Primarchs

Vulcan

Can't go wrong with my melanin enhanced to the extreme bro-tier motherfucker

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>>44624428
Lorgar

I don't even play Word Bearers, but damn he's awesome.

>>44624428
I like Russ and Fulgrim the best

>>44624445
>#Nocturne lives matter

Fulgrim.

>>44624445
>can't go wrong with niggers, hahahaha

>>44624428
Corax and Curze

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Sanguinuis, one of three primarchs with amazing hair

I'm still learning my lore, does anyone have time enough to list these primarchs /legions?
I recognize some, but I like this collection image and having a reference may help me keep my lore straight.

>>44624530
>haha I'm on 4chan
>haha niggers

>>44624574
They're labelled by Legion Number. Also, It's Loyalists on the left, Traitors on the right.

>>44624574
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Legion#Original_names_and_appearances

>>44624552
Sang, Lion and Russ? Fulgrim's albino ass shouldn't count

>>44624428
I don't know too much about them, but I'd go Pre-Heresy Fulgrim.

>>44624637
imagine post-Heresy Fulfrim with less arms and dupstep and you've pretty much got it.

Lion, borderline paladin (great duelist who is incorruptible and wields a sick fucking sword), social problems with an actual excuse for them, sacrificed his legion twice once during the great crusade the other during the horus heresy (saved the northern part of the galaxy from xenos in the great crusade, watchers in the dark were feeding him information during the horus heresy that Luthor and the men back at Caliban were starting to turn on him Lion knew half his men were going to rebel but kept on mission and saved the eastern part of the galaxy and just missed the battle of terra because of russ who said they should liberate every world along the way), he was fearless dude fought Curze who was hands down the scariest primarch and inb4 space marines can't feel fear its hinted in the books that depends on the marine/primarch as dorn sure as fuck feared curze whereas lion knew no fear. Lions only fuck up imo was being merciful to Luthor but that's again understandable because he was like his father and plus the emperor was merciful to Horus during their final battle.
Inb4 dark angels/lion are traitors if you know your lore on them and read the books you know the dark angels are among the holiest of holy.

>>44624637
also like 150% less snake (OP here, this is my first thread and no one has questioned my sexual preferences, can't lie i'm a little bit disappointed in you /tg/).

>>44624428
Sigmar.
His Legion killed Slaanesh.

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>>44624621
>Russ

Not with that wolf shit encrusted mullet of his

>>44624810
> holiest of the holy
Who let another dark angel scribe at a computer?

>>44624914
Who the fuck is Kotygoroh?

Favorite primarch => Sanguinius or Lion El'Jonson
Least favorite primarch => Leman Russ or Perturabo

>>44624942
He's right though.

>>44624948
We don't talk about him.

>>44624914

Who the heck is this Kotygoroh motherfucker?

>>44624428

I'll always personally bet on the Khan. Dude was one of the few primarchs to learn how to actually stop and think and play it cool. Lion is up there too.

>>44624984
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT HIM.

>>44624948
>>44624984

Ferrus Manus?

>>44625010
Nope Ferrus third top left.

>>44624984
>>44624948

It is Horus

>>44624942
so is the emperor unholy because half of his sons were corrupted by chaos? They came from him after all. 40k isn't black and white and to try and make it black and white would be a lie. It all depends on the man and the emperor knows that. Next.

>>44624948
>>44624984

Well guys, I looked it up, and apparently Kotygoroh is one of the lost primarchs! He was known for outstanding strength, and the giant mace he used as a weapon. However, he was also a total Slav, so the Emperor had to -

>>44625033

No, look at who it says they're making - Horus (you can actually look him up, he's done), Corvax and Dorn, as well as an unknown Primarch. Kotygoroh is spoilers for unknown primarch, a Slavic influenced one.

>>44625050
I SAID WE DON'T TALK ABOUT HIM ANON!!

>>44625066
GOD DAMMIT ANON, YOU HAD ONE JOB, ONE JOB! DON'T TALK ABOUT "THEM".

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>>44625070
>>44625091
Hey guys. What's going on in this thread?

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>>44624428
I suppose I'd have to say Angron, though he is a total cunt. While his story was kind of tragic I enjoyed the way other characters interacted with him much more than I enjoyed him as a character.

>>44625101
*sigh* why did i not make the primarchs chicks, chicks would have known when to keep quiet but Malcador was all "girls are yucky!".

>>44624984
alpharius

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>>44624428
>tfw Fulgrim is likely hanging himself out of jealousy that he'll never be as fabulous as Sanguinius

>>44625136
Wasn't it the other way around?
Pretty sure Uncle Malcy was all about the ladies.

>>44625154
There is but one man in existence that can out rival Sanguinius's fabulous factor.

>>44625155
you can't prove that.

>>44625195
No, I'm sure Malcador told Dorn that he'd suggested female Primarchs to cut back on the sibling rivalry. Which would suggest a certain lack of familiarity with women, to be fair.

>>44624810
>HH is now canon

Jesus christ, the best part of the Dark Angels was you never knew if Lion was loyal or not but then the books come out and he's not only loyal but SUPER FUCKING LOYAL. Also why did Russ want to liberate every world? He seems like the one who was most loyal to the Emperor himself (if not the Imperium) why would he not want to rush to his side? I get that he outranked the Lion but still doesn't make sense

>>44625306
We've always known Lion was loyal.

>>44624428
russ because muh vikings and magnus cuz i can relate to him in some ways

>>44624965
I know he's right, that last sentence just makes the post look more like pro-dark angel propaganda than an info dump

>>44625425
You also have one eye, are huge and red, and can do space magic?

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>>44624428
Lion'O looks so much better with a beard.

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>>44625525

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>>44625561>>44625561

>>44624810
Curze didn't scare Dorn, what he represented is what did it.

>>44624428

The missing two, since they will never, ever be ruined by the BL

>>44625587

Hah, that's what you think.

>>44624810

I love how Lion took siege engienes Horus needed to besiege Imperial Palace and gave them to Perturabo.

>>44625587

>Implying they aren't ruining them with overhype and "super mysteriousness" already

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>>44625578
Also, Lion is best Primarch because he is also the best knight of the round table.

>>44624428
Loyal: Vulkan.
Traitor: Alpharius

>>44625618
In all fairness, Perturabo was supposedly headed to Istvaan V to slap Horus down at the time. I believe that's what's called dramatic irony.

>>44624428
Having read Scars and really wanting moar White Scars stuff, Khan is best.

>>44624810
>holier than thou DA faggot

>>44624948
>>44624984
He replaced Corvus Corax

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>>44625050
None of you saw a thing...

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>>44625871
NOT A FUCKING THING!!!

my favorite loyalist is jaggedy khan and my favorite rebel is perturdabro

>>44625117
look at this retard

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>>44624445

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>>44625889
We did

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>>44624428
Lorgar. He's basically a complete loser who got manipulated on all sides and wasn't even the most important person in his own Legion, so I find him very relatable.

>>44626100
He also went from being the weakest and laziest primarch to being the third strongest psyker alive and bringing the galaxy to its goddamn knees. Lorgar's character growth is what makes him so amazing even if he is an unlikeable shithead.

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>>44625409
>We've always know Lion was loyal.

>>44625525
>scope on a pistol
>trench spike
>like 8 lions on his armor

Lion El'Jonson confirmed autist

>>44625284
Not that guy you replied to, but I do think that female Primarch would have doomed the Imperium faster than what the regular one did.

Check out on those stories like the survivor thing with the male/female camp where the men managed to get shit done and the women had to get help everywhere or they'd die.
Or the one with the female agency that closed down because the bitchfest was too much and work wasn't getting done.
Put the Emperor's child rearing skills and 40K grimdarkness and watch the thing go down in flames.

>>44626217
He was. Go back and read Angels of Death, 2nd Edition. Page 12 makes it abundantly clear that he was FUCKANGRY when Luthor turned to Chaos.
Distort fluff to fit your agenda all you want, but motherfucker was loyal.

>>44625587
>missing
one got rekt by E money himself and Russ offed the other one

>>44626181
1. Emps
2. Malcador
3. Fagnus
4. Lorgar

>>44626286
I was referring to after Malcador dying. Should have made that clear.

>>44626286
Was "Fagnus" deliberate?

>>44626181
>bringing the galaxy to its goddamn knees

That was Erebus and Kor Pheron or whatever his fucking name is

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>>44626353
yup

>>44626359
We can play tug of war with the chain of command, but only one guy achieved daemon prince status.

>>44626374
It was erebus and kor who actually did all the work, and continue to do it while Lorgar sits on his ass. He is the only demon primarch to not do anything since the HH ended. Fuck even Mortarion got off his diabetic ass and did shit.

>>44626374

>Implying Daemon prince status is a good thing
>Implying it doesn't mean playing second fiddle to the daemon now fucking around in your body.
>Implying it's not the ultimate form of getting cucked

>>44626424
I don't think that's how DP works.

>>44626286
Where is Horus buffed by Chaos gods?

>>44625824

No, if you look online, the guy is making Corvax. Kotygoroh is legit an unknown Primarch - he died before the HH because Russ killed him. (Though there was no body and some suggest Russ let him go after beating him.) Now, the reason the Emperor wanted Kotygoroh dead has to do all with his Legion, the -

>>44626471
ANON, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE!

>>44626471
Go on...

>>44626437
>DP

kek. thanks for just using the porn equivalent for describing how being a demon prince is.

>>44626451
dead

>>44624428
Ferrus Manus

>>44624428
Can I do a top five? Fuck you Im doing it anyways
>Khan
>Magnus
>Sanguinius
>The Lion
>Corvus

>>44626517
literally the dumbest/worst of the loyalist bunch
>get ass penetrated by Fulgrim TWICE
>be giant gaping asshole to everyone
>charge blindly into trap that is Istvaan V despite Vulkan's and Corax's misgivings
>charge blindly into Iron Warriors once trap is sprung fucking over Salamanders and Raven Guard
>die

>>44626557
no, you can't. you only get one because i'm an asshole. (maybe two if say pretty please)

>>44626557
Also fuck you too you preying-mantis looking cock-splinter.

>>44624428
Lion.

>Toughest by default
>Best punch
>Loyal enough not to die which you can't say for all his brothers
>Doesn't take shit from autistic furries
>Coolest sword
>Didn't kill himself like Russ
>Loyal af

>>44626181
>bringing the galaxy to its goddamn knees
Fuck no. He was manipulated by Erebus and Kor Phaeron just like all the others. He wasn't the mastermind of the heresy, he was its first primarch victim. Probably because he was so insecure and pathetic and therefore an easy target.

>>44626671
But, to be fair, he is a confirmed faggot.

>>44626671
>Toughest by default
that's Mortarion

>Didn't kill himself like Russ
no he just got mortally wounded by a non astartes

>>44626725
Just another thing he's the best at.

>>44624428
Fulgrim all day, erryday...

>>44626728
He said Toughest, not Biggest Failure.

>>44626730
i hate to break this to you, but i think fulgrim may have him beat on the bugudy-faggotchini front

>>44626757
Magnus, Horus or Corax would be biggest failure. Morty is easily the toughest.

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>>44626730
Well, second best, anyway.

>>44626728
>that's Mortarion

We can't confirm that Mortarion would still be alive if he wasn't a Daemon. Lion on the other hand is definitely 100% alive, and is therefore the toughest Primarch. He's just too chill to do anything right now. Which reminds me

>Lion was the chillest Primarch


>no he just got mortally wounded by a non astartes

I think you need to look up what mortal wound means. Luthers sneak attack only knocked him out, which is kind of like how Lion knocked Russ out, except Lion didn't need the powers of Chaos, just one punch to the glassjaw of a dogfucker.

>>44625582
There was a whole chapter where Dorn had ptsd after curze attacked him dude, and dorn admitted to fearing curze when fortifying the imperial palace.

>>44626829
jesus christ you DAnglefags are insufferable cunts. YOU PRIMARCH WAS A TRAITOROUS AUTIST

>>44626424
>>Implying it doesn't mean playing second fiddle to the daemon now fucking around in your body.

Fulgrim was playing around with the daemon. The Daemon never had any real control over his body.

>>44626829
Jaghatai was definitely the chillest. The Lion's thing is that he set his wakeup call with the Emperor, who can't get to his phone at the moment.

>>44626829
Russ was probably the chillest... if you were a space wolf or Custode otherwise fuck you

>>44626437
>dp

Lmfao this man should be given an award for best comment

>>44626879
Yeah, but Fulgrim was a badass while Lorgar spend his entire life trying to find a more powerful being whose cock he could suck.

>>44626939
Going by the "Purge" novella, this was something in Lorgar genetics. The need to seek out and serve something greater than oneself. All the Word Bearer's have this programmed in their genesed.

The Emperor created Lorgar and the geneseed....so it might have been an intentional thing on his part.

>>44624428

The twins

>>44626887
>Jaghatai

I don't know. Lion never took a cheap shot at someone just for asking about his ships.

>>44626728
Luthor was backed by all four chaos gods though, the dark gods turned to him after horus died as their champion, Luthor was raised to primarch strength, Lion was still winning though and sliced Luthor up but couldn't finish him off because he considered him as his father, brother, and old best friend, he basically got sentimental and merciful like the emperor did with horus in their final battle. Luthor mortally wounded him by lashing out with a viscous psychic attack.

>>44627036
tl;dr. Lion still got fucked up by a non marine human being. pretty pathetic s.m.h. t.b.h. f.a.m.

>>44624428
Why isnt it in Legion order? That pisses me right off.

Fav Primarch:Dorn
>Because total bro and siege of Terra

Least fav Primarch: Dorn
>Because The Iron Cage.

what a twat. I mean all the Primarchs and the Emp were idiots but throwing away hundreds if not thousands of marines and irreplaceable equipment into an obvious trap for fuck all was ridiculous.

>>44624428
The one who did nothing wrong.

>>44627012
I saw an anon theorize once that Lorgar's intended purpose was to be the most fervent supporter of the Emperor's new Imperial Truth.

>>44627096
>I mean all the Primarchs and the Emp were idiots
the emperor, russ, horus, perturabo and corax weren't idiots.

>>44627097
That would be Magnus

>>44627030
A. That was funny, so I'll let it slide, and
B. Jaghatai never punched a subordinate's head off his shoulders for questioning him.

>I let them meet. I am no tyrant.

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>>44624428
I love the Great Wolf, if you know what I mean.

>>44626484

Commissars will take anyone who tells the sad tale of Kotygoroh here. Let it rest.

>>44627215
ssshhhh.

>>44627030

On Primarch scale, that's incredibly chill. Most other Primarchs would have either had an autist fit or smacked someone.

Also that only emphasizes that Jaghatai was chill. So many of his other brothers got their autismal panties in a superknot over whatever they were into. Jaghatai never let the inherent autism all Primarchs seem to have blind him to things.

>>44627149
>The emperor wasnt an idiot

what the fuck am i reading? Almost every decision he made with his Primarchs led to the HH, the bullshit with whisking Angron away for example, idiot. Council of Nikaea, idiot. Clusterfucking Lorgars homeworld, idiot.

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>>44624428
I want a fighting game based on HH

>>44627149

Perturabo may have been great at math, but he was still an idiot. He never tried to stop and think of things from different angles or try other methods.

But yes, Horus was pretty smart until Chaos started taking its toll on him. Corax was pretty smart. Jaghatai was smart since he never got fooled with all this heresy bullshit. Not sure about Russ - you can blame Horus for the whole Prospero thing, but I guess Russ is only smart in that the Emperor is smart, and Russ does what the Emperor wants.

>>44627148

Isn't that basically near canon? Like, the original purpose of the Word Bearers was to eradicate religions, ideas and belief systems that wouldn't gel with the Imperial truth - that's what the Emperor wanted them to do. The problem was they added an unnecessary second step of "Okay your culture is dead, now lemme tell you the good word about the God Emperor".

>>44627302
>Perturabo may have been great at math, but he was still an idiot. He never tried to stop and think of things from different angles or try other methods

to be fair he was a general and he was a brutally effective one. it wasn't his job to think or be political. the only thing wrong he did was decimate his legion.

>>44627288
there is one, it's called warhammer 30k

>>44627288
Was Fulgrim a failed experiment at creating a female Space Marine?

>>44627440
Nah that was the lion
>super emotional
>can't understand jokes
>more worried about looks than doing the job

>>44627440
No, the Emperor just wanted to see what would happen if you made the mixture 100% FABULOUS!!!

>>44627342
Why did the Emperor not want to get worshiped anyway? Having an Empire kept together by their slavish devotion to you doesn't seem like a bad thing.

>>44627453
>super emotional
Chill enough to put up with his pervy little brothers tantrum for an entire day

>can't understand jokes
G-guys I was just joking imagine if I really was that petty rite guyz-*decked*

>more worried about looks than doing the job

Well at least he isn't wearing every bitch he ever fucked.

>>44627079
So I guess you must not like the emperor since he was mortally wounded too by someone who wasn't his equal if they weren't backed by the four gods of chaos.

Anybody else got the feeling that when the Emperor finished the genetic mixture of the primarchs he just threw some random shit into it to
see what happens?

>>44627693
Yeah, both Lion and the Emperor were hit by a psychic blast powered by the Chaos gods, but one is a skull on life-support and the other just slept it off.

So if you think about it Lion is tougher than the Emperor himself.

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>>44627288
>GURRRRIIIIFFFFFUUUURRUUUGUURRRIIIIMUUUUUUU.
Shit now Guts got to lose his other arm so he can be the true Ferrus Manus

>>44624428
The Lion. Because loyalty is above all.

>>44627453
>super emotional
Wat. The issue with the Lion was that he was cold to the point that it unnerved his own man. But when he did get emotional, it was purely anger, and he tended to rip the nearest guy apart.

>Can't understand jokes.
That was the furfag.

>more worried about looks than doing the job
That was realpolitik dumbass. He didn't care about his physical looks- he was managing his position to put him next in line to be Warmaster.

>>44624428
Magnus and Vulkan are tied for me.

Vulkan. The biggest. The strongest. The least edgy. It's all that simple.

Pre-Heresy Horus, Vulkan and Ferrus Manus are pretty much tied for me, with Magnus coming in second. I'd probably like Dorn and Perturabo much more if they weren't such fucking autists though.

>>44626728
>Mortarian
>Toughest

Vulkan was literally unkillable.

>>44626879
Stupid BL retcon.

>>44624428
Roboute Gulliman. He's the best of all the primarchs

>>44627149
>Russ wasn't an idiot.
>Blindly followed contradictory orders.
Space yiff spotted.

>>44624428
I like Russ the best, followed by Corax.

>>44625178
The Holy Emperor is the correct answer here.

>>44631196
>Blindly followed contradictory orders.

How were those orders at all contradictory? Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders at the council of Nikaea, brought a Daemon incursion to Terra, and ruined the Webway project. He was going to be judged harshly. Horus just told Russ what the Emperor's judgement was early and to carry out the sentence.

God tier
>Lorgar
>Guilliman
>Magnus
>A/O

Good tier
>Perturabo
>Russ
>Khan
>Sanguinius
>Horus
>Vulkan
>Angron

Mediocre tier
>Kurze
>Ferrus
>Lion
>Corax

Shit tier
>Mortarion
>Fulgrim
>Dorn

>>44627012
Lorgar was corrupted by the Chaos Gods when he got kidnapped.

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The Lion is the only Primarch I'd follow into the gates of Chaos to cast down the daemons that lurk within.

>>44631295
>Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders at Nikaea
Funny, so did Russ.
>Magnus had blatantly betrayed the Emperor's direct orders
He did it again when he disobeyed Emp's direct order to capture Magnus, to follow Horus' order to kill him.

>>44624914
>Magnus the Red
>Blue

>>44627097
Good to see we agree on Lion being the best.

>>44624428
the fact that this is not in order by number greatly triggers my autismo brain.

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>>44624621
>not counting best girl

>>44632105
what

>>44627215
Someone tell me now who Kotygoroh is. Are all just loyalists here?

>>44632018
If you think about it, it is factually inaccurate to say any Loyalist Primarch other than Lion *is* the best in 40K.

Vulkan is my Nigga

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>>44624428
The spiritual liege is the best.

>>44631752
Horus was the Warmaster. If he says the Emperor gave a new order that is perfectly in line with the purpose of the original order it's not Russ is fault for following it.

>>44633206
Russ is an idiot for not questioning a sudden change in character and goal. Russ is a stupid dog.

>>44633519
>not questioning everything everyone says makes you stupid

what you are talking about is called paranoia, dipshit.

>>44633591
>Everything
Love that hyperbole mate.

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>>44624428
I like the black one.... Oh wait?

>>44624428
Alpharius/Omegon definitely, with Lion as 2nd (3rd)

>>44633902
I somewhat agree with this

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Let's do this. I've read all the Horus Heresy books.

The Lion - 7/10. Martial awesomeness and terrible people skills.
Fulgrim - 10/10. A hilarious twat.

Perturabo - 4/10. I just don't feel this guy.

The Khan - 10/10. Great guy, great leader, great philosophy, but not immune to consequences.

Russ - 5/10. Overrated. Kind of a dick, but that's his part.

Dorn - 3/10. Boring, the no-fun-allowed guy.

Curze - 8/10. The embodiment of absolute grimdark, and the writers know to have fun with this.

Sanguinius - 1/10. He looks impressive, fights good, is generically noble, and is 100% personality-free. Stop treating him like he's cool.

Ferrus - 2/10. Low score because of disappointing handling. Should have had him do more stuff with his legion before killing him off.

Angron - 7/10. Yet another entertaining tragic figure, this one with little but himself to blame for the direction things took.

Guilliman - 8/10. Good intentions with bad decisions but ISN'T a supervillain. I was surprised to end up liking this guy.

Mortarion - 5/10. Not much for dynamic personality, but fun to play others off of, and super rad style.

Magnus - 4/10. Wanted to like him more, but hard to do when you're repeatedly facepalming yourself at his choices.

Horus - 7/10. Gets better with every book he's in. Love how he's increasingly unfettered.

Lorgar - 9/10. The MOST pathos of any Primarch character. Poor guy, great heel turn, fun villain. Another one I was surprised to end up loving.

Vulkan - 8/10. His batshit insane plotline earns him this score on it's own.

Corax - 6/10. Another kinda generically-noble dude, but does his thing well.

Alpharius - 5/10. Intentionally a non-character, but it works, albeit only enough to suffice. That said, Alpha Legion is easily my favorite CSM, and my own 40k tabletop army of choice.

>>44627150
Magnus did everything wrong, just with the right intentions. It's why he's one of the most interesting.

>>44624428
which ever one didn't end up being a fuck up.
oh wait.

>>44634634
>Fulgrim- 10/10
>Sanguinius- 1/10

Oh, I know who wrote this.

>>44634966
Alpharius

>>44633519
You don't question orders from the warmaster. the emps himself said that Horus speaks with his authority

>>44634634
I hope you mean #1

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>>44634634
>Sanguinius - 1/10
This is the one line you never cross.

>>44635375
I never got the love for Sanguinius. He seems very boring as a character

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breaking news:
Sanguinius is lame
hth

>>44635277
You don't question orders that contradict your father's.

If you're a blind dog.

>>44635719
questioning orders while at war is an offense punishable by death. Has been since ancient times dude. besides Russ was at Nikea when the emps told Magnus that if he kept fucking around he would destroy him and erase him and his legion from existence and imperial records, everyone knew what the consequences were so why would he question if the order said "kill Magnus"?

>>44624428
Best Primarch: Dorn
Best Pre-Heresy legion: Emperor's Children
Best Heresy legion: Luna Wolves
Best Post-Heresy legion: Salamanders

>>44636067
Russ saw fit to ignore Nikaea otherwise.

And because Emps himself had already told him directly to take him back to Terra.

>>44636067
>implying space wolf psykers aren't psykers just because they have a different name

>>44636180
>And because Emps himself had already told him directly to take him back to Terra.

no he didn't. Horus intercepted the order and altered it

>>44636068
You, I like you.

>>44624428
Dorn, right before Alpharius Oregon.

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>>44624428

Dorn is my favorite Primarch, though Ferrus is a close 2nd. Magnus if I had to pick a Chaos one.

>>44624428
why didnt the artist put them in order
why didnt the artist put them in order?
WHY DIDNT THEY PUT THEM IN ORDER!?

>>44637361
This seems like it'd be a good autism test.

>>44637361
idk, but traitors are on the right, loyal on the left.

>>44624916
Let's be honedf c if really wouldn't be tgat thing would be mead and milk soaked beard and locks when wasn't that fucker drinking or fighting somebody; wasnt his fault the bitches just kept distracting him from the rest business of being a lord of more than a single world; or the smashing of a foe it wasn't his fault tgat he was a trusting yet not intellectual of the primarch or even peopled it seemed as who wouldn't really think twice as ND double check on an order of that magnitude but it's the story and those twats of prinarchs as they are essentially children who have all been pretty much trapped in whatever trime frame that they were caught in growth . I like to think they all developed at differentry rates; all the while being the badass mother fuckers that they all enjoyed. Some of them had formal training angryRon, ultramate; others informal And some just fucking insane like batmans.

This furry shit is just like fucking wierd, but hey if that's what happens when shit gets turned wolf wolf wolf wulfen; what's Russ to do he has gone all fucking redemption smashing chaos in the Eye. Shit I like to think that the 13th company is reinforced by Wolf's and wulfen to escape the =][= at times; you pretty much don't hear about that company that had some grumblings at Arma.

But fuck Tldr :
Bring back viking marines

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>>44637595
i got a fucking aneurysm trying to read this what is wrong with your h key.

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>>44637595
are you having a stroke?

>>44634634

Pretty good list. I would caution at ranking Sanguinius at 1/10 until the whole series is wrapped up though.

>>44632146

He just said. Kotygoroh is one of the missing primarchs. He did a bad thing and Russ killed him. Maybe. We can't say more on the matter cuz it's hushed up.

>>44638008
Writer of the list here. Honestly, I genuinely hope I DO find reason to change my mind by the time it's all over. Sanguinius is supposed to be a major, major figure, and having basically everyone else upstage him in terms of personality has been a disappointment. He's suffered MASSIVELY from a "tell, don't show" characterization approach.

>>44632146
It's the sculpter's fancanon on one of the missing primarchs. Basically, what you were supposed to do with them until BL put in hard canon for what happened to them. The cunts.

>>44638008
>ranking dorn that low
>he was one of the emperors favourite
>not liking the primarchs in the order the emperor does

careful anon you're seeming quite heretical.

>>44638226

So what is the order in which the Emperor liked them? Clearly Horus first, Lorgar or Angron last

>>44638289
I always pictured Horus (obviously) Dorn (personal pretorian and all) Ferrus (him and Horus were the main generals) Russ (his get shit done son trusted him to keep his eyes on the other Primarchs), and Fulgrim (named his legion Emperor's Children after all)

>>44633902
>>44634370
Hard /●@●\ number 1

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>He is accomplished, very accomplished, even by the standards of the primarchs. He knows that the breadth of his accomplishments troubles his more single-minded brothers like Lorgar and Perturabo. He never displays the pitch of fury found in Angron, nor do his eyes ever ignite with the psychotic gleam of Russ.
He is a high achiever. He knows this about himself. Sometimes it feels like a fault that he has to excuse to his brothers, but then he feels guilty for making excuses. Few of them really trust him, because, he feels, they always wonder what he’s going to get from any compact or cooperation. Fewer still like him: as friends, he counts only Dorn, Ferrus, Sanguinius and Horus.
Some of his brothers are content to be the instruments of crusade they have become. Some of them don’t even pause to consider that is what they are. Angron, Russ, Ferrus, Perturabo… They are just weapons, and have no ambition beyond being weapons. They know their place, like Russ, and are content to keep to it, or they have no idea that any other role might be possible or desirable, like Angron.
>Guilliman believes that none of them were made to be just weapons. No war is meant to last forever. The Emperor, his father, has not raised disposable sons. Why would he have gifted them with such talents if they were destined to become redundant when the war is done?

>>44638748
now I'm thinking what would happen to ones like Russ if they had finished the war. What else would he have to do? Go live on a frozen shithole again?

>>44638748
Mary Sue.

>>44638860
>Character I don't like.

>>44638858
It's not like if the Emperor succeeded war was going to stop forever. the ones like Russ, Perturabo and Ferrus would always have a role. Not Angron though, that guy was fucked.

>>44638903
He's literally perfect. Definition Mary Sue.

>>44639010
the existence of the ultrasmurfs as they are now is living proof that he wasn't perfect.

>>44638748
Reminder that Leman Russ had to dispatch a unit of Space Wolves to kill Gulliman if they were unsure of his loyalty. He wasn't as perfect as he's painted to be.

>>44639044
that speaks more to Russ's paranoia than to Guilliman's loyalty.

>>44639024
You mean the perfect all around chapter?

Russ was just doing his job, everyone was suspicious of Gulliman at the time

>half the legions in rebellion
>3 loyal legions decimated
>top loyal general Ferrus Manus is dead
>no one is sure of Khan, and Jonson at the moment
>Sangy is MIA on the frontier
>Gulliman with the largest legion of them all is just sitting there hording troops not doing anything

yeah, Russ was paranoid... Even Malcador wasn't sure about Gulliman's intentions.

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>>44639103
exactly!

which means that they weren't completely perfect when Guilliman was in charge.
sure, he got the ball rolling but where they are now is due to the one TRUE spiritual liege.

>>44639142
They're literally the same though.

>>44638748
shit character

>>44639142
Who are the top current chapter masters?

Big 3 are obviously Grimnar, Dante and Calgar

>>44639123
sounds to me like Russ is overcompensating to hide his own cowardice

>is conveniently absent from the initial assault on the traitors at Istvaan.
>Khan and Johnson are known to be far more untrustworthy but Russ feels the need to investigate guilliman instead
>Johnson actually supplied weapons to one of the traitor legions but once again we need to investigate one of the most loyal emperor's sons.
>decides its far more important to kill a loyal primarch drive a loyal legion into joining Horus' side
>doesn't even bother heading to Terra until the 11th hour and does fuck all during the actual heresy

>>44639222
that's basically it.

there's the Dark Angels guy but he's not really that important.

maybe the Black Templars guy by virtue of being in command of a fuck load of guys.

>>44639241
Holy fuck you are either retarded or a troll, don't ever reply to me again

>>44639262
Oh im sorry i forgot about all the great and heroic things Russ accomplished during the heresy.

like...

>>44639123
Wasn't Guilliman not doing anything because Horus had sent him on a campaign to the middle of absolute bumfuck nowhere to fight some Orks?

>>44639306
yeah. and then he got attacked by word bearers.


new HH fluff has it as Word bearers + world eaters and some warp fuckery prevents any communications or warp travel going in or out of ultramar.

>>44639010
Except he seriously fucked up with Imperium Secundus and even if he's not directly getting the shit kicked out of him for it, he and his brothers are well aware of it and he's got all the guilt of knowing he might've absolutely screwed over the Emperor and is indirectly responsible for the shithole that the Imperium becomes despite his high ideals and ambitions?

Literally perfect guy.

Then again, that art of him does make him look like Daniel Craig so that's cool too.

>>44639327
>His flaw is that he was good at making empires!

>>44639342
His flaw that he was good at building empires when perhaps he really shouldn't have ben building empires.

Given his situation though, Imperium Secundus sounds like a reasonable decision. For all he knew at the time the Imperium could be collapsing completely.

>>44639375
>For all he knew at the time the Imperium could be collapsing completely.
to be fair he wasn't that far off

>>44626255
Perhaps a couple wouldn't have made it too much worrse...

>>44639375
So again, he has no flaws.

>>44639448
except for the flaw where he sometimes is too humble.

he's also been called too handsome which is supposed to be sanguinus's thing.

so there's 2 flaws right there for you

>>44631335

>God tier
>Girlybutt

I'm sorry, but no. He is literally the second biggest reason the Imperium is such a pile of shit.

>>44625195

>Malcador smiled. ‘You brothers – such a nest of rivalries. I warned him to make you sisters, that it would make things more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn’t.’

>>44639544
Malcador must not have had any experience with women. Like at all.

>>44639524
>I'm sorry, but no. He is literally the second biggest reason the Imperium is such a pile of shit.


B-but he has no flaws.

>>44639524

The truth is that Guilliman and the rest of them sacrificed the Imperium's long term viability in order to win in the short term. They gave up all the technological advancements of the Great Crusade era, the raw martial strength of the Legions, everything in order to keep the Imperium afloat in the dark days after the Heresy, when it could have easily fallen apart into a dozen fragments. The problem is that we see what in universe Guilliman and the others could not, which was the long term consequences of their actions.

>>44624428
Wolfman and Metal Arms!

>>44639604

>completely ignored the final orders of the emperor as relayed by Dorn
>was a hypocritical asshole, splinting the Space Marine legions, while never doing so to his own

>couldn't see the consequences
Every single other loyal primarch openly disagreed with what Guilliman was doing. And every Chaos primarch who gave a shit about anything other than RAGE was openly mocking him for his tomfuckery.

I'm not going to say he was the worst primarch, that title goes Cruze who never accomplished anything other than keeping Guilliman from Tera. Which he may of avoided anyhow considering the Bloodravens were just as fucked and managed to get back.

>>44639737

Most of the Traitor Legions have fractured just as bad if not worse then what the Loyalists went through in the Codex Astartes reform. How many Chaos Warbands are there that are over 1000 marines? And how many of those are prone to infighting and backstabbing?

>>44639737
>people are still shitting on the Codex Astartes.

"The vox, what little of it still made any sense, spoke of a bleak picture. Casualties were more than high; the Legion forces still on the ground were being devastated. Squads of enemy Space Marines were fighting with an efficiency that had no place on such a vast scale. Legion claws were shouting of enemy soldiers linking up with their brethren with vicious frequency, forming overwhelming numbers as they stormed through the primary chambers, forcing the defenders into an ever-heightening state of disorder and retreat. Every Night Lord counter-attack was met with waves of reinforcements, as the Imperials fell back in organised withdrawals, sinking to fall-back points already being reinforced by their freshly landed brethren.


....This is like fighting a virus,’ Talos breathed over the vox. ‘Like fighting a terminal infection. They’re everywhere. They know how best to counter us as soon as we do something. They studied us before committing to this attack. This was all planned to the last detail.’"

‘The Codex Astartes in action,’ Ruven smirked. ‘Surrendering their largest and finest warships to the newborn Imperial Navy. I pray that today the Thirteenth learn a lesson in whoring away their most potent firepower to lesser men.’

Talos didn’t take his eyes from the fleet engagement filling the heavens. ‘The Codex Astartes was responsible for our fortress falling in the most brutally efficient assault I have seen since the Siege of Terra,’ he said quietly. ‘I would watch your tongue until you’re certain we will survive this, brother. The Navy will be blockading the system’s outer reaches, one way or another.’

>>44639804
So he's perfect.

>>44639807
Talos?
yeah he's pretty great

>>44639783

How many are literally gibbering insane? Comparing the grand plan of the greatest Primarch to the natural infighting of a bunch of completely self motivated individuals (which they almost all are to a man) isn't really helping Papa Smurf out.

>>44639864
>How many are literally gibbering insane?
id say the khorne and slannesh side of things mostly.

undivided warbands seem the most on the ball though. word bearers are actually still together for the most part. operating on the same structure they did during the heresy.

>>44639903

Yes, but the gimping of the Legions by the Codex Astartes isn't as much of an issue when their man opponent at the time, the Chaos Legions, aren't really capable of fighting in any great numbers themselves due to endless infighting. Most Chaos forces faced by the Imperium are chapter strength or less anyway, it is very rare for massive Chaos Space Marine forces for engage outside of a Black Crusade.

Konrad. I always get a little melancholy that he didn't stay Emp's own Batman. Fuckin' Chaos.

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>>44639142
How is Papa smurf doing these days?

>>44624615
The traitors all look suspiciously evil, did nobody catch on to that or did they change wardrobes after Horus seduced them with Chaos?

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>>44626238
He's just modding his gun like pic related, and the trench spike will help him survive the zombie apocalypse. Lions are for style points, so people know he's cool and confident without having to talk to him so he can avoid social environments.

>>44639520
Too humble?! Bullshit, Guilliman wanted to be in charge and be a politician. He was ambitious.

>>44643164
An ambitious person can still be humble.

>>44643164
Guilliman crowned Sanguinus Regent of Imperium Secundus despite being the best-equipped of all the Primarchs to run an empire because he was absolutely determined to avoid looking like he was taking any sort of power whatsoever.

He also wasn't very good at diplomacy with the less 'intellectual' Primarchs and the ones content to be soldiers forever becaue he thought they were wasting their superhuman talents. And in return they didn't like him and didn't really trust him when making deals because they thought Guilliman would screw them for maximum benefit. The big blue guy only had four friends out of seventeen Primarchs; that's not exactly good going.

>>44643655
4 is more than most. If you look at the primarchs and their relationships. The rest of them have like two friends, tops.

>>44639737

At least Cruze has the excuse that he was fucking insane and no one was supposed to take him seriously.

>>44638858

Angron and Kurze would probably be killed off. Even if the Emperor decided to keep the Night Lords around to bitch smack people falling into the ways of Old Night, he'd probably want to arrange a more manageable leader for them for peace time. Maybe he'd upgrade Sevatar or something.

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>>44624428
Mortarion, he needs to be featured in the books more

Corax.
Trusted by The Emperor himself with forbidden cloning knowledge and would have succeeded in using it if it weren't for those meddling kids.
The Raven Guard and their successors are also some of the most competent chapters in the Imperium.

>>44639044
Russ sent Wolves to all of the remaining loyalists. Including Sanguinus

>>44624530
>>44624499
>Implying COAL Black is the same as shitskins

Did Russ even GET The Emperor's original orders?

Or did Horus change them before they reached him?

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>>44637595

>>44627204
>B. Jaghatai never punched a subordinate's head off his shoulders for questioning him.

Most people forget to mention this was happening as they were stuck halfway in a warp gateway without shielding, under deamonic attack, all suffering from the urge to kill each other, on top of the subordinate basically refusing the only order that could save them from this situation. And the Lion immediatly regretted killing him, which again suggest it was mostly the warp's fault.

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Why do so many people like Lorgar? He came across as a very weak man who desperately needed a strong person to hold his leash, even to the point where he ended up following the directions of his supposed subordinates. A rather pathetic figure, really.

>>44651750
Losers will always empathize with the loser.

>>44634634
confirmed heretic

Loyalist- Sanguinius
Traitor- Fulgrim

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Best husbando a best

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>>44635638

>>44651750
>He came across as a very weak man who desperately needed a strong person to hold his leash

You're not picking your fantasy surrogate father figure, mate, who cares about that shit?

He's an interesting character in a cool story. Every other Primarch is a badass. Lorgar had more than that going on.

>>44651750
>Why do so many people like Lorgar? He came across as a very weak man who desperately needed a strong person to hold his leash
Where do you think you are?

>>44624428
I like the one that is a girl

>>44653654
Primarch Samus isn't canon, anon

>>44653654
Well Russ is a bitch, so congrats, you're a furry now. Your Deviant Art account details are on there way.

>>44624428
Ferrus has some serious bedroom eyes going on there.

>>44654039
Konrad's are better

Lorgar for heretics, Cinabun for loyalist.

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>>44624428
>my favorite Chapter is descended from my least favorite Primarch
Feels bad, man.