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Soon I will be playing in a Fate/Stay Night game in which every player will be a heroic spirit protecting a mage. It will be PvP.

Right now this is what the line up looks like:

>Saber
Sigurd
>Archer
Edgar Allan Poe (me)
>Lancer
Alfred the Great
>Rider
Hannibal
>Caster
Nicholas Flamel
>Berserker
Ivar the Boneless
>Assassin
Shaka Zulu

Any advice for me? Also should I do the old Fate tradition and make Poe a little girl or keep him as a bitter alcoholic?
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>>44616693
Keep him a bitter alcoholic.
The "make everything a loli" shit is one of the most cancerous parts of all the spinoffs.
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>>44616693
Read up on Eddy P. Play him straight, but make him a (time appropriate) pistol-wielding combat monster as well as an alcoholic cousinfucker with depression.
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>>44617055
That's what I'm thinking, but I may make him a a tad younger. What did young Poe look like?

>>44617108
He actually might switch with hannibal and be focused on a raven companion. I talked with the hannibal player and he kind of wants to switch to archer.

Also I need advice, we all get a noble phantasm but the rest of the players have to approve of it. I need ideas for Poe.
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>>44616693
Alcoholic Poe who lists for the other inevitable loli shit the other players bring.
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Keep him an alcoholic. I will admit I am incredibly confused as to why good ol poe was selected as a archer. I thought it was established great writers were casters.
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>>44616693
Why do you have the shit servant?
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>>44617278
>>44617108
>>44617055
Also, I need some feedback of my choice. Honestly I don't know about choosing Poe, seems a little too recent, but he is who I thought of first and it stuck.

Also opinions of the line up?
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>>44617308
Someone else called caster. However I am probably going to change to rider and focus on a raven companion.

>>44617311
See, this is what I was worried of. I thought Poe might be shit.
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>>44617328
Shaka Zulu and Poe are miscast, but the rest are solid.

If I went archer I might go crazy recent and pick Chris Kyle... But I like guns.
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>>44617351
If your thinking of changing servents wholesale. Might I suggest Willam Tell?
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>>44617370
>not simo hayha
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>>44617436
Nah, I'm too committed to Poe at this point.

>>44617370
I'll switch to rider then, I just talked to the hannibal player. We're going to switch classes.
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>Rider
>Not Genghis Khan

Why even play?
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>>44617499
>not liking Hannibal
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>Berserker
Beowulf would be an awesome Berserker.
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>>44617499
>not playing Rider Evel Knievel
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Stay Archer and go Elliot Rodger.
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I had an idea for Queen Elizabeth as a Saber-Class, but it turns out that she was a feminine guy the whole time, which is why he never got married and had kids.
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>>44617504
Hannibal IMO would be better at a Caster. Like a lot of generals. Nothing about him is hardcore riding, unlike Alexander, Khan, or the Red Baron.

But then again this is just my opinion and it may very well be shit.
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>Edgar Allen Poe

Please explain this me because I have no fucking idea what's going through your head right now.
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>>44617568
10/10
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>>44617499
Hannibal has a elephant. Elephant are superior to horses.
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>>44617597
Dog>Elephant>Horse>Dog
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>>44617576
This please.

Admittedly, I don't know much about him outside his poems. Was he some badass duelist or rifleman in his spare time?
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>>44617638
>>44617576

He was an artillery engineer in the american armed forces during his military career and was promoted to the rank of artificer (something rather uncommon).
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>Any Archer besides Karna or Arjuna

Seriously though, if you're fighting in a Holy Grail War, grab an Indian Hero of some kind. That power level difference is insane.
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>>44617688
... That's it?

Wow, you're going to get FUCKED.
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>>44616693

Out of curiosity, what system are you using?
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>>44616693
My advice for you is change your character because you're going to die like a little bitch when push comes to shove.

I'm pretty sure even Shaka could oneshot you.
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>>44617755
Pathfinder, obviously. It is the best system
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>>44616693

If you want to go American, why not use any gunslinger? Or hell, be a real manly mofo and use like Geronimo or something.

Also why the fuck is Shaka Zulu not Lancer?
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>>44616693
Not sure why you'd play Night Pain as Archer and not Caster.

Dark poetry and stories as words to some equally dark spells.
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>>44617688
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>>44617797

>Interest instantly killed
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Simo Hayha could be a good archer though he is rather modern.
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>>44617775
I mean, we're all being given the same amount of resources to draw from to create the characters. I will be no less powerful than anyone else.

>>44617755
Strangely, a homebrewed system that uses Dark Heresy as a base.
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>>44617717
An Archer with an artillery cannon isn't that fucked imo
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>Saber
Mirumoto Mushashi
>Archer
Simo Hiya
>Lancer
Guan Yu
>Rider
Genghis Khan
>Caster
Marcus Aurelius
>Berserker
Beowulf
>Assassin
Gavrilo Princip


High powered as fuck game
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>>44617843

Is there a set limit to modernization? You can have fairly recent people become rather legendary and seen as heroes. Can you have Rider Patton?
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>>44616693
>Berserker as anything other than Mel Gibson
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>>44617829
He actually had an ok career. He made it to Sergeant Major or Artillery.

Plus the whole writer thing. There is that too.

>>44617826
I would but caster was already taken. Basically how it's working in story is caster was already summoned and my mage tried to summon me as caster and I got shunted into a different role. I might end up as Rider or Archer. Both put me at a severe disadvantage honestly, but we'll have to see.
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>>44617873
>Simo Hiya
Out of place.
>Gavrilo Princip
INCREDIBLY out of place.
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>>44617845
>using Dark Heresy as a base for ANYTHING but Dark Heresy
Enjoy your shitshow, OP. Things will get worse before they get better. Of course, you should have known that the instant the GM wanted to run a fucking Nasuverse game.
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>>44617898
Hardly. If Shiro can be a heroic Spirit so can people from the 20th century.

Plus Gavrilo Princip would be awesome. He is a being of pure luck.
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>>44617928
Shirou is a faker who shouldn't be a Heroic Spirit.
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>>44617890
Then go with a different figure more fitting to archer?

Like Lee Harvey Oswald. He'd be the perfect archer with his Magic Bullet NP.
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>>44617984
It'll be fine. I like the idea of Poe being shunted into a role he shouldn't and me being at a disadvantage. it makes the game more interesting.

>>44617919
It'll probably be fine. I like the GM he's good at what he does, so it'll at least be fun.
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>>44617854
It's not just about that. It's about the fact that Edgar Allan Poe was only an artilleryman for a small portion of his life. His entire military career, including his time at West Point, was less than 4 years.
Napoleon as Ruler (I know, the odds of him being able to be summoned as one are practically nonexistent due to the whole "You have to not want the Grail to be a Ruler" thing, just go with it for a sec) getting an Ionioi Hetairoi type ability that lets him summon up an entire battery of cannon to fire on his enemies or some crazy shit like that, but a who was only a red leg for a very brief portion of his life? Nah.
>>44617928
Shiro is both a Counter Guardian, which is a whole different set of rules from normal Heroic Spirits and a massive clusterfuck, AND a Faker who circumvents the normal rules, similar to how False Assassin managed to exist even though Sasaki Kojirō never actually existed in the Fateverse.
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>>44617928
Shirou only got in by principle of making a direct contract with Alaya rather than any heroic deed. On top of that, he was only summoned due to pure luck too. In short he's a Counter Guardian rather than a Heroic Spirit. Not all Counter Guardians are heroic spirits but all heroic spirits are counter guardians, if that makes sense?

>Plus Gavrilo Princip would be awesome. He is a being of pure luck.
I'd actually call him an Avenger than Assassin, and even then he'd have EX luck which counts as A++ when in opposition to enemies, while it counts as -A++ when in regards to any action done for himself.

Regardless, he's really not important enough to be a heroic spirit.
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>>44617845
>All being given the same resources

Are you guys ignoring the fact that the more famous the Legend the more powerful the Spirit?

Cause this is sounding worse and worse as things go on.

At least chose someone who was actually famous for being a long-ranged fighter. Poe is famous for his literary work, and that's it.
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>>44618056
>all heroic spirits are counter guardians
I'm almost certain that's wrong, and that the only Counter Guardian in the 4th or 5th wars was Shirou, with Arturia being a prospective on.
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>>44618111
Arturia was an exception, to be fair. All the other heroic spirits are counter guardians however.
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>>44617873

Here's how I'd roll it

>Saber
Roland

>Archer
Geronimo

>Lancer
Hattori Hanzo

>Rider
Gustavus Adolphus. LIBERA ET IMPERA

>Caster
Paracelsus

>Berzerker
Shaka Zulu

>Assassin
Judith
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>>44618127
I thought it was the other way around. Not all HS are CG but all CG are HS.

Because CG are those who made a contract with Alaya.
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>>44618056
>>44618127

All Heroic Spirits can be offered a chance to be a Counter Guardian if an event is particular to their Legend. It's Alaya making an offer, not forcing them to take the position.

EMIYA is Alaya's Bitch so he doesn't get a choice.
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>>44618127
>All the other heroic spirits are counter guardians however.
Again, 99% sure that's wrong and that the only servant in F/SN we see that's a Counter Guardian is Archer.
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>You are about to run a Fate/Stay Night game. The twist is all the Heroic Spirits can only be 40k characters. Who do you choose? Extra points for no Emprah or Ruinous Powers
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>>44618170
There's half a dozen bad fanfictions based on that concept.
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>>44618105
The sources are split between me (the heroic spirit) and our mage. I'm just gonna put more on the mage.
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>>44616693
>Any advice for me?
Read a less terrible VN and watch a less terrible animu.
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>>44618056
>Regardless, he's really not important enough to be a heroic spirit.
... Are you serious? Quite possible, hell likely the most important man of the last 100 years and he's not 'important' enough?
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So let me explain a little bit more.

We're controlling two characters, both our mage and our heroic spirit. We have a single pool of resources split between the two of them. Because Poe isn't as strong as he would be as a caster I am going to make him the weak one and make my mage the stronger of the two of us and essentially devote Poe's entire ability set to his noble phantasm.

A week spirit with high luck and a fantastic noble phantasm with a strong mage.
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>>44618170
>Extra points for no Emprah or Ruinous Powers
Well considering straight up gods are banned anyways to prevent "lel I summon Jesus as Caster" bullshit...
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>>44618105
>Are you guys ignoring the fact that the more famous the Legend the more powerful the Spirit?

Then how is Gilgamesh so fucking powerful. he's not exactly as well known as Alexander, Julius Caeser, Hercules, or thousands of others.
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>>44618216
If you studied history at all you'd realize that he was barely the reason WW1 started. Everything was building up to that through political tension regardless. He was replaceable event.
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>>44618208
>implying there are good VNs
Seriously, higurashi is the closest you'll get to something compelling.
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>>44618208

Fate/Zero wasn't bad.

I'll be honest, I never finished watching Unlimited Blade Works. I watched it after Fate/Zero and it was just too utterly shit tier in comparison. All the characters were boring and were total idiots.
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>>44618249
Mostly because he is older. Both age and size of legend matter.
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>>44618234
Souchirou route huh? I like it.
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>>44618216

Also important ≠ Heroic spirit. There needs to be some legend around it that goes beyond the mundane.
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>>44618240
Jesus wasn't a god, he was a preacher.

Jesus and Mohammed are perfectly legit HSs.
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>>44618263
>he hasn't read OMGWTFOTL
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>>44618273
Don't start this Fate/Zero being better than Fate/Stay Night shit. It always ends with a fucking shitfest.

Besides Kara no Kyōkai is the best nasuverse installment.
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>>44618300
>Implying.
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>>44618300

Jesus has a lot of legend-juice behind him though. He'd be an absurdly OP Caster
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>>44617055
>The "make everything a loli" shit is one of the most cancerous parts of all the spinoffs.

There are a lot less genderbends on the whole than people seem to think.
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>>44618312

W-wait? There are people here who think that Zero is worse than Stay Night?

Holy shit that's a terrifying thought. Thanks for warning me. I gotta get out of this thread!
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>>44618323
>>44618300
Nasu has said in the context of the nasuverse Jesus was full deity and can not be a heroic spirit as his spirit never went to the throne of heroes.
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>>44618345
Not here, but yes literally the entirety of /a/ does. I agree with them. I really dislike Fate/Zero and very much enjoy Heaven's Feel.
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>>44618326
People don't like that not only are there sloppily-done and unnecessary genderbends, but that there's MULTIPLE sloppily-done unnecessary genderbends. While people use it as hyperbole, the fact is that Fate is notorious for applying historical names and deeds to figures that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common with their original owners.
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>>44618249
Because he is the OG Heroic Spirit. That magic sword you think is so neat? He has the original. Your mystical bow? Yep, it's in the Gate of Babylon, right next to the wine cellar.
>>44618300
>Jesus
>not a god
Tell that to the VAST majority of his followers. Holy Trinity, yo.
>>44618351
Also this.
A Heroic Spirit has to TAKE the offer in the first place, which they need to have a reason to do.
"WHY did you character become a Heroic Spirit?" is probably the single most important question if you're trying to create an OC donut steel Heroic Spirit.
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>>44618234
I like it, it's actually a cool concept.

>>44618293
Right?
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>>44618345
>fucking secondary thinks F/Z with edgemaster MC is better than F/SN
Please don't make me laugh
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>>44618253
Not even true. At all.
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>>44618413
Dear lord are you stupid?
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>>44618398
Go back to the bastion of shit taste known as /a/ if you think F/SN is even good. Little lone better than F/Z
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>>44618413
Justify how he was so important given all the other bullshit that had been happening in Europe for the last 20 years prior to WW1.
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>>44618398

>Implying any Fate series has a non-shit MC
>Implying most intriguing Fate Zero plot wasn't Iskander
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>>44618381
It's gotten a bit better at making Servants more closely resemble the figures they're based on in terms of abilities, if not appearance and gender, compared to the first couple of entries.

Though you still have shit like Charles Babbage in powered armor and Nikola Tesla being compared to thunder gods like Zeus and Indra. But at least both of them are still men.
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>>44618234
7.5/10, decent
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>>44618249
Because all his broken aspects come from what he already is solidified in time and not what other people now make him out to be.

Yes, sadly even if you get a crazy fame bonus from having movies made out of you and getting some false overblown aspect turned into real ability, it sometimes still doesn't beat the guy who actually somehow really had everything in his vault despite modern people not knowing that part of him.

>>44618351
Won't stop anyone(or him) from making up exceptions or a whole new condition that allows it if they really want to. You just have to satisfy yourself with the whys and hows.
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>>44618372

Hey, I'm not saying Fate Zero was perfect, or even great. Or even good. I'm just saying Stay Night is boring overhyped bullshit.
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>>44618430
Rofl.
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>>44618459
>Won't stop anyone(or him) from making up exceptions or a whole new condition that allows it if they really want to. You just have to satisfy yourself with the whys and hows.
No I mean in Nasuverse canon. Someone probably has made jesus OC.

>>44618472
So which routes have you completed? I am curious.
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>>44618326
Shut your lying mouth. They do at least one of those in almost every one. I cant even look at what they did to Attila the Hun
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>>44618472
People go into FSN from Zero expecting two things, edge and the Grail War being the main focus.

But FSN is actually extremely idealistic, and the Grail War exists basically as a plot device to focus on Shirou's character.
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>>44618273
>were total idiots
If you're talking about Shirou?
THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT.
He's idiotically heroic. It is his defining aspect as a character. Literally EVERYONE around him tells him that it's not a good thing. He's supposed to come off as a thick headed moron about it. And each Route deals with that part of him in a different way.
>>44618437
>>44618472
>has only watched part of an adaptation of a single Route
>thinks he knows what he's talking about
Fuckin' secondaries.
>>44618521
The vast majority of the side materials aren't in any way shape or form canon to the mainline setting except through the vagaries of the setting having a Multiverse.
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>>44618521
And for every genderbend they do there's like six or seven characters who kept their historical penises.

If you think Fate's bad, look at Eiyuu Senki.
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>>44618493

I mean Nasu saying that won't ever stop Nasu from doing it either through 'it's not really the Fuyuki Grail rules' and 'it's not from the Throne' shenanigans. Extra brought Buddha as the final boss servant. CCC features the Alter Ego High Servants that are made of divine spirit aspects and F/GO straight out brought Stheno, Euryale and Artemis(who somehow dragged herself into it to when the Servant is actually Orion).
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>>44618492
You haven't actually made a point, you just ignored the fact the entire country was in turmoil for decades.
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>>44618654
I think the lousy sex scenes might be some sort of weird rebellion on Nasu's part at his best buddy forcing him to keep putting porn in his stories.
ESPECIALLY in Fate, which was originally supposed to be about a shy qt magus girl falling in love with King Arthur.
Also, Gil and Cu would have had routes.
Just saiyan.
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>>44618535
At least someone has the right idea around here
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>>44618755
Nasu's pretty lewd. See CCC.

Not that you're wrong, just saying.
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>>44618819
True, but there's a difference between making lewd allusions and discussing lewd stuff, and straight up writing porn into your urban fantasy story about vampires and a family of demon hunters and Catholic monster slayers.
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>>44616693
>>Saber
>Sigurd

You've already lost.
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For comparison's sake, let's look at all the characters available currently in Fate/Grand Order (which, admittedly, doesn't include all of the existing Servants from previous spinoffs yet) and break them up into some categories:

Male heroes turned into female Servants:
King Arthur (like five times)
Nero Claudius Caesar
Atilla the Hun
Minamoto no Yoshitsune
Jing Ke
Francis Drake
Okita Souji
Oda Nobunaga
Jack the Ripper (sort of.)
Mordred
Frankenstein's Monster
Leonardo da Vinci is genderbent and appears in-game but is not yet obtainable

Female heroes that stayed female:
Atalanta
Stheno
Euryale
Medusa
Elizabeth Bathory (twice, three times if you count Carmilla)
Carmilla
Boudica
Marie Antoinette
Saint Martha
Medea (twice)
Mata Hari
Kiyohime
Tamamo no Mae (twice)
Joan of Arc
Anne Bonny and Mary Read
Scathach

Male Servants who stayed male:
Siegfried
Juluis Caesar
Gilles de Rais (twice)
Gilgamesh
Robin Hood
Arash
Cu Chulainn (three times)
Mushashibou Benkei
Leonidas
Romulus
Saint George
Blackbeard
Alexander the Great (twice-ish)
Hans Christian Andersen
William Shakespeare
Mozart
Zhuge Liang (sorta, he's possessing someone else that's male)
Sasaki Kojirou
Charles Henri Sanson
Phantom of the Opera
Hercules
Lancelot
Lu Bu
Spartacus
Sakata Kintoki
Vlad Tepes
The Minotaur
Caligula
Darius III
Erik Bloodaxe
King David
Hector of Troy
Diarmuid Ua Duibhne
Fergus mac Roich
Nikola Tesla
Paracelsus
Charles Babbage
Jekyll/Hyde
King Solomon
Arjuna
Karna

Special cases:
Galahad (male, possessing a female)
Chevalier d'Eon (intersex crossdresser in real life, magic transexual in Fate)
Nursery Rhyme (isn't a real person in the first place)
Hassan i-Sabbah (Dread Pirate Roberts situation, including one woman)
Mephistopheles (male? demon turned asexual homunculus)
Orion (reduced to a mascot character. Artemis does the fighting)
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>>44617890
>He actually had an ok career. He made it to Sergeant Major or Artillery.

That's an okay career. It is not a Heroic Spirit career. Remember, a Spirit's Noble Phantasm and other abilities are derived from their legends, not random things that happen to have been part of their lives. That's why you can even have shit like Kojiro, where it just grabs some guy who happens to be close to the legend when the actual person didn't exist. It's the legend that matters, and artillery hasn't got jack shit to do with Poe's reputation in history.

If you can't run him as Caster, seriously don't run him. Authors don't really work for much else.
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>>44618887
I'd challenge Drake only because they have a pseudo reason for that.
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>>44618924
Maybe, but no mention of it was ever made in Grand Order, that has a whole chapter where she's a main character.
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>>44617243
Noble Phantasm:

NEVERMORE ~ quoth the raven
a crystallization of the works of Edgar Allen Poe, in particular, the Raven. Activation requires a bounded field and two day's setup time. The bounded field must have a clear "entrance"; above thid must be placed a bust of Pallas.

once the target enters the room they MUST speak in rhyme or suffer the chsnging of past events. as poe is a writer, he creates tragedy. the person the target loved most is retroactively killed within the space and they take massive stat penalties; history is changed- though not in reality, only within NEVERMORE'S confines.
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So a few final things from me, the faggot playing Poe.

If I am going to do this I might as well be cancerous. It is known the circumstances surrounding Poe's death are mysterious, with him being found with clothes that weren't his, shouting out a name no one could identify, and his last words being "Lord help my poor soul". This was actually a traumatic incident with the counter force, under which's service he appeared under several different names during the next centuries, and actually gave rise to the "Poe Toaster" when visiting his own grave (knowing his death was a predetermined eventuality).

Upon death he was offered a seat upon the throne of heroes, which he accepted in a bitter defiance against the counter force.

I think that is donut steel enough.

Now for his stats:
Class: Rider (meant to be Caster, but forced into Rider due to Caster already having been summoned)
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Mana: B
Luck: B

I'm going to play him as exactly what he is, someone who is weak in direct combat and is forced to rely on his noble phantasm and his mage. Bitter at his situation of being summoned under disadvantageous circumstances he is now forced to make the best of a terrible situation.

His mage is going to be the melee of the two of them, he being a mid twenties female american born mage. Gonna play her as head strong, and going to use the magic system from Kara no Kyokai (as it fleshes out Nasu verse magic well), having her finding her Origin of the Glutton.

As for his Noble Phantasms, gonna have to choose. I need advice on these, what do you think would fit Poe? Since he is a Rider I am thinking The Raven as one, being something related to a Raven.
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>>44618430
I think we both know the answer to that question, anon.
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>>44618961
I like this. I like this a lot.
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>>44618987
>The Raven
Not a bad choice, friend.

But do not forget the Cask of Amontillado.
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>>44619012
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>>44618961
Eh, there's already canonically a Dead Apostle Ancestor with a Reality Marble called Nevermore.
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>>44618987
He's still going to get stomped by Siegfried.
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>>44618216
>Gavrilo Princip
>important
He was just a random schmuck who accidentally ended up being the one who threw the match into a barrel of gasoline. Literally anyone else could've done what he did.
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>>44618887
What about the males that were turned into faggoty shotas like Hans Christian Andersen and Enkidu?
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>>44619012
>>44618987
Actually, Poe faggot here again. I have an even worse idea.

I can lower his Mana to D and up his Luck to A+ and with that I'll have enough budget to have three Noble Phantasms at B or two at A+. I've talked to the other players and it seems everyone is buying raw stats and most people are not focusing on their Noble Phantasms.

I'll be the underdog but why the fuck not. It's a Fate game, we need someone in a shit situation fighting impossible odds.
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>>44619019
The World confuses them; the name connection to gransurg is the only reason he even has one. there. sufficiently nasu.
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>>44619012
Being buried alive is one of the most prevalent recurring themes of his work. He could have something where there are constantly deathtraps that end in being buried or sealed up constantly forming around him, and he's super used to spotting them, but he can try and trick other people into falling for them
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>>44618961
the important thing is it has to apply to the actual player while their character is there.
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>>44619073
So long as they're GOOD NP.
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>>44619052
Enkidu isn't really a shota, he's just a fuccboi. And a shapeshifter, so it doesn't matter too much.

They did make fuccboi shota Alexander the Great for Grand Order, as his teenage self that tamed the wild horse Bucephalus. But you have to admit, he got huge over the next few years.
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>>44619096
Poefag, do this.

One of his Noble Phantasms literally has to have a "buried alive" motif to it.
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>>44618987
Ok updated:


Now for his stats:
Class: Rider (meant to be Caster, but forced into Rider due to Caster already having been summoned)
Reason: Traumatic experience with the Counter Force that left him embittered and dying.
Master: Samantha Moore (American born hedge mage working in conjunction with an american mage para military organization. America is shit at the Holy Grail War because their history isn't long enough yet to produce powerful heroic spirits, or many heroic spirits at all)
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Mana: D
Luck: A+
Noble Phantasms:
The Raven A+
The Telltale Heart A+ (subject to change)
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>>44619073
This could actually work, then. Noble Phantasm shenanigans are the surest way to victory if they're properly exploitable, at least if my brief exposure to the universe is anything to judge by. That's why Gilgamesh is so OP - he has access to every Noble Phantasm that takes the form of an item, so he always has the right tools for the job. His stats, high as they are, usually just let him survive long enough to abuse his real superpower.
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>>44619052
Andersen's appearance was chosen by his Master. Ignoring F/GO anyway.

Astolfo is meant to look that way.
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>>44619096
Fucking perfect. This character is actually getting pretty cool I like it.
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>>44618493
>>44618535

Yes. In every Route he's idiotically heroic. And it is boring and dull and takes forever to resolve and there's not much given to the characters beyond the plot. I mean, the anime adaptation is loads worse (any of them), but still. Its all like watching special needs kids try to struggle through problem solving.

Fate/Zero sucked, if only for the main plot and its huge flaws, but at least it tried to present a mage as something vaguely competent and not a bunch of dumbass kids. And as much as I dislike it, I do think Waver's arc was actually a proper way to have a useless character become useful - you still it in believable increments.
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>>44619141
inb4 you die in the first fight becuase you made a garbo character.
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>>44616693

>Poe
>Archer

I am pretty tired of the whole "person who wrote some books" qualifying as a heroic spirit thing that the spin-offs have propagated. But fuck, at least they relegated them to the Caster class.

How the fuck is Poe an Archer?

Also, you are straight fucked if one of your opponents has Sigurd.
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>>44619141
Ok, Poefag here again. What would be a good name for his buried alive ability? I'm thinking it as his Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm. It forces a single target into a death trap of Poe's own devising.

Maybe actually give it the same name as his dying quote:
"Lord Help My Poor Soul" A+ Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.
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>>44618819
>Nasu's pretty lewd. See CCC.
To be fair, the main theme of CC was love in all of its forms, both ugly and beautiful. Can't really explore it without some lewd stuff here and there.
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>>44619202
Poefag here, not even mad at this point.

>>44619190
I don't even care at this point. One of the other players just let me look at his stats. His luck is E, and his noble phantasm is a D.
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>>44619205
"The Pit and the Pendulum" if you want to be obvious about it.

Maybe "the Fall of the House of Usher."
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Quick, make the most broken team of servants imaginable. I'm talking about a holy grail war that will leave the area it takes place at in tatters.
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>>44619237
Manfred von Richtofen as Rider, for sure.
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>>44619202
Shakespeare I'm totally cool with as an actual concept, because he's fucking Shakespeare. Andersen and Dumas are such great characters I'm willing to overlook the concept being stupid.

And now we have grand strategists like Zhuge Liang and musicians like Mozart in the Caster class too.
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>>44619052
Enkidu is a shapeshifter. He can look like whatever the fuck he wants and it makes sense that his default form looks feminine, considering he was humanized by copying the appearance of the Divine Harlot.
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>>44619237
Does Mohammed qualify as a servant, or is he banned for the same reason Jesus is?
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So I can be even worse. I can drop my Luck from A+ to A, and my Mana to E, and afford to bump one of my Noble Phantasms from A+ to EX
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>>44619205
>"Lord Help My Poor Soul" A+ Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.
Nah, "Lord Help My Poor Soul" is a Noble Phantasm that he can't access, and don't even explain what it is, just have Poe mention that there is no salvation for his soul now (Have him ask the raven if there is balm in Gilead).

>>44619236
Nah dog, full obvious is "The Premature Burial", but I like "the Pit and the Pendulum, since it lets OP have more Final Destination shit in the effect.
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>>44619257

No straight deities, anything short of that is fine.
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>>44616693
>7 players

Sounds awful desu senpai
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>>44619248

I'll admit, the way they did Dumas is actually super cool, in that it actually makes sense for how a caster based on a writer should work.
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>>44619245

Musashi as saber.

Extra points if Musashi is gender bend'd, because it's apparently a class feature.
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>>44619257
He's a prophet, not basically God incarnate, so he'd probably qualify. But we'll never see him because Nasu knows better than to piss off Muslims.
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>>44619268
Mohammed's not a deity, just a prophet, so would he make a good Ruler?
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>>44619237
Saber - Arturia
Archer - Gil
Lancer - Enkidu
Caster - Soloman
Assassin - Semi
Rider - Nero
Avenger for giggles.
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>>44619237

Saber: Archangel Michael
Archer: Still probably Gil
Lancer: St. George
Rider: Conquest
Caster: Solomon
Berserker: Beowulf
Assassin: Hassan. Because it must always be Hassan.
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>>44619286
An argument might be made for it, since an apocryphal Christian saint became a Ruler.
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>>44619248
>Mozart
Best design.
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>>44619286

Probably. Or Saver.
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>>44619306
He looks more like a Persona than Avicebron ever did.
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>>44619141
Now for his stats:
Class: Rider (meant to be Caster, but forced into Rider due to Caster already having been summoned)
Reason: Traumatic experience with the Counter Force that left him embittered and dying.
Master: Samantha Moore (American born hedge mage working in conjunction with an american mage para military organization. America is shit at the Holy Grail War because their history isn't long enough yet to produce powerful heroic spirits, or many heroic spirits at all)
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Mana: E
Luck: A+
Noble Phantasms:
"The Raven" A Anti-Army (Summons "An Evil Thing", the raven which binds Poe's soul beneath it. While affected by The Raven Poe and those around him are forced into terrible self realization of past wrongs and could have beens. It forces those caught beneath the thing's shadow to become overwhelmed with regret and sorrow)
"The Pit and The Pendulum" EX Anti-Unit (Forces those subject to The Pit, being ever increasingly and savage attempts by Poe to bury them or seal them into a structure. During this damage to Poe can not stop him. Once they are seal or otherwise constrained The Pendulum, which takes the form of an appropriate death trap for the situation, beings to close in on the one subject to it)

Ok, this may work.
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>>44619319
>"The Raven" A Anti-Army (Summons "An Evil Thing", the raven which binds Poe's soul beneath it. While affected by The Raven Poe and those around him are forced into terrible self realization of past wrongs and could have beens. It forces those caught beneath the thing's shadow to become overwhelmed with regret and sorrow)

Good. GOOD.

Look to your fellow Servants. See what their big fuck-ups were.
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>>44619319
I think this will be one of the worst balanced characters possible. Opinions? If I don't play smart out of the gate I'll probably die, and will always die in a straight fight. I'll have to rely on my mage as a shield between me and the rest of the world and rely on my Noble Phantasms.

I'm gonna be the underdog for sure, but seeing the other people's sheets I like the disparity. No one else is investing heavily in Noble Phantasms for Luck.
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>>44619319

>Poe
>Rank A+ luck

Are we talking about the same Edgar Allen Poe here?
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>>44619362
Luck and suffering go hand in hand. The luck keeps him alive long enough to keep suffering.
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>>44619362
In this canon Poe died because of Counter Force shenanigans, just have the fact that he lived as long as he did be because of his ability to avoid his fate.

>>44619378
Yeah. This.
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>>44619362
>>44619378
If you're going for that angle, an argument can be made for giving him rank EX luck. Or rank E luck, if it's supposed to be the Servant's ability to defy fate. Or something like A--.
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>>44619319
8.5/10. Would have job in the third act and make the audience FEEL.
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>>44619319

I may be wrong, but I don't think stats can have + or - modifiers on them, because they indicate specific multipliers that are only occasionally activated under certain circumstances.
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>>44619415
They can.
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>>44619407
I'm out of point subject at this. I literally can not lower my stats any farther. Our Gm is having + and - be point grabs though. They don't point things into a negative light, they break ties.

And EX always wins ties.
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>>44619415
Stats have had plus modifiers since FSN. Herc has A+ Str. We even have double plus modifiers now: Asterion, the Minotaur, has fucking A++ Str.

I'm not actually sure if we've seen minus modifiers on stats in canon, though.
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>>44619436
Rider's eye cover, her divinity, Kanshou and Bakuya.
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We also actually did a Grail War using PF

7 of us all rolled 2 character sheets
1 for the servant - a 15th level character
1 for the master - a 10th level character

We got a map of a city, drew a grid on it and played there.

We passed around notes to the DM to describe our actions. Keeping our locations secret, etc.
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>>44619436
What would A+ luck even entail? How lucky would that be?

Also how strong is EX? I am confused, I don't do much Fate stuff. Like... how the fuck strong with the pit/pendulum thing be?
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>>44619444
That's a Noble Phantasm, a skill, and another Noble Phantasm, in order. I mean the raw stats. Strength, Endurance, Mana, that sort of thing.

>>44619462
It's plot armor.
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>>44619485
So in this case Poe has the best plot armor?
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>>44619454
>>44619454
Our group:
'That guy' Steve - Holed up in his house for a week with his caster. Dropped magic-triggered bombs throughout the entire city like a dick.
Servant: Nikolas Flammel the Alchemist. responsible for making said magic bombs.

Died in, I think 8th day? Archer found his house and rolled a crit to take out Flammel who rolled a 1 on his CON save.

The weeaboo (granted, we were all weaboos but he was the biggest) Grey - he died first because due to sheer luck, he ordered his servant to scout while he went hiding and he just had to run into Saber.
Servant: Hanzo Hattori, had levels in Ninja, and a PoW initiator for throwing weapons. Goes invisible, spams remote throwing stars everywhere.

Died first, on day 3. While he was on top of tokyo tower, giving orders to Assassin, he dies to another player also perching on tokyo tower. Ironically, he dies from getting stabbed in the back.

Mervin he-who-has-not-heard-of-FS/N - The only guy who rolled a druid in the setting and got far with it.
Servant: D'Artagnan, Cavalier (Archer)
Mer had good tactics - he spammed summon monster 1 to scout the area, while D'artagnan used his leadership to command his other 3 musketeer "summons" to go anywhere of interest. He also triggered most of the bombs using his summon monster and found Caster.

Disqualified on 10th day by D'artagnan DKO with Berserker (reminded me of Archer vs Berserker. shit was so cash)

Carey - The only girl at the table and also a fucking tease. She likes rolling barbarians, so I think you know what servant she's getting
Servant: Egill Skalagrimson, Skald.
She liked to use buffs and rage to make Egill fuckhuge and kill things. Killed both Rider and Archer. Died in a draw with Archer's 4 pronged musketeer attack.
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>>44619509
Paul he-who-rolls-fucking-well is the only guy who uses psionics while everyone rolled casters (I think he was going for soulknife Shirou but he never got to fight yet)
Servant: Sir Richard the Lionheart aka a fucking Arturia Pendragon clone. Killed Assassin's master. "almost" got hurt by assassin (poor rolls - poor assassin), ate a fuckton of magic bombs but survived due to Magic DR 5

Rodney the fatass - The only guy who seems to have never run into encounters. Not magic traps, not servants, not masters.
Servant: Lancer - Fiann Mc Cumhail (oh sure, roll an IRISH lancer why don't ya?) Never ran into an encounter so I have no idea what he does.
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>>44619462

+ and - Modifiers are specifically multipliers.

As a baseline indicator, Rank E roughly implies 10 times more powerful than the average human in a specific stat. So if a human has a STR of "1" and servant with Rank E STR would have an effective rating of "10 STR"

A single + multiplies that, so rank A+ STR would be 50x2. Likewise, - divides it. So a Rank E- in something would effectively have a rating of 5.

So a person with rank A+ luck would have luck 100 times greater than an average person.

EX Indicates that it cannot be measured. Gil's Gates of Babylon for example, have a rank of EX because it contains such a wide varieties of different items and different unique effects that it cannot be easily classified under a single rank.
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>>44619485
>That's a Noble Phantasm, a skill, and another Noble Phantasm, in order. I mean the raw stats. Strength, Endurance, Mana, that sort of thing.
Saber had A+ luck in F/SN when Rin was her master.
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>>44619485
Ah.

Then I don't believe I've ever seen negative stats on a HS.
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>>44619521
I forgot about our Rider

Nick he-who-I-keep-forgetting-about rolled the mortal Rider of the Apocalypse. Death.

Rider Death is an Antipaladin specc'd into intimidations and bad touches and is immune to his own mummy rot curse.

Hasn't died during our game. Hard to kill something designed to shrug off damage and status effects.
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>>44619462
A+ luck is like ridiculous levels, you find $3000 while you're digging in the dumpster.

EX represents a stat that's so high it can't be measured. It's given to I think Saber's hyper anime beam, and a few other really strong characters.
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>>44619522
100 times luckier? That's... pretty lucky?
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>>44619598
Always aim for the master. Even then.
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>>44619614

Luck in Fate is pretty weird, don't get too hung up about it.

It basically indicates a given characters ability to say, ironically "screw you, fate."

For example, Saber is able to survive Gae Bolg literally because her Luck stat was high enough to avoid the certain death of Gae Bolg's meta-causal fuckery.
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So, first session is gonna be this friday. Should I report back with what ever bullshit occurs?

At the moment Alfred's and Ivar's players look like they're going to fight first. How do I know this? Because their players always engage in PvP.

I'm planning on spending a lot of time in public places since they can't immediately start a fight in public (one of the conditions is we have to stay secret, as per usual).

Any suggestions on a public place to go to at night? Nightclubs? Unfortunately out of time Poe in a modern nightclub?

Also according to our GM we will be having both together sessions and one on one sessions. One on one for some secret planning and other stuff, group sessions for big shit.
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>>44619610
Saber's sword beam is actually "only" A++. Gil's Ea is EX, because it punches a hole in reality.

Though Proto Arthur, the male one, his Excalibur is EX-rank, and Saber's spear that we never saw in FSN is apparently EX-rank because it acts as a tether for the reality that Gaia manifests. Or something.
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>>44619509
Nikolas Flammel
Hanzo Hattori
D'Artagnan
Egill Skalagrimson
Richard the Lionheart
Fiann Mc Cummheil

Except for Berserker, who is a literal who?, its not a bad lineup.
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>>44619610
Excalibur is only A++.

Known EX are Avalon, Ea, Ea, Drake, I think Andersen?, Spartacus and that's all I remember off the top of my head.
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>>44619639
Dude probably had Independent Action
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>>44619681
>Should I report back with what ever bullshit occurs?
Yes, please.
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>>44619687
So how powerful would The Pit and The Pendulum be? Like what would it do?
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>>44619509
>Servant: D'Artagnan, Cavalier (Archer)
>Cavalier
>Not Musketeer
>Archer Servant Class
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Ok, one last thing to decide that I am really unsure of. Poe needs skills.

How it works is I have a 30 point budget for skills. I get three skills automatically that start at E. Getting a new skill at E costs 1 point, upgrading to D costs 2, to C costs 3, etc. Adding a + costs half that rank, rounded up. So the + for A+ costs 3 points.

Any ideas what would fit for Poe? Skills is what I know least well in Fate.
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>>44619681
Yes please. I'm makin my own homebrew and I'd like to see player interaction and how player actions are handled etc.
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>>44619741
>He hasn't seen D'Artagnan and his three musketeers fire a musket volley Nikolas Flammel's master straight into negative HP using teamwork feats

>He hasn't seen the Musketeers blow up an entire building to crush Berkserker to a quarter of his HP. RIP Portos.
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>>44619719
Well, EX is usually not used for things that are just powerful, but for things with effects that defy powerlevels.

For comparison, most Reality Marbles are EX rank (UBW isn't because it's ranked based on the swords inside of it, and besides that there's Charles Babbage's at A+ or A++), the Minotaur's Labyrinth, a one-shot god-killing spear, a beam of pure Enlightenment, and a brief transformation into a literal, full-powered dragon.
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>>44619799
So it'd defy power levels. It simply WOULD get them sealed away one way or another. Since it defies power levels it wouldn't matter that the other person would be stronger than him.
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>>44619719
If it's EX rank? I guess it would create some terrifying death trap that could conceivably beat even the really broken servants.
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>>44618547
That's like saying 'if you think Black Tokyo is bad, look at FATAL'.

The shittiness of one does not excuse the shittiness of the other.
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>>44619741
You can make the same arguments with Gil and Archer Shirou, you know. Nasu gives 0 shits.
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Oh, and one last thing.

How much should Poe suffer? Should this be a tale of his triumph and final acceptance of self, or a slow decent into madness?

Also, something I haven't considered and realize it is the most important thing. Poe needs a wish. I'm thinking a rather simple one, a chance to speak directly to the Counter Force. Basically he wants to purchase a meeting with god.

Also our GM has told us a certain heroic spirit will be making an appearance separate from the seven of us. I fear it may be Gil. It would however be satisfying using The Pit and The Pendulum of Gilgamesh.
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>>44619756
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Skill
Try to make some up for him
He could also use Item Construction
Maybe
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>>44619756
Skills should be NP lite. Immunity to fear, resistances, knowledge of some subject like tactics. Stuff like that.
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>>44619681
You should gun for Sigurd.
The faster he dies, the better you'll do.
Trust me, anon.
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>>44619756
Skill idea, "The Bells"

Oh, the bells, bells, bells !
What a tale their terror tells
Of Despair !
How they clang, and clash, and roar !
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air !
Yet the ear, it fully knows,
By the twanging,
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows ;
Yet, the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling,
And the wrangling,
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells --
Of the bells --
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells --
In the clamour and the clangour of the bells !

Danger Sense, bitches.
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>>44619756
Post the homebrew.
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Shouldn't Edgar Allan Poe be the Writer class similar to William Shakespeare aka minor reality warping and save scumming?
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>>44619933
That's my plan. I have an idea.

I'm going to attempt to draw him into the conflict between Alfred and Ivar that will likely occur during the first session, then wait until the three of them tire themselves out fighting each other.

>>44619936
I like this.

"The Bells" B (Danger Sense)
"Allowed To Remain" B (Increases Luck Parameter If Living Would Cause More Suffering)
"The Telltale Heart" B (Presence Concealment)
"Lord Help My Poor Soul" D (Plea For Absolution)

Seem good?
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>>44620002

Should "The Telltale Heart" thematically reveal others under the effects of presence concealment?
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>>44620049
Fair point.
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>>44617876

Nikola Tesla was an Archer, so you can be pretty recent.
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>>44620002
Maybe instead of naming the skills after his works, maybe replace the descriptions with relevant passages, like Nursery Rhyme does.
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>>44620002
>(Increases Luck Parameter If Living Would Cause More Suffering)
Poor guy

>>44620002
>"Lord Help My Poor Soul" D (Plea For Absolution)
What would this actually do?

Also also, does he need a token amount of Riding for this, or is him being Rider going to be a complete bug in the system and he doesn't even have any (Or possibly he'll get enough for free to qualify for the class, it's how I'd do it, but it depends on the DM)

>>44620049
>>44620058
Well, the cops don't react to the heart at all, you could just make it really grating for Poe to keep it active too long, to help not step on the Assasin's toes as much, while still giving you some stealth.
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>>44617876
The original rule was 'anyone born after the start of the age of guns isn't ~heroic~ enough', but I'm pretty sure that rule's been thrown out the window and onto some sharp rocks by now.
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>>44620077
The plea is after the same person who shouted for on his death bed. It's a plea, nothing more. It doesn't actually DO anything.

As for Riding what it seems like is he was shunted into it because that was the only spot left. He shouldn't have been there at all, but his summon got forced.
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>>44620078
It's never been "since the start of the age of guns." It was supposed to be people of the last hundred years or so, though it's kind of drifted forward to WWII-ish.

Though that does make you wonder if someone in the first few Grail Wars ever accidentally summon a contemporary or someone from the future.
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>>44619495
Because he is the author. I like it.
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Final Stats

Class: Rider (meant to be Caster, but forced into Rider due to Caster already having been summoned)

Reason: Traumatic experience with the Counter Force that left him embittered and dying.

Wish: A meeting with the Counter Force. Purchasing a meeting with God.

Master: Samantha Moore (American born hedge mage working in conjunction with an american mage para military organization. America is shit at the Holy Grail War because their history isn't long enough yet to produce powerful heroic spirits, or many heroic spirits at all)

Stats:

Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Mana: E
Luck: A+

Noble Phantasms:

"The Raven" A Anti-Army (Summons "An Evil Thing", the raven which binds Poe's soul beneath it. While affected by The Raven Poe and those around him are forced into terrible self realization of past wrongs and could have beens. It forces those caught beneath the thing's shadow to become overwhelmed with regret and sorrow)

"The Pit and The Pendulum" EX Anti-Unit (Forces those subject to The Pit, being ever increasingly and savage attempts by Poe to bury them or seal them into a structure. During this damage to Poe can not stop him. Once they are seal or otherwise constrained The Pendulum, which takes the form of an appropriate death trap for the situation, beings to close in on the one subject to it)

Skills:

"The Bells" B (Danger Sense)

"Allowed To Remain" B (Increases Luck Parameter If Living Would Cause More Suffering)

"The Telltale Heart" B (Presence Concealment)

"Lord Help My Poor Soul" D (Plea For Absolution, Merely A Plea. No Help Will Come.)
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>>44620134
>Plea For Absolution, Merely A Plea. No Help Will Come.
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>>44619268
sorry for being a newfag, but the wiki lists Thor as a berserker, is he no a god in it?
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>>44619896
Oh dear god....
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>>44620106
hmm, you're right. Could have sworn that there was something on record with Nasu basically saying people who used guns could go get fucked, but I can't find it any more.
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>>44620203

I don't consider Prisma Illya is a good baseline for what is acceptable in a normal session.

What you should consider a good baseline are Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, And Fate/Extra, and that one is somewhat dubious.
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>>44620203
Kaleid is completely off the scales.
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>>44620244
It was less "gun users can get fucked" and more "just being good with a gun isn't nearly enough to become a Heroic Spirit".
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>>44620134
I've read through the whole thread, and I'd just like to say Poefag seems like a pretty chill guy. Looking forward to your tales of suffering (and hopefully a little triumph mixed in there).
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>>44620244
It's a frequently misinterpreted quote. You can't get into the Throne on gun skills alone, but as long as you've done something else sufficiently notable then it's fine if you use them.

The proliferation of guns is one of many factors that have contributed to the lack of Heroic Spirits in more recent time, though.
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>>44620134

Jesus dude. You shouldn't have neglected your stats that much.
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>>44620294
He got Poe as Rider
These stats are more than I would except in that situation
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>>44620263
>>44620269

Thanks for the clarifications.
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>>44620294
Poe as Rider isn't gonna have good stats m8.
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Hmm, I actually just finished running my second homebrew campaign of Fate over skype... though it sounds like you won't have the same Master/Servant dynamic mine have (different players for Masters/Servants).

Because yours is Pathfinder-based I'd take healing magic for the Master and try to burst down opponents - fight early, fight often. Unless your GM has balanced in some kind of Prana system to avoid that it'll work really well and you'll get sweet stuff with each defeat.

Ideally however the GM will have included diminishing resources and the whole "rock paper scissors" feel to the combat interactions. Going to have to vanish to work soon (UK) but I could post campaign info, servants and the system basics this evening if anyone is interested...
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>>44620400
I would be
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>>44620134
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>>44620419

I'll be around in, oh, 9 hours or so, the system is based around skype so it had to deal with secret declarations in combat. I'll post some of the Interludes I wrote as well as some of the character sheets...
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I'm confused, what happened in this thread.
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>>44617328
well to be fair, Sasaki Kojiro was like... 1800s
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>>44621043

15-1600's actually.
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>>44617328
Anything Pre 1920ish is good, from what I know. I mean Mata Hari is a Heroic Spirit. A really weak one, but a Heroic Spirit.
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>>44621151
No one would accuse this incarnation of Poe being strong. Fucking dangerous as hell, but strong? Nah.
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>>44621151
Tesla's existence pushes that back to the early 1940s.
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>>44621174

Grand Order isn't a great metric to measure servant validity.
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Would Ed Kann make good fake servant?
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>>44621189
First off, if that's the case then you can write off Mata Hari as well.

Second, it's being overseen by Nasu and partially written by him alongside the authors of Prototype: Fragments and Apocrypha. And it's actually been expanding on the lore quite a bit. This shit is canon.
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>>44621222
>>44621189

The Nasuverse isn't and has never been about historical or mythological accuracy. It's always been what's about being cool and looking awesome (or what the designer/Nasu thinks is cool/awesome).
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>>44616693
>Assassin
>Shaka Zulu
wat. He's a lancer, maybe berserker.

Tell that player that if he wants a real Assassin he should look up Buhram Jemedar.
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>>44617845
You guys should use something like RuneQuest 6 or flat BRP 2 then.
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I'm surprised you guys didn't keep you heroic spirit choices private and uncovered them naturally like in all the Holy Grail Wars.
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>>44621222
>This shit is canon.
As taking place in another universe within the infinite universes that form the Kaleidoscope, yes.
But literally EVERYTHING EVER is part of the Kaleidoscope.
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Damn Poefag, that's actually pretty good. Makes me wonder if Homer, Dante or Virgil would make good Servants.
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>>44624630
>x is more canon

NOT ANYMORE!
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>>44619073
>It's a Fate game, we need someone in a shit situation fighting impossible odds.
This is why Medea is the best.
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>>44617876
How about Caster Michael Jackson?
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>>44619896
>Gilgamesh
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So why has this magnificent fucker never been a Servant in anything even semi-official?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Liechtenauer
I mean if literally everybody who has ever written anything even vaguely significant ever gets to be a Caster, how does this fucker not qualify for Saber?
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>>44616693
>Rider
>not Genghis Khan
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>>44619896
If Poe goes down wrecking Gil's mind, you had the best Servant ever.
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I might be a bit late to the thread, but if you're still around OP, you HAVE to get in a 'Cask of Amontillado' reference if you catch somebody with The Pit and The Pendulum.
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>>44624210
Everyone else isn't super into fate, so they just told others. I haven't told anyone I'm playing Poe.

>>44626247
>Gilgamesh activates Gate of Babylon
>Poe activates The Pit and The Pendulum
>seals Gilgamesh behind the gates
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If you're actually playing to win, try to ally up with someone you know you can take out with a single command spell usage.
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>>44616693
Having played a fate game, with 12 players no less, and about to start up another as a master, the idea of a game without hidden servant identities shocks and horrifies me.
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>>44621151
>mata hari
if i could force her to fight on the damned fields of the trenches, as the clostest hate sink for the souls that might roam there

oh the fun
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>>44627243

Tactical advantage! They don't know what to expect!
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>>44627243
And you didn't, maybe, warn them that keeping your Servant's identity a secret is kind of important in this setting?
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Actually, has anyone thought of transcribing the Nasuverse into SRS? F.E.A.R games seem like they'd be the perfect base to build a Nasuverse game off - they have the right kind of skill system with conditions and timing, a short but solid skill list, open-ended stats, social connection systems and are pretty modular so that each game can have its own gimmick.
If I got myself worked up for it, I could probably brew one up in a few months (assuming people liked Fedora: the Tipping). I can already think of a few ways to handle F/SN - as said, the SRS system is pretty modular, and it'd be easy to create a Command Seal system. Noble Phantasms are literally just Skills with a per-scenario activation limit and maybe some other kind of trigger, and Master/Servant relationships could be handled like Loises meet Dread (for example, the Lois turning into a Titus could mean that the Servant somehow leaves the Master or dies, but the Titus can be burnt for an attempt to reenter the Holy Grail War with another Servant or re-binding the old one, or alternately making a difference as a sole magus, fate-point-like), except with mana transfer instead of Encroach.
Well, I think I'm just getting worked up here. I know there's another Nasuverse system, but I don't like it and think it's too derivative of too many things at once to a level where it fails to capture the feel of the universe.
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>>44628616
Three people had already revealed before I could. Then I considered the whole "maybe I DO want an advantage" and explained I am hiding mine so as to gain an advantage. They rest revealed anyway.

>>44628574
Yes, and my character is about as odd as you can get. They've had a run down of what class does what, and mind really doesn't fit (he doesn't even having the riding skill, the GM approved it though).

Essentially it seems I am the Wild Card.

Sigurd, Alfred and Ivar seem to be the combat monsters. Hannibal seems more tactically minded. Nicholas seems to want to blow shit up. Zulu seems to have to bide his time.
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>>44627363
A command spell empowered Pit&Pendulum might even be able to take out Gilgamesh. Honestly pushing it to EX will probably be what saves me.
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>>44618381
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>>44619681
>Unfortunately out of time Poe in a modern nightclub?

>This place sucks
>Do you guys serve absinthe? No? Dammit
>Ugh, I think I'm getting a headache
>My feet hurt
>I wish I were at home with my books and my cat
>Don't they have anything stronger than this?
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>>44628616
>>44629455
You could flavor this as a skill of Poe's, if you wanted to. Poe didn't only do horror stuff, in fact he's also credited with the creation of the modern detective fiction genre with his character Augustin Dupin, who predates Sherlock Holmes. I think that might be worth mentioning.
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>>44617568
I'm honestly surprised they haven't actually done this.
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>>44629832
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>>44631967
Haven't they? Pretty damn sure they have.
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>>44616693
Eh, just standard Archer tips: stay out of close range combat, try and lure Berserker into Rider if you can, snipe people from skyscrapers if that's part of Poe's deal (or preferably creative use of that Nevermore Bounded Field I saw), and maybe try to make an alliance with either Assassin (for his surveillance powers to use as a spotter) or Saber/Lancer ( for close range backup without the risk of team killing that Berserker brings). As for the bitter alcoholic vs. loli question, why not both?
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>>44616693
>Alfred the great
My nigga
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>>44618642
Buddha was a divine spirit using Moon Cell rules, and he had a "choice" to enter it.

The manifestation of a Divine Spirit would render the Grail system pointless. If it could do that, then there wouldn't be any need for a Grail War in the first place.
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>>44619237
Saber: Hercules.
Archer: Gilgamesh.
Lancer: Karna.
Caster: whodafuckknows
Rider: Arjuna.
Assassin: Semiramis.
Berserker: Enkidu.

Let the bloodbath commence.

(I know Herc is better in Archer, but had to give that to Gil.)
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>>44619696
Amita Amitabha (Saver in Extra), Ars Almadel Salomonis (Solomon's Anti-Humanity NP), Avalon, Ea, Vasavi Shakti, Demon King of the Sixth Heaven (Oda Nobunaga's RM), Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Ionian Hetairoi, La Pucelle (Jeanne's RM-sword), Nursery Rhyme, Rhongomiyad (Arturia's spear), Samadhi Through Transforming Flames (also called "Fuck you world imma be a dragon now").

Probably others.
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>>44620106
Unlikely. The Throne respects causality. Summoning EMIYA was a one-off.
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>>44620203
Kaleid used Moon Cell, is the theory.
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>>44632821
>>44617568
There was an implication is that Francis Drake is Queen Elizabeth in disguise, but nothing direct
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>>44637066

Caster has to be Solomon. Dat Original Sin NP.
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>>44617843
If nursery rhyme, Hansen Christian anderson, and Jack the ripper(s) can be summoned I think you can walk it for simo
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>>44638778
Jack can't really be summoned, though. I mean, he sort of can, but it always fucks with the summoning because nobody knows *exactly* who the fuck Jack was.
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>>44616693
> should I do the old Fate tradition and make Poe a little girl or keep him as a bitter alcoholic
>implying you can't do both
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>Not Playing Mad jack Churchill as a Berserker.
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>>44621033
IN the interest of doing my part to keep the thread bumped in the hopes that Poefag returns and gives us the deets about his first session, I shall answer your question.

Fate Stay Night is the name of a Visual Novel/Anime based around a simple concept: Every now and again, the Holy Grail manifests in our reality. Various magical organizations fight to obtain the grail, and the winner is granted a wish by 'God'. The magical organizations fight these Holy Grail Wars with the use of Heroic Spirits: the...echoes/ghosts/souls of legendary heroes and villains.

OP's group is going to start a new game in the setting, and is using Edgar Allen Poe as his Heroic Spirit, and asked for /tg/'s help in working out ideas for it.

In the end, /tg/ helped him pick out thematically appropriates skills and Noble Phantasms (essentially finishing moves, or similarly legendary techniques/items)
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>>44616693
How can this premise possibly work?
Are all 7 of you present each session?
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>>44640068
>How can this premise possibly work?
>Are all 7 of you present each session?

>>44619681
>Also according to our GM we will be having both together sessions and one on one sessions. One on one for some secret planning and other stuff, group sessions for big shit.
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>>44619287
>>44619303
Solomon wins, no contest..
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>>44619287
Gil and Enkidu fuck off to wherever and ignore the whole Grail War mess.
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>>44637239
Doesn't seem to really be the case anymore, or else the shit going down in Grand Order is fucking it up. Most notably we have French Revolution Servants showing up in France at the end of the Hundred Years War, and we have Tesla being summoned in London when he would have still been alive in the US.
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nasu buff here

>>44617876
The cutoff point is actually stated to be 20th century. Barring Emiya, Mata Hari and Li Shuwen are the last people who weaseled themselves into the Throne.

The gun rule is more "technology can't be a NP", so you'd need a feat or particular skill nobody could mach, using a gun. Calamity Jane, Billy the Kid, or Francis Drake are all canon gunslinger heroic spirits.
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>>44618887
I thought the Frankensteins monster in grand order was the "female" one he made later on as a companion to the original. Is that wrong?
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>>44618170
Imotekh the Stormlord
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>>44643248
It's female, but her backstory matches the original male one's from the novel.
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>>44616693
>Edgar Allan Poe (me)
>(me)
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If OP is here, care to give the mechanics you're using? Or anyone who's done this before. My group seems interested in this scenario and I'd love to play it out with them.
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Because he got mentioned a few times in the thread, here's my writeup of Solomon as Caster.

CASTER

True Name: Solomon ((Jewish folklore))
Gender: Male
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Reason: The downfall of the Jewish people.
Wish: Undo the Holocaust.

Stats:
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: EX

Class Skills:
Territory Creation: EX
Enables the creation of a Temple, superior to a Workshop. At this skill level, the physical and magical aspects of the Temple can be manipulated at will by the Servant, and within, Mana can be channelled to amplify the Servant's parameters and skills.
Item Construction: A+
Solomon was known for his plentiful creations of powerful mystic items, most notably his ring. Works of similar power can be created, if given proper materials.

Personal Skills:
Charisma: B
The natural talent to command an army, equivalent to the leader of a country.

Noble Phantasms:

Khatim Suleimani - Seal of the King of Wisdom
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: 1-99
Maximum Targets: 1
A ring with a potent mystic seal, that commands beasts, demons, and spirits alike. With it, Solomon can issue absolute commands to supernatural creatures, including Phantasmal and Divine Beasts. Creatures with souls (i.e., mortals, part-mortals, and Servants) are immune.

Asmodeus - Bound Lord of All Hells
Rank: EX
Type: Anti-World
Range: 1-99
Maximum Targets: 1000
The king of demons, bound within Solomon's ring, is a functionally EX-Rank entity capable of destroying the world if released. It must follow Solomon's commands, but Asmodeus despises him, and will work against whatever it believes Solomon's goals are however it can. As such, Solomon prefers to keep it locked within his ring, used "merely" as a nigh-limitless mana source.
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>>44619237
Son Wukong as berzerker. Everything else is irrelevant.
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>>44619303
Divine spirits can't be summoned with the grail, so Michael is right out.
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>>44649644
Fate has a Solomon now.
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>>44619248
Zhuge Liang totally do feats of magic in the novels and Mozart is a mason so its fine
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Here OP, a bunch of servants made by /tg/

http://pastebin.com/CQ7wVzdd
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>>44650314
>Sun Wukong
>beats the shit out of people with a large pole
>not Lancer
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>>44650613
The guy is looking for sheer destruction. Wukong without reason or shenanigans is an angry volcanado in a can.
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reminder that if you get a servant that is too high-tier like Karna and Herc, unless you're the grail odds are you're just going to die being sucked dry by them for Prana.
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>>44651451
Pretty neat feature though. Prevents people from just going full "THE STRONGEST SERVANT IN EXISTENCE!"
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>>44651531
well actually Gilgamesh is the strongest servant and he is pretty prana efficient.

Of course that is counter-balanced by the fact that he is Gilgamesh
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Damn, poefag looks like he's gonna have some interesting adventures. Bumping for curiosity.

What catalyst would summon Poe anyway? I find it hard to think that the grail thought "yeah, THIS guy matches this girl's personality"

Although I always had the feeling using the no catalyst/vague catalyst summoning would bring up your odds tremendously. Actually being a good team with your servant even if they're not a powerhouse can get you far
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>>44652709

Talking about catalysts, if any mage could somehow get a piece of the Argo, shit would get crazy. So many different heroes sailed the boat that you'd pretty much be guaranteed one that is both pretty strong and also will get along with you marginally well at least
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>>44652758
I dunno, theres some pretty C-list tier heroes in the Argonauts.

Jason himself is near to useless besides his CHARISMA
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>>44653302

Do we have actual stats for him in the nasuverse?

But then, again. C-list isn't the worst you can do, and as long as you can actually work as a team you can gimmick the shit out of your opponents.

Also, hang out with heroic spirit bro/sis would be fucking worth it while it lasted
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>>44653355
No, but we had an entire chapter in GO where he is the main antagonist.

And the only thing he does is boast, ask his buddies from help and be manipulated by said buddies.
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>>44653609

Well let's be honest, Jason has always been kind of an ass.

Now, if someone manages to summon Perseus, then we'll be talking
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>>44653689
Perseus is good because he has tons of Noble Phantasms but from what we know he is not near as good as the top greek heroes that we know.

Herc is the absolute strongest greek hero
Achilles second
Chiron is pretty good too
Perseus should be here.
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>>44653765
Chiron wasn't a hero, dude, he was a mentor.

And you missed:
Theseus, slayer of the Minotaur
Diomedes, The Bane of Olympus
Castor and Pollux, Archer Supreme
Ajax, The Greatest Soldier
Odysseus, The Most Clever Man in the World


Jason would make a good Ruler, since his schtick was the best CREW of warriors.

Castor and Pollux, the Bishounen Twins
Hercules
Theseus
Orpheus
Bellerophon, rider of Pegasus
Atalanta the Swift.

Also, shit, we're in Autosage. Should we start a new thread, or wait for Poefag to do so?
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>>44653991
When i said heroes i mean the servants we know so far.

Also Ruler is not what you think it is
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>>44653991

Guess we should wait. Poefag will return when he does, let's hope he remembers us.

Also, man. I'm still mad that my greek mythology books as a kid missed so many stories.
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>>44653991
>>44654137
Also you could always make a "Create-a-Servant" thread
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>>44654137
Huh, didn't know they'd made a Chiron servant.

And I see what you mean on the Ruler-class. That's a weird name for it. Though, technically, it would be interesting to see Jason as a Ruler class, since it would make sense that the Holy Grail's defense mechanism employs producing additional Heroic Spirits. That would probably be Jason's Noble Phantasm: he produces Argonauts.
Heck, the fact that Rulers gain Command Spells could easily lead to a press-gang situation.
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