>>44608676 When the Imerpium was literally torn in half during the Heresy, Row Boat thought that Terra had fallen, and made a 'Back Up' Imperium, and using an alien device known as a Pharos to act as a back up Astronomicon, managed rally the scattered Imperial Forces and perpare them for what ever came next. Not wanting to give into hubris, Row Bow named Sanguinius as the head of the Back Up Imperium, and I think Lion the Warmaster. The other Primarchs thought it was treacherous to do this, because having a back up blame it DUM.
>>44608904 this seems fairly reasonably I guess it was people thinking guilliman was going to try and make himself emperor or something I recall that being one of the things that rubbed primarchs the wrong way
>>44608934 >And Horus just wanted for humanity to not fall into millenia of decay amd stagnation By doing the thing that caused and continues to justify exactly that, so you'll understand why I'm not shedding any tears for his broken dreams. The kindest thing that can be said about Horus is that he was was masterfully rused by eldritch horrors. Which also ignores his less noble reasons to listen to them.
The Dark Gods showed him an image of a corpse "ruling" a dying empire, as if it was what would happen if the Emperor's plans were not disrupted. They literally showed him how much he'll fuck things up if he joins them and he was too stupid to understand it properly.
>>44608773 >backup imperium so that humanity doesn't fall into barbarism in case the Emperor has indeed fallen >doesn't even place himself at its head >literally the only logical move >treacherous Absurd. At no point did he want to secede from the Imperium. At no point was Imperium Secundus meant to be an alternative to the Imperium. It was a continuation. A plan B.
>>44608934 Difference being that Horus wanted to be an alternative imperium, and attacked the current imperium, while Guilliman made a plan B in case the first one fell. He didn't want to replace the emperor. He didn't want to kill the emperor. He wanted to continue his work, not destroy it.
It's not even worth debating, unless you can claim that Guilliman would actively fight against the established imperium, un-fallen imperium.
The fact that the HH series has shown Roboute Guilliman making the Wrong Choice (debatable in-universe but unquestionable to the audience, knowing the outcome), but doing it for the "right" reasons and not just to be a doofy supervillain, kind of redeems everything about his character.
He's a bit similar to Magnus the Red, being a visionary guy but fucking up in a way that has both short and long-term consequences, only wasn't as colossally boneheaded and naive going into it (and therefore not as royally fucked personally.) Nice contrast.
Also, the entire Ultramar storyline has been one of the most fun to read, out of the whole HH series, so that helps.
>>44608578 Dude how desperate for attention are you? And are you on /tg/ like 16 hours a day? Just know that every non retard on this board knows you are a fucking dipshit loser. Evaluate your life bro.
>>44608773 I this new fluff? Because I'd only really heard about this in the past week or so. I don't really pay much attention to 30k Ultras lore so I suppose I could have just missed it all this time.
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