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So you want to watch The Clone Wars (But You Don't Want to Watch the Whole Series)
Pretty much all the shipfag ships
I always got the impression that the Rebs hot-rodded their Y-wings. Rip the plating since it's not all that effective against next-gen blasters and they only plan to use them in the black (where streamlining is for pussies and A-wings), use the saved power and weight to squeeze a few more points out of the sublight engine and overcharge the shields. Swapping out the gunner seat, second pilot's stores, and most of the turret can't have hurt the weight and power supplies either.
I imagine that's the only way the old girls stayed competitive enough to duck the Seinar Scourge.
I see jagged took his older brother's advice when he became emperor.
HOW DOES THE BODY PAINT STAY ON!?!?
>blue sucking on pink's lekku
Are they erogenous zones?
The Rebs locked the turret forward most of the time, but the "gunner seat" is still represented by a turret slot.
Current Ion Cannon Turret mockup:
ATK3, Range 1-2, 4pts, "ATTACK: Attack 1 ship (even a ship outside your firing arc). If this attack hits, the defender receives 1 ion token. Then cancel 1 of your <hit> results."
Cheaper because with my out-of-arc rule it's not throwing as many dice, has a slightly less static damage curve. It cancels AFTER the shot hits, so it might do an ion but no damage vs high-AGI, or an ion and 2 damage vs low-AGI that blanked out.
If I swap the out-of-arc rule to add an evade die instead of remove an attack die it'll go back up to 5 pts, and might anyway because 4pts makes it possible to run 4x 127th Wing Pilots with Composite Beam+Ion Turrets
>tfw no group to play Tales of the Jedi era Old Republic RP
It's all I've ever wanted for years and years now, but every Star Wars RP group I've ever got in contact with only wanted to do GCW
>HOW DOES THE BODY PAINT STAY ON!?!?
They do make water-resistant body paint.
Of course, it's not perfect and whatever paint does fade and flake off is just corrected in Photoshop later.
Theres a twi'lek who got one of them cut off, replaced with a prosthetic, and seemed mostly ok.
Hey /swg/! I'm bouncing around an idea for a post-RotJ Star Wars fanfic based partially on historical events. I wanted the climax to be the Battle of Jakku, and I wanted to know if that's already been covered by NuCanon?
There's also the Battle of Jakku DLC for Battlefront, for what that's worth.
Anyone else disappointed that Jakku was a desert planet before the battle, and it wasn't a temperate world that got Endor Holocaust'd by having a giant space battle above it?
Basically everyone else writing for Star Wars ignored that story and had "brain tails" as slang.
Can you get more special snowflake than pic related?
Ok well let me discuss it a little further: I was listening to Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast and, after hearing the story of Admiral Nelson's pursuit of Napaleon's Egyptian expedition, wanted to tell a similar story as a small Imperial force pursued a large republic fleet en-route to Jakku. However, unless I wanted to contradict established canon it may be better to write in another planet to subsitute for Not!Ottoman Egypt.
Yeah, they went through a few versions of a Jakku like planet of different reasons and biomes in the scripts apparently. Desert was probably easiest to shoot with heavy focus on practical effects. And we all know Star Wars writers have a history of shoddy inertia when it comes to designs.
>not even posting Rey(who barely qualified as Mary Sue anyway)
>Posting an antagonists with an insane degree of flaws
>Isn't even that powerful compared to Darth Vader
You fucked up.
Canonically, Jakku was a huge battle on both sides with major massing by imps over a weapons plant on Jakku but their leadership was over-confident and underestimated how coordinated the New Republic assault would be, resulting in a terrible loss for the Imperial side, including an SSD (and canonically the only other one which exists).
Alright, well I'll keep the basic structure and move it to another planet. Instead of all desert, I'm envisoning one with massive floodplains and agricultural areas surrounded by vast dunes, ala the Nile agricultural focus.
Why do Sith get all the cool shit and Jedi only use a normal straight handled saber, or maybe a normal saber + a slightly smaller saber if they want to get creative?
TFU had guys using lightsaber pikes. One of them was even a jedi. There was also one that used lightsaber tonfas, but I swear I remember seeing those in other stuff, not just TFU.
They follow a cable which makes a core that the plasma emanates from instead of being a contained blade like a regular saber is.
In-context answer: Melee combat isn't really what being a jedi is about. It's just a symbol of their order, more than anything. Signifies discipline and stuff. The Sith are much more about personal expression and their fighting styles are one area where this shows up.
Real answer: because every writer wants their villain to be different somehow, and the laziest possible way to go about it is to tack on some weird toys.
You know, I'm surprised no-one has photoshopped Ben to look mulatto.
Jedi Temple Guards in canon use double bladed lightsabers in best blade color
>best blade color
That doesn't look orange to me.
Has anyone wielded a lightsaber one handed with a pistol in the other hand?
Or made lightsaber bayonet/lightsaber gunblade?
What kind of ranged weapon would you employ against a lightsaber user so you don't get a blaster bolt deflected into your face? Can lightsabers stop a slugthrower bullet?
Flechette guns fuck up Jedi something fierce.
>What kind of ranged weapon would you employ against a lightsaber user so you don't get a blaster bolt deflected into your face?
Sonic weaponry. Don't hurt as much but they can't reflect it.
Legends kind of waffles on the subject of slugs. Don't think Canon has commented on it.
In FFG, the game has a note that Reflect only works on attacks which could reasonably be deflected by a Lightsaber, such as blasters - scatterguns, flamethrowers or grenades. F&D DOES have Cortosis-Jacketed rounds though, so you can shoot lightsabers with disabling weapons then follow up with a regular shot.
You know, the main fan theory back in '81-'82 was that the "other" Yoda mentions in ESB was, in fact, Lando.
>Lucky son of a bitch
>Charismatic and oddly persuasive
>Shows up on-camera almost immediately after yoda says it.
>Has a cape
Leia was barely on the radar.
...speaking of which, the vicious battles between the 2L shippers and the H/L crew are absolutely hilarious in hindsight.
Mods are asleep, post Twi'leks
I'm surprised at how hard it is to find good Dooku art. TCW Dooku kind of didn't get it, I feel.
It's really too bad there isn't a ship he could have been included on, although I guess we got Kyle and Jan with an A- and B-Wing so anything's possible.
Did I get it thematic enough at least?
I thought that the Empire (Imperial Remnant, rather) only still controls the core, and is crippled by reparations and sanctions that the New Republic have put on them. The First Order is a load of people inspired by the Empire, and who have most of their shit stashed away in the unknown regions. Starkiller was just scratching the surface of what they've got.
Sometimes scratch builds just don't want to happen. Cutting new wings for the howlrunner, my last knife blade snapped and now won't score with enough detail to make neat enough cuts into the plastic card.
Guess I can continue work on it tomorrow..
Oh yeah, that Dooku looks awesome. I really like the ability, and the artwork is pretty well framed.
Personally, I was hoping for a Jerec on both the Decimator and the Raider. Still, as FFG run out of the sparse new stuff from TFA, I've still got my fingers crossed for best inquisitor to make an appearance.
I thought about something that would reward you for getting 1 ship (and 1 ship only) in your firing arc, but
>he tends to take multiple people on
>he tends to get REALLY good hits (Anakin in AotC, the ledge on Obi-Wan in RotS)
He's not exactly nimble enough in the acrobatic sense to be a maneuver crew.
>the artwork is pretty well framed.
God, this was a pain. It's a book cover, and the title text is RIGHT above his head, plus a little bracket or something on the right that extended way too far below it.
I'm just glad we got Mara on the Decimator. Fingers crossed Jerec shows up in Rebels or something.
no Thrawn in the Raider
Bought the Gozanti tonight for X-Wing. Trial game with a friend, at 100 points, had a good amount of fun. It seemed like it didn't have enough firepower for its cost but I imagine that's less of an issue in actual Epic games?
What's best to put in my Gozanti? Mini TIE-Swarm? Bomber Strike Wing? Advanced Assault Squadron?
Reminder that the Gozanti LOVES Fleet Officer, it doesn't take stress and you can combo with Automated Protocols. Fanfuckingtastic for deploying ships with a F+TL stack, since the Gozanti moves near-last and can get your low-PS ships in TL range.
Erm... There was this one with
Ashokagetting knocked up, but not by Anakin. Instead its some other padawan who gets zerg rushed and then knifed to death in a battle. Only a bit of actual sex, and that takes place right at the start, rest of the story is pretty short as well.
I'll try and find it for you, if you want?
That last item >is< kind of a defining character trait for one of the participants.
As well as virtually all of the authors..
Shouldn't that be "at least" one damage?
Y'think FFG will ever put these in X-Wing?
>Not familiar with that acronym, what's it mean?
Focus/Target Lock, I imagine
Oi, Howlfag, I ran the pics of your failed shots by another casting buddy of mine. He suggested dusting the mold with a little talcum powder, if you have any. Apparently it helps break up the surface tension of the resin a bit, in a way that the petrochem mold releases don't, and lets the resin flow into spaces it wouldn't otherwise. Gonna dig up one of my more notoriously shitty molds and see how it works out tomorrow.
>my last SFW Twi'Lek pic...
sappy, I am completely fine with. I even would say that I sometimes like it.
it's just that I can't do preg stuff. ESPECIALLY the disturbingly popular fanfic genre of "woman getting pregnant by guy who's dead/otherwise gone so that MC falls for her while being caring".
no, really. NCIS, CSI and to a lesser degree doctor who are FILLED with itit just SLAMS my panic buttons like it's a bloody missile boat.
Almost certainly not, what with the raider and their general allergy to Republic/Clone Wars expansions.
Hopefully at some point. That and the YT-2000 would be fantastic
not personal, but I can't articulate a reason. it's honestly not unlike my fear of heights; some part of my lizard brain is just crosswired in a certain way.
the thing is, I'm happy with my girlfriend and fully intend to have children in the future, and I don't have a problem with pregnancy in general, not at all. just it in romance.
maybe it's old-breed monogamous instincts that don't like the classic "love-commitment-pregnancy" cycle being out of order, I dunno
also spam stun blasts. from canon material (clone wars 3d) the best you can do against them with a saber is dissipate the blast. which is way better than deflected friendly fire. and in legends stun blasts were exceedingly difficult to block because weird ring.
>maybe it's old-breed monogamous instincts that don't like the classic "love-commitment-pregnancy" cycle being out of order, I dunno
Those are your natural anti-cucc instincts in action.
Pay attention to them, keep them strong, beat the Jew media mind control
Thanks, I will probably do that on the next mould I make. Still have to make new wings though, I want to make scribed wings that are a bit thicker (1mm instead of .5) this time. Also making a 2 part mould with cannons fulling encased in the lower mould (will have a mould line like pic related). Any thoughts on this line?
Also, might be good not to call me howlfag, while I have no problem with such names (sandgroperfag has been a common one for me for years in /tg/ related discussion) there was already a howlrunnerfag for sometime in these threads and things could get confusing. Also, I am a modelfag that makes more than just howlrunners, but am new to this scale so this Howlrunner is really my testing the waters.
If you want, seems that there aren't any other scratchbuilders these days on here, so I guess that would work.
Also, does anyone have any good tools for designing layouts of freighters in Star Wars? I think I have some graph paper sitting in my supplies closet somewhere, but something that has the basic design rules of different manufacturers would be nice if one exists.
Yeah, no. The Nebula is much stronger. It can wreck ISDs on it's own and can survive one on one with SSDs. And it's only barely over 1000 meters. It's the Star Wars version of the Defiant.
I've recently been getting the impression that the ISD was pretty "average" for a capital ship that size. More and more ships keep coming up from the woodwork that could smash them to bits in 1v1's or in very small gangs.
Should've included scenes of Jedi generals as 'guardians of peace and justice'. The Clone Wars were nothing like Kenobi's idealization, except his friendship with Anakin (mostly because of TCW and EU making it real though). Jedi were equally hypocritical and warmongering as the Sith by the end of all it and it'd fit perfectly with that video.
The ISD was the baseline established in the movies, and in the grand tradition of the EU every other writer tries to top the 'baseline' model because power creep. And considering the design philosophy behind a Star Destroyer was to subjugate a star system more or less by itself if needed, that's some strong power creep
Well yeah if you get like a thousand corvettes you could wreck an Executor.
The ISD was an 'enforcer' type ship. It kept the peace and order of the Empire but it wasn't built for war. The Nebula was built for war and taking down Imperial Remnants. It's also why by the time the Imperials become an ally of the New Republic/Galactic Alliance and the Vong got brought down the NR/GA resort to using ships with a similar design philosophy to the ISD instead of the NSD.
I suppose it's kinda like HMS Dreadnought. Every ship built after that was designed to be better than the Dreadnought, until you get up to the Yamato and people stopped building battleships in favor of carriers
sure. it doesn't make ANY FUCKING SENSE; freighters and larger, they seem to have taken the old WEG cargo number (in tons) and converted it to encumbrance, which completely shits the bed if you want to say haul a crate of 20 rifles in your light freighter, and for fighters (and some freighters with minimal canon cargo space) they just seemingly made whatever the fuck they felt like up.
there's no consistency and it shits the bed the second you try to do anything BUT barely fit a party's worth of personal gear into a YT-1300, is basically the problem.
honestly, I'd just ignore it and dig up the old WEG cargo amounts should it become relevant
I ignore Encumbrance completely unless its rules regarding how much a person can carry.
I treat the Ship's Encumbrance as number of cargo crates - and what a crate can carry is limited by the dimensions of a crate.
The Star Destroyer design does have some massive compromises due to holding two regiments of stormtroopers, a portable fortress, 20 AT-AT's and a bunch of TIE fighters and landing ships.
A battleship that is also a carrier and an assault ship would be wrecked by a pure battleship of a similar size in a straight fight. But the SD is still vastly superior to most ships.
Um... Yeah actually he could, he reads Luke's mind from a distance in VI and extracts all the details about his sister and in V when Lando leads them to the trap at dinner Vader just tells Han's blaster bolts to talk to the hand. The only thing that was preventing him from stopping it midair was the technology of the time and the fact there would be no point to show off.
Are you actually a Star Wars fan?
>reads Luke's mind from a distance
maybe more simple stuff? like I thought of an enhancement for ships that makes them basically invisible or a synthetic virus that can contaminate ships and dissolve itself after the job is done, but both ideas are problematic, also keep in mind that it's made by an Arkanian research facility.
Are you two trolling?
A bomb is fairly simple.
If you want a doomsday weapon, have someone reinvent the Mass Shadow Generator
not a meme im familiar with
No? Im guessing its a book. Who wrote it?
I don't want a doomsday weapon, I want something elegant and technologically cool, that can powerup a terrorist group to a point where it's causing a successful hindrance to the Republic but does not amount the need for full scale war.
....then have them be a terrorist group with connections who feed them the intel they need to further their goals, while simultaneously helping them avoid being caught.
They don't need a gimmick, a power up, a super weapon, just a few highly placed sympathisers/allies.
Have them based on some unremarkable world, with some unremarkable ships to travel in, but with a vicious streak a parsec long/wide.
>elegant and technologically cool
>hindrance to the republic
>NOT enough for a war
Stygium Cloaking Device?
Considering your referring to "Republic" - I can guess this is pre-empire? If so, then cloaking devices small enough for attack ships - patrol boats and heavy fighters - could be a real hindrance, but also technology worth capturing.
Also, I have a campaign canon explanation for Stygium Crystals - that being, Stygium Crystals are technically lightsaber crystals, forged in extremely nasty darkside saturated environments - which makes a stygium cloaking device detectable by Jedi (as a phantom wailing-of-the-damned) even if they can't see it - it also produces a black lightsaber if the crystal is put into one.
Just a thought anyway
A rogue slicer has invented a virus which usurps droids, turning them into sleeper agents. It is at least capable of being subtly transmitted from one droid to another, without either knowing.
I love Jarael. Unfortunately she's one of a kind hybrid.
Well I dont have any other ideas, so good luck
>Considering your referring to "Republic" - I can guess this is pre-empire?
Yeah campaign is set 958 BBY
I like your idea btw, I'll try to see if I can incorporate this.
This is good and I might include it somehow anyway but I need something that would help them raid trading routes
>This is good and I might include it somehow anyway but I need something that would help them raid trading routes
Knowing where and when convoys are going to be is the most important part of raiding a trading route, after all.
>but I need something that would help them raid trading routes
Hyperlanes and Trading Routes are pretty well defined. Also, you can't change direction in Hyperspace, which means you need to revert to Realspace for course corrections. Considering safety, stops are done near civilized systems along hyperspace routes to maximize the chance that a ship can get help if its hyperdrive fails.
A system is pretty big, containing a full solar system of planets.
That means, that if you drop out of Hyperspace in the mass shadow of a System, you wont be inside the system - you'll be on the edge - and have to traverse the system to the other side to re-engage your hyperdrive.
During that time, a pirate attack is most likely, assuming the world isn't heavily patrolled. A major hyperlane will probably have some security - a small hyperlane likely wont, depending on where the world is. Space is Dangerous.
Pre Empire Hyperlanes, the security is probably for-hire, and as such, wont do shit for you unless you pay them or already have (like an insurance business). Core Worlds are likely different, because its the core
that would be arranged without anything new technologically, my terrorist group is behind the scenes influenced and led by Darth Zannah and Cognus and they have an underground network of information retrieval and spies not unlike the one Bane had, also Cognus is way too good at predicting the future I'm sure organizing terrorist actions won't be a problem.
Not likely. We didn't get a Mist Hunter preview yesterday, so I'd say 4 weeks minimum (1 for each preview, 1 for the wrap-up preview, and 1-2 for ships to actually make it to stores.
Same reason its full of not Vaders, and full of superweapons that try to one up the Death Star (hell, even TFA fell for that)
Every writer wants to make their own SD, but its better because reasons. Plus its a very distinctive and menacing profile so it works as a visual reference. Hell, the fact the Clones used them was part of their set up as "this is going to end badly for the Republic"
>pseudo ISD looks
>built in shadow mass field for interception
>actually it's utter shit compared to ISD and only was relevant because of time gap between two eras.
That's how you make not SD the right way.
I can't forgive that massive gap in the middle. Your opening a hole direct into the rear of the ship, and with how strong fighters are in Star Wars the last thing you want is to open a gap for them to exploit
Quick, /swg/, you're my only hope.
For an upcoming Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion game I've built an alcoholic agitator from Alderaan who can't shoot or stab worth a damn but can convince and lie to a stormie to shoot himself in the head.
I've been given 3,000 credits, and apart from the basics of a comlink, knife and armour, what should I get for her?
How come the New Republic doesn't help Leia and her Resistance? Weren't they the reason that the Republic even got back on it's feet. Bunch of basic bitches.
They'd been at war for decades at that point, and they didn't want people shitting on the Republic for being as bad as the Empire. If the Imperials wanted to fuck off to unknown space and jack off or whatever, the Republic wasn't going to go tell them no
As for the Resistance, its a bunch of bored pilots and former Rebellion officers who can't let go of the glory days. Throw them some credits or mothballed fighters for old times sake, but don't commit anything officially
The New Republic signed a peace-treaty with the Imperial holdouts and settled into a semi-comfortable cold-war with them. The Resistance is perceived as a dumping-ground that lets people who don't trust the Imps to abide by that treaty self-select out of the 'sane' military to indulge their 'paranoia' and keep an eye on the bad guys. They're seen as the kind of nuts who can't let go of the past, who still keep trying to fight a war that's been over for decades... but when someone as high-profile as Leia Organa Solo decides she's not going to trust a scorpion to keep its word, you can't exactly lock her in a looney-bin.
About to start my biennial TOR playthrough with my friend, where I promise to commit and then burn out at 15 while he takes his guy to cap. He's going Bounty Hunter and I'm thinking of Imperial Agent because the story is apparently one of the best. Can you confirm this /swg/? Mostly in it for a good narrative.
You ever went into spaceship design in kerbal space engineers? Center of mass is important to stop your ship spinning uncontrollably or breaking in two when you fire the main engine.
TIE's have always been a case of gotta go fast and shields too slow, its part of their DNA
Just look at the new TIE/sf, that thing was enlarged and rigged for ground support work, and instead of shields it just got more gun
I'd love to see a character in the films who was a pilot in the Empire (fingers crossed for Fel expy) who complains about how easy they have it now.
>These first order pansies don't know they've been born! When I was flying TIEs, you had an engine, some guns, and a seat in the middle for you to sit on. You had to wear a spacesuit just to be able to breathe, and if you sneezed too hard, the whole thing shattered into a thousand pieces!
>God those days were fun.
Yeah, god knows where they found the room for missiles though.
It's one sexy piece of kit, and I really hope it turns up in X-wing one day. A TIE that can shoot backwards and pack ordnance
I'd love to see more veterans of the old Empire turn up
Ultimate dream never going to happen appearance is of course Admiral Thrawn leading a First Order invasion of Republic space
Hell, my current theory as to why Phasma is allowed a name is she became a living legend to the average stormtrooper after surviving most of the major battles following Endor and managed to escape with the Remnant
The Empire took decades to figure out how to rig a shield to a TIE without sacrificing mobility, a remnant is likely to just stick with what they know works and just pile into their existing designs advantages
Well, for either side it'd be neat to see veterans of the Rebellion that aren't the main characters.
An ex-Imperial pilot trying to adapt to how the Republic does things would be interesting actually. Plus the whole "oh hell yeah, an X-Wing, I've wanted to try these for years!"
Currently in a post KOTOR II era campaign, we actually ran into Zayne. Poor fucker had somehow wound up in a carbonite block as part of a Hutt hoard, we thawed him out and he got nervous because carbonite sickness and being on a shipful of Jedi
Somewhat peeved he didn't invite us to the 'Gryph's restaurant on Coruscant in return for getting him out. But then the last time we went there we got into a street battle with Mando thugs and a Hutt with guns for arms
Why is this so fucking strong? How are normals supposed to compare to a motherfucker chucking AT-ATs around with only 2 pips?
Which do you prefer?
The old logo for the New Republic, from the EU.
Or the NR logo from the new EU (good a term as any, I suppose)?
I'd like to see it on a proper flag, but its certainly more impressive than the old one. Bit bright on the colours, but going red and black is a bit too old Empire.
New one looks like a clean break from the old days
Because unless you have the Hurl upgrade too it's pretty slow, steady movement like lifting the X-wing out of the swamp
Plus it costs like 30xp to be able to lift a fighter-sized object, let alone a fucking walker
I don't like how either incorporates the Alliance Starbird. The Rebel Alliance and the New Republic should be two separate things. The New Republic is supposed to be the government of the galaxy, and many New Republic worlds had nothing to do with the Rebellion.
The New Republics military should have the Starbird, to represent the people who fought to bring the New Republic in power. The Symbol of the New Republic should be something to represent the whole galaxy, whether they fought or not.
But thats just my opinion
Prefer this one. The New Republic means business, Imperials better step the fuck down
Also Disney canon is shit by default, even more so with that piece of 90s-esque graphic design
That's a solid point. Hrm, what would you have instead?
I mean, the symbol of the old Republic was that roundel that was supposed to represent the presence of the beneficent Force. Then when Palps took over, he chopped two of the spokes off to make his own symbol.
>Also Disney canon is shit by default
While I generally agree, I do think that Mon Mothma's choice of demilitarizing the New Republic makes sense as something she would do. She was the Senator and representative of Chandrilla, which is a pacifist planet of philosophers .
Plus, while George didn't write the new lore, he has shown time and again that the highest morality in Star Wars, on a political level, is Pacifism, and represents many pacifist societies as the ultimate goodguys. So again, it makes sens that the New Republic would attempt to make a galactic nation with no military power, and try to de-emphasize military power in general. Plus, its a kneejerk reaction to wanting to be as far from the Empire as possible in terms of how you appear to the galaxy.
I dunno - a variation on the Old Republic logo, and something newer. You can use some of the same sorta stylings as the Starbird (notably wings and a central spear) - just that it isn't exactly the Starbird. But by showing stylings, it can represent that "We are the Old, and The New, and what we are came from the actions of the Brave"
The upgrades go up to silhouette 4 if I'm reading this right, which is the size of a fucking AT-AT walkerand does 40 damage with the appropriate Control power. Isnt that kind of crazy compared to anything the normals can do at that level?
And look where that got them in TFA. Ackbar wouldn't have stood for that shit.
Doesn't ignore soak, a rocket launcher will. Plus you're counting on there being something that size to throw in the area
>So again, it makes sens that the New Republic would attempt to make a galactic nation with no military power, and try to de-emphasize military power in general
Just going from little has been pulled out of the new canon, I get the impression the Republic had dialed back to a Self Defense Force style of military, that spent a lot of time following the capital around as it got shifted between members. Basically just a bunch of cruisers to hang in orbit around the capital world to give the impression of a defence and patrol ships to secure trade lanes
Ackbar didn't stand for that shit, he was part of the Resistance in TFA.
And to be fair to the Republic, knowing that the Empire had fucked off to the unknown reaches is one thing, knowing they'd built a Death Star with interstellar range is another.
Until they fired it I don't think anyone outside the First Order even knew Starkiller existed
>he has shown time and again that the highest morality in Star Wars, on a political level, is Pacifism
Pretty sure that he's simply shown that pacifism gets people killed. Every achievement, every victory the heroes ever gain is because there are people with the balls to step up to the plate and fight the good fight. Remember that Star Wars is heavily inspired by World War II. Appeasement and pacifism didn't work well in the 1930s, and they didn't work well in Star Wars.
>Ackbar wouldn't have stood for that shit.
Ackbar hated war, as did the rest of his race. it may not have occurred to you, but Mon Cal warships were cruise liners before being converted to warships.
The answer is no. On another note, want any River/Mal? I'm swimming in this river of crazy and there's plenty to go around.
>doing my job
Well.... I was asleep, so okay, whatever.
Pacifism being the highest form of morality, and pacifism simply getting people killed aren't mutually exclusive positions. It's why the Jedi are such a contradiction, warriors, diplomats, generals and philosophers
>tfw no female twi'lek with her feelers down like pic related
is it just male exclusive?
It was a let down compared to other Metal Gears, the story looks unfinished as hell. The open world its good the first hours, then gets a tad repetitive. Gameplay in my opinion is really good.
In general, its not bad, really entertaining and the multiplayer what little i spended on it was fun. So get it when its price is a bit down and you'll get it's price worth
He's reduced to a talking head that plays second fiddle to Leia and some random other jackass. They don't even fucking address him by name
There's a difference between hating it but knowing it as a necessary evil, and wilfully blinding yourself to the dangers of leaving yourself defenseless. Ackbar's always been the former.
Blast damage. Trigger Blast with a rocket tube and you're dealing 30 damage or so, maybe more if you spent the 45 xp you'd spend on throwing shit around with the Force on stuff from the Demolitionist spec tree.
Plus there's the whole fact that Force dice give you way worse odds than just pulling the trigger on a Gunnery weapon
Eh, its more complicated then that.
Naboo, Alderaan, Chandrilla, and Mandalore are all shown to be "good guy" planets - peaceful, with benevolent rulers, selfless internal governing, and rather idyllic societies full of happy people.
They become victim worlds to show who exactly the badguys are.
>Deathwatch and Maul are badguys
>you should cheer for them, see?
>gets popped by the deathstar balloon
>see, you shouldn't like the empire
George wasn't making a commentary that fighting is whats good - but that the bad guys are evil because they kill the defenseless good guys
Each of the above worlds were founders of the Rebellion too. (except Mandalore, obviously)
Ackbar would be down for the idea of what the New Republic has become - he probably suggested the idea of Planetary Defense Forces as a compromise to Mon Mothma's total disarmament
>you should cheer for them, see?
I mean't "should'nt"
Fuck this cold kills my finger dexterity
They still had a fleet, they just didn't have the desire to go route out the last fleeing remnants of the empire from a more or less completely unexplored region of space. From the perspective of a war weary democracy it just wasn't worth it, and only a minority believed the Imperials would ever be a threat again. Hell, just look at Poe's face when he's dragged aboard the Star Destroyer, the dude is shocked that the First Order even has such a thing, and he signed up even before that
That depends on how retarded you think she was in the first place.
Compare her to her contemporaries, and those who started the Rebellion - notably Bail Organa and Padme Amidala - both of whom died. She'd want to honor their memory and what they stood for by aligning the new government to what they would wish for.
That being, an idyllic nonviolent state
People barely remember who Bail Organa was, but Ben is a name that even non Star Wars fans know is from the series
Plus doesn't Han jokingly say he'll name his son after Ben in New Hope? Maybe he felt like he owed the old man some recognition
>yfw he outlived Rex and possibly the rest of his brothers
Ya know...that is an interesting point. I never would have thought that maybe Han had a newfound respect for Obi Wan after seeing that he both made way for their escape, and kept the enemy busy so they could get away - buying their freedom with his life.
Han Solo was always supposed to be an honorable man at his core. That sacrifice could have moved him.
>follow pic related for TCW watching
>doesn't even mention Season 6
What the fuck guys?!
Letting someone you know is about to try and kill you shoot first is not honourable, its just stupid.
I have to wait two days to get it, and I'm on the last episode of Season 5.
>It's why the Jedi are such a contradiction, warriors, diplomats, generals and philosophers
The Jedi are only "pacifists" in the sense that OJO in EU media tried to use violence as an absolute last resort. Even then, in the actual films, they're cool with cracking skulls when negotiations fail (and they're contractually obligated to always fail). The Jedi of the OT were just Space Samurai. Then look at the heroes. Han shoots first. Leia is willing to pick up a gun and shoot stormies, and in the canon comics, when she sees Vader, her first instinct is to tell Chewie to take the shot. Luke is a war veteran and a hotshot fighter ace. The pacifism thing can use Vader's redemption as an argument but Luke still fought stormies on Endor. That was more of a case-by-case basis.
Criticized in Legend as sanctimonious, self-righteous people who wrongly attempt to impose their society's values on others. Most Legends Chandrilans were sheltered rich people who didn't have to struggle for a thing in their lives. Canon Chandrila is too sparsely explored for me to use it as an argument, however.
They were largely peaceful, but they and the Gungans still had a standing military.
Not explored well enough yet in canon to say. Legends Alderaanians, however, were a mixed bunch. Many Alderaanian heroes weren't pacifists at all. Tycho, Winter, and Legends Leia got shit done because they were okay with getting their hands dirty.
Pacifism failed on Mandalore.
And Mon Mothma, the most iconic member of Chandrilan society, still led an armed rebellion. The canon Nubian and Alderaanian Rebels weren't pacifists either. Padme and Leia were willing to pick up guns and shoot people. And in Rebels, weren't the CR90s provided by Bail or some other Alderaanian leader?
Pretty sure part of George's message is that pacifism is unfeasible. Sometimes, evil has to be fought.
I'd love to see a Imp TIE veteran and a NR X-Wing veteran try out each others ship for fun. Like how the old WWII fighter aces tried out each others aircrafts after the war to get a feel of how the other side had it.
>but they and the Gungans still had a standing military.
They had a volounteer defense force.
Even Jar Jar makes mention of that he believes the friction between the Naboo and the Gungans is because the Gungans DO have an army (and likely refuse to submit to the leadership of the Naboo Queen)
>NO! Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons!
>mentioning Alderaan expats doing violence AFTER their world got blown up.
Also, Tycho and Leia are special cases. Tycho joined the Imperial Academy and went rogue after Alderaan was blown up - Leia is a skywalker and therefore, reckless and sharing all the traits of her mom.
Pacifism was successful until the Clone Wars, and likely would have continued being successful, had the war NOT fucked up everyones day
The early rebellion leaders wanted a political change, and did not how to bring that about militarily. This is why they practically begged Garm Bel Iblis to join them, and why people like Ackbar were so important. Mon Mothma and Bail were not military leaders, and did not make military decisions - they waited in the wings for the time when an actual govt would rise from the fighting
I only know about Mandolarians through KOTOR and I remember that race being adamant on combat, war and stuff like that. They even praised Revan for smashing them in.
Turns out millennia of getting their fudge packed, ending with getting Mandalore itself glassed, convinced a sizeable faction of people into saying that hey, maybe pacifism isn't such a bad idea.
Granted, their rule is pretty short and its ended during the Clone Wars, but it still happens and makes sense in context.
By modern times, the Mandalorians switched to a pacifist nation after the republic reduced the world to a wasteland
It didn't last past the Clone Wars however
Depends on what you do with it - Naboo didn't fight wars of conquest, and didn't even try to bring the Gungans to heel using force.
Sure sounds like Defense to me, semantics or not - and a nonviolent peaceful society, military or not, does not fight wars of imperialism or expansion.
And thats the point I was making
Well, it's both correct. Bundeswehr is the term for the combined armed forces. The other three terms are for the individual branches: Heer is the army, Luftwaffe the air force, and Marine the navy.
Defense forces usually have constitutional limitations as to when and how they may be deployed.
Yeah well, in Naboo's case, its not the same thing
>Our security volunteers will be no match against a battle-hardened Federation army."
No, its really not.
Its the exact same thing with a different name. The only difference is how the people want to try and present themselves.
Its still an armed force supported by a government for the purposes of defending the nation and its interests. 'Defence forces' can still deploy abroad or undertake offensive actions and armies just called 'Army' can sit at home never bothering anybody.
>Volunteer defense force
Still a military. They had milspec weapons, milspec speeders, milspec starships, and if Galactic Battlegrounds is anything to go by, even flamethrowers. I'd argue that the friction is caused by the Nubians simply not wanting a military competitor on their planet.
>AFTER their world got blown up.
Legends mentions that Tycho wasn't the only Alderaanian who joined military service. Alderaan's government also wasn't full pacifist--their planet may not have had any weapons, but Another Chance and her escorts were built just in case they actually had to fight again. Said ships were owned by the Alderaanian Guard, whose "security force" status nevertheless still allowed them to own milspec capital ships.
Leia may have been a Skywalker, but she was raised as an Alderaanian. Leia's family required that she be trained to fight, even at least in self-defense. Pre-Yavin Legends Leia also ran several missions for the Rebel Alliance, with at least one being a combat deployment.
Raymus Antilles, another Alderaanian, led several combat missions against the Empire as well in Legends.
>Mon Mothma did not make military decisions
One of Garm's reasons for starting his own party was precisely because Mothma was becoming more and more of a control freak. She took leadership roles in the theft of the Fresian X-wing prototypes and the Death Star plans, both of which were military operations. She hired Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors to run missions for the New Republic, and you don't hire Kyle Katarn to do peaceful shit. She also hired Han Solo to raid or infiltrate Imperial bases.
Nope. The one in Rebels was a rough draft prototype. The scrubbed the comp laser in later revisions due to it shorting out the hyperdrive, plus it was probably way to expensive and maintenance-heavy for a line fighter.
Lets just agree to disagree
Naboo is different from Alderaan in that at least they do have a means of defense. However, even before and during the clone wars, Alderaan did too. I imagine their reason for complete disarmament was disgust with how far the republic had fallen (considering how stupid the clone wars was), and to appear as non-threatening to the Empire as possible
They didn't have milspec speeders - they were upgunned speeders with a blaster canon - thats hardly a tank.
I also disagree with your assertion about military competition with the Gungans - everything about Naboo says they would love to have them be friends and get along together - and are thrilled to work together to push the TradeFed off world. You make them sound vaguely fascist.
It also mentions every other warship was melted down into peace medals Also, wtf is three frigates really gonna do if Alderaan needed to fight again? I agree the intention might be what you claim, but if so, its a really bad plan.
(Also, Another Chance was recovered, and apparently filled with junk that made up for the loss at Derra IV - way to go Alderaan)
That sounds like hinky Legends shit, honestly. I'll concede on that point, mostly because I can't fight hinky EU justifications for things.
Believe it or not, but apparently Battle Droids were supposed to be badasses until George literally forgot that fact
Did she score her first capital ship kill and ace dogfighting kills at the age of 10? Does she even Podrace? Can she assemble a protocol droid while enslaved to a flying space jew using just spare parts? How's her mitachondria count? The highest ever? Is she "the one" who will "bring balance to the force"?
No one knows since Disney now seems content on ignoring them, hell outside of episode one their is'nt much mention of them in any new cannon sources, even the old EU is lacking on any really tangible mentions of them.
>Believe it or not, but apparently Battle Droids were supposed to be badasses until George literally forgot that fact
But I don't think a droid army can be battle hardened unless they were used all the time with the same memories.
TCW has an arc which mentions them.
They're conduits connecting the Living Force (ie the Force inside people and other living things) to the Cosmic Force (the Force that binds everything together).
>Battle Droids were supposed to be badasses
Well, after Episode 1 they started giving the droids more individuality so that taking out their command ship wouldn't make them all go offline.
It makes even less sense if you consider that memory wipes were standard procedure for droids.
Unless commanders like OOM-9 didn't get wiped periodically.
Or its just inconsistent writing.
Well, the army as a whole could still benefit from combat experience by optimising the strategical and operational procedures. The individual droids won't get any better, but perhaps the biological commander behind them may eventually learn that "line everyone up in tight rank and file formation on an open field" is not a good idea.
Why do you have such a problem with calling an armed force maintained by a government for national defence a military?
And why did you pretend that not hiding it behind euphemisms means you will use it aggressively?
They also host part of the brain. Cutting them, beside causing major pain, basically lobotomizes the twi'lek.
Thay are also used in a sort of non-verbal language, so the twi'lek must have control of their muscles
yet another case of inconsistency
Why would they be? They're merchants. They don't fight regularly. The only reason they are a major player in the CIS is because of how rich they were. They owned the means of production but otherwise they're as dumb as the Naboo are in terms of war. It's like if two Italian merchant houses went to blows.
>Is the Cosmic Force evil
No. The Cosmic Force isn't evil. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. The Cosmic Force is no more evil than gravity is.
The Cosmic Force creates the Living Force, and the Living Force feeds back into the Cosmic Force in a neverending cycle.
Because not adhering to the distinction makes Naboos Armed Forces sound much more capable then they actually are.
When you use the term Military, suddenly Naboo and Corellia might as well be the exact same - when they aren't.
Also scored with a royalty and went to force heaven despite his crimes.
But then Anakin was an unlikable cunt, wishy washy, prone to angst, an arrogant prick, despite being the first to know what's up with Sheev is still retarded enough to believe his lies, and got his shit fucked up by a rich old fuck with a saber.
At least he's kinda cute.
>So having more Midichlorians than someone else means they're stronger?
No wonder this was story line shunted to the un-aired Season 6. Disney has started over pretty much and has full control of what goes in to the canon. Considering the backlash from fans over the reduction of the force from mystical to science thing they'll probably scrap using them again. Also point to remember, season 6 of clone wars was incomplete and has no been added to any of the official box sets since its release.
>than a planet's entire defense force
How fucking tiny is canon Naboo's military? We only saw on-screen action in and near Theed but I assumed that fighting occurred elsewhere on the planet.
Attuning with a lightsaber crystal only makes it stronger in KotOR2, as a game mechanic.
Yes. But it was so they could keep him there otherwise he'd keep coming back over and over and over again.
At no point has being a Force ghost been described as something akin to going to heaven. Closest you'll get is something along the lines of them simply joining back with the Force.
It was unaired because Disney didn't want to air it on their rival, CN, but they hadn't chosen which of their networks they were going to start doing Star Wars shows on yet. It's still on Netflix.
Not being in a box set doesn't mean they don't support it.
>How fucking tiny is canon Naboo's military?
That is not even slightly the case. All military implies is that its an armed body funded by the government to protect against threats. That can mean a bunch of volunteers to protect a palace or it can mean a system spanning superpower.
There are city police forces even in Europe with more men and a higher budget than some national armies in the real world.
It has everything to do with cash. The show cost like 3 million dollars an episode, and Disney didn't want to pay for that. As for the canon thing, Disney is going to pretty for a while that they've got it under control but don't worry the bullshit will start squeezing in soon enough and we'll have stuff that's just as retarded as the Vong or Waru. That's why I hate this whole "one canon" thing instead of tiers. Books and video games will never have the same oversight as films, especially if they are aimed at young kids. It's not like Disney will bat an eye to overwrite a book with a new film, and I'd be surprised if they don't do just that even within the next 3-5 years. They should be honest with themselves and not pretend that Uprising or a young readers step up book is on the same level as the Force Awakens or even the show in terms of "canon"
Pretty small, and by all accounts they were basically glorified police officers more than anything else. Their heaviest assets were a handful of upgunned land speeders, to give you some perspective
This. The guys you see in the film seem relatively well-equipped by they are essentially the secret service and there's probably only like 20 of them. The rest are all those yellow shirt guys whose training probably consists of "this is the shooty end. Know how to fly a speeder? Well this is the same thing except with a big gun on it. Don't worry your job will pretty much be to keep drunk tourists from getting too rowdy"
>been arguing this point for the last hour
>people post the exact thing im trying to say
I guess I must be shit at getting my point across
The level of quality you see in the finished TCW episodes represents a STAGGERINGLY high budget.
Like Lucas was personally pumping money into it, you'd NEVER see a network do that kind of thing and once TCW was cancelled, they weren't going to get the opportunity to finish them anyway.
Because Disney wasn't willing to spend the money to let them finish it? The episodes they DO have are the ones that were mostly finished. The rest were about to the stage of the Legacy story reels, or even less.
George was pumping huge amounts of money into TCW. Disney isn't giving Rebels anything close to the same budget, despite being almost entirely the same people working on it.
Something like the Maltese military then.
Only 2000 people,12 aircraft and 8 patrol boats in it. Spends most of its time basically doing police/coast guard stuff or guarding important buildings. But its still a standing military.
To be fair, the writing for Rebels is mostly solid and is becoming better faster than TCW did.
It's just that they have a very low budget compared to TCW so they have to be... very, very, economical with what they have.
I'm going to be running a D6 campaign soon with four players set roughly after the events of KoTOR. One character is a bounty hunter, one is his engineer from the guild he's a part of, ones a young merc, and the last is a Jedi Barbarian. I have a general idea of what I'd like to do, but I'm not as familiar with the setting as I probably should be in regards to other GM's. Does anyone have any simple or easy sources for things from that era? I can't use Taris due to the events of the game, but I was hoping to start the game off in kind of that same sorta world, seedy, lower level gang war type area where the players can explore while trying to get their first bounty. Suggestions? Links? Advice? I'd appreciate anything guys.