Right /tg/ which one of these bastards is your favorite?
I don't even play Word Bearers, but damn he's awesome.
Sanguinuis, one of three primarchs with amazing hair
I'm still learning my lore, does anyone have time enough to list these primarchs /legions?
I recognize some, but I like this collection image and having a reference may help me keep my lore straight.
Lion, borderline paladin (great duelist who is incorruptible and wields a sick fucking sword), social problems with an actual excuse for them, sacrificed his legion twice once during the great crusade the other during the horus heresy (saved the northern part of the galaxy from xenos in the great crusade, watchers in the dark were feeding him information during the horus heresy that Luthor and the men back at Caliban were starting to turn on him Lion knew half his men were going to rebel but kept on mission and saved the eastern part of the galaxy and just missed the battle of terra because of russ who said they should liberate every world along the way), he was fearless dude fought Curze who was hands down the scariest primarch and inb4 space marines can't feel fear its hinted in the books that depends on the marine/primarch as dorn sure as fuck feared curze whereas lion knew no fear. Lions only fuck up imo was being merciful to Luthor but that's again understandable because he was like his father and plus the emperor was merciful to Horus during their final battle.
Inb4 dark angels/lion are traitors if you know your lore on them and read the books you know the dark angels are among the holiest of holy.
so is the emperor unholy because half of his sons were corrupted by chaos? They came from him after all. 40k isn't black and white and to try and make it black and white would be a lie. It all depends on the man and the emperor knows that. Next.
Well guys, I looked it up, and apparently Kotygoroh is one of the lost primarchs! He was known for outstanding strength, and the giant mace he used as a weapon. However, he was also a total Slav, so the Emperor had to -
No, look at who it says they're making - Horus (you can actually look him up, he's done), Corvax and Dorn, as well as an unknown Primarch. Kotygoroh is spoilers for unknown primarch, a Slavic influenced one.
Hey guys. What's going on in this thread?
I suppose I'd have to say Angron, though he is a total cunt. While his story was kind of tragic I enjoyed the way other characters interacted with him much more than I enjoyed him as a character.
>tfw Fulgrim is likely hanging himself out of jealousy that he'll never be as fabulous as Sanguinius
No, I'm sure Malcador told Dorn that he'd suggested female Primarchs to cut back on the sibling rivalry. Which would suggest a certain lack of familiarity with women, to be fair.
>HH is now canon
Jesus christ, the best part of the Dark Angels was you never knew if Lion was loyal or not but then the books come out and he's not only loyal but SUPER FUCKING LOYAL. Also why did Russ want to liberate every world? He seems like the one who was most loyal to the Emperor himself (if not the Imperium) why would he not want to rush to his side? I get that he outranked the Lion but still doesn't make sense
Lion'O looks so much better with a beard.
Also, Lion is best Primarch because he is also the best knight of the round table.
Lorgar. He's basically a complete loser who got manipulated on all sides and wasn't even the most important person in his own Legion, so I find him very relatable.
He also went from being the weakest and laziest primarch to being the third strongest psyker alive and bringing the galaxy to its goddamn knees. Lorgar's character growth is what makes him so amazing even if he is an unlikeable shithead.
Not that guy you replied to, but I do think that female Primarch would have doomed the Imperium faster than what the regular one did.
Check out on those stories like the survivor thing with the male/female camp where the men managed to get shit done and the women had to get help everywhere or they'd die.
Or the one with the female agency that closed down because the bitchfest was too much and work wasn't getting done.
Put the Emperor's child rearing skills and 40K grimdarkness and watch the thing go down in flames.
He was. Go back and read Angels of Death, 2nd Edition. Page 12 makes it abundantly clear that he was FUCKANGRY when Luthor turned to Chaos.
Distort fluff to fit your agenda all you want, but motherfucker was loyal.
It was erebus and kor who actually did all the work, and continue to do it while Lorgar sits on his ass. He is the only demon primarch to not do anything since the HH ended. Fuck even Mortarion got off his diabetic ass and did shit.
>Implying Daemon prince status is a good thing
>Implying it doesn't mean playing second fiddle to the daemon now fucking around in your body.
>Implying it's not the ultimate form of getting cucked
No, if you look online, the guy is making Corvax. Kotygoroh is legit an unknown Primarch - he died before the HH because Russ killed him. (Though there was no body and some suggest Russ let him go after beating him.) Now, the reason the Emperor wanted Kotygoroh dead has to do all with his Legion, the -
literally the dumbest/worst of the loyalist bunch
>get ass penetrated by Fulgrim TWICE
>be giant gaping asshole to everyone
>charge blindly into trap that is Istvaan V despite Vulkan's and Corax's misgivings
>charge blindly into Iron Warriors once trap is sprung fucking over Salamanders and Raven Guard
>Toughest by default
>Loyal enough not to die which you can't say for all his brothers
>Doesn't take shit from autistic furries
>Didn't kill himself like Russ
>bringing the galaxy to its goddamn knees
Fuck no. He was manipulated by Erebus and Kor Phaeron just like all the others. He wasn't the mastermind of the heresy, he was its first primarch victim. Probably because he was so insecure and pathetic and therefore an easy target.
We can't confirm that Mortarion would still be alive if he wasn't a Daemon. Lion on the other hand is definitely 100% alive, and is therefore the toughest Primarch. He's just too chill to do anything right now. Which reminds me
>Lion was the chillest Primarch
>no he just got mortally wounded by a non astartes
I think you need to look up what mortal wound means. Luthers sneak attack only knocked him out, which is kind of like how Lion knocked Russ out, except Lion didn't need the powers of Chaos, just one punch to the glassjaw of a dogfucker.
>>Implying it doesn't mean playing second fiddle to the daemon now fucking around in your body.
Fulgrim was playing around with the daemon. The Daemon never had any real control over his body.
Going by the "Purge" novella, this was something in Lorgar genetics. The need to seek out and serve something greater than oneself. All the Word Bearer's have this programmed in their genesed.
The Emperor created Lorgar and the geneseed....so it might have been an intentional thing on his part.
Luthor was backed by all four chaos gods though, the dark gods turned to him after horus died as their champion, Luthor was raised to primarch strength, Lion was still winning though and sliced Luthor up but couldn't finish him off because he considered him as his father, brother, and old best friend, he basically got sentimental and merciful like the emperor did with horus in their final battle. Luthor mortally wounded him by lashing out with a viscous psychic attack.
Why isnt it in Legion order? That pisses me right off.
>Because total bro and siege of Terra
Least fav Primarch: Dorn
>Because The Iron Cage.
what a twat. I mean all the Primarchs and the Emp were idiots but throwing away hundreds if not thousands of marines and irreplaceable equipment into an obvious trap for fuck all was ridiculous.
I love the Great Wolf, if you know what I mean.
On Primarch scale, that's incredibly chill. Most other Primarchs would have either had an autist fit or smacked someone.
Also that only emphasizes that Jaghatai was chill. So many of his other brothers got their autismal panties in a superknot over whatever they were into. Jaghatai never let the inherent autism all Primarchs seem to have blind him to things.
>The emperor wasnt an idiot
what the fuck am i reading? Almost every decision he made with his Primarchs led to the HH, the bullshit with whisking Angron away for example, idiot. Council of Nikaea, idiot. Clusterfucking Lorgars homeworld, idiot.
Perturabo may have been great at math, but he was still an idiot. He never tried to stop and think of things from different angles or try other methods.
But yes, Horus was pretty smart until Chaos started taking its toll on him. Corax was pretty smart. Jaghatai was smart since he never got fooled with all this heresy bullshit. Not sure about Russ - you can blame Horus for the whole Prospero thing, but I guess Russ is only smart in that the Emperor is smart, and Russ does what the Emperor wants.
Isn't that basically near canon? Like, the original purpose of the Word Bearers was to eradicate religions, ideas and belief systems that wouldn't gel with the Imperial truth - that's what the Emperor wanted them to do. The problem was they added an unnecessary second step of "Okay your culture is dead, now lemme tell you the good word about the God Emperor".
>Perturabo may have been great at math, but he was still an idiot. He never tried to stop and think of things from different angles or try other methods
to be fair he was a general and he was a brutally effective one. it wasn't his job to think or be political. the only thing wrong he did was decimate his legion.
Chill enough to put up with his pervy little brothers tantrum for an entire day
>can't understand jokes
G-guys I was just joking imagine if I really was that petty rite guyz-*decked*
>more worried about looks than doing the job
Well at least he isn't wearing every bitch he ever fucked.
Yeah, both Lion and the Emperor were hit by a psychic blast powered by the Chaos gods, but one is a skull on life-support and the other just slept it off.
So if you think about it Lion is tougher than the Emperor himself.
Shit now Guts got to lose his other arm so he can be the true Ferrus Manus
Wat. The issue with the Lion was that he was cold to the point that it unnerved his own man. But when he did get emotional, it was purely anger, and he tended to rip the nearest guy apart.
>Can't understand jokes.
That was the furfag.
>more worried about looks than doing the job
That was realpolitik dumbass. He didn't care about his physical looks- he was managing his position to put him next in line to be Warmaster.
Pre-Heresy Horus, Vulkan and Ferrus Manus are pretty much tied for me, with Magnus coming in second. I'd probably like Dorn and Perturabo much more if they weren't such fucking autists though.
>Blindly followed contradictory orders.
How were those orders at all contradictory? Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders at the council of Nikaea, brought a Daemon incursion to Terra, and ruined the Webway project. He was going to be judged harshly. Horus just told Russ what the Emperor's judgement was early and to carry out the sentence.
The Lion is the only Primarch I'd follow into the gates of Chaos to cast down the daemons that lurk within.
>Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders at Nikaea
Funny, so did Russ.
>Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders
He did it again when he disobeyed Emp's direct order to capture Magnus, to follow Horus' order to kill him.
Let's do this. I've read all the Horus Heresy books.
The Lion - 7/10. Martial awesomeness and terrible people skills.
Fulgrim - 10/10. A hilarious twat.
Perturabo - 4/10. I just don't feel this guy.
The Khan - 10/10. Great guy, great leader, great philosophy, but not immune to consequences.
Russ - 5/10. Overrated. Kind of a dick, but that's his part.
Dorn - 3/10. Boring, the no-fun-allowed guy.
Curze - 8/10. The embodiment of absolute grimdark, and the writers know to have fun with this.
Sanguinius - 1/10. He looks impressive, fights good, is generically noble, and is 100% personality-free. Stop treating him like he's cool.
Ferrus - 2/10. Low score because of disappointing handling. Should have had him do more stuff with his legion before killing him off.
Angron - 7/10. Yet another entertaining tragic figure, this one with little but himself to blame for the direction things took.
Guilliman - 8/10. Good intentions with bad decisions but ISN'T a supervillain. I was surprised to end up liking this guy.
Mortarion - 5/10. Not much for dynamic personality, but fun to play others off of, and super rad style.
Magnus - 4/10. Wanted to like him more, but hard to do when you're repeatedly facepalming yourself at his choices.
Horus - 7/10. Gets better with every book he's in. Love how he's increasingly unfettered.
Lorgar - 9/10. The MOST pathos of any Primarch character. Poor guy, great heel turn, fun villain. Another one I was surprised to end up loving.
Vulkan - 8/10. His batshit insane plotline earns him this score on it's own.
Corax - 6/10. Another kinda generically-noble dude, but does his thing well.
Alpharius - 5/10. Intentionally a non-character, but it works, albeit only enough to suffice. That said, Alpha Legion is easily my favorite CSM, and my own 40k tabletop army of choice.
>Sanguinius - 1/10
This is the one line you never cross.
questioning orders while at war is an offense punishable by death. Has been since ancient times dude. besides Russ was at Nikea when the emps told Magnus that if he kept fucking around he would destroy him and erase him and his legion from existence and imperial records, everyone knew what the consequences were so why would he question if the order said "kill Magnus"?
Dorn is my favorite Primarch, though Ferrus is a close 2nd. Magnus if I had to pick a Chaos one.
Let's be honedf c if really wouldn't be tgat thing would be mead and milk soaked beard and locks when wasn't that fucker drinking or fighting somebody; wasnt his fault the bitches just kept distracting him from the rest business of being a lord of more than a single world; or the smashing of a foe it wasn't his fault tgat he was a trusting yet not intellectual of the primarch or even peopled it seemed as who wouldn't really think twice as ND double check on an order of that magnitude but it's the story and those twats of prinarchs as they are essentially children who have all been pretty much trapped in whatever trime frame that they were caught in growth . I like to think they all developed at differentry rates; all the while being the badass mother fuckers that they all enjoyed. Some of them had formal training angryRon, ultramate; others informal And some just fucking insane like batmans.
This furry shit is just like fucking wierd, but hey if that's what happens when shit gets turned wolf wolf wolf wulfen; what's Russ to do he has gone all fucking redemption smashing chaos in the Eye. Shit I like to think that the 13th company is reinforced by Wolf's and wulfen to escape the =][= at times; you pretty much don't hear about that company that had some grumblings at Arma.
But fuck Tldr :
Bring back viking marines
i got a fucking aneurysm trying to read this what is wrong with your h key.
Writer of the list here. Honestly, I genuinely hope I DO find reason to change my mind by the time it's all over. Sanguinius is supposed to be a major, major figure, and having basically everyone else upstage him in terms of personality has been a disappointment. He's suffered MASSIVELY from a "tell, don't show" characterization approach.
I always pictured Horus (obviously) Dorn (personal pretorian and all) Ferrus (him and Horus were the main generals) Russ (his get shit done son trusted him to keep his eyes on the other Primarchs), and Fulgrim (named his legion Emperor's Children after all)
>He is accomplished, very accomplished, even by the standards of the primarchs. He knows that the breadth of his accomplishments troubles his more single-minded brothers like Lorgar and Perturabo. He never displays the pitch of fury found in Angron, nor do his eyes ever ignite with the psychotic gleam of Russ.
He is a high achiever. He knows this about himself. Sometimes it feels like a fault that he has to excuse to his brothers, but then he feels guilty for making excuses. Few of them really trust him, because, he feels, they always wonder what he’s going to get from any compact or cooperation. Fewer still like him: as friends, he counts only Dorn, Ferrus, Sanguinius and Horus.
Some of his brothers are content to be the instruments of crusade they have become. Some of them don’t even pause to consider that is what they are. Angron, Russ, Ferrus, Perturabo… They are just weapons, and have no ambition beyond being weapons. They know their place, like Russ, and are content to keep to it, or they have no idea that any other role might be possible or desirable, like Angron.
>Guilliman believes that none of them were made to be just weapons. No war is meant to last forever. The Emperor, his father, has not raised disposable sons. Why would he have gifted them with such talents if they were destined to become redundant when the war is done?
Russ was just doing his job, everyone was suspicious of Gulliman at the time
>half the legions in rebellion
>3 loyal legions decimated
>top loyal general Ferrus Manus is dead
>no one is sure of Khan, and Jonson at the moment
>Sangy is MIA on the frontier
>Gulliman with the largest legion of them all is just sitting there hording troops not doing anything
yeah, Russ was paranoid... Even Malcador wasn't sure about Gulliman's intentions.
which means that they weren't completely perfect when Guilliman was in charge.
sure, he got the ball rolling but where they are now is due to the one TRUE spiritual liege.
sounds to me like Russ is overcompensating to hide his own cowardice
>is conveniently absent from the initial assault on the traitors at Istvaan.
>Khan and Johnson are known to be far more untrustworthy but Russ feels the need to investigate guilliman instead
>Johnson actually supplied weapons to one of the traitor legions but once again we need to investigate one of the most loyal emperor's sons.
>decides its far more important to kill a loyal primarch drive a loyal legion into joining Horus' side
>doesn't even bother heading to Terra until the 11th hour and does fuck all during the actual heresy
yeah. and then he got attacked by word bearers.
new HH fluff has it as Word bearers + world eaters and some warp fuckery prevents any communications or warp travel going in or out of ultramar.
Except he seriously fucked up with Imperium Secundus and even if he's not directly getting the shit kicked out of him for it, he and his brothers are well aware of it and he's got all the guilt of knowing he might've absolutely screwed over the Emperor and is indirectly responsible for the shithole that the Imperium becomes despite his high ideals and ambitions?
Literally perfect guy.
Then again, that art of him does make him look like Daniel Craig so that's cool too.
His flaw that he was good at building empires when perhaps he really shouldn't have ben building empires.
Given his situation though, Imperium Secundus sounds like a reasonable decision. For all he knew at the time the Imperium could be collapsing completely.
The truth is that Guilliman and the rest of them sacrificed the Imperium's long term viability in order to win in the short term. They gave up all the technological advancements of the Great Crusade era, the raw martial strength of the Legions, everything in order to keep the Imperium afloat in the dark days after the Heresy, when it could have easily fallen apart into a dozen fragments. The problem is that we see what in universe Guilliman and the others could not, which was the long term consequences of their actions.
>completely ignored the final orders of the emperor as relayed by Dorn
>was a hypocritical asshole, splinting the Space Marine legions, while never doing so to his own
>couldn't see the consequences
Every single other loyal primarch openly disagreed with what Guilliman was doing. And every Chaos primarch who gave a shit about anything other than RAGE was openly mocking him for his tomfuckery.
I'm not going to say he was the worst primarch, that title goes Cruze who never accomplished anything other than keeping Guilliman from Tera. Which he may of avoided anyhow considering the Bloodravens were just as fucked and managed to get back.
Most of the Traitor Legions have fractured just as bad if not worse then what the Loyalists went through in the Codex Astartes reform. How many Chaos Warbands are there that are over 1000 marines? And how many of those are prone to infighting and backstabbing?
>people are still shitting on the Codex Astartes.
"The vox, what little of it still made any sense, spoke of a bleak picture. Casualties were more than high; the Legion forces still on the ground were being devastated. Squads of enemy Space Marines were fighting with an efficiency that had no place on such a vast scale. Legion claws were shouting of enemy soldiers linking up with their brethren with vicious frequency, forming overwhelming numbers as they stormed through the primary chambers, forcing the defenders into an ever-heightening state of disorder and retreat. Every Night Lord counter-attack was met with waves of reinforcements, as the Imperials fell back in organised withdrawals, sinking to fall-back points already being reinforced by their freshly landed brethren.
....This is like fighting a virus,’ Talos breathed over the vox. ‘Like fighting a terminal infection. They’re everywhere. They know how best to counter us as soon as we do something. They studied us before committing to this attack. This was all planned to the last detail.’"
‘The Codex Astartes in action,’ Ruven smirked. ‘Surrendering their largest and finest warships to the newborn Imperial Navy. I pray that today the Thirteenth learn a lesson in whoring away their most potent firepower to lesser men.’
Talos didn’t take his eyes from the fleet engagement filling the heavens. ‘The Codex Astartes was responsible for our fortress falling in the most brutally efficient assault I have seen since the Siege of Terra,’ he said quietly. ‘I would watch your tongue until you’re certain we will survive this, brother. The Navy will be blockading the system’s outer reaches, one way or another.’
How many are literally gibbering insane? Comparing the grand plan of the greatest Primarch to the natural infighting of a bunch of completely self motivated individuals (which they almost all are to a man) isn't really helping Papa Smurf out.
>How many are literally gibbering insane?
id say the khorne and slannesh side of things mostly.
undivided warbands seem the most on the ball though. word bearers are actually still together for the most part. operating on the same structure they did during the heresy.
Yes, but the gimping of the Legions by the Codex Astartes isn't as much of an issue when their man opponent at the time, the Chaos Legions, aren't really capable of fighting in any great numbers themselves due to endless infighting. Most Chaos forces faced by the Imperium are chapter strength or less anyway, it is very rare for massive Chaos Space Marine forces for engage outside of a Black Crusade.
He's just modding his gun like pic related, and the trench spike will help him survive the zombie apocalypse. Lions are for style points, so people know he's cool and confident without having to talk to him so he can avoid social environments.
Guilliman crowned Sanguinus Regent of Imperium Secundus despite being the best-equipped of all the Primarchs to run an empire because he was absolutely determined to avoid looking like he was taking any sort of power whatsoever.
He also wasn't very good at diplomacy with the less 'intellectual' Primarchs and the ones content to be soldiers forever becaue he thought they were wasting their superhuman talents. And in return they didn't like him and didn't really trust him when making deals because they thought Guilliman would screw them for maximum benefit. The big blue guy only had four friends out of seventeen Primarchs; that's not exactly good going.
Angron and Kurze would probably be killed off. Even if the Emperor decided to keep the Night Lords around to bitch smack people falling into the ways of Old Night, he'd probably want to arrange a more manageable leader for them for peace time. Maybe he'd upgrade Sevatar or something.
Mortarion, he needs to be featured in the books more
Trusted by The Emperor himself with forbidden cloning knowledge and would have succeeded in using it if it weren't for those meddling kids.
The Raven Guard and their successors are also some of the most competent chapters in the Imperium.
>B. Jaghatai never punched a subordinate's head off his shoulders for questioning him.
Most people forget to mention this was happening as they were stuck halfway in a warp gateway without shielding, under deamonic attack, all suffering from the urge to kill each other, on top of the subordinate basically refusing the only order that could save them from this situation. And the Lion immediatly regretted killing him, which again suggest it was mostly the warp's fault.
Why do so many people like Lorgar? He came across as a very weak man who desperately needed a strong person to hold his leash, even to the point where he ended up following the directions of his supposed subordinates. A rather pathetic figure, really.
Best husbando a best
>He came across as a very weak man who desperately needed a strong person to hold his leash
You're not picking your fantasy surrogate father figure, mate, who cares about that shit?
He's an interesting character in a cool story. Every other Primarch is a badass. Lorgar had more than that going on.
>my favorite Chapter is descended from my least favorite Primarch
Feels bad, man.