>>44567892 The way with the most effect and lowest chance of being caught is when you shuffle your opponent's deck. You rifle shuffle and slightly look at the cards and pass good ones to the bottom. This way, even if cut, they have to go through half their deck for win conditions.
Some guy a while back got caught doing this at a pro tour(?) and got banned.
I don't advise doing this because it can get you banned forever at any store worth its weight.
If I'm playing the usual Three-way game with my group of buddies I usually draw a second card (hiding it when I draw so it looks like I only drew one) because I have the worst luck when it comes to being mana starved. You all do know how much it sucks to have 2 mana at the sixth turn of the game right?
How would I cheat? Step 1: Make two half decks that win super consistently with under half a deck. Step 2: Learn how to perfect riffle shuffle. Step 3: practice a shuffle routine that retains deck order. Step 4: Practice a shuffle routine that swaps the top and bottom halves of my deck while maintaining deck order.
>>44567892 After I shuffle I ALWAYS mulligan. During this time I look at the top 20-30 and put all the mana I need at the front and the rest at the back. Then I shuffle only the back end. It looks like I'm doing a full shuffle when I'm not.
people spend so much time looking at their hands and not paying attention to the other player, I would assume it would be very easy if you were that sort of person. When I started paying attention, I realized many people try drawing extra cards, or dropping extra land, and pass it off as 'a mistake'.
>>44572418 Ive caught people. Every new store their is at least one person, and usually he is part of a group of 3-5 who want to 'b pro' and they all actively cheat. Usually friends with the store owner, and never punished. Its not just magic, every game with prizes on the line has had this. I travel often and have seen it many times.
>>44574161 Im assuming look at the top card of your deck when the other players arent looking. Or if hes like the guy in my group, he doesnt think we are looking when he does it. We just dont care to deal with his cheating. We just want to have fun.
In the confusion of an EDH game, I sometimes tap for mana in ways that are impossible if I'm being mana screwed. Say, if I'm short a source of red for the first eight turns I'll just say something that will get people talking and not announce how I tap.
>>44574490 My friend technically scry cheats, and so do I. But, this is only after we have gone 4+ turns and have either A. Become mana starved (less than 3 mana total) or B. Become creature starved (no creatures in play).
>>44574490 >Looking at the top card of your deck just for shits and giggles is cheating. My entire multiplayer group does this, and openly. Hell, we occasionally ask each other's permission to cheat even after that. >guys, I looked at my next three cards and there's no mana coming. care if I shuffle? >sure, go for it
>>44574578 Thats also a bit different, and in some situations thats fine. If I go 5 turns without drawing a land im going to scry to see if ill get a land or ramp or anything and if not im just going to scoop at that point.
>>44574545 I sometimes do that. The best way to do this is to tap your lands in a weird patter with some on top of each other so it's hard to tell at a glance. Should only do it like once a game or less though, lest people catch on.
>>44574615 120 card deck. Hid half (60) under the table in my lap and switched the halves when my opponent dropped a card on the floor by accident. If they don't I usually cause a distraction by "accidentally" bumping a card off the table on his side or something to that degree.
>>44574685 >1: Do you run an Oloro commander deck? >commander We're off to a good start. >2: Do you run ad nauseam in any of your decks? Don't own any copies, no. >3: Is your favorite color blue? Green and blue, and honorable mention to black. But I wouldn't want to play with a group that gets upset over certain colors. If I'm going to play the game, I expect to play the full game, not 4/5ths.
>>44574801 Bullshit. Either you are just refusing to shuffle or youre just a fucking idiot, because thats almost half your deck. I refuse to believe you run almost 30 lands in a 65 card deck and consistently only have 2 mana turn 6. That straight up goes against statistics.
>>44567892 > Play multiplayer commander > Cast cards you cant pay for Nobody in my playgroup cares to check other peoples lands and shit to see if they can actually cast what they are trying to, so i frequently play cards or several cards im a bit short of paying for
>>44574888 Have a guy who used to do this in my group before we ditched him. He just left everything in a huge fucking pile so no one could tell what he was tapping, how much he was tapping, and what he was casting. He would just drop cards from his hand onto the battlefield. Guy was a total fucking scumbag, just constantly cheating and being a complete cunt. We kept count of the number of times he cheated in a day of playing. When it got above 30 we told him to get the fuck out.
>>44575577 Yeah. One extra random card at the beginning hand, seeing the next card in the deck, and looking at the bottom card of the deck after a shuffle don't really do anything to the game as a whole.
I check the top card of my deck when my opponent isn't looking.
Draw cards when my opponent isn't looking. Quickly put back cards I don't need.
Use card in Japanese or French and lie about what the do. Got caught doing this by a French Canadian once, but it was a casual game and he assumed it was just ignorance or my part.
Look at the bottom card my opponent's deck while shuffling for them (to make sure they aren't stacking their deck, lol) so I have an idea of what I'm playing against.
Play without sleeves and purposefully use a few lands with beat-up frayed edges so I can tell where the lands are.
Look at opponent's hand from reflection in their large shiny glasses. Only works if opponent has large shiny glasses.
Offer friends as many drinks as they want when they're over so when they get up everyone can look at the cards their hand while they're up taking a piss. This is standard procedure among my friends, we all do this to each other, and in games other than Magic.
>>44575822 I mean, I can sort of understand to cheat in a tournament. And I can sort of understand manaweaving or stuff like that in a casual game so you actually get to play. But I'll never understand why you would hardcore cheat in a casual game, thats just low. You are apparently not even having fun when its just a game, then just stop.
>>44575912 But it is fun. We are so casual, we all cheat. We don't even really cheat to win, we cheat to see how much we can get away with. It's not really about winning, it's about hanging with bros and making jokes. And occasionally making them get out their phone to see if my Japanese card is what I say it is, lol.
You faggots are the cancer killing magic. If I ever suspect my opponent is doing something shady with his deck, I will riffle shuffle the fuck out of it until I feel it's suitably randomized. And if you don't like it then tough shit, there's not a damn thing you can do without getting yourself DQd
>>44575822 What is even the point of owning a foreign/full art card if you haven't completely memorized what it does? Your Canadian friend should have called you out, only cheating faggots do shit like that.
>be drunk >find girl on toilet, unconscious >brutally rape her in both holes >get prison sentence >get to leave during it to finish school >get prison sentence reduced >>get DQ'd from tournament just when you're going to win >get banned from Magic forever >post on /tg/ about how unfair it is
Only thing I took issue with was the implication that he didn't rape her. Mildly disturbing that you'd downplay the brutal anal and vaginal rape of an unconscious girl in order to make getting banned from a card game seem more unfair.
You can have the extrajudicial justice conversation, but you didn't seem interested in having it before.
Take advantage of English grammar and insist that all "you"s in card text are plural. For instance, "highest attack value among monsters you control" means "highest attack value among monsters any of you control."
I cheated to win a FNM draft at a store once. I used Natural Connection to search through my library, then 'dropped' a few of my cards, and while I was picking them up, I slid the key cards I needed to win on the top of my library and in about the middle.
When my opponent cut the deck, he happened to put the key card I needed on the top (Kalastria healer) so next turn , I drew it.
I feel scummy about it, and I don't think I'd try it again. I probably would have won the event regardless, but now I won't know.
>>44578289 In order for a plea deal to happen, you have to say you're guilty. Not knowing anything about the case, he could have decided he was going to be convicted regardless (even if not guilty or if there was more to it than 'he is guilty and she is the victim') and went that way because he didn't want to chance getting an even harsher sentence.
>>44567968 Someone did it at GP Stockholm. I would shuffle the decks in front of him and move all good cards in his opponent's deck down to the bottom. Though, why the first few people he did this to didn't eiher call a judge or a tell him he can't look at the deck as he shuffles it is beyond me.
It doesn't matter whether or not he did or didn't rape the woman.
According to how our society works he served his time and therefore by the rules of our society has served his penitence. If you think he should burn in prison then that's a problem you have with our goddamn legal system and not him and maybe that is what the discussion should be because this bullshit isn't going to solve anything. Yes, Wizards has all the right in the world to ban anybody they goddamn wish from a tournament - they can outright make up something and ban a person for something as stupid as bringing an apple into the tournament area if they really wanted to, that is their right as tournament organizers. So banning a guy for a history of sexual assault, even if he served his time, is well within their right, but it is also a very shitty thing to do.
This is not to mention that the person who went on the witch hunt to find the background on this guy did a fairly shitty thing himself. You don't fucking Tweet to the rest of the world that somebody, who remember served his time, is the scum of the universe, you inform Wizards privately and let them deal with it because that's just the professional thing to do.
This was all handled wrong. And at the end we haven't learned a fucking thing or agreed whether or not our legal system is fucked or working as planned.
>>44567892 It doesn't even look like any of the cheating on this thread is OMGMUSTWIN just that you get sick of chance screwing you constantly. I expected this thread would rustle my rhondas, but it really just calls out how piss-poorly designed magic is with all its chance.
I bring my competitive nature when I play White Wizard's game EPIC and never feel screwed or even the temptation to cheat. TCGs need to start stepping it up if they want to stay a viable market. Bad rule design, bad card design, bad math.
To Magics credit I think Roseshitter said he is working on mulligans though. It won't help because land cards are terribly implemented. Hell, I was undefeated in my last tournament till I got land screwed so hard in my last match that I had to mulligan to 3 (auto loss) twice in a row.
>>44574865 Used to think my gf was cursed, nope just left handed. When she riffled, she stripped the cards backward (away from her palm) which was undoing her shuffle. When you riffle or mash, cards interleave, shifting down away from your palm. If you take chunks of the deck and drop them also away from your palm they just move instead of randomize. It requires a recursive reset after, meaning strip toward your palm. If you shuffle wrong like this, your deck barely changes much.
Had her fix this and instantly her "bad luck" disappeared
Sometime when I got to mulligan with a 1 or two land hand I take a tiny peek at the top card as I pick my deck up if the opponent is distracted and keep the hand if it's a land. I'm trying to stop myself doing it, but it's a shame that the resources system is so poor that it's even a thing I need to do.
>>44582074 A terrible mechanic that overly punishes you for being a statistical outlier.
>>44583105 Stop defending this shitty game. Most people run at least 23 land with decks often searching or thinning. This is a universal thing. Even in groups with pro tour and PTQ attendees, it is a huge problem.
Have you tried chess? I hear it's completely free of the badwrong randomness that is getting in the way of your elite gaming skill. I suppose you hate draft because it's ~"all just bullshit luck" too, huh?
>>44579828 Apparently he was VERY skilled with sleight of hand - there were a few comments from street magicians who were impressed with his ability to force cards up or down so fluidly given they were in sleeves.
IIRC the only reason he got caught was he did it during a feature match - with a camera directly overhead.
>>44583320 Not that anon, but Levin absolutely should be banned for his smear campaign and others like it. (Calling Jesse a rapist is defamation, he was never convicted of rape. No matter what you think of what did go down, he is not a convicted rapist)
Now that I think about it Zach Jesse is applying for the Virgina Bar - he should absolutely know the 4-prong test for defamation, and could probably sue Levin for a whole lot of money. And if that case falls in his favor, he can then appeal to wizards to unban him, or at least return his MTGO account.
>>44567892 Last game I won on a faked Rebound. Guy exiled my Profound Journey with Daxos, and I cast it from exile on my upkeep (despite never casting it from my hand) to get back Talrand. Ended up crapping out tokens and winning on a full swing to kill the whole table
>>44583630 >And if that case falls in his favor, he can then appeal to wizards to unban him, or at least return his MTGO account. Why? Wizards are a rule unto themselves. He has a bad rep with the feminists, he gets banned, simple as that.
Ways to "cheat" without really cheating. (At least, I've never been called out for it) >Shuffle your deck well, use all your time shuffling, learn good shuffling techniques. >Only shuffle your opponent's deck well if you see them trying something cheeky. Most likely they don't know how to shuffle and will end up with clumps of lands, so shuffling poorly helps you. >Gather information about opponent's decks, there's nothing stopping you from looking down the table to see what other people are playing. >Do little things that distract your opponent. Tryhard players work best, taking a little too long on your turn (don't timestall idiot), asking stupid obvious questions, and using the wrong term (using cast instead of play for lands is a favourite of mine) all make tryhards extra mad, which makes them play worse.
>>44586147 Mash? Is that When you just throw all your cards in a pile and move them around? I would reccomend you shuffle your cards by lightly grabbing the sides with one hand, while holding the deck with the other, and then pulling out random cards. Then put them on either top and bottom. Repeat X11 and then put the bottom half on top.
>>44586147 Pile shuffling once is nice to get rid of clumps. I like a 5 pile shuffle followed by riffle then cut until I run out of time. really the trick is to fit in as much as you can in what little time you have between matches. Doing the pile shuffle quickly saves you the most time, it's also your chance to count your cards. The riffle is giving you the most randomization, which is also the best way to tell others you aren't stacking your deck. Sleeves matter most here, and while I won't suggest a particular brand I will say tight fitting sleeves work best.
>>44586519 Walmart normally has ultrapros. They're cheapish and do work. I prefer the non-mattes to the mattes, the mattes have a non reflective front that desaturates the card a bit. I get most of my card sleeves from my LGS.
>>44574801 Since you're new, I'll help you: play EXACTLY 60 cards, with EXACTLY 24 of them being lands and SHUFFLE PROPERLY. Like really good shuffling. Mash or riffle, not that useless slide shuffling.
>>44586147 Pile shuffling does literal nothing other than count your cards. I do it at the start of each match once. After that, mash shuffling at least 7 times is sufficient. I probably do it around 10 times
>>44594337 I think it means that any "return card from the removed from play" effects won't work since its in a different pile. Are there any other fun magic cards like this? I know there's the "Our Market Research Shows That Players Like Really Long Card Names So We Made this Card to Have the Absolute Longest Card Name Ever Elemental".
>>44594208 >liking Pokemon after they printed Pyroar in Flashfire >liking Pokemon after Big Basics, Plasma, and Deluge Blastoise got castrated >liking Pokemon after they started pushing Megas Nothing was fun after that Genesect ditto at Worlds. Once Plasma hit the tank I packed up shop and I haven't looked back.
I'm unsure if americans are familiar with it, but within the definition of rechtsstaat there is a concept where, once you have done your time and suffered your punishment, your crime is considered compensated and you can re-enter the society and operate as part of the society again.
Perhaps it tells of something, when I cannot think of an English translation for the word rechtsstaat.
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