What is the /tg/ equivalent to this?

>>44576804
All I know is lvl 6 is fatal and lvl 0 is D&D 4e which I enjoy

>>44576853
4e isn't mainstream enough anymore to be level 0.
Maybe it was before 5e came out, but now "D&D" is 3.PF or 5e

The point is level 0 is stuff that the common casual would start with. And since 4e has a (no matter if you think it is deserved or not) bad reputation among the D&D crowd, and is no longer being pushed by wizards.

If someone just wants to see what these "are pee gees" things are all about and goes to the store and buys "D&D" they aren't buying 4e.

>>44576804
I'd pitch an idea of some of the tiers, but I really don't know/play that many /tg/ games besides the more common/popular stuff like WH40K and D&D

If I had to try but not get a complete list it might look something like this

Tier 0: Chutes and ladders, Monopoly, other less engaging household known board games, AoS, D&D 4e, Munchkin

Tier 1: WH40K, WHFB, D&D 5e, D&D 3.5, Shadowrun

Tier 2: D&D 2e, Call of Cthulhu

Tier 3: Older editions of WH40K and WHFB, more traditional wargames

Tier 4: Chainmail, Original D&D

Tier 5: ???

Tier 6: FATAL

>>44577176
I always love how creep these games get so I have to ask what is FATAL?

I'm really curious.

>>44577216

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL

My favorite /tg/ type game is AD&D 2e with most of the optional rules out. It really plays a shit load like OD&D. I would say any OSR clone is on the same tier, whatever that may be.

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>>44577246
I think that's enough internet for tonight.

>>44576804
>dwarf fortress (no graphics)
who would do this other than to feel superior to "normies"

>>44576804
Where's Binding of Isaac, FTL, and XCOM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_role-playing_games_by_name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_board_games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Card_games

Get started, OP.

>>44576804
Oh hey, I used to play HellMOO. Great.

>>44577176
This is from a gamer perspective, I would bump AoS and Dnd down a level, and replace them with stuff like Clue and CAH

>>44576804
Where do you put CoC and TiTS on that chart?

>>44577422
What it be?

>>44577475
A post-apocalyptic MUD(Multi-User Dungeon). It's a lot of fun if you can get past the fact that the whole userbase acts like their from 4chan and reddit's bastard child, and sex is a fairly predominant in the game, though you can avoid it almost completely if you want to.

>>44576804
I play level 1, 3 and 4 games. And why the fuck os Kerbal on tge same level as DCS?! Both are easy as fuck!

>>44577572
Thanks for the tip

>>44577176
I wouldn't put Shadowrun on the same tier of normie-ness as either D&D edition you listed, honestly. CP2020 for tier 3 regardless.

>>44577469
Probably slightly above FATAL. CoC has the benefit of admitting it's just fucked-up fetish pandering from the get-go and not trying to be serious at all.

>>44576804
Half the shit in level 1 belong in level 0.

>>44577745
And phone/facebook games belong in level-1

>>44577176
I would put WoD at Tier 2, and Live Action WoD at tier 3.

For Tier 5, there's Gang Rape. The game, not the actual activity it's based off of.

>>44577339
People who started that way. I started without graphics back before Z-levels were a thing. They confuse me now.

Where is LotFP?

>>44576804
> I am /v/ level 3, most of the games I played and enjoyed are level 2.

As to the question, I think how likely you'll find a grill in is a good way to paint it. Also, level of difficulty and involvement (especially when collectibles are concerned), although it is related.

Tier 0: Monopoly, Scrabble, Chute and Ladders
Tier 1: DnD 3.0 and up, Pathfinder, New World of Darkness / Chronicles, Most LARPS
Tier 2: Old World of Darkness, DnD 2.0 and below, GURPS
Tier 3: Shadowrun (all), most TCG
Tier 4: Warhammer, Malifaux
Tier 5: ???
Deep dark tier: FATAL

>>44577975
Fuck... didn't see RPG maker... guess I'm level 4. Oh well, at least I was bad at the level 4 thing I did "play".

>>44577302
>that image is more than 4 years old

Fuck, where did the time go.

>>44577598
Because the chart is not a game difficulty chart?

>tfw play roguelikes all the time
Who /level4/ here

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>>44576804
Level 5 here. Played games from every category, but I did not need to be reminded of some of them. No thanks to you, sir.

>>44577216
If you have to ask
You don't have enough anal circumference to handle it.

>>44576804
>nexialist is level 5
Oh hey I used to hang out with that guy

Board games would be tier 0, anything below 5 would be /tg/ shit of varying complexity and tier 5 would be FATAL, Necrohonica, etc.

>>44577339
I started playing without a pack so everything just makes sense to me. I'll switch when I find a pack I like.

>>44577792
>For Tier 5, there's Gang Rape. The game, not the actual activity it's based off of.

swedes....

LARP is the actual final bottom.

>>44578460

Not just LARP, but LARPing FATAL.

>>44578473
I believe we call that "Fantasy Foreplay" or "an orgy".

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>>44576804
uhm, charts exist.

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>>44578699
and another...

never made my own....perhaps i should

>>44578699
>Catan
>Deepest level
Are you fucking kidding? Catan is the go-to game for every wannabe faux-gamer hipster.

>>44578699
This chart is fucking awful.

>>44578699
>VeloCITY in level 3
>VeloCITY being mentioned at all
I'm not quite sure how to take this.

>>44578699

Bad chart is bad.
>no GURPS
>Catan in lowest level

That said, I only played Kill Puppies for Satan one time.

>>44578804
>>44578832
I'm sure that chart is talking about that one particular Catan session, not the game itself.

>>44578744

According to this chart, I am Neckbear Awakened.

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>>44578864
>that one particular Catan session

Elaborate please. Have a bawdy elf as an inducement.

>>44576804
wait wait what

there are people who have not played half life

>>44578886
Do you Catan?

>>44576804
>lol tier 0
>mobas tier 1
what

>>44577780
indeed

>>44578906

No, but it sounds like a decent story.

>>44578161
I kind of erratically float around from level 0 to the very bottom.

>>44578904
No, that chart is just shit and trying to make the ultracasuals of /v/ feel better about themselves.

>>44578886
The proportions of that elf's arm bother me. It's too short.

>>44578830
Anally.

>>44578945
I don't have it but it was a story of a guy named Plouton who thought he was a vampire, was the consummate of all fedora wearing weirdos, and abused his weird sex slave submissive partner at game night
He asked the MC "do you Catan?"

>>44578832
GURPS is in the bottom of level 3, right next to the picture of That Weird Guy, in yellow.

It's still a garbage list though, I agree.

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>>44578886
Do you catan

>>44578906
>>44578945
Super-short version: anon gets suckered into hanging out with a weirdo goth and his super-submissive girlfriend (leads her around with a collar and chain). They play Settlers of Catan and use the girl as a table.

>>44578904

Um, bro. I have not played Half Life, or Half Life 2. In fact, lemme just do a list of games I haven't played.

>Hitman
>Call of Duty
>the entire Elder Scrolls series
League of Legends or any other MOBA
>Fire Emblem series
>Fallout series
>new Batman PC games (Arkham Asylum onward)
>Dragon Age series
>Mass Effect series
>KOTOR series
Tomb Raider series
>tons more I am just drawing a blank on

Also, I like video games. I just never get around to playing them.

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>>44576804
>MFW I am level 4

>>44578699
oh hey, I've barely made it into 3-
oh
no
I'll see you guys in the pits of hell, then, since that's where the ERP threads are going to take me anyway

>>44578744
My neckbeard has fully awakened, believe me. I never actually finalized any of my self-invented homebrews, but I could have totally had a somewhat Strike-Witches based minis game complete with plane designations/research/engineering, weapon loadouts, a modular magic system, crash rules, variable heights... actually, the height bit was the issue, since minis would have to float. I did do a (shitty) test of the combat over Roll20 once, so I count it as "played".

>>44578997

Oh hey, a lot of people are into the human furniture thing.

>>44576804

Does Rapelay count as a rape simulator? I mean, you just continuously rape a woman and her daughters until they become your willing sex slaves.

If so, I guess I am level 5.

>>44578161
/level4/ here, love text adventure games

>look at mirror
you see an ugly person staring back at you

>>44579064
I fucking love dungeon crawl holy shit. I have 15 runed like 5 times

>>44578699
Fuck, weird ass chart. I'd be like level two if I hadn't played Dungeons the Dragon in that one time.

>>44579091
agreed, i didn't say they were good.

also, you go with your highest depth level. if you played DnD but also a campaign of EiJ, there ya go.

all I know is Phoenix Command should be WAY down

>>44579008
well sure of course there are people who havent played i was exagerating but i still think it should be tier 0 its a fucking clasic

>>44579064
Any particularly good ones that you'd recommend?

>>44578994

What. The actual. Fuck?

I know there are people like that out there, both him and her, but fuck me if I understand them.

>>44579207
new

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>>44576804
im more than 4. fucking shit those graphs keep reminding me how fucked my shit is, I will never have a relationship

>>44579229

Wut?

>>44576804
I think we could only get a consensus on what belongs in tiers 0, 1, and 5. Everything in-between is highly dependent on what's hot in the local gaming culture.

Obviously level 0 is for toy aisle bullshit, checkers, and chess (in casul-modo knowing only the basic rules and absolutely no strategy).

Everyone knows 40gay, Magic, and caster edition belong in level 1.

Level 5 would be magical realm and stuff pretty much only /tg/ even knows about.

>>44577572
its worth noting that as prevalient as sex is they spend a lot of time complaining about people that have sex to

although honestly they mostly just do that with people that do it constantly.

>>44576804

Talislanta is level 5 or 6

I'd separate NWOD splats, Mage would be deep because of the interplay of spells, Changeling would be deep because of the themes of rape and violation.

>>44578699
TIME WIZARDS

>>44576804
>Dungeon crawl is level 4
Holy shit what a fuckin' scrub.
Roguelikes are easy as shit.

>>44579697
You're the second retard who thinks it's a difficulty chart.

Protip: It's not.

>>44579731
I suppose I didn't word that correctly.

Cataclysm DDA, and all the other roguelikes are way easier to grok and plen than DF.

>>44576804
lets see i sneak into the deep level with hellmoo
i play dwarf fortess sometimes with and sometimes without graphics but seperating them onto 2 difrent levels is retarded
only time that can ever really apply is for nethack because fuck non graphical nethack no other roguelike looks that horrible in asci.

i think i have played a few amiga games and quite a lot of text adventures
although i wouldent have thought text adventures belong that low
and not really worth mentioning what i have played above that but how the fuck is monster hunter not level 1
or total war for that matter

>>44579340
pretty much .
i imagine when /v/ makes these charts they have much the same problem /tg/ would look like a fucking battlefield trying to work out 2-4

>>44579782
>text adventures

Like CoC?

Whats the level of that anyway?

>>44579817
cocs not what it means by text adventures to qualify as a text adventure you have to imput text comands

im not sure what games like CoC would be clasified as

coc would be level 3 or maybe 4 though.

>>44579817
>>44579832
Browser games? Level 0, even if they are shitty porn games.

>>44579832
Ahh I know what you mean
Allright, Idk if it is popular or not, but flexibe survival is one

>>44577176
This seems like the best start out of anything else here. How are you ranking them? General awareness, complexity or some combination?

Either way I'd put Delta Green on Tier 3 since I've run into a lot of people that are into Call of Cthulhu but have never heard of Delta Green. Unknown Armies would probably be Tier 4 or 5 just for how weird it is. Stuff like Everyone is John, Car Lesbians, RaHoWa and the other games that mostly spread by word of mouth and pdf shares would be Tier 3-5.

>>44579856
Actually, ESPECIALLY if they're shitty porn games.

Every one of these charts: things the creator doesn't like are at the top, things he likes are in the middle, and things that are obscure or universally reviled are at the bottom.

>>44577975

UA would be a solid tier 5

>>44579907
This.

>>44579872
I would not give it a 0 since I would not imagine a normal kid or my usual taxi driver play those

>>44579952
Tier 2 or 3 maybe? Enough that its mention would bet blank stares from people in Tier 0 or 1, an "oh you've heard of it too?" reaction from Tier 2 or 3 people and stifled laughter and "oh that's cute" reactions from Tier 4 and higher.

>>44576804
Why the hell Dwarf Fortress on a lower level then Cataclysm DDA?

>>44579859
ah yes flexible survival.

>>44579952
>>44580031
Please, every horny teenager will have come across it by now looking for browser porn games and shown it to all his little friends at school thinking he's showing off how hardcore and edgy he is.

Stop trying to pretend a shitty browser porn game you like is deep and dark.

>>44580063
speaking of browser porn games i wonder how the sim girls sequel is coming along

i guess a lot of people probably dident even know the first game was still in development.

or that we are still making sex kitten games

>>44576804
Why is Dungeon Crawl so low in that image?

>>44580092
Same reason most of Tier 1 isn't in Tier 0:

The person who made it is a faggot.

>>44580063
Not the anon but what is deep and dark? Is it the fact that it is hidden or edgy? Exemples?

>>44579907
Yeah probably, but ideally:

>Tier 0
Stuff complete outsiders to the hobby have most likely heard of or even played once or twice. Things that get ads on TV.

>Tier 1
Entry level. May not be known to the general public but almost everyone in the hobby has played it at least once. Things openly displayed in stores pertaining to the hobby

>Tier 2
General starting point for subgenres in the hobby. Stuff newcomers might have only heard about. Will almost definitely draw blank stares from outsiders.

>Tier 3
The niches start getting more specific. Region specific or self published material that has gained "popularity" would go here. Hidden gems found either online or tucked away in "the cool stores"

>Tier 4
Full blown weird guy either do to obscurity or difficulty to handle. Things virtually inaccessible to people who won't take time to understand it. Low tier people within the hobby likely won't find out about it unless introduced to it by someone else and even then there is no guarantee they will enjoy it

>Tier 5, above
Things that meet increasingly specific tastes to the point that they could comprise an entirely separate hobby. Things found when met with an increasing dissatisfaction with what can be found in lower tiers. People in Tier 5+ likely find things in Tier 4 to be nostalgic indulgence and probably can't be bothered with what the lower tiers have to offer.

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>>44578744
Fuck i'm neckbeard awakened, bordering on i have no mouth.

>>44576804
Satan level ... i need to get out more

>>44580063
Then tier 1 at least. Tier 0 is shit you parents know about.

>>44580332
sounds about right

>>44577613
>normie-ness
I want /r9k/ to leave

>>44578994
senpai
why

Where does the Dawn of War Quadrology by C.S. Goto belong?

>>44579201
anything by infocom really (zork trilogy, hhgttg, planetfall), also check out ADVENTURE, the first text adventure game.

>>44578804
>There are still people on /tg/ who don't Catan

What level is winning The Game?

Hmmm. Well, I'll give my look at it.

Tier 1: Casual old timey board games families play on a rainy day.

Tier 2: Popular tabletop games like D&D 5e/4e/3.5/Pathfinder. Also stuff like Dominions, Settlers of Catan, etc.

Tier 3: More slightly more obscure and/or older games like CoC, Delta Green, Cyberpunk, 2e/AD&D and so on. Additionally Larping really should fall at this level. It takes a bit more involvement than a more casual tier 2 game. Tabletop 40k should be here as well - not because it's hard or obscure, but because it requires a bit more of a time/money investment. DMing a tier 2 game would also fit here. Dwarf Fortress and Alpha Centauri can go here too. Some older board games like Nightmare could fit at this level depending on how hard they are to get.

Tier 4: Fairly obscure or difficult to play games with complex math. There was an old mech game I played a few times that required you to know and do some trigonometry, for instance. People assembling their own terrain for gaming tables and similar stuff should also be here. Very old games like the original 1st edition D&D or Chainmail would also go here. It's expert tier.

Tier 5: FATAL is a given, but there are probably other things that fit in the same tier. This would also be the level where you've got people putting together fully functional powersuits to do 40k cosplay, making real and functional replicas of fantasy or 40k weapons, etc. I think running an actual gaming store should fit here as well.

>>44580406
i auctualy hated zork

but i am mostly alone in thinking that so yeah i still recommend it .

>>44576804
Why is starsector so far down the list?

>>44577339
>who would do this other than to feel superior to "normies"

Why the fuck wouldn´t you? tile packs look like shit.

>>44580538
Oh yeah, and Tier 4 should also include actively playing games that are "discards" knowingly. Like the d20 Call of Cthulhu splatbook. Nobody liked it, nobody wanted it, but it was made anyway. Knowing that and still playing it just because would have to be tier 4 behavior.

>>44578744
>literally one of the 10 faggots thats played Wraeththu
>my neck is now gone, i am beard, devourer of souls

>>44580561
i think anon meant why would you put them on separate tiers

>>44580063
It fits in tier 3, because what you just said goes for all the shit there too. None of it is "deep" or "dark". The only level even sort of like that is level 5.

The deep dark tier should have stuff like Normality, Violence, Noumnon, and that one game about gang rape I forget the name of.

>>44582688
Isn't that literally what it's called? "Gang Rape"?

>>44582718
Yes, it's been mentioned at least twice so far in this thread.

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I don't think OPic is accurate. I'm casual as fuck in terms of video games, and I've still played Fallout 1/2, Quake, and X-Com. I wouldn't even be surprised if I played some of the /vr/ cult classics, I'm just not sure which those are.

>>44582839
Yes, we've already established twice over that the pic is retarded.

>>44578699

I'm surprised Eclipse Phase is rated at "hardcore" here, it is a pretty bog-standard mainstream sci-fi RPG.

>>44582900
>>44582839
I think it would be more accurate to say that it only applies to current gaming. Current being whenever that pic was made.

So something that was mainstream 20 years ago would probably be pretty fucking deep today.

>>44577176
>>44577975
Last one should be Time Wizards
Yes,below FATAL

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>>44577246
>>44577302

>The intro says you only need to know a little algebra, "and even that is relatively rare."
>And you need more that "a little algebra" because you solve quadratic formulas to find out whether or not your rape slave is pregnant. Then you roll d10,000,000 to find out if she's going to have quintuplets.

>>44578744
>>44578699
>>44576804
Holy shit, I made it to the bottom in all these... Did not see that coming, always thought I was a average dude. No wonder I don't have any friends...

>>44578699
>WoD: Anything else
Guess I'm that weird g-
>Catan
Whelp

>>44576804
We don't have one because we're not awful like /tv/ or /v/.

>>44578824
Typical /v/irgins. Using black font on dark blue and black backgrounds.

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>>44576804
> Category Reserved

It's for Aurora, isn't it?

>>44583443

Aurora, as in the Aurora toolset for NWN1?

>>44583443
Aurora is in Lvl 4

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>no Nechronica in any list
Is it too far down?

>>44583560
Aurora as in the pic he posted....

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This version is better desu

>>44577339
I do, since I started before i knew there were graphics and I'm too used to text now. I find text more easily discernible.

>>44583587
>Nechronica
first time I heard of it

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>>44577246

FATAL is a joke. I don't know if the humor was intentional, but it's the Platonic Ideal of an unplayable mess.

L0 would include Fantasy Football.
Mid tier would be shit like diceless systems and Theatre Sports
Deepest I've found is some furry game with talking octopi where everybody live on the branches of Yggdrasil. Sure there's weirder shit than that out there.

Pic related is probably somewhere around 4-4.5

>>44578699
>HYBRID

No.

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>>44583663
It's about playing little zombie girls who are falling to bits and going insane in a dead world.
Combat is swingy and you can expect to get limbs severed and body parts hewn every fight. It ends up a very gory mess of the winners breaking apart and putting themselves back together with the pieces of the losers.

>>44583735

Well, I went and read about this a bit. Holy shit, this game is weird.

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>>44583735
sold!

>>44578744
It appears I'm a true neckbeard.

Shouldn't have tried out Anima Beyond Fantasy...

>>44576804
>kerbal space probram and spacestation 3 being lower than fucking MOBAs or ftl
>dwarf fortress on level 3 and not on level infinity
>rpg maker not on level 2
>second life not on level 3
who made this, reddit?

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>>44583611
>flight simulation T4
>with Microsoft - Flight
>the most casual flying game ever
apart from that i'd say accurate

Sims is really a lot less casual than one would assume
a huge part of the community is into modding and to get some of the shit there to work you have to use programs also written by fans to decompile packages and edit individual values there
>pic related
go on tell me this is casual

>>44576804
Nothing. Because it's all opinion based nonsense.

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I-i might have made some OC anons

>>44583735
But there are traps there too...

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>>44585318
Boy dolls are technically a mutation, but the necromancer makes what the necromancer wants. The setting presumes female characters, though.

>>44585359
Well, still have nothing against this.

>>44585252
Doing gods work anon

Also I am the only one who wants a "futa inc" shirt now? I mean that fat fuck looks so happy with himself it must be the shirt.

>>44585359
Aside from that it isn't that bad is it?
Just a little bit Japanese and edgy?

>>44578699
>erp
>deep
lol
it's basically freeform rp
>no traveller in "weird guy" or "jaded outcast" category
>dungeons and dragons
>casual

i see you have shit taste bruh

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>>44585411
It's really gory. Dolls will break apart regularly and have to rebuild themselves with whatever they can find. Whether that's edgy or not is up to the players.
It can be bizarrely innocent, even.

>>44576804
>Kerbal, Lvl 3

Fuck you that game's awesome.

>>44585252
>traditionalroleplaying.onion
This exist? Are they discussing how to rape children during RPG sessions?

>>44577176
Damn, it's great to be a tier 4 grognard

>>44585498
Something like that exists IIRC (basically doing FATAL whilst playing FATAL), but I don't assume that's the .onion link

>>44577176
Where does RaHoWa fit on this?

>>44576804
Wow, You know what that image needs? To switch to white text around level 3.

>>44578744
graced by to neckbeard awakened by one game each except for stubblechin

>D:tD is always bottom level
how bizzarre

>>44578744
True Neckbeard Here: with my "Obscure Games" shelf to add to the chart.

>Casual Level
Gamma World 7th edition

>Stubblechin Level
Mongoose Traveler
All Flesh Must Be Eaten

>True Neckbeard Level:
Classic Traveler
Atomic Highway
Feng Shui
Mouseguard
Godlike / Wild Talents
Gamma World 6th edition or prior.

>>44585252
>/tg/
>lower than larping
nigga you what.
/tg/ is so casual it might be more casual than wil wheatons show.

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>not a single mention of In Nomine

I'm just gonna assume my tier is the one found swept under the couch 17 years ago

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>>44585252

>Futa inc.

>>44576804
yeeeah, these charts are always stupid.

>>44585252
Wait so is Catan playing Settlers of Catan while "Catan" is Settlers of Catan, but using a goth chick as a table?

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>>44576804
>Uplink and DEFCON mentioned

>>44585252
Literally everyone currently able to see this chart is on level 4 by definition. I feel like it could use some changes in that regard.

>>44586077
being on /tg/ definitely makes you a neckbeard, or a VERY deep diving nerd.

There might be some level 2 people on /tg/, but they'll be yiffing in quest threads so I don't really consider them fa/tg/uys

>>44586077
the zero-point for any scale of temperature is well below room temperature.
It's more of general categorization than indexing /tg/ people specifically.

>>44586022
>"Catan" is Settlers of Catan, but using a goth chick as a table?
yes.

>>44586095
I dunno man, the deepest I've gone game-wise is D&D 5e, and the others I'm interested in are mainly level 3 as well (Dark Heresy, Call of Cthulhu).

Also, why is 40k level 4?

>>44586159
>Fighting with figurines of those dedicated to a god(dess) of BDSM which took hours to properly paint

Jesus it should be tier 5

>>44576804
>Lostboy

Wasn't that the backdoor RAT virus that somebody programmed into a game under the guise of being a SCP inspired horror game?

Anyone? I remember there was like a week long shitstorm because the retards who ran the .exe had their pics taken unknowingly with their own webcams and posted on the site.

Also
>Artificial Academy
>Rape simulators

Kill yourselves. Fucking hate edgelord /v/edditors

>>44576804
Why exactly is The Last Remnant level 4? Sure, it's hard but a Square Enix RPG is hardly the most obscure thing in existence.

>>44586159
I assume it's because to play 40k you have to be willing to buy models, assemble the models, paint the models, read a shitton of rules about your models and OTHER peoples models, and play war with other faggots who have models.

All this while putting up with GW's bullshit. 40k is a truly abusive relationship.

>>44586177
...Okay, when you put it that way it makes a bit more sense. Also the sheer amount of money that goes into it from what I've seen. The cost is one of the biggest roadblocks for me trying 40k, especially since the army I like best (IG) is crazy expensive.

>>44586189
>not liking rape simulators

YOU sound like reddit to me buddy

>>44585252

Would it kill you fuckers to learn how to into fonts

Seriously this shit makes my eyes bleed

>>44577176
>mfw my first RPG was AD&D 1e
Feels good man

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>>44586289
>Raised hard on GURPS from a young age with a friend and afterschool program, tried D&D once and hated it but still dug the idea of Paladins after lots of FF4, played a half dozen weird minor systems in the intervening years

I had the most deformed and weird RPG childhood, I can barley relate to /tg/ as it is

>>44586256
Been here since 2007

Never been to Reddit

>>44586201
because the amount of effort required to play that game is immense, the game itself much like dwarf fortress has little to no intuitiveness, and things youd think to normally do in a RPG like game are wrong and bad, there are numerous break points where you can miss huge amounts of side quests and you are given NO warning or indication about this. Essentially if you want to beat that game in 1-2 play throughs you will spend the first 4 hours reading up on the wiki/guides before you do anything in order to avoid totally fucking yourself over. Thats why

>>44586401
What are your religious and philosophical beliefs? Values?

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>>44586447
Are you talking about the original xbox version? Because I've played and beaten the PC version and never encountered some of these problems. Game gives a warning when you're going to disk2, and while it does have a lot of mechanics that really are not well explained it's not as dire as you say. I went in blind and did alright, though I did eventually check over a wiki for sidequest purposes and to better understand some of the mechanics.

Granted pic related was bullshit and is where I stopped going for sidequest completion.

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>>44586460
Well. Uh. I don't really have any religious beliefs besides feeling it should be a personal inward-looking discipline. I just feel like it's pretty obvious we're chemical meat sacks in a lonely galaxy. Though I don't buy nihilism, I feel it puts the onus of purpose on us together, and we should just really be more sweet and less hostile to one another, because I'd love to see our collective story have a happy end. We're so much better than this. I guess that sums the question up without getting too chatty. Why?

>>44584081
Ty for pic. Saving to help guide me as I flesh out my campaign world

>>44577176
Tier 0: Monopoly, Cards against Humanity, Love Letter, Munchkin
Tier 1: Current Edition DnD, Age of Sigmar, non-mainstream but readily available boardgames/deckbuilding Games, e.g. Netrunner and Catan
Tier 1: WH40k, Warmahordes, Previous Edition DnD, nWoD
Tier 2: Exalted, Shadowrun, WHFB, Infinity
Tier 3: Call of Cthulhu, Bolt Action, Dropship/fleet Commander
Tier 4: MAID RPG, /tg/ Homebrew systems, Kingdom Death
Tier 5: Fatal
Tier 6: Time Wizards

>>44586564
I dunno, your post made you sound like somebody interesting and I wasn't dissapointed with your thoughtful response

I sincerely thank you for sharing

>>44585252
>no TIME-WIZARDS

>>44586435
Don't lie

I've been here since 2001 and I can spot a redditfag from a mile away

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>>44586753
Well, thank you for the nice words.

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>>44586830
>2001

>>44583611

>Danmaku being elder tier

Bitch please

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>>44586830
>Been on SA since 2002
>Have seen this
>Have seen it all

There is nothing new under the sun.

>>44586939
Faggot u mad that pre-m00t let me into alpha test? Before m00t even knew about it. They offered me position of m00t but I was too busy smashing pussies and being rank 1 on COD

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>>44586717
>>44586773
>Time Wizards
>Not LOS MAGOS DEL TIEMPO

Why are there so many obscure MMOs in the last two tabs? I mean isn't that kind of user-built world the thing that Minecraft is? I dont play Minecraft so I dont know how it is but a lot of this sounds like pretentious hipster faggotry on /v/'s part.

Second question: Are text adventures/roguelikes really that fun? I prefer the numerical/crunchy/framework side of RPGs vastly to the fluffy wuffy stuffy. Will I get anything out of these types of games?

>>44586555
It can be, i played about halfway through myself, then started reading a some wiki stuff to find out where to get various items, and realized i may have screwed myself by grinding incorrectly and became to paralyzed to try and finish the game, then lost my save, so my experience was as dire as I mentioned, perhaps you are just better or luckier than I, but that game has far more unexplained horsecrap in it than just about any other JRPG ive seen, and seems to require almost MMO levels of investment to full complete it. Not difficult, but not by any stretch a casual game.

>>44587045
I think you'll like Dorf Fort son.

>>44586999
That's impossible because I was Rank 1. I was the champion of the map "Steel" before it got renamed to "Rust"

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>>44576804
>Level 4

>>44585252
The Pokemon TCG is actually hella complex and not that many people play it. I'd actually say that earns it a spot in at the very least level 2.

>>44587107
Read level 3. A lot of normie children collect pokémon cards just for the collecting. At least my whole class used to

>>44586980
I am the 2007 newfag. I actually have always hated anime and the undercurrent of radical "free speech" edgy mentality here. Literally since day one.

However, despite having nothing but contempt for this place, I realized that it is one of the few places where I can abandon my own ego and so can everyone else. SA, as you know, had a huge fucking problem with "e-celeb" shit and everyone wanking to popular personalities.

Save for faga like Lanced Jack, Manly Tears, or Quentin you dont get that here. No artifical filter, everything here has a sort of passionate "honesty" to it even if whats being said is fundamentally retarded. Even the infinite cuckold trollposts on /tv/ betray a kind of genuine sincerity.

I just really like the anonymity I guess. I also really enjoy using Yik Yak as well and hate social media sites and forums. The phoniness feels absent (or at least you feel that way).

Thanks for reading my diary entry :/\)

>>44587133
Oh shit, it's definitely below MTG for sure though.

>>44578699
>>44578744
>mfw playing mutant chronicles on a weekly basis
I CAN'T EVEN FIND MYSELF IN THIS CHART WHERE AM I

>>44587302
What edition?

>>44577339
never played with any mods, just pure good DF goodness. Why wouldn't you?

>>44587340
2nd, our gm even has the manual on paper, god knows when did he buy it since we're living in Poland
but Doomtrooper was and to some extent is quite popular on conventions

>>44587523
where* did he buy it

>>44587302
>I didn't even post mfw
>mfw no face

>>44587523
What do you guys think of 3e?

>>44576804
Anyone who doesn't play NetHack or Angband isn't a true Level 4.

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>>44587523
Poland, of course

You always gotta stand out and be weird, dont'cha

>>44587697
Never touched Angband, did try Cthangband, but it sucked. Beat ADOM too.

>>44587702
I wonder how would a not!Poland fare in D&D.

I bet the people would be quite badass.

>>44587928
That's already a thing.

But it's literal Poland. Just, ploof, plopped right the fuck in with the elves and orcs. No explanation. Just, there's Poland.

>>44588034
For real?

I need to check it.

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>>44588034

KURWAAA

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>>44587633
well I didn't get to play it and probably won't get to in some time, but I'm pretty curious to see what did they do to this rpg
but we're fine with second edition, with some home rules of course

>>44587702
well the Doomtrooper (card game set in Mutant Chronicles universe) was quite popular here, maybe more so than magic, so that's probably the reason

but aside from that people generally play what the rest of the world's playing
there's always warhammer fantasy vs dnd (the former is more popular here), shadowrun, cthulhu, vampire, dark heresy, pathfinder, legend of five rings, and Polish systems like neuroshima, monastyr or Wolsung (this one got translated and released outside of the country so you guys may've heard of it, if not you can google it)

>>44587928
don't know, never used not!Poland in my settings, but I did not!Scandinavia, not!France, genericfantasycountry, Mongolian orcs and Arabian elves once

there's an rpg, Dzikie Pola, it's a historical fantasy game set in XVI-XVIII century Polish-Lithuan Commonwealth, never played it but I heard it's cool, check it out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzikie_Pola_(role-playing_game)

>>44588266
>Dzikie Pola

SWEEEET.

You should also try a not!Poland in your setting. Mainly for doing some hardcore stuff. Poles were known to serve among everyone (no matter if they wanted or not or liked it or not), and fought nearly everywhere. So a not!Polish old soldier that saw 2/3rd of the world and who slew a shitload of creatures and soldiers would be pretty interesting.

>>44588353
sounds nice, I'll think about it

>>44585907
Go away Aurora

>>44587045
>text adventures
Not for me.
>roguelikes
Hell yeah. Play Brogue or DoomRL, those are both easy to pick up.

>>44588490
Yep. Expect some intense war-stories.

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>>44588502
no

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>>44577302
Please, be pretending to be retarded...

>>44582688

Normality is a deeper tier than any of this shit, really. On the standard iceberg chart, it's either the seafloor or the upper mantle.

>>44588625
Wow you're a hot memester fuck off

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>>44588692
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY TO ME YOU FUCKING NORMIE I'LL LET YOU KNOW I GRADUATED GRENOUILE REEEEEEEEEEEEE ACADEMY WITH 4895738475893 CONFIRMED REEEEEEEEEEEEEES AND IM A MASTER OF SHITPOSTING WARFARE JUST AS I TYPE AN ARMY OF ROBOTS IS COMING TO REEEEEEEEEEEE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU WITH PRECISION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES THE LIKES OF WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO NORMIEKIND YOURE FUCKING DEAD NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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>>44576804

So, how do those charts work? Are you on the lowest level that has anything that applies to you? Maybe it has to be two or three things? Maybe you'd have to had played all of them in order to apply?

>>44580332

This post should've gotten more attention because it's really the standard by which these pictures should be made.

For example,

>Tier 0
"D&D" (usually 3.5e, but more so to indicate that the various games are perceived as a singular grouping)

>Tier 1
Pathfinder, D&D 5e, Savage Worlds

>Tier 2
GURPS, Shadowrun, Mutants and Masterminds, ORE, Legend of the Five Rings, FATE

>Tier 3
Burning Wheel, Dogs in the Vineyard, * World games, Mouseguard, Traveller

>Tier 4
Adaptus Evangelion, In Nomine, Magical Burst, Wushu, Legends of the Wulin, Tenra Banshou Zero and other translated Japanese P&P games, Silhouette Core, VeloCITY

>Tier 5+
Touhou Flowers RPG, untranslated Japanese P&P games, Hikikomori

Basically, the deeper you go, the more niche it is. Tier 5 and above should be reserved for the really weird shit you wouldn't even know about if not due to the occasional mention of it on /tg/.

>>44579562

>several replies later

I heard you, Anon.

Here alone in these depths...

I have heard you...

And there are still no elves...

>>44584960
Its mods. Mods can make anything non-casual. The base sims game is casual as fuck, even normie-like

>>44588983
What level is GMing/playing a system you designed yourself? 5?

>>44578994

That feel when you will never get a super submissive chick with giant tits as a prize for winning a game of catan.

why even live?

>>44591316
4, probably.

also, I'd add Twilight:2000 as a level 4, along with Morrow Project.
I'd put FGU's merc down in 4 or maybe even 5

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>~250 posts in
>actual discussion
>has yet to be derailed by the fetish version of the iceburg chart

I'm impressed.

So where does Human Occupied Landfill fall into this?

>>44588983
>>44580332
>played Legends of the Wulin, Nechronica and Monsterhearts as my first three RPGs
I'm fucked, aren't I?

>>44592024
Well this is /tg/ not /v/, so there's that.

>>44592727
>Multiple 100+ response threads with the OP being a ero picture and a WUD U FUG??? sentence

I love /tg/ but lets not pretend that the majority of this board isn't shit

>>44576804
Drowned God
>Around the time of the game's release, Horse stated that its story was incomplete, and that the rest of the story would be revealed in a sequel called CULT,[2] planned to center around Area 51.[11] However, he killed himself a decade after the game's release,[16] and no sequel was ever completed.

SUSPICIOUS

>>44591316

Depends entirely on how complex it is.

>Tier 1
d20+modifier-tier complexity. "Roll a die, add a modifier, I decide what happens." Less "skills" or "stats" than fingers on your hand. Comparable to a drinking game.

>Tier 2
Risus-tier complexity. More skills or stats than fingers on your hands, but they more or less amount to making shit up and adding it to a dice roll. At least one or two ways of introducing minor levels of complexity to an otherwise roll-off based system.

>Tier 3
* World tier complexity. At the least, you had to carefully consider the wording on your "abilities/moves/whatever," and designed classes to emulate some sort of archetypical character.

>Tier 4
Homebrew heavily modified from an existing system. Adaptus Evangelion v2.0. "That homebrew you made for D&D 3.5e so you could use it for a setting other than high fantasy."

>Tier 5
Homebrew designed entirely on your own with complexity great enough to rival many mainstream systems. Adaptus Evangelion v3.0, Dungeons the Dragoning, Battle Century G

Yes, designing your system by definition places you at a minimum of Tier 1.

>>44583611
>polybius

ins't that game a myth?

>>44585252
this is a very ...lenient chart.

and, likely made by a level 2. see FATAL is higher inside it's realm than KPfS

i am gonna make a modifiable tif, so it can be future updated. i forgot if /tg/ supports tiff's in Shoppable form....

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>>44586717
sorry, saw this late, and i gotta....fix...

Tier 0: Monopoly, Cards against Humanity, Love Letter, Munchkin
Tier 1: Most DnD, Age of Sigmar, KIngs of War, non-mainstream but readily available boardgames/deckbuilding Games, e.g. Netrunner and Catan
Tier 1: WH40k, Warmahordes, ADnD, nWoD, Bolt Action
Tier 2: Exalted, Shadowrun, WHFB, Infinity, Flames of War, Most cWoD
Tier 3: Call of Cthulhu, Dropship/fleet Commander, Mage: the Ascension (done right)
Tier 4: MAID RPG, /tg/ Homebrew systems, Kingdom Death,
Tier 5: Fatal, Napoleonics, Time Wizards, fairy meat
Tier 6: ***LOCKED***

>>44576804
Bliss Stage is gonna be down in the deeps, slightly above FATAL.

>>44577176
In both cases, I am firmly Level 4 it seems.

Might I suggest for Tier 5: Firefly 6mm, Phoenix Command, Challenger II, and Advanced Laserburn?

>>44592024
Well now you gotta post it.

>>44577246
I actually have the rulebook for it, but on my other computer and it's actually too large to upload here. That should give you an idea of how many rules it has.

>>44596558
Oh, fuck, i've played Fairy Meat.

I am going to work on a wargaming version of this chart but this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as wargaming goes

Tier 0: Guild Ball, X-wing, Attack Wing
Tier 1: Wrath of kings
Tier 1: Current 40k, AoS, Warmachine, Hordes
Tier 2: King of War Frostgrave
Tier 3: Infinity,WHFB
Tier 4: Old 40k
Tier 5:
Tier 6: Heavy Gear Blitz

>>44597683

see >>44596852
>Tier 5: Firefly 6mm, Phoenix Command, Challenger II, and Advanced Laserburn

No fucking joke. 80's war games are the worst.

>>44597683
>Tier 0: Guild Ball, X-wing, Attack Wing
hahahaha, they wish

>no Fairy Meat
are you even trying?

>>44597683
was interested in HGB

why is it level 6?

also, HGB but no BT? WTFWYT!???

>>44578699
>Betty and Veronica meet the Punisher
What?

ok, it seems in this thread motherfuckers can't define Tiers.

just because you heard of a kickstarter doesn't make it X tier...a lot of those KS games are identical in complexity.

juts becasue you like a game doesn't make it tier infinity.

Time Wizards is Tier 4
most KS wargames are a solid 1 or 2

>>44598719
The reason people keep placing Time Wizards at tiers 5+ are because
1. the rules are super complicated
2. conceptually, the game is very, very strange
but the most important reason is
3. any comprehensive attempt at codifying the rules by /tg/ can only be partially successful at best, because the real rules of Los Magos del Tiempos have been lost in time due to the drunkenness of a Mexican anon and his amigos. Only those who can pierce the veil know the secrets of time wizardry.
So, yeah, it's kind of out there. Seriously, who do you know that's actually played the thing?

>>44578744
neckbeard awakened if you count co-building a friends homebrew.

If not, True Neckbeard, due to Fiascoing once.

Also if Victory belongs on here, it'd probably be True Neckbeard levels too, considering the comprehensive, practically accounting-based system it has for building custom powers, so yeah... definitely there.

>>44598950
>>44578744
Yeah, I gotta admit, Fiasco isn't exactly rules-heavy. Why's it so low? Obscurity?

>>44599326
that and the fact that it requires joint storytelling, not just "I am my character and do what's in my character's best interests"

Which is a major problem for many newcomers.

>>44586564
Existentialism

its like nihilism, but instead of just saying "there is no meaning, its all dust in the wind" you say "okay, sure, but you can make some pretty nice stuff with dust. if life isn't going to give me a meaning, I'll make my own."

>>44586401
can GURPS not make a paladin?

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>>44588983
>Tier 3
>Dogs in the Vineyard, * World games

>>44601382

I don't think you get the intent of that list m8. They're by far more popular and well known than t4, but less popular than t2.

>these tier lists are based off of how popular the game is, as opposed to the actual quality of the system itself

It's just hipster circle jerking.

>>44601690

>Tier 1 babby detected

>>44601690
> popularity of board games and quality are separate things and do not contribute to each other

You do know some of the more streamlined games are popular for a reason, right?

>>44601867

Not him but seriously fuck you don't even try to start this argument

These charts are meant for nothing more than to denote how autismally deep into a given subculture you are, or as that other fag so eloquently put it, how big a hipster you are. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS

I REPEAT, DO NOT TRY TO MAKE IT ABOUT QUALITY. THAT IS THE DUMBEST FUCKING ARGUMENT YOU COULD EVER TRY TO START.

>>44579013
Me too man.
>The Last Remnant
What exactly made this level 4 tier?

>>44601405
Maybe Dungeon World in particular should go to tier 2. It's infinitely more popular than any other *World game.

>>44583587
Does it actually have an official translation yet? Would prefer a licensed product vs. A fan project.

>>44585545
Assumed tier 6 since the rules are garbage and the weapons don't have stats.

>>44577176
So...

Why am I at the bottom again? I mean FATAL is pretty famous due to it's infamy.

>>44585767
is a bit odd yeah.

>>44576804

Last Remnant is deeper than DS? Sure. Okay. Cz you can't spam fuck out of black hole and cake Last Remnant at all...

>>44578235
Board games also include shit like Axis and Allies which I'd put at Tier 4 or 5.

>>44579207
That's not even close to being the worst /tg/ story that's been posted here.

>>44580573
>d20 Call of Cthulhu
The system was shit of course, but the chapter explaining methods for effectively running a horror game is one of the best examples of good GM advice I've seen

>>44603037
I've always said the same thing. Tynes did a great job distancing the Mythos from the usual Derleth bullshit in that book too, it's a shame it's all lumped in with Monte Cook's godawful handling of the system.

>>44587133
I play MTG and Pokemon TCG. While MTG is definitely more complex, Pokemon is definitely not just normie kidtrash. I'd say tier 2.

>>44576804
>Marathon is level 4
kek

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>>44577138
Was D&D4E ever a level 0?
My group took a poo on 3.5 and never looked back, so I thought maybe everyone else abandoned their splatfest for a miniature wargame instead.

>>44587205
It's a different sort of phony, IMO, although I don't have the words exactly to describe. I prefer it over the non-anonymity version, which is why I'm here.

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>>44578699
>CATastrophe

That brings me back...

Level 1
Monopoly, Clue, Candyland, Sorry

Level 2
Catan, Munchkin, DND 4/5e, Warhammer 40k

Level 3
Pathfinder, D&D 3.X, Mutants and Masterminds, ShadowRun, Call of Cthulhu, Warhammer Fantasy, GURPS, Battletech

Level 4
Traveller, Paranoia, OSR

Level 5
Bunnies and Burrows, Historical Wargaming (Sans Flames of War), Time Wizards

Abyssal zone
FATAL

>>44602097
Nope. Who the hell would license guro zombie lolis: the bloodfest in america?