Think the new ones are going to see play?
Going to a fairly big modern event on Sunday. Should I play complete stompy or incomplete ug infect? My infect deck is missing 1 inkmoth, 1 pendelhaven, might or old krosas and twisted image SB. I could replace krosas with main board dismember, mutagenic growth and/or wild defiance.
Don't know much about the meta.
Are you fucking kidding me? It's not more expensive than Thoughtseize? The price gouging is insane
Might is a shitty card anyway, I only ever run 1 of it in my 75.
As for the missing inkmoth and pendelhaven, you really can't do without those and twisted image is your best way to deal with Zoo and any deck with Skite like tron post board
Stompy is shit though so my advice is don't go unless you just want to have fun
I am interested in making Loam Pox since its fun to play and I have the lands and 4 life from the loam. Is it a decent deck? How does it fair vs a fair deck (BGx, delver etc) meta? A burn /affinity meta?
Most legacy decks are comprised of lands and then modern printed cards so buying them on any online store is fine. As for the lands, ebay is a pretty shitty bet because fakes exist and can't really be stopped so buying from online retailers is the safest way
What were you thinking of playing? ANT and Dredge here
Even elves aren't that much of a thing anymore. Naya CoCo is the best CoCo variant right now, and only a handful play the deck.
Honestly the meta will probably stabilize itself after January 18, everyone's crazy over ban speculations and the new Eldrazi deck, coupled with Oath price speculations
Second match against Abzan Company. Nothing super interesting, 2 for 1'd his late dorks with electrolyze in the first game then combo'd on turn 5ish. Second game won with Free Wins: the Card and combo'd on 5.
not on list
went 4-1 again with mardu midrange today, and 3-2 earlier.
lost to some u/w shackle control with batterskull and consecrated sphinx and wurmcoil, was confused.
beat affinity 2-0
beat bogles 2-1
beat jeskai ascendancy 2-1
lost to uw^ 1-2
beat some red/white kikijiki prison deck 2-1
It's just Tron with early game discard and chump blockers. People flock to it because its made of cheap bulk uncommons and rares.
Now everyone wants to play it, columnists are hyping it up to sell their surplus of Zendikar vs Eldrazi and Eye of Ugins from Modern Masters.
But for real though it eats BGx and most fair decks
It's a very good card. Rip something like Summer Bloom, Pestermite, or other keys to victory for B with no life loss. You also get to see their hand. It's 30 dollarydoos because Wizards didn't reprint it outside of that gay ass 80 dollar Modern event deck.
I play Esper and I have a couple of runed halos in my sb but Halo is not that great vs. Tron. You play Halo for decks that are all-in on one specific way to kill you as a way to punish people for not interacting.
Tron just ticks down Karn to nuke Halo and then goes back to what it was already doing.
Halo is pretty gr8 against Infect or Boggles though. Have you ever lived the dream and cast Halo against Boggles when they have a 17/17 lifelinking trample boggle in play? The salt is amazing.
>Look at unopened Modern Event Deck that I'm giving to my friend for his birthday
I feel like an utter shit for even considering not giving it to him.
I bought the thing for $40 when my store was unloading them. Now there's a single card in it that costs almost as much as I paid for the deck itself.
It's been several years since Mythic was a deck, which was more or less the start of this insane card pricing with Baneslayer. The followup to Mythic was the whole thing with Jace. Wizards has had more than enough time to show us they give a fuck; they don't, this behavior is indicative of their pattern of apathy.
Tell me why you guys still give money to Wizards. I don't care if you play casually or cheap formats, I want to know how most of you continue to justify playing competitive decks. I quit in NPH; I only Cube now - it's a 360 card deck that I can always improve on. My local store owner has told me that a ridiculous amount of talk now is about card prices.
>people's frustrated expectations of a reprint in OGW manipulating the prices
When has Wizards ever reprinted a high-demand card (regardless of rarity) in a block set? I think it is literally never. They've shown they're willing to just outright reprint Mythics in Felidar Sovereign and Dragonmaster Outcast - real fucking useful Wizards.
They always show up as one-ofs or two-ofs like Remand or Inquisition in some retarded Duel Deck or something like that.
I play a T3 rogue deck that wasn't too expensive to put together. However, I already owned IoK, so I probably couldn't have built it if I didn't have a pretty good existing cardbase.
At this point, I think most people just build the best deck they can with available cards they have. I wanted to play affinity, but everything's so over the top I decided to just build CoCO elves since I have Heritage Druids, Ezuri, Archdruids and other Elves. The fetches and CoCo are standard legal so they were quite easy to procure
I'm just moaning. But even with these examples you have to admit they're not doing it nearly fast enough. They have one solid reprint/cycle per BLOCK. That was a year. Now it would be once every 8 months, but that's not the best timeframe.
im new to this game and have a few questions to ask for anyone who cares to help
>what are some good general deck ideas?
>i was thinking a black assassinate deck consisting of debuffs, instant destorys etc with lifelink? would that be a shit deck
> any good online guides? ones ive seen say the same things like pick a theme and stay with it
my favorite card right now is rat pack but as i said im pretty new. any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Go look up budget modern deck articles.
In general since you're new you might want to pick up something easy to play, linear and cheap. Try to avoid weird combo decks and control decks for now. Get acquainted with archtypes in your local game store.
I high recommend Mono Green Stompy. The deck consists of common and uncommons and a couple of rares
>I think most people just build the best deck they can with available cards they have
I think that is certainly the case for Modern. I got in on the ground floor for Modern; I bought the entirety of Living End including Fulminators for somewhere in the range of $30 not including the Scars duals, which I already had.
My issue with this situation is attrition. Who can possibly enter the format if they have nothing? Every time I see, "I want to get into X" I just think, "You poor fucker; you have no idea what you're getting into." I'd rather Wizards just condemn Modern like Legacy instead of leaving it on this brutal life support. People who demanded a Modern Pro Tour were delusional, it was essentially all the haves pointing at the have-nots showing how they can have fun while the others can't possibly enter the format.
Like you, I just had decks that took little to convert to Modern. Tron, Elves, Affinity, Merfolk, Burn - all these decks cost nearly nothing at one point. Now they're a mortgage payment.
Any online retailer will offer similar prices, but they're the typical retail inflation there.
Ebay and CardShark will get you cards cheaper since it's peer-to-peer, but you got to pay your due diligence on the seller.
'It turned out to be problematic developmentally.'
Fuck that, especially after they left it out of MM15 so 'they could put it in OGW'. Laziest bullshitting I've seen in a while.
I don't even want the IoKs myself, but it's still annoying.
Post your reaction when Innocent Blood gets reprinted in Shadows.
Black removal is good, though Assassinate is a bad card. Try these instead:
Grasp of Darkness
Go for the Throat
Black Sun's Zenith
Drown in Sorrow
Why do people play this shit game over Force of Will? I tried playing Magic again recently and whenever someone got flooded or screwed on mana I had to wonder why I was playing this shit game.
Just go for the glass canon builds. You can even splash black for Death's shadow and those pay 2 life cantrips like probe and that cycling guy from future sight. These sort of decks dont need disruption more than they need information and cantripping through your pumps
There's a concept in gaming and social life called "stickiness". It's hard to stop doing sticky things because you've invested so much money and time into it that it would be stupid to drop it all and start on something else, even though it may prove to be vastly superior. Stickiness also exists in the form of established community, you simply need people to play with.
WoW probably owes much of its success to being the first high-end MMORPG and thus very sticky, all the MOBAs are sticky, Magic and YuGiOh are sticky whereas Pokemon is the complete opposite of sticky. Marriage is probably the stickiest thing on the planet. Have you seen people in abusive relationships - mental problems but also stickiness.
Pretty much. 40 card minimum deck, and a deck of at least 10 cards for mana, so you don't miss land drops.
Caught on for a little while, and then everyone stopped caring. You used to be able to get like 3 rares in a single pack.
>they wont though cause one mana to kill the big eldrazi makes the standard kiddies cry
I don't know about that. Those people who love their Eldrazi are probably not so stupid to not have a couple extra spawn around to be proof against edicts.
That being said, watching people cast Kozilek's Predator followed by Emrakul's Hatcher in a format with fucking Day of Judgement I guess Wizards would be thinking exactly what you said.
Eye of Ugin
Grove of the Burnwillows
Inquisition of Kozilek
All went completely apeshit in the past couple days. The first two make sense.
Buy your Mayor of Avabrucks now kids.
Haha that's fucking hilarious. I thought it was ONLY $60.
Someone should be writing their doctorate thesis on this shit. "The pitfalls of deregulation; when the government throws the free market to the wolves: A story of Magic cards."
i did it guys!!! how terrible is it?
I considered doing this, not a full blown thesis, but something about the different kinds of interests and actors involved in a field. There's actually a lot of complexity involved when you take into consideration everyone involved and what they do to push their own interests. A lot it though I think we all implicitly understand and catch on to already.
I've given Chinaman around $600USD.
See those? I've got most of those. And they're not sharing mana either. Best "board game" I've ever bought. Friends and I just sit down, and just practice a pet format.
Oh man, it's not a laugh of jest. It is the laugh of someone watching unfiltered refugees enter Europe knowing the exact shitstorm that is going to entail. It's the story of slowly fucking something to the point of irreversible damage.
I'm doing my masters on 2008. The mechanisms are not the same as Magic, but it's more or less the same level of no-fucks-given by the government/Wizards.
I don't want to support Magic's secondary market any more, and certainly won't buy any WotC products unless I have to draft.
I've started looking up how to get good counterfeits. Not gonna trade or sell them, obviously, but I sure as fuck will never, ever pay for competitive Magic cards again if I can get away with it.
It feels shitty that I'd be paying $200 for COUNTERFEIT cards and still not even have most of what I'd need to play whatever I think is fun, but whatever.
Card prices are stupid high now.
People who defend it because "muh Wizards have to earn money too!" need to die in a fire, the fucking faggots.
Many LCGs have comparable or better game design and they sure as shit don't have as oppressively high barriers of entry.
I wish they'd just abandon Modern because it's a shit format and reprint the shit out of every single Legacy staple, damned be the Reprint list.
Like, just fucking make event decks that are 1:1 with tournament-worthy Legacy decks, print them in the same quantity as they print those worthless intro packs and event decks.
I don't care if the secondary market never recovers, or WotC collapses, it's the only move they could make with integrity.
Watch it all crash and burn as people finally can have fun with the fucking game, for once.
Its actually a shit thesis, because you would be able to complete it by actually opening up an economics book and reading past the 102/103 sections.
"Inflating the price through buyouts" are fundamentally impossible, because if the good continues to be sold at the "post-buyout" price and post-buyout quantities, the good was undervalued. If it doesn't sell at the previous volume, buyers exit the market at the higher price and speculators lose.
The only way for a good to appreciate is through buyers entering the market and increasing demand, relative to a fixed supply. Supply shocks like buyouts don't shift the supply curve, they just move along it.
Additionally, rising prices with fixed supply signals a chance for suppliers to enter the market to capture some of the value. Wizards may be glacial with reprints, but they're actively worried about the impact of supply floods. When MM1 was announced, they stressed that they would be "minimally affecting the numerical supply of key cards (Tarmogoyf)," indicating that they wanted to capture some reprint value, but didn't want to flood the market and kill their brand via death by printer.
I refuse to believe that knowledge of the happenings in the secondary market are not known to all Wizards employees in charge of designing the game.
Do they just ignore it? As professionals are they simply brilliant enough to just NOT go on the Internet. It's hard to believe they don't read Reddit.
If they don't ignore it then they know. And they all know if that's the case. I think they're just people trying to pay the mortgage. Just like newscasters spouting the godawful bullshit not worrying that the things they are saying are wrong, politically driven, or utter bullshit.
If you think 2008 has anything to do with card prices or Magic cards I really worry about the quality of your research on 2008. But then again you sound like an asshole so it probably won't matter.
>"Inflating the price through buyouts" are fundamentally impossible, because if the good continues to be sold at the "post-buyout" price and post-buyout quantities, the good was undervalued. If it doesn't sell at the previous volume, buyers exit the market at the higher price and speculators lose.
The fact that you think this is true when applied to Magic, never the less that you're conflating inflation from the perspective of the consumer with price trending towards market equilibrium makes me think you should stop trying to advise others on how economics work.
I'm pretty sure that the causes of fun, justice, efficiency, stewardship, and sustainability have never prevailed when the alternative is financial sustainability.
"We only need to sucker players to play this game for X years. By then we got their money so who cares if they quit. So long as we maintain participation and attendance numbers people buy into the hype. What's that thing, lining up in front of something and if the line gets long enough people will just join the lineup without thinking about whatever it is because the fact that people are willing to line up makes it worthy to wait for, even if that thing is fucking nothing.
>Then go play on cockatrice. If you want any cardboard, you gotta pay to play.
>Or if you're so resentful and it's a chore to keep up, then play something else.
I do, I just also play MtG, without paying out the ass like a chump (as you do).
Still, the game increased popularity in the last 4 months on every LGS i go.
Now my LGS gave FoW a full day for tourneys.
Its sadwhen we FNMs were full of veterans and new players months ago. Now FoW have around 12-16 ppl tourneys while MtG havecloseto 8 players on the last 2 fnms.
>Then go play on cockatrice
No one on cockatrice knows how to play the fucking game. That our they cheat and then feign misunderstanding the rules afterwards. It's fucking terrible.
Modded DotP 2014 is better than that shit.
Do you think new sets of standarshit are going to kill magic? no
>Jews of the coast stupidity on supply demand of cards will do
They should just release modern masters as any standard set, instead of limited print shit, but thanks to collector we cannot have nice cards cuz Muh Investments
Wait, when exactly does the Reserve list start from? Is it anything around Chronicles?
I thought Wasteland and FoW were on the list. Why the fuck have they never put those in any premium product or some shit if they aren't?
THIS TBVH FAMILY
I think force of will could really catch on if every fucking artwork wasn't feel-your-parent's-shame tier
The excuse is that they wanted to low the power level of the game, so if they put it it would cause problems in the game.
the reality is cause inversionist on second market and collectionist can sue them apparently if they reprint for money loss.
People are moving to Force of Will because of the silimitude with mtg mechanics and cheap prices(new fame in the market) and Heartstone.
Seriously, the FNM attendace on my LGS decreased by 60%. Used to haave like 40+ people here but now there are only 12-15 ppl playing(the same rednecks from years ago).
Yugioh is still the same and Force of Will players increased in the last months.its obviously mtg wont die, butat least here they lost too many players.
I don't think they care. I mean they make their money off Drafters, standard players that will play whatever they print due to the nature of standard and casuals who will just play whatever and leave every other format to be exploited by SCG and the secondary market in general who in return organize events and push new sets, like a symbiosis.
I think MaRo sleeps just fine even knowing that modern players have to pay 10$ for a common and 50$ for an uncommon they could reprint at any point, let alone the big offenders like Lily, goyf, FoW and the reserved list.
Neither of them are. It started because of chronicles, alliances and tempest are after that.
They don't reprint them because of the "feel bads". Wizards doesn't trust people to keep playing after getting blown out
~Way~ to slow.
You lose to everything but mill-based lantern (actually, probably that too).
If you *really* want to run that card run some control, some extra colors, and at least two of pic related (probably three).
Also, Conjurer's Bauble recurs to the bottom of your deck, not the top. Use Academy Ruins instead.
>every fucking artwork wasn't feel-your-parent's-shame tier
Yeah. From what little I've seen and read about the game, it sounds really good, but that artwork is a huge turnoff for me
Guys, I got 4 unopened modern event decks. Should I open them and sell thee IoK? I dont want to see a wasted opportunity like the snapcasters i couldnt sell for 100$ each when the price spiked (they are now 50-60$)
>check the actual Reserve list
>Some Alliances cards, like Phelddagrif and Phyreian Devourer are
>Force of Will isn't
What the FUCK?!
They've had a million fucking years to reprint them in some set that wouldn't be Standard legal, and even though Legacy has been a GP format in the past they NEVER did it? Just the Judge Promo?
Why the balls do you have 4 unopened modern event decks brother?
I dont understand how people can handle the flavor text on these cards. Like people legitimately jerk off to C-Tier animation transcriptions. How.
>With the power of our friends, I believe that we can be victorious!
>His mind is quite formidable, it is clear that he is a worthy opponent.
>I wanna fuck a cartoon that looks like an 8 year old in a bikini desu senpai.
Bought them last year in 30$ each box to the owner of the game store I go. He thought he fuck it up by selling the event deck so he could run modern tourney but noone play modern here.
It is pretty dumb, they could have thrown them it into a commander deck. The only things that they vitally need to reprint are the duals, the rest of the reserve list isn't that ridiculous. Except Tabernacle.
its mostly just the weird commander things that are lolis i think. I only really know because I played a friend's spare prerelease pack back during fall semester
it was fun but I already have my jvps and fetches so im gonna keep playing standard
>Conjurer's Bauble recurs to the bottom of your deck, not the top
yeah but there's lots of deck shuffle abilities in the deck. and when it gets down to only a few cards left, your chances of pulling it get really good. i get that it's too slow though. the only reason why i wanted to go for the mono color scheme is because i don't wanna pay to fix mana.
holy shit that's an awesome idea
>they got boyfriends as I know.
>tfw girls at the shop
one kept talking to me while we were playing edh and put her number in my phone and started texting me and i don't know what to do
Blogposting here, but you fa/tg/uys might get some laughs so fuck it.
>oath spoilers go out
>oh boy time for pre-release
>get all my magic stuff ready, shower, eat, shave, ect.
>2 modern decks, an edh deck, and draft sleeves ready.
>20 min drive to LGS
>get there 11:45, parking lot is mostly empty. shop usually gets ~100 people for pre release.
>employee is mopping floor from FNM, clearly about to close the now empty shop.
tl ;dr i showed up for Oath pre-release a week early because I forgot to check the date.
>I thought Wasteland and FoW were on the list. Why the fuck have they never put those in any premium product or some shit if they aren't?
Because Mark Jewwater and his cohorts think it's more important to protect the "investment" of scalpers than keep eternal formats viable.
There is nothing, not even their bullshit "promises" keeping them from reprinting FoW/Wasteland until they cost 50 cents. They won't do it because they WANT to keep the formats prohibitively expensive.
I went into the 24 hour wallmart across the street just to buy some random stuff
and some bfz boostersjust so I felt like I didn't waste the entire trip and a bunch of gas. Feelsbadman.
I'll be honest here, I'm a fat ugly cow atm but I'm assisting to the gym.
Dunno m8, last girlfriend I had was a normalfag, like 8 years ago before my friend drag me to the world of MtG, videogames and junk food.
Thanks god I didnt become a weeb
Majority of cards on the Reserved List are actually completely worthless, and will likely forever stay that way. Cent rares from Homelands or The Dark that have never been used in a deck, things like that. It's only a tiny minority of cards on it that really matter: The Power for Vintage, the Duals for Vintage and Legacy, and a couple random stragglers outside those groups like Workshop.
>mfw Konami, literally the Japanese EA that treats its players like a battered housewife, is better with reprints and prices than Wizards
I've never seen a company so uncaring to it's userbase. Wizards seems fully content with the secondary market raping their players to death with cards they don't even print and make profit on anymore.
>holy shit that's an awesome idea
If you're feeling especially ballsy, you can run 4 and try to start each game with
≈5 cards in hand
≈30 cards in deck
≈25 cards in exile
>i wanted to go for the mono color scheme is because i don't wanna pay to fix mana
A shitty multicolor landbase (no fetches or shocks) would still be better than what you've got.
That would also let you run pic related, which would drastically speed things up with all of the exiled cards you could be starting the game with.
Also, splash black for Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize, they help yoy with control and can discard your own Hedron Alignment (in case you somehow draw 3 of them).
You also might want to consider copy enchantment, or other clone effects to give you extra Hedron Alignments (though you'd also need a way to bounce/sacrifice/exile you extra Alignments).
And I don't know what I was thinking when I suggested Academy Ruins (Hedron Alignments not even an artifact).
But seriously, you shouldn't expect to draw through your entire deck without some crazy dedication to control.
the only reason they do reprints is because they want to jew the shit out of the poor fuckers who can't afford regular prints before they ban the reprints. The yugioh secondary market is also awful as fuck. Nekroz literally had singles for $200 that you needed playsets of each. It's batshit insane how awful konami is compared to wizards.
konami killed nekroz too and now the cards are worth $10
>Hint: expectations of falling prices encourages players to not hold cards.
thats exactly the point of reprints genius. How are sky high fucking prices for BASIC ENTRY INTO THE GAME a good thing? Rationalize that for me.
>m-muh card value
fuck you greedy assholes. You can't kill the game just to swindle other people for profit.
The more sweaty fucking investor neckbeards gouge the price of cardboard the worse the game gets.
Yugioh has scheduled reprints though, the knowledge of reprints drives the price down, as well as fear of the banlist. Nekroz was tier 0 for a month, yes, but then the banhammer came and their prices settled to less than retarded amounts.
I've haven't seen Yugioh reach magic levels of fucking retarded prices since Drulers. The fact that you can't hold onto your cards too long in yugioh due to reprints makes the game easier on everybody and discourages scalping.
get rekt herofag, that shit deserved getting hit for years.
>Surely you mean he is the incarnation of a jew, which he is. I googled it.
Actually I'm Dark Synchro. Rouge as fuck. I use Destiny Heroes as an engine and I think Stratos is a bitch because he isn't dark. Fuck wind! My main deck only runs on darkness shit!
Alright fine. But Lavalval chain was utter cancer and needed to get shot. I know, I was an Infernityfag. Rota less so but the ability to splash a hero engine into fucking everything was a bit of a design problem for konami. I think they learned their lesson.
Well managed to take third with Twin. Went 2-2 but managed to get into top 8 because only like 16 people were there. Lost to Jeskai stuff because I was distracted and tired and played like a trashmaster, lost to Affinity because God hands.
In top 8 went against Tron, managed to win in game 3 through a spellskite and a resolved Ulamog by Cryptic Command-ing the spellskite on his turn, also flashing down Exarch and then playing Splinter Twin on my turn. Very stressful
Then I lost to merfolk because I'm garbage.
It's probably the most abusive Midrange deck.
It beats the shit out of Twin, can actually beat Tron, isn't as frail against Burn and Affinity and assrapes Jund/Junk.
Prepare for Eldrazi vs Merfolk and Scapeshift in top 8s because they're it's only real bad match and this shit is exactly the kind of deck "pros" have been waiting for.
By "investor neckbeards" do you mean "everyone who buys sealed product"? There is literally zero inventive to buy any cards at any point if the value is just going to diminish.
Why would you buy packs to try and increase your EV if the cards you're chasing are just going to be flooded in the future?
I swear people who REEEE about card prices and "buyouts" need to learn about the basics of commodities pricing. Speculators make money on mispriced commodities, or rather by anticipating changes in supply/demand that the market doesn't account for. There's no such thing as price gouging outside of something like a natural disaster or legitimate supply shock.
Putting a Goyf in every pack just kills the game, especially when there is no shortage of people with a WTP in the $130 range.
Should I buy a set before the price goes up during the pro tour?
>Eldrazi decks are only gonna get more powerful and popular
I built Legacy Burn for $200, won enough to buy Modern 8Rack for $600, wone enough to buy the fetchlands for Modern Burn, then won enough to port 8Rack into PoxRack for Legacy and Deadguy for Modern when I fear Burn will be hated out.
These two decks have me in green and way above my expenses. But the way I do things doesn't seem to work anymore. if I wanted to turn Deadguy into Eldrazi all I need are the Eldrazi lands and the Eldrazi themselves.
But is it worth it? The deck is ridiculous, either it gets hated out or gets a mindless ban that completely ruins it.
On the other hand I was looking into getting Goyfs. And the same question stands.
Is it worth it to spend $800 in 4 copies of a card just to have your deck be raped by Eldrazi, a deck that was very obviously a mistake?
WotC really isn't paying attention to Modern, this is an elephant graveyard where older players go to die while the speculation vultures pick on their bones.
To play Pack Rat at it's best in Modern you also need to spend $400 on 4 cards.
Liliana of the Veil may tie with Jace, The Mind Sculptor as the best planeswalker, but that price tag is cray-
Just wait till LotV gets reprinted in shadows over innistrad.
What I would like is if they would just go an make all cards printed in the 8th Ed and now post M15 borders Modern-Legal.
Truly shake everything the fuck up, add a shit ton of cards to the pool and be able to re-print cards and make them avaliable to the format through Duel Decks, Commander and other products that sell to demand at Wal Mart and are hard to hoard.
Don't open them. Try to sell boxed for the price of the IoKs alone.
If the spike is real and they sell, you "lost" like $50 each on shit that you got at $30 and pushed at $150.
If the spike isn't real, you still have an unopened collectible and a bunch of uncommons that were spiked by a grognard with a brand new credit card debt.
Trust me. The new ones will also see play, eventually. Even the BG one.
Lol. Just, lol.
Been trying it out for myself. Vs. fair midrange decks it's decent. Vs. combo it's good. Vs. fast aggro it's bad.
How'd I do?
4 Hedron Alignment
4 Serum Powder
4 Pull From Eternity
4 Noxious Revival
4 Serum Visions
4 Faithless Looting (mana base permitting, else Dream Twist)
2 Dig Through Time
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Path to Exile
2 Journey to Nowhere
This >>44660295 is a 2 drop in the deck.
It's Midrange Tron with discard. As soon as actually competitive players start mastering it and realize it has fair to strong games against everything save the very best hands of Burn, Affinity and BW Tokens, plus Scapeshift and Merfolk, we'll be flooded in it worse than Pod.
80% of the reason MtG is stock market for babbies.
>No market correction
>No overseeing authorities
>No way to take legal action against pump-and-dumps
>No manufacturers producing to fill demand
>You can buy all copies of a card for a couple thousand bucks
If you hit it, you make obsene ammounts of money. If you fail like a retard loser, you just hoard that shit and the prize won't go down. If you jew the shit out of it, there's no repercussions either.
What? This post, I cant even. Getting stuff in my graveyard wouldnt bother me. Stuff taken out of it would.
This card right the fuck here
When all the sick shit from Oath hits and people just cut the second color from decks and remove all non eldrazi spells save for Inquisition, people will probably start playing a fuckton of Caverns. And when you cast an uncounterable Void Winnower on Twin, they actually just can't win. Their deck just gets shut off.
What do you guys think of Grixis Control?
it is an amazing play but you can't do that unless you just have two temples or a temple and eye, since it requires colorless. It's a huge buff to the deck but I don't think it'll be enough to stop things like Burn or Affinity. It'll probably just always scoop to those
It really doesn't. Post-board Duress on top of the discard they already run cuts Burn's shit up and the Night of Soul's Betrayal buyout? Their reaction to Affinity and Tokens on top of already running an Eldrazi Flmaetongue Kavu and a nigger that drops three nigglets.
I feel people haven't become wary of Eldrazi because there's like 6 different versions and only 2 are really scary, the mono-black midrange and the lolwut Heartless Summoning ramp one.
To be honest I feel like we've discovered gunpowder in the form of Eye + Temple but right now we're only using it to shoot muskets.
When OGW hits we're gonna see the cannonballs.
>literally existed for 5 years before hand
So what sparked the deck? Wasteland Strangler? Blight Herder? These cards just seem so lame that they couldn't honestly have cause this deck to take off
So went 3-2 tonight with Burn and got into the top 8. Pretty good night.
The burn mirror matchup is always ridiculously hard for me to win. Really need to practice on that one.
Pretty much yes.
They look like shit in standard because you're casting them for their full price and need crap like Silkwrap or Ingesters to activate.
In modern they're the same cards but for B and 2-3, activate reliably thanks to prevalent grave-exile in graveyard:the format, run Thoughtseize and IoK to protect them and their shit goes to the stack on cast so fuck your counters.
Oblivion Sower and Ulamog are backbreaking too, when they can cost 2 and 4 each.
>playing people in FNM
>tfw I get the god hand one game and drop 4 titans turn 2 and swing for lethal
I thrive off the tears of people complaining about this deck
>There is literally zero inventive to buy any cards at any point if the value is just going to diminish.
Unless you want to actually play the game and not just hoard cards to drive up prices so you can flip them later for a profit.
Casuals are always going to buy packs regardless of the lack of monetary value of the cards. So will limited/draft players. These singles will end up in the hands of secondary sellers because people will still want specific cards and going through a secondary seller is more convenient than finding someone to trade specific cards with.
The only difference would be that, if Wizards put effort into combating secondary market price gouging, the prices wouldn't be as high. Cards would still get bought and sold, only at a price level that makes it more affordable for people to get into the game, which would help the accessibility of Magic and allow more people to get into the game.
Easier accessibility to the game = more people playing and attending events = more people buying packs and cards = more money being made in the long run, all while keeping prices affordable for average players.
Plus, there will always be premium and otherwise rare or special versions of cards that demand higher prices simply because they're unique and rare. This allows for "chase" cards that carry higher prices while not hampering the accessibility of the game.
call her and be like 'yo you wanna get lunch'
go have lunch together, have a good time.
go get some lunch without her, you gotta eat bruh. don't tilt out on the girl (or yourself), just drop it and move on.
>playing MTG like an economics faggot
If they randomly made Goyf a rare in the next modern master packs it wouldn't "kill the game". If you have a playset of goyfs already then you already met your willingness to pay and you don't really have to care.
Also to all the people that get more goyfs it would lead them to buy other cards to complete fucking Jund, junk whatever the fuck and keep the market flowing.
>These singles will end up in the hands of secondary sellers because people will still want specific cards and going through a secondary seller is more convenient than finding someone to trade specific cards with.
>The only difference would be that, if Wizards put effort into combating secondary market price gouging, the prices wouldn't be as high.
Those two statements are contradictory. If prices fell reliably, the secondary market would implode due to card shops and secondary sellers literally not being able to make money at all.
Cards wouldn't be reliably bought and sold, and sealed product would have a net negative EV over time, hence markets freezing up.
When you actively incentivize not holding cards, you literally actively diminish the value of your brand and printings over time. This is the thing that people don't really get about mass reprints.
If they demonstrated that they're willing to kick people holding cards in the dick, not only do they tank the value of thousands of dollars in inventory for stores, they tank their reputation of cards holding value at all.
Bye bye secondary market if sellers cant trust that their inventory won't be randomly depreciated irresponsibly. And goodbye to the value of investment in any cards every player currently holds. Why would you buy a sealed product knowing that no matter what you pull, it will be worthless next printing?
>"Inflating the price through buyouts" are fundamentally impossible, because if the good continues to be sold at the "post-buyout" price and post-buyout quantities, the good was undervalued.
I would tend to disagree only because economic theory assumes rational consumption, and magic players are not rational by any stretch. if they were, everyone would be playing burn because it represents an optimized level of competitiveness per dollar.
also the buyouts absolutely effect price in the long run because when prices of a card are high people will trade for and buy the card in hopes to avoid and/or profit off of future appreciation. if enough people acquire the card after this surge the price will stick not because it was undervalued, but because it was overvalued long enough. for evidence of this look at cards like goyf, liliana, black lotus, jace the mind sculptor, etc.
>Why would you buy a sealed product knowing that no matter what you pull, it will be worthless next printing?
To open it and play with it. Alternatively to keep it as a collecters item.
The people who just hoard up their valuable collections and keep the prices stupidly high should not be more important than the people who wishes to buy cards because they want to actually play the damn game. I couldn't care less if my own or other peoples collection lose half their value because if you have the cards solely for their worth in money you are doing it wrong.
In that sense WotC's reprint policy is actually healthy for the game in the sense that people know that they can make sound investments in Legacy and Vintage staples and that they won't just all of a sudden deflate in value.
Tron, Affinity, Infect, Amulet Bloom, Boggles, Living End and so on
Decks like these are no thought unga bunga soltaire unless your opponent is playing any sort of counter or disruption
No, but the people that are buying the really expensive cards are generally the ones who've been with the game longer. Someone who's been playing magic for 10 years is probably going to be playing for as long as there is a game, so there is some logic to appeasing that crowd over the newcomers
Tron, affinity and infect are all interactive. They deploy threats, you deploy answers or win before they do. Boggles is, to a lesser extent, interactive. Its just harder to interact with the game plan they put together.
Decks like ANT, vintage dredge and TPS are actually non interactive because they either don't care about what the other player is doing, or strip the opponents hand with discard then disregard what the opponent is doing.
>buying a bunch of pieces of cardboard that say scalding tarn because you may make a minimal profit in a few years
Why not just invest money into something more reliable and turn a better profit?
How so? magic is supply elastic/demand inelastic therefore people who buy cards for price X won't sell it easily for X-1. if the price shifts to X+1 and enough people buy it for X+1 the price will move back to it's X equilibrium slowly if at all because selling at X represents a perceived loss in actual value. demand shifts almost exclusively on meta relevance and perceived scarcity and is mostly unaffected by prices.
They are interactive in the smallest degree possible
If you are playing tron vs infect I guarantee the amount of interaction is caveman tier. Wow playing Karn turn 3 and choosing what to exile fuck man that's basically 10 games of chess
My point is most decks in modern have a super specific game plan and barely care what the opponent is doing and just want to slam karn, big infect guy, boggle, titan, bunch of robots and don't run any real interaction mainboard.
Interaction slightly improves after sideboarding usually but that only really leads to windmill slam X-sideboard card that completely shuts down your 1 strategy and I win
But why would you do that when you can buy it next season for even cheaper? When the value tomorrow is going to be even lower, absolutely nobody is going to buy. Wizards would have to go full Yugioh and actively force people to buy into the current set to maintain any sense of current value.
> I couldn't care less if my own or other peoples collection lose half their value because if you have the cards solely for their worth in money you are doing it wrong.
Walk into your LGS, look at the rows of cases with hundreds of cards that represent thousands of dollars in held inventory. All of that gets flushed if Wizards prints into the ground.
Prices aren't "kept high" by speculators and large investors, prices are kept as close to their market value as possible, otherwise the speculators and investors would lose piles of money by design.
Yeah, you'd be butthurt, unless your entire business was centered around moving them, in which case you'd be bankrupt.
>the price will stick not because it was undervalued, but because it was overvalued long enough
If the card was overvalued, potential buyers of the card would exit the market and the cards would remain unsold at that "overvalued" rate. The transaction occurring, rational or not, shows a readiness and willingness to pay for a card.
> goyf, liliana, black lotus, jace the mind sculptor
If people stopped purchasing cards at their "current prices" holders would be forced to lower their prices or lose money. But they purchase cards, and are thus willing to pay.
>Yeah, you'd be butthurt, unless your entire business was centered around moving them, in which case you'd be bankrupt.
Granted but why is that bad for anyone but those people? Why are their interests so much more important?
They have linear strategies, but that doesn't make them non-interactive. They're both rushing their strategies out, but there are still are decisions, like overcommiting into pyroclasm vs undercommiting and losing to a karn.
It's not the lack of interaction that makes modern decks boring, but the lack of interesting decisions. All the decks feel like powerful standard decks, and the only interesting decisions are how to fetch your lands.
I'm struggling for a solid 2 drop in my Skred list. Any suggestions?
Currently I'm only running 2 magma jets. Spellskite is in the side but not really needed enough to warrant maindeck inclusion
demand in magic is largely unaffected by prices but shifts instead based on any given card's meta relevance or the status that comes with the card in question. the point is that buyer's purchase based on what they need to complete a deck list and will not exit off of price alone. if they did then grove of the burnwillows would drop in price because the RG pain land fills essentially the same role for 88 dollars less.
If enough people buy the card at value X+1 then that is the value of the card. Products and services have no objective values attached to them other than whichever value buyers and sellers subjectively attatch to them.
right, but the point of all this is that X is set arbitrarily by an unregulated oligopoly which exists outside of the producer and they're free to change the price as they please.
There are a lot more things to consider. Resolving brainstorms and ponders offer a lot of interesting decisions, and force you to figure out a game plan that's going to win you the game while thwarting their game plan. In vintage, where draws have a lot of variance and giving your opponent one extra turn can instantly lose you the game from a winning position, is extremely fun. I also find a lot more variation between individual vintage decks, which is pretty fun.
I had heard a lot of bad things about the people who plays magic from /tg/. But when I went to my store (in europe) to play it turned out that it was just a bunch of normal people. More nerdy than average of course but nothing extreme.
Do people just talk shit or are the american playerbase actually a bunch of fat neckbeards?
As a Swede, you certainly see poeple like that but tehy aren't very common. I've met exactly one fatass
and he was also a long haired, unshaven ginger and overall obnoxious person to be aroundand exactly one person who used weeaboo sleeves for his cards though they weren't even lewd, so whateverduring my soon fifteen years of playing this game. Everyone else has been cool.
And if cards are purchased at X, X is within consumer's willingness to pay. If X is "arbitrarily set too high" they will lose money. Consumers purchase along their willingness to pay, not any higher. The equilibrium of that is the market rate.
Why? I love losers. Having the slightest amount of class, style, or charisma makes you essentially the social Nerd God that everyone wants to be around.
Its like being at a less-sweaty hostess club I don't have to pay for.
Yes, every TCG I have been to has been full of undesirables - mostly neckbeards and dropouts. There are "gamer-girls" too, as well as the classic group of pseudo-professional jackoffs that are obsessed with metagaming and aren't welcoming to new or unskilled players. Now I only go to GPs. It is a shame, since the owners seem really interested in promoting the game. Only once, I went to a draft during Gatecrash (I think) and met a 40-something guy that played during Beta and was just getting back into it. We had a really pleasant conversation and he was polite when he lost. On the other hand I have had a player actually flip a table on me. He was banned from the store, but it really turned me off to the game. Luckily, I've been fortunate enough to get a job that will take me overseas in two years in
Plays Shriekmaw, Beast Within, Dismember, Jund Charm, Fulminator Mage, cascades into LE only when the board state favors it and can fight a counter war in g2/3 with Ricochet Trap.
Hand destruction, cares about combat step, ETB abilities which interact
What is Karn, O-Stone, Wurm, Nature's Claim and Pyroclasm
I'm not arguing what equilibrium price is. I'm arguing that the largest sellers price fix/gouge and the buyouts they use to simulate drastically increased demand can affect the health of the game in the long run.
How? If counterfeits are being purchased or buyers are exiting the market, the "gougers" lose money. If "gougers" aren't losing money, the cards were mispriced initially.
If you "simulate demand" beyond the equilibrium, you get stuck overpaying for stuff you can't sell back. Remember that buying out cards represents risk and an initial purchase.
You can't "price fix" beyond a buyer's willingness to pay, and that willingness to pay that aligns with the supply is the equilibrium price.
All of this can be undermined in a win-win situation for players and Wizards if they'd just reprint the cards that people want. I can't fathom why they're protecting the secondary market. Perhaps if even more people had tier 1/2 decks, the game would be exposed for being as shallow as it really is.
>I can't fathom why they're protecting the secondary market.
Because a large part of why Magic has remained so popular over the years is because people know that the secondary market is relatively stable.
Magic's secondary market is relatively stable? Are you having a fucking GIGGLE here son? Eye of Ugin, a card no one gives a shit about, went from a dollar rare to $33 overnight. Spikes are just as harmful to markets as crashes.
But that consumer is not the player. It's dealers.
Then players don't get the cards, then less people attend WotC's events and the smaller LGS events and you've got the same loss of money exept it was WotC losing money and brick and mortars going bankrupt while SCG takes the money off a bunch of wannabe inversionists that are too faggoty for the real stocks.
There is no risk in Magic. "Price Memory" makes sure that prices won't go down even if there's zero demand and you make your money back eventually by selling a minimum fraction of the cards you scalped at the inflated value you set.
You're the one who needs to open an economics book. You keep acting like Magic is a real-world, regulated economy. It isn't.
If Goyf was printed at rare tomorrow but SCG, CFB; ABU, T&T and Card Kingdom decided it doesn't drop a cent, people will follow and it won't drop a cent. Now either you buy it at it's price, you play the lottery of you don't play Jund/Junk. There is no market alternative and there is no authority to prevent this.
>Now either you buy it at it's price, you play the lottery of you don't play Jund/Junk.
When you buy it, the price is within your willingness to pay, and the previous lower price was underpriced. If you don't buy it, you are considered priced out, and if enough people do not buy the cards, SCG CFB etc loses money en masse. Regulation has nothing to do with it because
people will never purchase cards beyond their willingness to pay.
Price memory is a function of that card NOT BEING REPRINTED, and having collectors value beyond its functional printing.
If there was zero demand, the cards wouldn't sell, and you actively WONT make your money back while you sit at a loss on the cardboard you bought for a large amount.
I dont understand how this keeps getting explained, and the concept of arbitrage and market pricing still go over peoples heads. Do I need to make some graphs?
Most women I know who play FoW like it partially because of the art. I'd probably get into the game too if it weren't for all the time and money I've invested into MtG, and the fact that my country has literally 2 stores that sell it, neither of which are close to me.
I just want to point out a couple realities. I don't know how to interpret them.
In spite of card prices spiking to obscene levels, my nearby stores (each in different cities) just don't really open boxes for singles anymore. They'll open maybe a box or two but that's it. It's just not worth their labor sorting that shit and storing it onsite where nobody wants it.
Instead, they deal with singles. They pay 30-50% for high-end singles and a bulk rate for anything that isn't somewhere like $5. Most of these singles aren't even sold locally, because nobody fucking buys them. And I know nobody buys them not for lack of opportunity, all these recent spikes in the past few days I have in my trade binder and they've been in there for years - they're not more likely to move unless I decide to sell them online.
Anyways, my local stores sell these singles online. They eBay that shit at the "market rate" and it keeps the lights on. It takes no more than half an hour to assess a collection and players tend to dump everything. It's easy to sell cards on eBay now because of how goddamn expensive everything is. You price a $50 at $45 and it gets picked up immediately; do that for all your stock and it disappears to one buyer, so the labor in sorting, pricing and shipping is minimal. A bought collection can yield hundreds of dollars an hour.
You could say this takes cards out of the community. Well it doesn't, because nobody in the local economy wants these cards because of how expensive they are. I've had a Goyf for years and nobody in all of three stores wants it.
Well, I decided to sell my cards. I'd rather have fun with friends in a weeb game (ygo can suck my dick) than playing alone with tryhards rednecks and jerks.
The cards im selling are enough to build rg tron, jund/junk, melfolk (no mutavault), infect and afinity.
Fuck this game wizards and enjoy my cards.
I'll keep my ug ezuri commander tho
>muh competitive play
>have to pay shitload of money for an uncommon
>don't want but have to because I MUST destroy all the villains in my LGS
>DAAAMN YOU WIIIZARDS!!
Tell me /tg/: why do you need to have perfect shiny decks? Why do you want to play competitvely on the highest levels?
>inb4: "It's a game and we're man. IT'S ABOUT WINNING."
Sure, but you could also safe your money, play other cards and lose one match more. Who cares? Everything below big ass tournaments isn't profitable anyways.
And who are WotC gonna sell boxes to once LGS close because SCG and dealers have all the cards and people have stopped playing?
Faggot dealers may panic and undermine SCG's prices, but there won't be anyone left to play, all the enfranchised palyers would have their cards already and Hasbro would have left their idiot subsidiary kill the golden egg laying goose.
It's not speculation, it's the near future. LGS attendance is already under 40% world-wide from last year and WotC lost money on Q3 and further more in Q4.
Why do you have the compulsive need to buy pieces of paper, mr. investor?
People want to win because winning lets you go infinite and play for free. You'd know it if you actually played and weren't just a cancer ruining the game and trying to justify yourself in 4chan with "economics".
>Why do you have the compulsive need to buy pieces of paper, mr. investor?
I don't buy single cards but booster packs (for Limited).
>People want to win because winning lets you go infinite
Sure. The endless dream of "going infinte". With your weekly FNM or what?
>and play for free.
Are you stupid? You have to pay a shitload to play. OK, you may play after that "for free".
>You'd know it if you actually played and weren't just a cancer ruining the game
I'm cancer because I encourage people to think less competitively instead of buying highly priced cards? Sure.
It's not necessarily about perfect shiny decks. It's about decks that work.
There is no substitute to Inquisition except Thoughtseize. It is important that the deck they're in hits both creatures and key spells. No, you can't just play Duress. You will lose a significant number of games not wrecking their hand early.
This is not the same as Path to Exile. Often you can just substitute Path to Exile for a substantially cheaper card like Doom Blade. In fact, you probably can substitute 4-core Burn cards with Incinerate clones and still do fine. You won't lose significant percentage points here.
The problem here is that people never think about what makes a deck tick until someone makes a move on a card. Splinter Twin is a key card, Inquisition is a key card, Mox Opals are a key card. Shit like Grove of the Burnwillows isn't a key card so that doesn't make any fucking sense.
I'm not excusing anything here. What has happened with card pricing has gotten out of hand. I do feel though that if individual players weren't completely retarded they would have slowly purchased these cards quietly. Even casuals should have the capacity to realize that Inquisition was the poor man's Thoughtseize and Path to Exile was the poor man's Swords to Plowshares. This speaks to how ignorant the average player is. If the first playset of cards a new player doesn't acquire is a set of Doom Blades or Llanowar Elves, that is a failure of the community to teach newcomers, later, if they don't acquire Terminates (which are five dollars now) then we have to look at ourselves to blame as well as the scalpers. These are core effects and it baffles me that nobody realizes this shit until years after the fact when some faggots buy them out. I hate the scalpers, but this shit was all once two or three dollars. And it didn't take until someone TOLD people it was valuable that people decided it was valuable.
>It's not speculation, it's the near future. LGS attendance is already under 40% world-wide from last year and WotC lost money on Q3 and further more in Q4.
I can speak for attendance being down. I don't know what fucking lies Wizards is spewing but nobody is playing Magic anymore at stores. However, my stores report that their kitchen table people are still regularly coming in, and let's just admit they're the bulk of the sales. And I don't mean that old blood has grown up and left, I mean the younger players don't stick around.
WotC may be losing money but that is probably their D&D dragging it down. Hasbro's annual report stated that Magic was still highly profitable for them and they're continuing to expand paper and digital sales opportunities.
Grove of the Burnwillows is Tron's sole source of G/R (the R/G painland essentially gives Burn a bye against it). So yeah, it's a limited supply automatic 4 of in a top tier deck.
That doesn't mean it can't be substituted for the painland or shockland. Grove is obviously the superior choice, no doubt, but you can afford to lose the burn matchup especially when Tron still wrecks tons of other top tier decks.
I guess Grove pricing makes sense when you take the insane price of everything else into context. Inquisition is more than Thoughtseize now simply because it is the dominant option.
I guess my brain is thinking that you can just play the painland and seriously just forget the burn matchup, it's not like there is any other aggro deck that can threaten Tron. Like how you're probably not going to lose any significant percentage points playing Doom Blade in place of Path to Exile.
>I mean the younger players don't stick around.
That's not surprising. When the market strategy is to lure in as many new players as possible it only makes sense that you will eventually run out of people who might be willing to pick up the game and that most of them will eventually quit.
I believe WotC's own numbers said that the average Magic player sticks with the game for seven years and then put their cards away or sells them. If I were to guess many of the players brought in during the acquisition plan stayed far shorter than that. For many of them Magic was likely something to play with friends during lunch break in high school and such.
I'm with you, I already put my modern cards on sale. Going to keep cheaper legacy cards as that's main format for local proxy tournaments. People are getting really fed up with price bullshit over here. How can anyone justify MtG prices anymore in any possible way? Vintage prices have been a joke of decade, legacy prices have been a reason format is dying for a while, modern is pretty close to legacy price and standard is getting out of hands too.
>I guess my brain is thinking that you can just play the painland and seriously just forget the burn matchup
Well this is just retarded, because Tron actually wins or loses the burn match on those 1 or 2 lifepoints from Grove vs a pain land. Pyroclasm isn't as efficient vs guides and spears if you take 1 every time you cast it without an egg + possible Eidolon trigger or stirrings for O-Stone when you have tron online the next turn. In g2/3 you can claim your own eggs since star still gives you the draw and map does nothing if your only play would be t3 karn and the difference between gaining 3 or 4 is crucial.
I'm not going to put my cards on sale. I bought into this game as a sunk cost, I never intended to cash out, even though the incentive to cash out now is certainly tempting for most people.
I paid money, I got entertainment. Like going to the movies or going on a vacation.
I've already mothballed most of my stuff. I said goodbye to my store years ago but still do non-Magic things with the people I met. I still shop there, I just don't play Magic anymore. Sometimes it's temping to attend a pre-release and I'd still have fun, but I'd feel disgusted about what Magic has become, how Wizards decided that they just couldn't afford to give away Emrakuls and Wurmcoils as promos. How I've seen Char and Figure of Destiny reprinted a billion times.
My point is that I don't give a fuck about losing to Burn. Ever. And nobody should care either, it's the goldfish deck. Win or lose you're sitting across from the most effortless deck in the history of Magic.
To save yourself $400 now from buying Groves you can just lose to burn and calculate how much self-burn you did to yourself. See how many turns it bought you. You still get your understanding of the Tron matchup as you've explained, you just didn't have to spend $400 to do it.
I keep seeing this "willingness to pay" and I seriously don't think that's what's going on here.
Do I want to pay $150 dollars for a goyf? $100 for a lili? $65 for a snapcaster? Hell fucking no.
It's because there's no alternative to those cards and their prices are being controlled a by a select few big retailers, a monopoly if I'm not mistaken. So no I don't want to pay this much for X card but I can't play the game unless I have this card so I have no other choice to but to just buy it once I have enough money to safely spend on it. It's about as willing as a game of saw.
The next logical argument here is to just stop playing the game but if it was really that easy to do magic would have been out of business a long time ago. No card game in existence can capture the feel and enjoyment of magic. Trust me, I've tried.
I know, FoW at the end of the day its not magic, even with the similar mechanics. Butin my case, i didnt enter the world of mtg to become a pro player and play big tourneys, I joined to play with my friends. Now my friends are not playing mtg and moved to FoW because of stupid spikes in card prices.
I'm keeping my commander deck since i met nice people in the commander tournament and they think the same as me.