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So you want to watch The Clone Wars (But You Don't Want to Watch the Whole Series)
Pretty much all the shipfag ships
>Fighting old Obi-Wan
>He summons a swarm of remotes to fight me
Reminder that Rebels is better than every Star Wars movie.
>Vader's suit sucked because Palps didn't want to spend the money to make it good
>wouldn't even give him a loan for an upgrade after ten years of loyal service
Should have called himself the Scrimperor because this guy is one cheap bastard.
whats the best way to go about printing 'ship addon' proxies?
i found all the images on the x-wing wiki, but should i just copy & paste spam them into microsoft word and print/cut? is there a more efficient way to do this, such as a premade pdf?
>Yeah sorry Vader, can't get you a new suit. All the Empire's money is going into building a giant death cannon the size of a moon, we really have nothing to spare for a new suit.
Legends was really inconsistent on the suit's quality, but generally agreed that he tinkered with it to improve it but could never summon the courage to do a full transfer into a better suit.
Canon has actually declared that the suit is pretty awesome. Lords of the Sith shows that it's just as agile as his fleshy bits were, and even stronger and faster to boot. Add to that the neural interface built into the helmet which blocks out the pain and discomfort he normally feels, and it turns out, it's not really such a bad suit after all.
Actually they are Kylo's old band the Knights of Ben, unfortunately on their poster for their first show it got typo'd the Knights of Ren.
They wanted to be the Dark Lords of the Sith, but a
Bith Jizz bandhad it already.
Can't Peeve the Sheev
>TFA as a battle of the bands
>Ben as a death metal band frontman
>Rey is a complete newbie music and has never picked up an instrument before but is one of those rare people who can play an instrument naturally
>Finn was a very sheltered child who got drafted into the Knights of Ren fanclub by his older girlfriend, Phasma, he's never heard anything that wasn't golden oldies before so he loved death metal
>Poe meets Finn at a Knights of Ren concert, he's only there to get intelligence on Ben's band for Leia's band, The Resistance (a rock and roll revival group which Poe is the lead guitarist of), Finn saves him from being beaten up by fanatic Knights of Ren fans
>Luke has been missing for decades because he couldn't teach Ben that we must be excellent to one another and he's at some retreat in Scotland to learn the ancient ways of the guitar from the ancient masters (Buddy Holly, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, etc)
>Leia needs him back because he's the last classic rock guitarist around
>Poe, Leia, and Han teach Finn the ways of ROCK AND ROLL, he picks up Luke's old bass (it binds the rock together, search your feelings) when Rey declines, he's actually okay with it
>Ben knocks his dad out of the running in the first round because who even listens to 80s music anymore DAD
>Finn challenges Ben to a bass battle
>Rey turns out to be a bass prodigy, beats Ben where Finn failed
>Ben is defeated, but his band isn't, Producer Snokes orders his manager, Hux to bring Ben back to the studio to practice.....
>Meanwhile, Rey and Finn find an old letter that Luke left with an address.... for an island in Scotland
>Rey and Chewie the Roadie go there to find Luke playing the classics
>The film ends as Rey holds out his old base and the soundtrack stops with a record scratch
I would LOVE a Star Wars battle of the bands.
Just know, that anytime you should repost about the Knights of Ben, there I too shall go.
He's SUPPOSED to be a tosser, that's the point!
It's so easy to spot a bass player
They're the only ones that care about bass
The bits of stuff I like best is where the suit itself is an obvious metaphor for his current life; it makes him stronger, heavier, and harder to hurt but is restricting and uncomfortable.
It gives him life-sustaining drugs that keep his ravaged organs and body going that make him stronger and dull his pain, but he's addicted to them and can't live without them at this point.
He's mildly angry all the time because he's basically trapped in a vaguely uncomfortable but entirely necessary suit that puts a thick barrier between him and the universe that he's now too dependent on too remove and contributes to his constant state of simmering anger because he's aware on some level that it's own damn fault he is in there at all.
Seriously though, somebody needs to just look at him after that and say "Ace of Spades, Motorhead, 1980. Paranoid, Black Sabbath, 1970. The Trooper, Iron Maiden, 1979. Holy Diver, Ronnie James mother fucking Dio, 1983." and just continue on like that.
Some people just don't know their history, man. AND, you're forgetting Helter Skelter.
Cause Wedge got out of the business, man. He's gone straight, *respectable*. And having Luke "I won The 1977 Death Battle of the Bands and Guitar Master" Skywalker would mean that everyone would only talk about that and not what Wedge is doing RIGHT NOW.
Man, I knew the FFG Kedalbe/Keldabe was nerfed, but I never quite realized how badly. Mask of the Pirate Queen expects one to have trouble dispatching a single Marauder Corvette.
Having them trade punches with full blown ISD2s in Empire at War was excessive and clearly a gameplay consideration, but this goes too far in the other direction.
any xwing players around, what do you think of these 2 squads?
Surely Luke's home is next to a miniature Stonehenge?
They tried to make her sexy and made her entire combat style "Erotic". But those proportions are disturbing to the entire thing just comes across as nauseatingly bad.
They also tried to ape DMC's ridiculousness but they simultaneously went too far and not far enough. DMC never took it too far. Asura's Wrath took it too far but absolutely OWNED it. Bayonetta is somewhere in between and just kinda tacky.
I'd like to see what Visceral Games can do with the story. I know they're already doing something with the licence, I'm just hoping it's more "Dead Space" then Battlefield: Hardline.
>Only thing I like that Platinum has made is Metal Gear Rising and that had awful dialogue
What, you didn't like "nanomachines son"?
But yeah, that games dialouge was less than perfect. But fun. Which is why people like it. MGR is just a fun game.
dead space should stay dead. fucking fanbase crawled up issac's ass as "the one true protagonist" too much. The devs kept trying to actually kill him off and the playtesters kept going "so where's the real ending"
They tried to make the game in house, but couldn't get the speedy action right, so outsourced it to Platinum, because they had experience in making such games. Pretty sure it's part of the official canon of the MGS series (much to the hatred of "true" fans because of the high flying action, while forgetting that Big Boss could bench press a mobile fortress, early generation cyborg ninja Grey Fox could hold up REX, Solidus in power armour could fuck up a bunch of RAYs with an SMG, etc.)
>For example, when Hammill, the supposed hero of the movie, sees the
>burned corpses of his parents, he responds by turning his head sideways.
>No tears, no shouts of outrage, just a crick in the neck and they are
>forgotten. Later, when an android buddy of his is discriminated against
>in a space-bar, he accepts the wrong without a blink. Late in the film,
>when an entire *planet* full of billions of sentient beings is
>annihilated, the good guys just sort of go, "Gosh, that's too bad." The
>bad guys, of course, smile cruelly. These kinds of responses to murder,
>discrimination, and genocide certainly do not encourage the kind of
>consciousness needed to overcome today's problems.
>had awful dialogue
That's like complaining that M Bison in the Street Fighter movie was a laughably one dimensional villain that constantly chewed the scenery.
The bad dialogue is half of the FUN of that game.
It's a little clunky, but it works and is in some ways more streamlined than the actual game (far easier to resolve collisions, no token stacks unless you really want to).
Didn't know people wanted Isaac that much. No wonder the game turned more into a shooter, who the fuck goes through hell and keep being scared of the same monsters over and over? I didn't mind the change, gave it an arc as you go from scrounging up shit to fight for survival to "get away from her, you bitch!" bad ass.
Wasn't there talk of Dead Space 4? 3 left with a pretty major cliffhanger.
> Oh no! Not you again! Who are you? Why do you write these movies reviews that don't make sense?
>3 left with a pretty major cliffhanger.
If by that you mean painted themselves into a corner then yes. Isaac and that other guy needed a huge alien artifact to defeat a fucking partially done moon, when they got to Earth there were what like 4 or 5?
Hey, the Force Unleashed guys already did over the top Star Wars. And in Force Unleashed 2, they had some dismemberment.
If you're complaining about bad plot, well, you can't have over the top Star Wars and expect a Good Plot.
>Since I couldn't find a ":-)" in the base note (not >that I've looked very
>carefully), my reply is:
>WHERE ON EARTH(?) HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THESE YEARS?????
>BTW, Peter Cushing also starred in a couple of Dr. Who movies.
Was :-) the :^) of the 80's?
you know, having given it a few minutes thought, I think we're seeing something truly rare here; we are observing one of the earliest prototypes of the modern internet troll in action
>Hey, the Force Unleashed guys already did over the top Star Wars. And in Force Unleashed 2, they had some dismemberment.
Yeah, and now we're talking about who should make 3.
>If you're complaining about bad plot
What? Anon was complaining about the dialog in MGR. I just said that's what Kojima makes, like it or not.
I thought Big Boss pulling a Grey Fox on (....was it Zeke in peacewalker or Snuffaluphagus in V that he did that to? ) was just an easter egg animation.
But there is a difference between shooting out optics/barely avoiding being crushed, and tossing a Ray over the Horizon. It sort of trivializes older struggles to have them so incredibly outmatched.
And stomping on Raiden' "Good End" sorta sucked.
got my prototype A-Wing today, can't wait to use it.
Which RPG would be best for a group of force sensitive exploring, uhhh shit that one planet Luke restarted the Jedi temple on with Jacen and Jaina that had sith ruins. Korban? Korbal?
Anyways yeah, I kind of want to do a party of padawans exploring and getting jnto adventures
Got my first game of X wing in today.
Been a long time since i played and i fully expected to get stomped since my list was a wave 2 release list.
Holy shit you need to buy damn near everything to get the proper cards to make everything work...
Playing star wars rooty tooty point and shooty is fun but im not sure i can afford to be competitive.
It was Cocoon in Peace Walker. If you go under it, it'll make a stomping attach where it slams the body down. Boss can, if you're fast enough, grab a hold of it and push back, avoiding being crushed.
>barely avoiding being crushed
Fox didn't avoid being crushed, he got under REX's foot and held the machine up while having a chat with Snake.
>It sort of trivializes older struggles
That's like saying a modern soldier flying into a combat zone, running around and shooting shit, then evacing back to base for some R&R is trivializing the struggles of people who fought WW1 in trenches.
You saying a up to date cyborg and synthetic muscle powered metal gears should have the same fights as early generation cyborgs and ponderous nuke launchers had?
If I could, ALL of my
futureA-Wings would be painted as Prototype A-Wings.
So how are TIE-bombers in X-Wing? Good? Bad? Disposable munition carriers?
that seems fun enough, apparently someone made a highly detailed and faithful Poe repaint that sold for $500
my roommate brought up a good idea for the A-Wings, how inverting its colors would look cool.
Pretty bad. Imperial Veterans is doing a lot to try and fix them, including introducing the TIE/shuttle, a Bomber variant that gets rid of bombs and torpedoes for two crew slots.
I actually saw that one on eBay. Mine was nowhere near that detailed. I did actually carve my astromech into BB-8, but I didn't do it with such detail or actually carving in Poe and painting him, along with an a cockpit that opens on a hinge. Fuck that thing was detailed.
Because Crimson Empire 2 had a bunch of them joining a Remnant faction and that means they would make sense as a player species in my remnant campaign.
Plus, they look cool.
Did dearth mauls ship effect republic starship design?
How's this for a list?
Dash Rendar [Push the Limit, Heavy Laser Cannon, Kyle Katarn, Outrider, Engine Upgrade] (58)
Poe Dameron [BB-8, Proton Torpedoes, Push the Limit, Autothrusters] (42)
Standard Space Donut, now using Poe to hunt down Auto-thrusters with green turn into barrel roll into boost + focus.
Was thinking about using Blue Ace for even higher mobility, but with only 2 ships on the table I figured the increased survivability was more important.
>they're one-use, but comparable cost to multi-use cannons
>they have stringent firing conditions that make shots hard to modify, so you spend lots of points on something that might not hit and won't stay around if you miss
>Oh look another tryhard Poe li-
Two-ship lists are not great for inexperienced pilots, as a general rule.
Complete List of Lightsaber Colors in Legends:
>Blue-core (white with blue core)
>Blue, w/ black core
>Blue, w/ cyan core
>Bronze w/ yellow core
>Cyan w/ silvery glow
>Green w/ black core
>Orange w/ black core
>Orange w/ yellow core
>Purple w/ black core
>Red, w/ black core
>Red w/ orange core
>Violet w/ Black Core
>White-black (white with black core)
>Yellow w/ Black Core
Man, imagine being the guy with a Brown lightsaber. You'd never live that down.
An extra boost to the Ion Engines due to an undersized reactor? Heat radiators? Ablative armor?
Honestly, the design is just to mate the smaller TIE fighter aesthetics with the capital ship aesthetics of the Star Destroyers, showing that it's a much smaller ship, so borrows some aesthetics from their smaller ships.
does vader wear his cape in his tie fighter? If so, is it uncomfortable? If not, does he store it on the ship?
You....shit, I was about to say you can see his eye socket but I'm not so sure now
So, FFG Star Wars RPG. Three games, same system, different focuses, between scoundrels, Rebels, and Jedi.
How well do they mix, and how does it feel compared to SAGA? I'm trying to get out of the d20 splurge and FFG's Star Wars is familiar yet not d20 (or WoD, which is the other system I'm used to).
Some of the stuff people mod for X-wing is so fucking cool.
which upset me because as nice as Fury Class is I really wanted SIth to fly around in a Meditation Sphere
The cape is made of material that offers a little bit of protection vs blasters and light sabers (very little vs sabers)
And the cape also serves to help keep dust and dirt out of his computer systems.
>Billaba fell to the Dark Side in Legends
Got into Armada recently. Planning to have Imp fleet consisting of something along the lines of ISD-II with a couple upgrades, 2 Raider-Is w/ Ordnance Experts, and Demolisher once I can get the pack for it. For the smallish squadron complement: do you think the Imperial fighters/bombers are good enough, or do you prefer the R&V ships enough that they should take priority over TIEs?
Did anyone ever find out what kind of ship this is?
It's the unnamed merc leader's one from the Naboo Starfighter game but was it ever used anywhere else? Or does it have anything resembling it?
Firesprays out of R&V are a must for Empire. Combine the with Major Rhymer and boosted comms, and you can alpha strike people from beyond their weapons range with ease. Then, add Dengar to keep your death ball from ever being tied down
But his only real love was Duty.
Also wasn't the super-ladies-man thing from those two or three TCW cartoon-based books by Traviss that nobody ever talks about other than to cite as evidence killing Pellaeon was likely NOT her choice? They are not hated like Order 66, Impcom, and everything she wrote that was set after endor, or liked like Hard contact and maybe tripple zero. They are in that same grey area as True Colors where nobody really gives a fuck.
Also few people even read them because even before Traviss herself turned on the TCW cartoon her fans did not overlap with fans of the show.
I bought a couple packs then traded with a friend who plays rebels. If you can find them cheap on eBay then grab them by all means, but most of the wave 2 stuffs is still pricey there.
Also, Assault Proton Torpedoes are a godsend for hitting past rebel shields when using Gladiators and Raiders. Unfortunately, they are only in the rebel MC30 box.
Unless you only play with complete shitheads you can just proxy cards. Nobody playing casually expects people to buy everything to get cards.
And hell, wave 1 ships are still viable.
Had an idea for a list for Schwiggity Schwang (X-Wing). I like it, and I'm a tournament vet from way back. So fuck your shit if you don't. Just thought I'd share it, scrubs.
4 x Academy Pilots
2 x Scimitar Squadron bombers, each with:
2 x XX-25 S-Thread Tracers, 1 x Proton Torpedo, 1 x Extra Munitions, 1 x Munitions Failsafe.
For 98 pts, you get six TIEs, two of which have 6 HP. The bombers use Focus to fire the tracers and give the TIEs and themselves TLs on one target per bomber, then the fighters focus fire on whoever has the pile of TL tokens until they're fucking wreckage. Each bomber has four tracer rounds and two torps, and don't lose ammo if they miss their targets.
Anyone know why this is so expensive but none of the T-70s are close to that price?
It's star wars so it's relevant...
What you mean the book?
What? I thought that was some Weequay guy (Sora Bulq)
Vaapad is a lightsaber form that was created by Windu and was the most aggressive and vicious form that the Jedi used. And not many used it cause they were scared that all the emotions and stuff involved in it would turn people to the dark side.
Im aware - Windu and Bulq developed it together. Windu was able to keep his shit straight, but the clone wars got to Bulq and he went nuts.
In hindsight, Windu probably would have understood how retarded he was had the wars ended, and he not gotten thrown out a window. However, that does seem to be his defining character trait
>people have an issue?
>hah, thats there problem
>currently in #19 of the Marvel 1977 comics
holy shit this is so good,it's really naive an undercooked, but still really fun and gives you more of the pulpy fantasy side of Star Wars that you just don't get to see much of today
With the up coming ordnance fixes I've revisted my bomber/punisher squadron. How's this look.
it did start with it, they even had the courtesy of keeping the green Lucasfilms ltd logo thingy at the beginning instead of the fucking Disney logo one, which would have had me instantly walk out of the movie if they'd shown it.
Its not early enough in the morning for such low effort shitposting
Is there anything wrong with a 2 X-wing, 2 Y-wing list?
Got two core sets already and I just really like Y-wings for some reason.
I never played X-wing the tg game but I'm tempted every day more, are Y-Wing good? They are my preffered sw star fighter. But I don't like the rebels that much, can they be used be SCum?
Looks like a fun list to play. Can't see any glaring errors in it. I usually don't put bombs on my torp busses but that's just my preference.
I'm planning on running Pun-Bom-Bom list when Imp Vets drop
I've found with the punishers since they manouver like a pregnant whale having just a cheap bomb gives me something i can do about an awing or something gluing itself to my ass. They're too dependant on getting actions for me to like kturns as an option.
Now that I think about it having the reactor be so large it protrudes outside of the primary hull seems like a design flaw.
Man, Yoda's widdle Interceptor looks cute as fuck.
I assume the part that actually needs shitting out fits through that hole then.
Yep, its pretty much just armour there which breaks loose and the core gets punted out below.
Course, that still leaves the problem of a small sun going off nearby and being down to whatever batteries its got!
Once within range 3 of target everyone focuses, Tala fires tracers, everyone else acquire target lock and fires 4 attack dice with TL and focus, 1 dice gets turned into a hit and the target can't use evade tokens.
You know, having a emergency bomb is actually a good idea now that i think about it. I haven't really played around enough with the Punisher but i can agree that it maneuvers like a brick.
updated my list
Hey /swg/ I'm working on setting up a campaign with some friends set around the time of the Force Awakens and need some help finding good pictures of ships.
Any of you anons have some "advanced"/"upgraded" designs similar to what we see in the movie? I know there's some concept art floating around but can't seem to track it down.
Messing with Juke and I came up with this focus fuckery list. What say you, /swg/?
Ep.VIII concept TIE ??? (maybe Fighter, maybe Interceptor, maybe Unknown new type)
>Some people unironically like Faloni's Fanfiction.
>The man is worse than Karen Traviss
Don't know if this counts since it's old fanon
TIE Devastator, essentially a TIE Hunter/TIE Phantom loveshild
Your implying that Filoni was more then just a backseat to George Lucas for the majority of the series.
George gets top billing in the credits
The thing with Filoni, his fanwank includes everyone else's fanwank (Bane, Darksaber, Asajj, Cyborg Maul, RepCom, among others).
Of course, in the end it's still fanwank, just that it's deemed official by Disney/Lucas.
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!66:27,143:-1:25:;64:14:-1:25:;64:14:-1:25:;64:14:-1:25:;64:14:-1:25:;64:26:-1:25: try this instead, guarantees the successful TL and means you're more likely to be able to fire the thread tracers before the enemy focuses that Z-95 down.
Not a fun of cluster missiles, i prefer concussion or homing since they can be fired from range 3 like tracers. I could try the list you posted with concussions, even if they make you spend the TL you still have a focus and 2 dice turning into hits automatically.
Yes. Billaba went to Haruun Kal during the Clone Wars, which is a jungle planet with dark side taint. As Windu's Padawan, she was one of the few people in the order who was trained in Vaapad.
How retarded who was?
I'm gonna toss a spiritual successor tot he Z-95/Heavy-95 at my players to steal.
I have three candidates and I can't decide which one to use, so i defer to you guys.
>How retarded who was?
>take a Sith sword style
>modify it to be a Jedi style
>still pretty darkside regardless
>everyone else who trains in the style falls to the dark side
>Windu doesn't realize his style is to blame, and thinks everyone else is just weak
As I said, one of his defining character traits is a complete dodge of responsibility. A good example of that is his opinion of Boba
>he hates me because I killed his dad?
>he'll just have to forgive me because i dont care
Wendig is worse then Traviss
No one knows for sure because all the records got erased. But its likely she had a meltdown because of TCW retconning her material and all the flamewars she participated in
or this one? (disregard that is says Incom)
>Z-95 spiritual successor
What like one of these?
He wrote Star Wars Aftermath, which is a relatively shitty book.
Worse, while it did introduce some LGBT characters, the tumblr fanbase of Wendigs started attacking anyone who panned the book as being homophobes, not reading the book, etc.
Its a pretty awful book, and reviews have not been kind.
Heres more for you, pasta from a few threads back...
>I've been following the reviews on Amazon, and to say the least Wendig and his fans are spinning like crazy. There's very little "rage" (as the headline says), just lots of disappointed readers who've never been exposed to his eccentric and off-putting style until now. The rage is supplied by author and fans: they have come up with new excuse after new excuse for why Star Wars fans are awful people, starting with the tin-foil hat conspiracy about an "Alliance" of EU diehards who refuse to accept a different version. Read through the negative reviews, and you'll find instead readers who say that they have no problem letting go of the old EU, but that Wendig's is the worst SW book they've read. EVER. Second dodge, all SW fans who don't like his book are homophobes now. Once Wendig's fans were primed, though, EVERYBODY'S a homophobe. One reviewer on Amazon who identified himself as bi said he was surprised to find that he was supposedly an enemy of gays just because he panned the book.
>Then there's the suggestion by Wendig that the one-star reviews aren't legitimate, because they probably didn't really buy the book. That's simple to rebut: use Amazon's search filter to isolate "verified purchase" reviews only, and guess what? One-star reviews *still* run two-to-one against five-star reviews. When the "verified purchase" dodge didn't work, they tried making an issue of whether the reviewers had ever reviewed anything else (but it was found that a lot of the five-star reviews were first-time reviews).
>When these attacks failed to achieve the goal of making disappointed Star Wars fans shut up, Wendig and company started getting even more creative. More than one reader noted that Wendig's choppy style is so badly written that reading it makes you feel like you're having a seizure, Wendig's supporters tried to claim that the reviewer was making a joke about *epileptics*. However, it doesn't take much searching to find Wendig himself talking about bad writing causing *him* a "seizure" on his own blog, just a few months ago. Just the same, they are striving to find any word or nuance that can be twisted into an attack. And yet it's the Star Wars readers who are supposedly in a "rage".
>Wendig doesn't come off nearly so civil and gentlemanly on Twitter and his blog as he does in a friendly interview like this. He has been inciting hatred among his fans, and mocking Star Wars readers with something akin to the classic "ha ha got your money sucks to be you" attitude.
>It's not hard to see why Star Wars fans don't like Wendig's take. It's clear that he doesn't have as much respect for the source as he pretends. Even beyond his awful writing style, he comes up with stuff that would sound more at home in The Jetsons, like "space diapers". Instead of escapist adventure, he wants to make SW a mirror of the real world, so much so that when the imperial "cops" arrive in the first scene to take on a crowd pulling down a statue, his description of them sounds exactly like the LAPD, complete with red strobe lights. He retreads gags from the movie that were great – in the movies – but reuses them in disconcerting ways, suggesting that Han Solo "always says" fly casual, as if it's just some dumb catch phrase he repeats all the time (he's not Han Solo, he's Ace Rimmer), while Admiral Ackbar is going around worrying about traps.
Wendig has a contract for 2 more books
You could use a new production run of the Clone Z-95, which is apparently a slightly improved version with an emphasis on higher speed and agility. Maybe with the Empire on the way out and the private starfighter industry becoming less and less regulated, Incom/Subpro start a new production run of the old design, which while no longer sufficient as a line fighter, is a straight up better Z-95.
What about this one?
He knows how dangerous it is. Why do you think that he refuses to teach to anyone besides those who he believes are capable of using it without falling? Plenty of other Jedi have used Juyo without falling too.
We're doomed, aren't we?
I mean, I do like some quirky books
like those silly Vader bedtime stories for kids, pls don't kill me /tg/, but that shit sounds fucking terrible and unfortunately canon to boot. And his attitude fits a stereotypical hipster.
Fuck, I thought we're off to a good start with Zuvio's and Ithano's little adventures.
>Its a pretty awful book, and reviews have not been kind.
I started reading it last year, got about halfway through and just sort of put it aside and forgot about it.
Don't really care about the gay characters- they're the least you have to worry about as its just really fucking dull, written like a 16y/o's first essay (this is coming from someone who has to chew through engineering manuals on a fairly regular basis) and lurches from one scene to the next like a drunken ramble.
Just failed to engage me on any level.
Its not the LGBT content, its the terrible writing, and authors complete disconnect with Star Wars. He writes the setting like hes never experienced it before
Was Jango Fett super gay? He could have just fucked someone and got a kid that way.
Depends on the ends and the means. Lots of Jedi have used Juyo without falling. It's actually a required style to learn in order to become a Battlemaster.
Also, Windu had defeated Palpatine with Vaapad and would have killed him and stopped the Rise of the Empire which would have saved countless lives.
He literally writes like its a teenagers diary about their suburb and what the neighbours are doing.
Hell I could write more interesting things about my neighbours being 'spice addicts' and getting chased around in circles at 3am by the cops covering everything/everyone in pepper spray. They're largely useless cunts, but fairly entertaining in a macabre sort of way.
>Depends on the ends and the means.
The Ends never justify the Means when your a Jedi, Anon.
"Emotion, yet Peace" or "No Emotion, Only Peace" - it matters not. Juyo and Vaapad are both styles designed to channel negative and malignant emotion into killing power.
Even if you saved the galaxy using the dark side, you would never save it from yourself.
>Besides, you know he was fucking Zam.
He got some pretty questionable taste.
But then, changelings are pretty much Star Wars' Mystique, right? You can be anyone.
But then again, maybe that's why he decided to adopt. You don't want to know if every girl you fucked is Zam in disguise or a Huttese changeling. You don't want THAT to be your kids' mother.
Sometimes you just got to off a bitch. If that is the only way to protect yourself and others that Jedi do what Jedi gotta do. They can always meditate on it afterwards and/or put themselves on trail if they feel bad about it or believe they went to far
Trivializing a failure in conscience is an easy path to losing conscience all together
Who do you play as in Force and Destiny ? Are you ex-jedi, some jobbers with lightsabers, general force adepts, or all of the above ?
And besides, the OJO was pretty much into the "Ends justify the Means" philosophy at the end.
They weren't adverse to jackin' speeders or otherwise being general assholes if it meant they could accomplish their missions
Seeing as how Mace Windu is one of the primary contributors to the stagnation and fall of the OJO, my point stands. He was blind to the rise of the Sith that happened right under his nose
The Ends don't justify the Means Anon
You would argue that destroying a Sith Lord is a Jedi's sworn duty, no matter the method. By that rationalization, its not far to seeing weapons of terror such the Death Stars for such a purpose, because, in your view, the Means are justified by the Ends
TCW is just as bad as rebels. Everything this man touches, turns to shit. He's his own lucas.
Hes like King Midas. but instead of gold, its shit. The Matt Ward of post-Lucas Starwars
Lets never forget the TCW movie.
Easy it is to jump to such impatient logic. You argue that any method, any means, is right by the goal accomplished.
You miss my meaning entirely - that if you use evil to defeat evil, you have accomplished nothing
All of the above. My fellow PCs are honest to god Jedi Knights, but that's mostly because we're in a KOTOR-era game.
I was considering retiring my EotE/F&D hybrid character in favour of a Gand Seer findsman who believes his order's ways are what work for him instead of the Jedi theories, but I like where Hutt Canderous is going now he suddenly developed Force powers.
My first FaD game is coming up soon, and we'll be a group of force sensitive scrubs all brought together by an Order 66 survivor (who our GM has thus far described to us as "if Obi-Wan had been played by Toshiro Mifune"), who I predict will get offed relatively early, starting us on our adventures running from the Empire and trying to do good.
everyone wants to run a setting where Han doesn't save Luke's ass in the Death Star run right?
>rebel base destroyed
>Luke goes down (dead? Captured?)
>leia takes anakin's lightsaber
>PCs escape yavin with the fragments of the fleet (maybe only have one or two starfighters)
The players are in the fleet. Obviously, the setting goes the way that players influence. But, should Luke be alive? Obi-Wan doesn't Can't appear to Leia because she never met him. I think I'd make Leia and r2-d2 (who also gets to play threepio) as playable characters.
Interesting choices the players get to make
>leia can continue to support the rebel alliance directly,
>or she can seek out the ways of the Jedi. Are the jenussaari active?
>everyone wants to run a setting where Han doesn't save Luke's ass in the Death Star run right?
I did that in my last long campaign, Han ran away, Luke got smoked and the DS1 kept on rolling until they (PC's) eventually blew it up at massive loss of life, 100's of starfighters and a couple of stolen Venator SD's
I'd assume Vader has the wrecked fighter towed in, Luke's probably alive because JEDI but totally wrecked. Maybe as bad as Vader is. Could even be so rough as to be undetectable as his own son, but still force-sensitive and useful to him. Slap him in a robot suit and get to apprenticing. How would that be for pottery?
No, young one. The only absolute is that Evil corrupts, absolutely.
But not all those in darkness, are lost.
To be fair, the Sith were really fucking good at hiding.
And the Jedi were stagnant for a long time before Mace came around.
By my logic, it depends on the Ends and Means. Vaapad is completely fine being used against a Sith Lord who has taken over the Galaxy.
In fact, if you can control it, you're completely fine in using it.
Jormi Takala, human and Failed Jedi with a alcohol problem. He was a Padawan that never could master the fine arts of serenity and meditation and thus got shunted into MediCorps, since he was a decent healer and could stitch a wound up pretty good, plus the Clone Army was in dire need of competent medics.
Come Order 66 and the Clone Commander he pulled from the brink of death at the operating table a week earlier pulls a blaster on him and in the commotion Jormi takes his first life in anger. After evading clone patrols and pulling a fast one on a resupply shuttle captain he casts of his jedi robes and starts life anew as a freelance goods trader.
Fast forward a few years and his second career has gone to shit and all he cares about is the next shot of booze. His main reason to tag along on this damn foolish idealistic crusade is to make sure these young whippersnappers don't get themselves into too much trouble. And besides, the cantina keeper told him he couldn't float him any more.
Favorite qoute is "I don't have a problem with alcohol, I have a problem with reality."
Now, why would the empire continue blowing up planets? It's a strategic move for alderaan (if they're secretly funding rebels) and yavin base, but after the first few planet side bases get #wrecked, they'd stop clustering together and operate in cells, or stay as a fleet since the first Death Star can't target individual ships. You don't blow up an occupied planet for six or seven poorly armed rebels, and I imagine that the Death Star moves extremely slowly through hyperspace, or at least is not very manueverable because they didn't jump into line of sight with the rebel base.
Death Star becomes the new seat of the galactic empire, because the senate has been disbanded
Well, they did manage early on to get hold of some information whereby Darth was firing up an old CIS superweapon and had that, so it was used to successfully drive a wedge between Palps and Darth.
Darth started his 'new Sith Empire' in the outer rim and there was a fairly large fracture of Imperial forces that followed him out there (@30%)
While 'him and you fight', it did allow the rebels to get a toehold in on some other areas where they aren't public enemy #1 and build up some respectable strength.
Breaking character for this one, I actually find that highly bullshit, and thankfully, no longer canon.
Everything I've said is true - its a swordstyle where you employ naked hatred and rage in combat. Vaapad is at least restrained, and controlled - Juyo is not.
Jedi using Juyo makes about as much sense as Jar Jar using Juyo
All in all, it sounds like masturbatory grey jedi bullshit.
I bought the old Republic encyclopedia.
Very pretty book.
It's set during the time of the tor, with the sith empire and old Republic truce, but there aren't any game mechanics referenced. It's very much a campaign setting type book.
Has a short timeline of major events, 40 pages on the Republic, 42 on the Jedi order, 36 on the sith empire, 46 on the sith themselves, 8 on the Mandalorians, 38 on the underworld, 8 on the hutt cartel, 26 on species, and 60 on planets.
Very pretty book with good layout , and definitely enough to serve as a campaign setting for an old Republic campaign around this time period. Even has a decent index.
Only a few gripes.
I'd have liked a bit more text and less focus on pretty visuals; and it has a shitty slip cover. Under the slip cover, is the cover art without the title text. The some at least still contains the title, however.
Grey Jedi never make sense to me. Especially when people associate Qui-Gon with it.
Wasn't Qui-Gon just a Jedi master that gave zero fucks about what the order says or whatever Odan-Urr shits out, instead of someone who can shits out lightning without drawbacks?
They use very Jedi to refer to any Jedi that don't tow the party line. Whether they sometimes use dark side powers, or simply ignore the rules and orders of the council, is irrelevant.
It's basically saying: well, they're not Sith, but they won't do what we want them to, so we're varying degrees of suspicious of them, as individual circumstances dictate.
Without diving into the wook, I couldn't say about Qui Gon - he always truck me as very Zen, in that he didn't base his decisions on the will of masters or council, but on the ebb and flow of the will of the force.
Grey Jedi poster guy is Jolee Bindo and Kyle Katarn - the guys who basically say "code ain't important, what you do, is" - worse so with Katarn, because his philosophy is pure ends and means - specifically that you can run around force choking people and its all ok.
the very worst Grey Jedi thinking is the idea that there is no Light or Dark sides of the force - the force is the force, so there is nothing inherently wrong with using the force for good intentions, no matter how you use it. Which is not only wrong, its delusional.
Then you have the Potentium heretics, who honestly believe a balanced jedi should adhere to BOTh the light and the dark side.
The way I see it, qui-gon is a good example of a gray Jedi (living force and stuff). He tries to let the force act through him, not master the force like the main Jedi order.
Grey Jedi shitting out force lightning are on their way to darkness.
Although to be honest, I like the way that grey Jedi are handled in the original d20 Star Wars system. You can meditate them away with force points, but every use of force lightning gives you a dark side point. They can choose to spend force points to remove the dark side point, but doing that makes you weaker
>Grey Jedi never make sense to me.
Really? It's pretty much a blanket term for anyone not philosophically tied to the Jedi or Sith but still trained to some extent in their divergent orthodoxy.
The Sith are a divergent faction of Jedi whose philosophy is a reaction to that of the Jedi and much of their tradition is to some degree informed by that heritage. "Grey Jedi" is someone conceptually similar but unaffiliated with the Sith. I'd argue Revan was all three at different times.
add canards, a see-through cockpit and slap a honkin' big engine under each wing and you got a Kihraxz Fighter
It's still canon you nignog.
And it's not based on hate, it's based on aggression.
And you're forgetting that the definition of Jedi used to be really flexible.
Potentium states it's not the Force that has a Light and Dark Side but the person who uses it.
And Luke used Force Lightning in the EU without being Dark Side.
I don't mind that approach.
The original Je'daii order was all about avoiding straying too far to *either* side of the Force, and instead staying neutral and in control of yourself.
Then they got rakatan force saber, with beams powered directly by the user channeling the dark side rather than another power source, and it was the only weapon they had that could fight off the rakatan invaders trying to wipe them out.
The order fell out of balance, schismed into fanatics who reactionarily swung full light side and others determined to hoard power went full dark side in case of future attacks, and they split, with only a few of them staying neutral and rational.
(dawn of the jedi)
And yes, this is Legends canon, not nu Disney canon. New Disney canon a shit. Legends canon mixed quality, but it of what I've read /seen, basically all good before 30 bby.
Grey Jedi are also the preferred "orthodoxy" of choice for super special OC donut steel characters. Notably, people who don't have the chops to adhere to a code when playing a character, nor willing to accept balancing limits on their behavior, nor suffer the consequences when they cross those bounds.
They want the best of both worlds - power without responsibility, and the force without consequences.
I'm gonna catch flak for "nofunallowed" "badwrongfun" - but I really dislike it when people want to shortcut their way to a lightsaber and force powers without working for either.
Even playing a Sith requires an adherence to chaotic evil stupidity.
Yeah, I liked that system as well. Dark powers that are strong, powerful and cheap as fuck to play with, but for every use it corrupts you, and it corrupts you absolutely. And if you do redeem, by the time you got completely purified from too much corruption, you'll be left with almost nothing.
I sure hope MMBN4 and 5 weren't the only vidya that use this, Bioware and Fable's morality system are boring.
By the OJO's standards Nomi Sunrider would be a Grey Jedi.
Hell, the Original Jedi Code would be Grey Jedi territory, despite the fact it's objectively better than the normal code.
>And Luke used Force Lightning in the EU without being Dark Side.
You really shouldn'y use the EU to justify your arguments, considering the majority of the EU is shit.
Lets not forget that Sheev could literally give people the force with a wave of his hand, and Luke turned to the dark side and became his apprentice.
In what new canon source is Juyo mentioned, and or referred to, as a Jedi style? Unless its mentioned in some background conversation in TCW, or one of the new canon books, I highly doubt it still is.
Also, Legends Canon is not the same thing as Actual Canon.
Juyo being whatever the fuck people think it is, is Legends, and extremely open to interpretation.
There is a very big difference in what Grey Jedi could be interpreted as, and what Grey Jedi usually are in relation to characters.
Point is this, any philosophy that says you can get away with using dark side shit with good intentions, is objectively wrong - and thats the crux of the grey jedi issue.
Even a broke ass clock is right twice a day.
Sith are chaotic stupid, and movie era Jedi are a bunch of puritanical religious fanatics.
Both are pretty stupid.
Correllian Jedi are less stupid, and kotor era Jedi (pre abstinence laws, old Jedi code) are pretty decent.
>kotor era Jedi
KotOR Jedi aren't much different from OJO Jedi
I think you mean TotJ Jedi, in which case, I completely agree
Anyone got some good hooks/missions that a ISB cell might be up to?
I already have:
>infiltrate suspected rebel cell
>investigate possible link between pirates and shady governor
>false flag war crimes
Look at the Wook. It's nuCanon.
"Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force."
The only thing philosophy eise that the OJO was right about was not being consumed by your anger and hate and not using the Dark Side. Suppressing your emotions was a terrible idea. Accepting your anger and learning to live with it was the actual way.
Nice dubs, and I can see where you might get that impression. But the idea there are ONLY mainline Jedi and Sith in the Galaxy irks me. I'm okay with the eternal struggle between those two traditions dominating galactic history but there is room for more ideas and interactions with the Force.
For example, I'm preparing a game with a cabal of Force users, all former Jedi or Sith, who have come to believe that Force-users are inherently exploiting the Force and seek to wipe them out. Are they Jedi or Sith? Grey Jedi? Something else?
Movie Sith on the other hand seems stupid evil than chaotic to me.
Kinda makes me want to see a buddy cop pastiche featuring a stupid good Jedi and a chaotic stupid sith work together, like exposing a Hutt corruption in an assbackward planet somewhere in the galaxy.
That ends with both killing themselves or corrupting/redeeming the other.
There's a lot of Force traditions in the Galaxy, and none can be said to be objectively right. Some are definitely wrong, like the Sith, but others, like the Aing-Tii or the Jensaarai or the Green Jedi just have a different interpretation of the Force.
Which is exactly how my players got involved
>merchant lords daughter OD's
>local security don't give any kinda fucks
>lord thinks its the work of a local scum gang
>offers booku money to player party to find out
Players found out it was an ISB op, but couldn't get away with any proof. They realized that if they tried to whistleblow the op, they'd just get into trouble with the Empire - still, they got paid, and thats whats important in the end
Nothing in that about Juyo, jedi using juyo, or juyo not being evil as fuck.
I agree about the emotion suppression though - it leads to a loss of humanity, and its never really represented, considering some jedi (Plo Koon) actually do have emotions and care a lot about people around them
There are a lot of different force traditions, with different views. But they all have codes of conduct and philosophy.
Grey Jedi PC's are often made by players who don't want something to limit them. Like a code of conduct or a philosophy to interpret
Well, the 2003 series are known to be flashy as fuck, so expect some Matrix shit or DBZ powerlevel. Some say it supposed to be seen from the perspective of a boy or something.
Still doesn't justify decanonizing Durge or those ARC troopers.
>Form VII, also known asJuyoorVaapad, was the seventh form oflightsaber combat. It was considered the most aggressive and unpredictable form, earning the nickname 'the Ferocity Form'. Because of this, it was generally favored by Dark-siders, though it was practiced by Jedi as well. Notable practitioners of Form VII wereDarth MaulandMace Windu.
It's aggressive, yes, but not inherently evil. It's favored by Darksiders because it's easy for them to use.
The Muunilist 10 will live on in our hearts. Those ARC Troopers deserve being canon
>Grey Jedi PC's are often made by players who don't want something to limit them. Like a code of conduct or a philosophy to interpret
One thing I like about F&D is it gives each a personal framework for values and morality. If one of my players couldn't produce a philosophy or similar in favor of their own free will, I would really make them double down on what their character would do.
Fuuuuck, your unfortunately right
I will concede, but its still stupid, and it makes literally no sense. its the same kinda shit as giving jedi double blades - everything from Maul apparently got lifted and given to the fucKING jedi.
Double-bladed sabres cropping up more during TCW is put down to the Jedi Order becoming more militarised; they would have likely had records of double bladed sabre usage from their past, and such weapons were very effective weapons of war in the hands of a Jedi.
So, some Jedi made new ones, or old ones were rediscovered/refurbished, in the face of the war.
Potentium was always bullshit, just like all the crap that came with the Vong.
But Kyle' s "Mess with the dark side kiddo" in academy was pure gameplay mechanics, and his use of it in outcast was a near-fall to the darkside. His use in JK was partly mechanics, but also helped lead to his fall in MotS.
Juyo appeared as a Jedi thing in KotOR 2
Jedi having double blades appeared first in KotOR
You can rationalize it, and I respect you for trying, but its an issue when sith things are given to jedi because people think those things are cool