteous man we now have a servant of Satan. Look upon him and see the luster in his eyes is gone, the sheen of his hair is dampened, even his skin has grown ashen. Son of God what horrible thing befell you that you chose to turn from the lord? Why have you chosen the unpalatable Devil's Lettuce to the wholesome and nutritious potato salad of the Lord?
>>44673555 Chemicals was the wrong word to choose. It's like putting any intoxicant in my food/drink without telling me.
If it an opioid instead of weed, or some other synthetic stuff (molly or the like) then it'd be considered a much larger deal. The thing is I don't want to use weed. Having them around is fine. Giving them to me without telling me? No thank you.
I've tried weed before. I find the high extremely unpleasant. I wouldn't be able to game in that state. Hell I was hardly able to sit up straight.
Just wanted to say: I smoke lots of weed and I love weed. I don't usually like my players to be intoxicated during my games since I personally believe that RPing is done better sober, but you never know, sometimes there's a time and a place for high/drunk gaming
The bottom line is to just check with your DM first, if they're not an autistic sperg you're not gonna lose anything by asking
>>44669763 >Being a lightweight and failing to maintain a flawless facade
I once consumed an eighth of mushrooms after being awake for 26 hours and then played a five hour session of Rogue Trader. I told two of the other players before the game that I'd eaten the mushrooms and afterwards one of them started laughing about what I'd said. He thought I'd been joking because I'd acted perfectly normal.
>Arrive at GM's place >Start setting our shit up >Stonerbro pipes up >"Haha before we play let's slip off for a little 'motivation', eh~?" >Sigh audibly because I just want to play >30-40 min later come back to the table >FINISH setting up >"Haha, damn, that took longer than I thought. So, before we start playing, let's freshen up!" >Sigh audibly, even louder. >20 mins later back at the table >"Oh man I'm hungry/thirsty now." >10 minutes of "HM WHAT DO I WANT THO" >Back at the table, start actually playing >An hour later >Stonerbro is pounding back his first energy drink >"Man you know what would make this better? If I was high. Let's go, boys." >40 mins later >Play again for an hour and a half >Stonerbro is constantly yawning. Opens his second monster. >It's too late, he started when he was already half asleep. >Constantly dozing off >Yawn >Yawn >Yawn >"Man you know what would wake me up?" >DUDE >WEED >LMAO >30 mins later back at the table >He's still not awake >It is now 3am >"MAN NIGGA I'M FUCKIN TIRED LET'S CALL IT A NIGHT LOL"
I fucking hate my DnD group, but they're the only fucking people locally.
>>44674048 >I don't smoke weed. I also don't think that everybody who smokes weed or drinks is the same or that smoking, drinking etc. is automatically bad for roleplaying purposes See, it's not even for roleplaying purposes largely. I don't allow drinking because I don't like people spending the night because my place is tiny and I don't want to have give people rides late at night (not letting them drink and drive).
For weed it's because I can't stand the smell of it and would not enjoy the game nearly as much if they smoked in my house.
If they're a better roleplayer while intoxicated then they should host it and do what they want. However, when I host I do lay some ground rules.
>>44673345 What if, on the flip side, people find that mild intoxication makes the game more engaging and they find it easier to play a serious game while mildly intoxicated? And thus it makes the game better for others too?
As others have said, we're not talking about getting wasted, just having a few drinks or maybe a joint.
People do this in real life, serious situations to relax, so why not fantasy role-playing games?
>>44674271 It really depends on the person and I have yet to find someone who becomes a better roleplayer while intoxicated.
Really if they want to then we should just be in different groups. Obviously there are plenty of people who like to play intoxicated. I'd rather us part ways than force him to change his ways or change mine.
I simply know I would become incapable of being engaging, and likely while they would be having fun it may not be fun for the sober in the group.
Think of a non-RPG scenario where people are going to mingle and chat and mix with strangers on an evening, like a work outing or a charity ball or speed dating. There's usually alcohol involved and people are fine.
It's not a binary choice between staying sober and then everything is fine and comfortable and happy, or alcohol drinks are served and then everyone is drunk and things are awful.
Because when you play an RPG, you and your fellow gamers are making a commitment to the game. Mind altering substances can slow the game pace down to a crawl, cause players to neglect basic logic, and depending upon the person, cause other negative emotional reactions that would not have otherwise happened. You are abandoning your commitment to making that time about the game, and making everybody else miserable for your own sake.
>>44674344 When we actually play it's fun. We don't get super in-character like I'd like to (i.e. no RP) but I can deal with that.
It's every other part in between that makes me want to shoot myself with a 12 gauge.
>>44674408 They're my buddies since High school and basically the only people that play DnD/tabletop within an hours drive. And I can't drive. I like them well enough, but I absolutely fucking can't stand them getting blitzed constantly half of the time we're together. Especially when we play games, because they just shit the bed and never try once they smoke once.
>>44669763 As long as he doesn't stink. Not stinking up my kitchen is an essential piece of personal courtesy I expect from guests. The guy who doesn't shower got booted, too. Shit, I still ask myself why I even let Blondie McDreadlocks through the door. Fuck your degenerate friends, Kevin.
Perhaps this is purely my personal experience, but I have had situations in which the GM was drunk. We spent the next 4 hours listening to him babble inane shit about the runes on the dungeon wall as we desperately tried to get the game to progress. I think we ended up about 20 meters from the location we started that session at, and gained absolutely no resources from it. Eventually, the party got sick of it, and we all left, telling him to try again when he was a functioning human being.
Likewise, I have had a player who was heavily stones show up for my game. He constantly did stupid shit that he would have never done under a normal mind-state, to the point where I just had to stop having his actions from having consequences that game, lest it ruin the game for all players.
>be playing that werewolf game >three of us left >girl who's been acting devious as shit >my best friend >me >best friend is stoned out of his gourd, I think he was even nodding off >his turn comes up, and his vote will make the game >make a proper statement about how said girl is the werewolf >he chooses to execute me >werewolf eats him >ask him why he was such a stupid motherfucker >"I just trusted her more, man"
Fuck you too, buddy. If you'd been paying attention, you would have known, because it was fucking clear as day. And then it comes down to a matter of trust, and you pick the shiftiest player in the fucking over your BEST FUCKING FRIEND.
And that's the first time I learned that traditional games are a very good way of laying bare the things that move people. That dude isn't a friend anymore. Not because of that game, but it's the first time I can recall questioning that friendship.
If you want to know what your friends are really like, sit down and play a game with them. Wasn't the last time a friend's disfunctional behaviour became clear as day, while I never would have questioned it in real life.
>>44669763 I love me a toke, but weed and roleplay don't work together. Some players might not even be able to read their fucking characters sheets anymore. Though, I'm a lot more social and talkative when I'm high, so if a player can prove they play better while baked the by all means.
Though, after the game.? Whole other story. Hail Mary Jane,
>>44671292 Good Lord man, I don't support using drugs, but why do you have to be a busybody who sics the state on "criminals" who aren't hurting anyone? Petty tyrants like you are the real degenerates, your obsession with controlling everyone is what's bringing Western civilization to its knees.
>Be a consumer of cannabis >Go to a friend's house to play some DnD >Ask if they object to me smoking. >Yes, because one player is allergic, the other is a federal employee. >Ask if they mind me smoking outside. >No, just don't it blow into the house. >Step out every hour or so to take a puff, making sure I am down wind of any open windows, while talking in through them between hits. >Every thing went better than expected.
I may smoke pot, but I am no stoner. It's not a lifestyle, it's not a creed, it's my preferred vice, nothing more.
A little courtesy, a couple easy questions, and it's no problem.
Even if they had said "No smoking, period" I'd be ok with that. It's not like doing a few hours without a hit is going to be the end of the world, I can just smoke up when I get home.
>>44676955 >>44677974 >>44678307 ENGLISH MOTHAFUCKA DO YOU SPEAK IT?! Who am i kidding of course you do. >tfw every group is a bunch of kids gaming with their parents >tfw too young to have kids and too old to be a kid
>>44678485 Why sir, I do believe my prowess in the bards tongue to be self-evident. What me and my compatriots were debating was the shocking fact of seeing an old photograpth of one of Brazils greatest and most well known musicians, at least in country, used as an OP picture in /tg/. It is mind bogling, I dare say.
>>44674110 Not quite as bad, but similar experience.
>Stonerfriend wants to play "high D&D" >We say no, since the rest of us don't smoke, or have any interest in smoking. >"But C'MOOOOOON." >no >next session >he shows up to DM's house smelling like a garbage truck >"Hah, I got high THEN came, so Im still having fun!" >spends half the game asleep >spends half the time he's awake and paying attention rummaging through the DM';s kitchen for Cheetos. As in he'll get up without a word while the DM's mid-sentence and start digging through his cupboards looking for Cheetos >Has to keep being told that the DM doesn't have Cheetos, and he wouldn't be allowed to have any if he's not going to fucking ask >The time's he's finally playing are interrupting someone to explain to us what CUH-RAZY and HEEELARIOUS LOLRANDOM idea he has that we should do >All the ideas are either retarded(get the dragon to smoke weedlmao) or impossible(steal a NASA space shuttle and go to Mars...in Not!LotR fantasy-land). >Ends up beign the worst fucking session we've had to deal with >Stonerfriend told not to bother showing up if he's high. >He apparently thinks we're joking because he just laughed >Shows up high again next week. >DM opens the door to let him in >Slams the door in his face when the wave of stink hits him >Stonerfriend spends the next hour banging on the door trying to get us to let him in, even banging on the windows where we can see him >Only leaves when the DM pretends he's calling the police.
>be stoner among peers >everyone gets the wicked idea to play some d&d while high af >the couch-surfing hobo who never pays for weed says he'll DM a homebrew game >I suggest that I pick up the rulebook >everyone cheers hobo
a few weeks later...
>pop in for a smoke session >tell everyone I have surprise; pull out D&D 5e PHB >"I have folders and paper and pens. I could only afford one set of dice..." >"But Anon, hobo is running the game, right hobo?" >"Yes. I am taking the spell list and modifying them for a supers game." >All of them? >"Yes."
A few weeks later...
>come by to smoke again >hobo has been forced to move out after months of financial drainage >ask them how the game went, having already run two or three myself >"We didn't get to play. Would you still run for us?" > ... Sure. >"I want to play a half-dragon fae that levels up and turns into a dragon..." >Like a sorceror? >"No, she's a fairy, remember?" >"I want to play an orc monk that can shoot ki blasts..." >Okay. >"I also want to be blue." >Uhm... >"I want to be a time wizard." >... >"Do they have a ninja that I could multiclass into?"
>>44678485 I read and write it, but my speaking skill is somewhat rusty. I do assure you my vocabulary is quite appropriate for any subject, unless it pertains to middle english, which reads like drunken gibberish for me.
>>44679438 Oh my! It certainly is! It does confirms how the digital noosphere can be such a small place.
I tend to be high while playing with my D&D group none of them seem to really care, i don't know if it just because its over Skype so they can't smell it or if you just like to bitch. But either way i can understand being annoyed if someone shows up to your house reeking of weed and to stoned to even focus but other then that if they can play just fine who gives a shit if they want to play stoned.
>>44671292 >Theres nothing jerkish about throwing a degenerate to the police. Actually yes, there is. This is the definition of a "jerk move"
Drugs come in all forms and shapes, from caffeine to alcohol. Some are legal, some aren't. your government says weed is illegal, and yet cigarettes and alcohol aren't. Calling the cops based on what someone chooses to put in their system is pretty "jerkish".
Its not for you to judge if someone is "degenerate" or not. Personally I think you're a degenerate nark, but I wouldn't let that judgement interfere with your life. If you choose to be a jerk, thats your prerogative.
Alcohol is far more detrimental to a game than weed ever will be. Why aren't you guys angry about that?
Life is like eating sugar. it tastes sweet, but in the end its just sugar and its kind of grainy and boring. taking drugs is like having a bar of chocolate or a fancy desert. Its more fun and pleasant to eat. You dont need drugs to have fun, but life is even more fun on drugs.
Games especially are much better high. you get into character more deeply, your immersion in the story-line is heightened.
Everyone is different, including stoners. Some are douchebags who would never be great in a game even straight, some are hardened veteran smokers who you wouldn't even notice are high. There's a wide variety. Just dont invite people you dont like to your games and you'll be fine. Its not rocket science. Choose your group carefully or you will have a negative experience.
>>44678684 So you must be addicted to water right? Physical addiction has very specific and clearly laid-out parameters. Things like Heroin and opiates are actually addictive. Weed is not. Your body does not "crave" weed. You wouldn't mind getting high, the same way an average person wouldn't mind a coffee, but its not a physical addiction.
>>44683874 >Weed is not. Your body does not "crave" weed. You wouldn't mind getting high, the same way an average person wouldn't mind a coffee, but its not a physical addiction. I mean you say this, but I know a guy who gets violent if he doesn't smoke for more than a day, and who stole my stuff to support the habit. I thought he was addicted to something harder if he resorted to theft, but no, it was weed.
>>44683773 Smoking weed doesn't harm another person though. Its the exact opposite of murder: You're more likely to be relaxed and want to avoid violence.
Laws are a set of rules put in place by your government. Some are good, some aren't. You dont report people who are parking in a 5 minute zone for more than 5 minutes do you? of course not, you let the parking wardens deal with it. If you do report them, you're a pretty spiteful human being who should probably see a psychiatrist.
>>44683907 Some people are naturally like this. Being high just mellows them out. Weed is not a physical addiction. Feel free to prove me wrong with any kind of scientific study.
With a physical addiction every cell in your body craves the substance. Its not just "in your mind" its actually happening at the cellular level. That's why heroin junkies feel violently ill if they dont have their fix every 6 ish hours.
Note that weed is not listed in the list of drugs that cause physical dependence.
I don't need to try weed because I abhor the idea of losing control of my mental faculties. Perhaps is it simply because I am blessed with a greater allotment, and as such, have more to lose compared to the average stoner. Or perhaps I am perfectly average in intelligence. Either way, I would still have a lot to lose compared to you drug addicts.
As for alcohol, I don't do that either, and am equally pissed when players are drunk. So don't try to pull that on me.
Weed smells terrible and makes people behave obnoxiously. It also happens to be against the law where I live. As such, I have a pretty reasonable excuse to report them, as I am eliminating negative behavior that is unlawful.
By reporting him, I make my community an objectively better place.
>>44684061 >Weed is a drug So is alcohol So is tobacco So is caffeine
"Drug" didn't become a negative word until this century. Pharmacy's were called "drugstores" back in the day.
Illegal drugs are just a list of chemicals that lawmakers decided were too dangerous. They seemed to skip over alcohol and cigarettes because they're so ingrained in society.
>scum like you You must be a pretty nice person. Please continue to judge me even though you have never met me and know nothing about my life.
>>44684026 >psychological addition Just a way of saying "things you're conditioned to enjoy" You are psychologically addicted to traditional games, but its not a big deal. You can make yourself love or hate almost anything with enough repetition and reinforcement.
>>44684142 >Just a way of saying "things you're conditioned to enjoy" You are psychologically addicted to traditional games, but its not a big deal. You can make yourself love or hate almost anything with enough repetition and reinforcement. Yeah, if I knew someone who was doing TTRPGs to the point that it was ruining them I would try and make them stop. Same thing with weed.
I haven't found someone who plays TTRPGs to that point, but I have known several people who have done weed to that point.
I saw it most prominently back in college. I could tell you stories, but you'll discount them as simply being bad folks and it not being the weed's fault. The thing is that brings a host of bad argumentative practices that we should avoid. There is a stereotype against weed users, it's caused by the media primarily, but the caricature originated for a reason.
>>44684093 >he needs to alter his state of mind to have fun that was not the summary of my post though.
it was that "things are more fun high".
>>44684120 >makes people behave obnoxiously not even close to true. Alcohol makes people far more obnoxious. I hope you report drunks too. "Officer! that man drank a beer! arrest him" You should look at Buddhism, it gives some pretty good ideas on letting people live their lives how they want to, as long as their choices dont interfere with others. Trust me, interfering with someone else's life is always a jerk move.
Trust me when I say, that if alcohol were illegal, I would report people. I hate drunks just as much as I do stoners. Unfortunately history has told us that banning alcohol is the one thing worse than having it be legal.
Faggot ass stoners. I have 3 people that smoke weed when they play pretty regularly. But they know how to handle themselves when they're high. Shit one of them smokes strait Iso hash 24/7. Personally it's up to the smoker. If they're going to muck things up because they're missing initiative checks etc I inform them no more smoking. My 3 are good though. I don't personally smoke. I just make $ off you stoner faggots running an 1800 watt flowering room. Bring in 800-1200 a week. While you stoner faggots are all dude weed lmao and broke as shit. Hell I have one that literally can't afford to buy his college books this semester. But he brings on average 150 bucks a week like fucking clockwork. Non legal state btw. >>44684222 Get on netflix and watch the Movie Lawless. My grandpa was a shiner back in those days and his stories pretty much summed up the general events in that film. It's a decent watch and worth the hour+. You'll at least get a good general idea of how alcohol prohibition was when it was in effect.
I don't think telling someone 'No, you may not do an illegal thing around me' is really hurting them. If anything, it's the opposite as it's helping prevent any chance of them getting in legal trouble.
>>44684260 >breaking them People have smoked weed since the dawn of time. Why should they stop because the law says so?
Of course hard core stoners like to lobby and try for change, but most of us just want to live our lives. Its unlikely you'll ever get caught for smoking weed, unless you're dealing large amounts, you can spend your entire life smoking weed without an issue. Unless some tool reports you of course.
Lets get to the core of my argument: >If someone is hurting others, they're in the wrong. If not, you're in the wrong for hurting them. Reporting someone for doing something they enjoy that doesn't hurt others is hurtful, especially if it leads to legal complications and the loss of a job.
>>44684326 Tiredness is far more lethal on the road than any substance. Should they make a law saying that anyone who has had less than 6 hours of sleep isn't allowed to drive?
>>44684317 >They should have found something to enjoy that wasn't illegal. Oh great, lets get shit faced with this bottle of Jack Daniels! that will make the game so much more fun! and its totally legal!
>>44684324 The way people are using the word "addiction" strongly indicates they mean "physical addiction" Most of them have no understanding of how real addictive substances work. Alcohol and morphine are addictive, and yet both are completely legal. Alcohol contributes to more deaths than all other drugs combined each year, and yet no one seems to care.
>>44684355 >They are interfering in my life Remove them from your life then. You dont have to hang out with people you dont want to. Complaining without suggesting a solution is called "winging", and no, imprisoning your stoner acquaintance is not a good solution.
Obnoxious behavior is down to the person. Every stoner I know is more relaxed while high. Its commonly accepted that weed mellows you out. Your buddy is probably just a tool.
If the smell of something is enough for you to send someone to jail, you should really look at your life and your alignment. Once again this comes back to the specific person. if they're not sensitive enough to realize you guys dont like them smoking weed at the table, they're just a tool. Its not always "weeds fault" some people are just obnoxious, and being high makes them worse.
>>44684412 >>44684422 I agree, but the law doesn't always reflect whats right for people. Prohibition on weed is one of those laws that just doesn't make sense. Its a natural plant that grows in the ground, it makes people more relaxed, it makes people want to stay home, play video games and eat food. Whats not to like? It makes people into better consumers than alcohol does, and doesn't kill anyone in the process.
>Sheltered autists throw a tanty because something smells bad Dont be THAT guy. Use your words, communicate and get a solution. Take control of your life and omit the people that bring you down. Or just continue to whinge about it on 4chan.
But I have removed them from my life, that is literally what I did.
Once again. They were committing unlawful, harmful behavior. As such, I am justified in having reported them. If they didn't want to go to jail, they shouldn't have gotten caught up in an illegal activity. Anybody confronted with the chance of smoking weed can say "Nah, that is illegal. I think I'll pass."
This person chose to break the law, as such they cannot complain when it comes back to bite them.
>>44684503 Its still harmful to them to report them. Interfering with someone's life is always a dick move. Imagine a world where masturbation is illegal (like in muslim countries). You wouldn't like me reporting you for fapping. Or would you just go nofap forever because its illegal?
If you were to find it distressing that I was masturbating in a place where it is illegal, than you would be well within your rights to report me.
It may be hurtful to them, but as we have already determined, it is hurtful to me as well. One does not let a murderer off for the reason that they might be hurt for going to prison. For the same reason, one must not let a pettier crime go unpunished, as they are both guilty in the eyes of the law, and in their own way, they are both guilty in the eyes of the victim. The level of crime may be different, but so too are the levels of punishment. One is not put away for life for the crime of partaking in illegal drugs as one would be for murder. By the time they get out, they will have learned an important lesson that one should not do something that is illegal just because it feels good.
>>44684651 No one provided it was done privately on his property or within the bounds of another's with permission. However this was not the case and his intoxicated behaviour in another's home was unwelcome.
>>44671448 There is an alcohol limit that can be easily breached if you're trying to alcohol+play a game that requires any mode of thought process. I mean, I love the stuff, but it's not fair to the game if I get shitty and basically start operating at a 7 year-old's level.
It is the responsibility of the drinker to know his own limit but the effects of alcohol versus THC, in this case, are interesting. A lot my friend's group are marijuana-users (I'm also assuming they don't over-do it, either), not alcohol, and I figure this contributes to their continued ability to play together.
>>44671680 No. I don't smoke indoors. Even if the people I'm over at are ok with me smoking indoors as long as I sit under the kitchen fan or by a window it still feels weird as fuck to do so and I fully expect to have to go outside to do so, but if that's inconvinient I'll just not smoke that night.
>>44671107 That's why I smoke out on my back porch and then brush my teeth/rinse, wash my hands. I dislike the smell, and I do this before the players arrive. Although I haven't bothered smoking in four or five months now.
>>44679080 It isn't, but weed is one of those drugs that attracts people with really boring lives, and those people have absolutely nothing to do but getting stoned and nothing to talk about except previous times that they were stoned.
>>44685807 this argument always pisses me off. Yes, pot can help with certain conditions. So do pain killers, but you wouldn't be ok with someone downing pain killers for recreation. I find it funny stoners always pull out studies like that as if it somehow validates there getting high. Unless they suffer from one of those conditions then it shouldn't matter. It is pot heads and there like that got drugs like Heroin ,Ecstasy and Cocaine outlawed despite there medical properties.
I'm not militant against drugs or the like, I just find a lot of stoners insufferable.
>>44686147 Am I? Ecstasy was used to treat soldiers with PTSD, it helped calm them and help them open up to psychologists so they could be treated. Then some idiots realized 'shit we can use this for fun'. Euphoria became known as Ecstasy and was made illegal.
Same with marijuana, hemp was used in many products and even its oils were used in certain medications. People started smoking it for fun, it got the authorities eyes who declared it illegal.
>>44686227 Care to actually post something of worth or gonna continue just slinging insults?
Every pot head I have met has been insufferable. I think I need to make a distinction, if you smoke pot and it doesn't effect those around you thats fine, my problem is with these idiots who claim there smoking isn't causing any problem and it does. I had a pot head and a pot smoker in a game once. Pot head said he wanted to do pot and asked us to join in. We all said no ,including the pot smoker, and we were subjected to 40 minutes of bitching about how close minded we were and how great pot was. He even tried to light up in the hosts house when he was told not to.
>>44683874 >Have you even tried weed? Yeah. It was fucking disgusting.
Not to mention most of my friends who smoke it are addicts.
>"Wanna hang out?" >Sure, let me just roll up some WEEDLMAO. >"Can you please not?" >Dude, what the fuck, it's just some weed. >"The smell of weed makes me want to gag, can you just wait on it for a bit?" >Ugh, fine. >He starts getting his bag out again 10 minutes later. >"Dude..." >Holy fucking shit it's just some weed. >"Can you just wait an hour?" >Dude, fuck off! >He storms off swearing loudly.
>>44669763 If they wanna do drugs, well, that's their deal. I don't care what they wanna do before game. What matters to me is what happens at the table when I'm running a session. If there's something disrupting the session, we stop and take care fo the problem, then we get back to it once the problem is resolved, even if it is the antics of a player due to drug influence.
Not that hard of a concept, really. At the end of the day, the goal is for everyone to have a good time playing a game together. So long as the player isn't being a cunt about it, sure, smoke weed or get a little tipsy or whatever it is you wanna do.
As entertaining as this thread has been, is drug testing really such a common thing in the US? Like, is that why most Americanskis I've encountered act like you have to be unemployed to have any habits outside drinking and tobacco?
I just find the whole concept really weird. It's not your employer's business what you do in your private life surely...? If you come in still obviously under the influence then sure, they should test and kick your ass. But doing it randomly and ditching people for something that has nothing to do with their work perfomance? That'd probably be illegal here under our discrimination laws.
>>44686641 As you can see by this thread, there is still a stereotype that drug users are always addicts and that it impacts they're work performance. It also makes sense that they do it for govt jobs because it's illegal. Depends on the job, almost all add "we have the right to perform drug tests" to your contract just to cover their ass, but many will almost never do it. You'd see it happen mostly at large companies that frequently hire low income workers who are expected to habitually use drugs, like say the shipping/receiving workers at a medical facility.
I used to smoke cigarettes for about 2 and a half years until I dropped 'em, always was considerate of others. I also smoke weed though I just can't afford to do it as much as I'd like to. I'm a nervous, depressed person with haywire emotions by default, but when I smoke it all equalizes, my moods don't shift and gets stuck as often, and resisting the changes is a lot easier when I'm smoking. Mind you I never smoke until I'm red in the eyes and seeing fucking unicorns neither. Anytime I smoked, it's been considerate (even for my mother who doesn't like me doing it, I do it away from her).
I don't think Weed has a physical addiction component, but I do believe it's not as 100% side-effect free as a lot of LEGALIZE IT people say. I just don't know the extent of it. I mean I've seen people who smoke a shitload of weed act like braindead giggling-for-nothing wastes of space but they were the same before the weed. In comparison, my cousins smoke it erryday as well, but one's an engineer and the other is an animator for children's parties, always fucking working, always doing something and both are highly intelligent.
Weed is one of those things that is a convenient excuse for boring good-for-nothing twats to justify being a boring good-for-nothing twat.
>>44686827 It really seems that way. It makes sense too. Someone boring with no aspirations can't hold a conversation, therefore probably finds it very difficult to socialize, make friends and feel like they belong to a group. People always want to belong to a group, and if you're predisposed to smoking shit, weed is handy because when you get high the inhibitions go rock bottom and you don't speak that much anyway!
When previously you couldn't make friends, suddenly this whole group of high fuckers are finding the single bad pun you know side-splittingly hilarious and they think you're awesome and want you around!
As someone who has aspergers I find it really difficult to strike a balance between going full autist and half-yelling everything my character is doing or saying, and quietly sitting there barely interacting for fear of doing the former. Weed actually brings my focus down enough that I don't end up getting hung up on shit or yelling so it definitely has its place at the table. That said, this is in the UK where we dilute our weed with tobacco and it's illegal to smoke indoors. I imagine if I hit a bong or smoked a purie I'd probably be off my face and totally useless, and the smell would be a lot worse.
>>44678965 What the fuck are you on? Caffeine even have withdrawal symptoms and builds tolerance over time. Faggot.
>>44679218 You can't even differentiate painkillers from non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. You don't know shit about what you are talking about. Maybe you should read more scientific articles and less bullshit like vice.
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