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Appreciating the time we have

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IRC Chat Channel
https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?url=irc%3A%2F%2Firc.rizon.net%2Fcyoa

Here's a dropbox with a LOT of CYOA's:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ijwopa42ke49q1/AAA40vUS2BzstD9eHyyBLTr8a?dl=0
Here's Beri's OC (genie cyoa+)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxbrh3Q2CTiyfjM3SjU2TWNJQ3VpZ2pWYk0xRUJ4LVZYRkgyTTlwUTQwZjZhN0FNTTJ3LUE
Here's Liminal Phrenic's blog with most of his cyoa stuff theouterworlds.blogspot.com
Here's Spadesy's wordpress with most of his cyoa stuff feathersnake.wordpress.com

List of Image Resources:
http://game-icons.net
http://www.pixiv.net
http://drawcrowd.com
http://digital-art-gallery.com
https://www.artstation.com
http://coolvibe.com
http://www.zerochan.net
http://danbooru.donmai.us
http://www.deviantart.com
http://fantasygallery.net
http://grognard.booru.org
http://fantasy-art-engine.tumblr.com
https://www.pinterest.com
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>>44556329
Nothing wrong with using the old version anons.
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>>44560896
vile heresy. only the most recent things are permitted on /cyoa/.
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>>44560940
Not true, your mom was all over /cyoa/ and she is anything but recent.
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>>44561313 (You)
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i like this one. yes, we all/mostly, want to be immortal but how do you want it to be?
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>>44561402
Like this.
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>>44560896
>mfw every new version of SDA's CYOAs always tend to make it worse than the version before it
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>>44560626
Let me know what it is it's missing or needs to be added. A newer version is coming soon, with adjustments, rewritten content and additions.

>It needs a soul
I don't know if it's a joke or what.
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>>44561402
I don't want to be immortal (inb4 that means I'm suicidal)
There's no Papa Johns in my country. I doubt there are any in Europe, even, so I can't waste any points.
>Sanit 8
>Possess 11
>Half withdrawal 17
>Pull-the-plug 20
Immortality without a way to end it is just asking to go insane
>Double time 24
>Training 25
Probably economics. Help the person I look after make money get paid, and nudge him/her into using it for good deeds.
Death's number was really tempting.

Alternatively I could just be a prick and take The Challenge instead, and get 8 points for it as well as the effect of pull-the-plug. 500 years is more than enough. But that's bogus.
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>>44561301

Federation Citizenship 120
The Demigod 420
The Hellraiser 400
S&R Tier 4 24
The Acheron Tier 4 34
Escalation Tier 4 40
This Land Tier 4 36
All Aboard Tier 4 28
And the Fire Grows Tier 4 18
Heat Tier 4 40
Asunder, Sweet Tier 4 0
Total MCr 1160

Skills
Advanced Piloting 0
Diplomacy 0
Ship Weapon Spec (Energy) 0
Adv. Combat Training -4
Medical -2
Computer Science -2
Mechanics -2
Nuclear -2
Mind-Link -2

Crew
"Hailey" 0
"Pepper" -1
Anne Tse -1
Amy Mccartney -5
Mereille Fairley -5
Lyra Miralda -8
Devon Trice -6
Viktor -6
"Comet" -0
Faith Nichols -5
"Styx" -21
"Archangel" -20
"Plague" -16
"Locust" -15
Arabelle Meyer -5
Livia Amaruq -5
Darrel Wallace -4
Dani "Cuts" Laine -3
Sophie Haynes -3
"Uplink" -14
Erica "761" -2
Wilhelm von Welch -9
Lauren L. Lazuli 0
Vito Lozano -4
Carolyn Brooks -3
Mikka Akimoto -2
Laurie Parsons -1
Operators*500 -17
Federation Navy*1500 -36

Total MCr : 929
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>>44561452
Do you have a data proving that?
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>>44561576
You need help anon, all you need to do is ask.
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I'll take floor number 4 please
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>>44561633
>if you want to die a natural death (inb4 appeal to nature) instead of live through the inevitable heat death of the universe, then that must automatically mean you want to die and hate life
That's absolutely retarded. What's next, if I don't pick the girlfriend option that must mean I want to die alone?
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>>44561728
Believe it or not, there are people who genuinely want to help.
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>>44561579

Ship
ACS "DURANDAL"
X7 Phantom -86

Sophocles v1.0.3 "Endless Summer"

Energy Subsystem
2x Mana Core -105

Shield Subsystem
Mana Shielding -40

Hull Mods
MI520 "Visage" -25
2x Spinal Upgrade -30
3x Broadside Upgrade -30
4x Vehicle Bay -12
4x Hanger Bay -20
Teleport Jammer -20

Spinal Weapon Mount
Anti-Matter Cannon -80
2x Pulse Beam Cannon -21

Broadside Mount
14x Heavy Laser Cannon -60
8x Mana Blaster -36
8x Rail Gun -36
4x Missile Launcher -25

Point Defense Mount
3x Flak Cannon -8
4x Light Laser Cannon -10

Industrial Equipment
Tractor Beam -3
Composition Scanner -4

E-War Equipment
Honey Pot Module -9
Warp Jammer -14

Rooms
Crew Quarters + Officer's Quarters -3
Captain's Quarters -5
Advanced Evacuation -9
Advanced Infirmary -12
Standard Mess Hall + Tavern -4
Fancy Mess Hall -7
Lounge + Rec Room + Observatory -3
Laboratory + Terraforming Bay -19
Cryosleep Chambers -8
Hypercomms + DigiSec Room -6
Cargo Space + Engineering Bay -3
Advanced Arsenal -9
Training Room -3
Teleport Platform -5
Holding Cells -1
Secure Vault -2
Meat Fridge -4
Aquaculture + Hydroponic Garden -3
Upgraded Ship Security -8

Hanger
0G Mobile Suit(Heavy Particle Blaster+Melee Enhancement) -12
5x 0G Mobile Suit(Railgun+Light Laser Cannon) -60
2x Hull Repair Drone -8
2x Dropship(Autocannon+Missile Pod) -14
2x Heavy Tank(Artillery Cannon+Light Machine Gun) -16
2x APC(Auto Cannon) -12
TOTAL MCr 19

>Testbed for Triglav's research into Herald tech
>Doubles as privateer against the Luos Syndicate holdouts and Talons
>Got screwed by factions within Triglav when picked up 'Hailey' and doubly screwed with 'Comet'
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Did SDA ever explained Hull/Shield vs Damage? If I have 10 shield, I can take only 2 hits of Rail Gun (5 damage per volley)?
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>>44561759
sure, I have nothing better to do, so let's pretend I'm suicidal and want to die alone.
What now?
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>>44561826
I dunno. Kill yourself, see what happens?
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>>44561823
No. It's abstract. We don't know what the numbers mean past guessing. SDA likely doesn't know either.
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I want SDA to make Necromancer CYOA.
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>>44561849
why? I don't want to die prematurely.
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>>44561919
You suck at pretending.
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>>44561826
>>44561759
>>44561728
>>44561402
I am scared of taking Never Alone too actually. I mean i would take it of course, but only if i can take Pull the Plug too.

>Fiend
Rather easy and there is always bad people out there who almost non will pity if they die.
>Euphoric Blood
To not have any trouble with all the killings and to actually enjoy it
>Freedom
Essential for Fiend, but i would take it with any other option too
>Pull the Plug
>Three points left into Training for some useful skills, something social probably
So the main question here for me do i take Always Something to Do and Pull the plug, but no Euphoric Blood or Freedom, Pull the Plug and Euphoric Blood. And it's not an easy question for me.
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Is Scientist here?
how about little tidbits for the Necro CYOA to keep us excited?
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>>44561947
no, c'mon m8, help me out.
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>>44561600
>>44561452
the new versions do not allow you to have enough money without taking extremely high combat titles.
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>>44561402
Digitalization - 6
Self Destruct - 3
Free - 8
Training x5 - 5
Pull the Plug - 3

I might help out the world somehow with my leet hax, but I'll probably just fuck around until I get bored. The training can probably go into social stuff, since directly fucking with data will make most other stuff much easier.

I'd also put money into space travel and robotics research, so that humanity survives for a while longer and I eventually get a sweet new bod with at least a few of the human senses.
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>>44562328
100m is enough money without any additions to it.
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>>44562364
HAH!
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>>44562328
I can buy an entire fighter squadron for 100m, or a sweet asteroid miner with 10m to spare. Stop whining.
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>>44562370
You can make a build with it. It's not the CYOA's fault you're not happy with a budget build.
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>>44562328
> without taking extremely high combat titles.

Pfft. Take Berserker and Saint. That gives you enough to make a well built destroyer. Berserker is actually a positive for the most part, and Saint just requires you to give Alessia a damn bath. And your dick.

There are only a handful of "extremely high combat titles," none of which are necessary for anything but a battleship. And if you want to fly around in a battleship, well no shit you should have to take serious complications.
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In touch with the ground
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
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>>44562328

>Minmaxer detected
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>>44562531
>>44562391
>>44562430
>>44562476
Guys the only problem i'm having is that the new version completely invalidates any previous build i had.
It cost me somewhat over 500mc. (plus all the money the jobs gave)
Now everything has gotten more expensive, the jobs give less money and i have no way of making the 400mc back without taking things that will put my ship/crew/life into constant life threatening peril.

If you know of a way to make a build from the previous versions with this version without taking feats that are "XY will constantly try to kill you no diplomacy possible"
please let me know
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>>44562514
Succubus waifu please.
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>>44562611
>I can't make a god-slaying hyper-optimized warlord of the heavens without having to watch my back! Woe is me!
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>>44562514
Give some of them Fancy paudrons
Parisian can be mad all day long
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>>44562611
>>44562531
>>44562391
>>44562430
>>44562476
To clarify: If a new version has LESS ways to make a valid build, and some builds that were balanced before are now not possible any more at all, that is a removal of content.
Content in a CYOA is not only how many different things you ca buy, it's mostly how open the universe is to you combining them.

>>44562649
I never made anything like that.
I just made something that was largely self sufficient and could take a beating. It didn't even have weapons that could harm battleships for fucks sake.
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Does anyone have the pokemon personified CYOA?
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>>44562514
Elf. 300 more years of life and experiences? Who knows what people will invent.
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>>44562611
>Guys the only problem i'm having is that the new version completely invalidates any previous build i had.
Oh no! Not that!
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>>44562514
What if I am a Parisian ?
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>>44562736
then you hate yourself
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>>44562756
Ok, but what changes ?
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>>44562683
Well no matter how you put it it's a removal of content to suit the fighty shooty types more.
Diplomacy is now not even necessary for your crew and is a single point skill.

If the previous version allowed for you to become the scourge of the galaxy through shooting everything that comes into range, or also to be the king of the miners in an impenetrable mining fortress, or to be the commander of what is essentially a space station trying to keep order with a crew that would normally be at each others throats, adrift through the galaxy, defending yourself and others by any means necessary -

And meanwhile the new build allows you four different ways to be the shooty guy, with 6 more weapons, or you can be a shitty miner no one cares about -

well then i think the old build was better.
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So when I do the stroke to get a "cool border", there's no "overprint" option and I don't get the effect in the guide, where the image is still seen in the border. I just get a border of a color
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>>44562611
At least you can still fix things by taking greater complications.

My herald carrier mothership build is totally fucked by the new version, because the option to buy a herald carrier doesn't even fucking exist anymore.
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>>44562777
same option (minus overprint, because I don't have that), vastly different result
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>>44562611
> without taking feats that are "XY will constantly try to kill you no diplomacy possible"
please let me know
Ugh. This shit again. "SDA is stealing content from me because he changed things!" He made it so that you need to take risks in order to get the biggest ships. That's all.

Besides, see >>44562476
There are plenty of titles that don't kill you. It's not our fault you can't see past Demigod, Fatebreaker, or Hellraiser. It's easy to make a good destroyer without touching any of the guaranteed combat titles.
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>>44562770
heh I was expecting that
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>>44562611
Make a new fucking build. What's the point if all you're doing is copying an old build?
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>>44562772
Oh hey, it's NI.
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>>44562514
So I gain a charge each time I go out in public with it on? Can I just walk out the door for a second and then go back inside?

>>44562736
Avoid mirrors.
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>>44562670

It's not quite 'less'. Sure the ship systems are mostly gone, with only the command modules remaining, but for the most part you could still have ALMOST the same ship if you actually tried.

Bigger ships are bigger targets, the bigger your ship/fleet the more of a target you become. You can't just say, "Oh, I'm a science vessel. So raiders and pirates shouldn't really bother me since I'm a non-combatant." Just cause your ship is pacifistic doesn't mean the rest of the galaxy is.
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>>44562806
well the herald carrier is what i meant by "impenetrable mining fortress" actually
the new mothership no matter how large can't even slot 10 fighters.

>>44562821
But that's not a good thing.
Not everyone wants to take huge risks. And there's no other way to get credits apart from endangering your life in countless ways.

In the old version you had ways to be "da best" without half the galaxy trying to kill you.
You don't have any ways to be "da best" here, without half the galaxy trying to kill you.

No matter what else you say this point stands.

>>44562845
The problem is not having to make a new build the problem is that the only way to become a significant power in the new version is to be a combat focused brute.
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>>44562611
> i have no way of making the 400mc back without taking things that will put my ship/crew/life into constant life threatening peril.
Take Berserker and Saint. That will give you 320m right there. Then find some stuff to cut to make up the remaining 80m.
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>>44562670

If anything, there's actually more ways and more builds now. Just cause you can't make your old ship doesn't mean it's the CYOA's fault, it's your fault for not being able to adapt to change.
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>>44562913
> I want a herald carrier without any downsides
> In the old version you had ways to be "da best" without half the galaxy trying to kill you.
> You don't have any ways to be "da best" here, without half the galaxy trying to kill you.

I'm really glad your build got trashed. Being "da best" should entail risks. If you want to take no risks, why should you just get everything dropped in your lap? If you want a safe build, just make a mining cruiser with the small/medium titles.
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>>44562891
yeah see that's my point.
In the old build i COULD make a science vessel that was powerful enough to not be pulverized by pirates.
Or a mining vessel that had enough hull strength to last while reinforcements arrive.

That's not an option here.
You're either a warmachine, or some mediocre cruiser the first pirate raiding party you come across will be happy to take over.

>>44562916
It's more than 80 though, because the gear and hulls also got a lot more expensive.
And discounts for the hull don't apply for shields and energy systems any more.
And jobs bring less money.

>>44562922
see>>44562772
There are more ways to build *attackships*.
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>>44562913

>In the old version you had ways to be "da best" without half the galaxy trying to kill you.
>You don't have any ways to be "da best" here, without half the galaxy trying to kill you.


You got good at minmaxing the original and the beta, get good at minmaxing the 2.0.

Just because you don't want to take huge risks doesn't mean those huge risks don't exist. Take Traveller and Berserk, boom, instant 400m risk free.
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>>44562514
If I turn wolves into people can I have a wolfgirl gf?
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>>44562965
I'm fine with the downsides.

I just want a fucking herald carrier.
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>>44562965
>Being "da best" should entail risks.
Why should it?
Why isn't being a happy merchant with a huge mining operation a valid way to become influential?
Why isn't being an amazing scientist who sold an amazing invention (Kid A from the previous origins) an option?
Why isn't being a previous war hero, now retired and exploring an option?
Why isn't being a well funded explorer exploring strange new worlds and resources an option?


Why do you want the only option to glory be you constantly having to fight murderous things?
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>>44562995
yes
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>>44561301
>Mind-Link
I like that. Can I be the ship instead of pilot? I want to get rid of the smelly flesh and let cute waifus ride in me.
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>>44562772
>And meanwhile the new build allows you four different ways to be the shooty guy, with 6 more weapons, or you can be a shitty miner no one cares about

Bullshit. Not focusing on firepower frees up a lot of your points because trying to make a really powerful war vessel is not cheap. Meanwhile all the stuff for mining are still there. And that last direction you're going for there is just the firepower route with diplomacy tacked on which is still possible.

Barely anything was lost, prices just shifted around and you're only upset because YOU have trouble making your old build while plenty of others can figure out how to carry there's over.
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>>44562913
> And there's no other way to get credits apart from endangering your life in countless ways.

Yes, there is. You've just been flat out refusing to listen to the people who have been telling you how. The Berserker gives 180m and doesn't actually put you in danger (if anything, it's actually a buff). The Old Timer, The Ghost, The Whisperer, and The Saint all give some money and don't put you in active danger either. The Prisoner is a sweet 200m that you just need to fluff right to make it work.

There are plenty of ways of getting money. You've just been covering your ears and screaming to avoid admitting that you're completely wrong.
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>>44562968

Yes, yes it's an option. You could be a science vessel that could hold your own without having to be a warmachine. You could be a mining vessel with absurd shielding to take a beating.

Just cause you can't make the same the size of a capital ship doesn't mean they can't be done. The CYOA isn't doing anything wrong, you are if you aren't able to make your build work.


>>44563015

Everything you just mentioned fits under either Federation Civilian or Beatrice R&D, hell that's what the CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE origin is for.
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>>44562969
>Take Traveller and Berserk, boom, instant 400m risk free.
That's actually what i did, but with everything becoming more expensive, discounts gone, free crewmembers gone, free bonus items from crewmembers gone, and new vehicles and equipment and rooms to buy, my previously 240m frigate now costs 320 with less equipment.

>>44563048
>Bullshit. Not focusing on firepower frees up a lot of your points
I wish it did, but it really really really doesn't.
See above. A Frigate with the lamest weapons possible costs almost 100mc more.

>>44563054
See above.

If you go and make a combat build, you can get 800mc from the titles, which is necessary because everything got more expensive.
>you can buy the same amount of stuff as before

If you make a non combat focused build, you can max get about 400mc. With everything getting more expensive

>you can't buy the same stuff as before
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>>44563015
> Why isn't being a happy merchant with a huge mining operation a valid way to become influential?
You don't need a herald carrier for this. Fuck, you don't even need a particularly big ship, the Vd3 is plenty roomy for a mining ship and it's cheap enough that you don't need to bother with the risky titles. Same with the rest. The hull isn't the main cost, the guns and the combat focused hull mods are the main driver of cost. And if you're not doing combat, you don't need the pricey stuff in that regard. All you need is room, and there are plenty of cheap hulls with lots of room.
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>>44563093
>If you make a non combat focused build, you can max get about 400mc. With everything getting more expensive
Nope. This is simply wrong.
100m start, another 300m from easy, noncombat titles, easily another 100m from contracts. Throw in another 20m from origin, and you're already well past 500m.
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>>44563093

No shit making a combat build is expensive, you're putting your life on the fucking line. A civilian explorer or merchant trader has no business carrying the same amount of firepower since they aren't going to be entering the same kinds of situations.
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>>44563093

To be honest, the bonus items from crew members never made any sense. I mean if your ship only had X amount of Spinal hardpoints, how is (insert crewmember here) supposed to add in (insert weapon here) if you're already full up on X hardpoints. And even if you didn't fill those hardpoints, why should having a crewmember immediately grant you some sort of (insert bonus here)?

Oh yeah, I'm hiring you AND that giant vault/artillery cannon you lug around for some reason.
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>>44563093
> Complaining about 320m
You can get that with just The Berserker and some contracts. Easy.

> See above. A Frigate with the lamest weapons possible costs almost 100mc more.
And even the easiest titles/contracts give more than that to make up the difference. In previous versions, titles gave barely a tenth what they do now.

> If you make a non combat focused build, you can max get about 400mc. With everything getting more expensive
Non-combat builds are also really cheap because you don't need to go super high end on things like weapons, power generation, etc.
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>>44563060
The point was not that the origins are bad, the point was that neither origin grants you the ability to become the very best the best there ever was without huge risks.
In the previous builds you did not have to take huge risks, and the in-game reasons were completely justified.

>>44563102
-Frigates have less room now.
-I wanted absurdly high shields like >>44563060 suggested. that's not possible with small hulls.
> the combat focused hull mods are the main driver of cost
They really are not.
An absolutely non combatant frigate now costs 80mc more in this build.


>>44563140
i meant you can get a max 400 from titles.+20m from origin. +the same from jobs as before
so at best you can be as rich as before.

But since everything got a lot more expensive you won't be able to buy anything close to what you were able to before.

Meanwhile if you make a combat focused build you can get 800m from titles, +20 from origin, + the same as before from jobs, which more than compensates for the increase in price

the result being that
>you can buy LESS if you go non combat then you used to be able to buy
>you can buy the same or MORE than you used to be able to buy if you make a combat build
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So does anyone here actually have the older version?
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>>44563214
> An absolutely non combatant frigate now costs 80mc more in this build.
And NON-COMBAT titles already give you that much more. They used to give 10-20m, now they can easily give you 200m. And that's without touching any of the titles that actually have someone gunning for you.
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>>44563250
Which one? There are several.
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>>44563214

Take a Heraldic ship, take a Mana Core and Heraldic shielding. That shit is absurdly cheap and durable.

And no shit, ANY kind of Frigate is going to cost more than 80m.
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>>44563269
The one just before this major update.

>>44563274
>Take a Heraldic ship
I want to take a Heraldic carrier. What now?
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>>44563197
Well they might be an engineer who can make one more turret fit and have it consume not too much energy?
A scientist may carry around his own lab equipment for a multi year mission.
An ex-pilot may have the rights to his old wreckage of a ship where two turrets and a drone still work?

>>44563206
>320
it was part of a multi ship build altogether worth 750m

i didn't only have ONE frigate.

>Non-combat builds are also really cheap because you don't need to go super high end on things like weapons, power generation, etc.

That is false, because you need to go full out on your rooms, and your defensive capabilities if you don't want to get mauled by space pirates.
Why would you not get attacked by space pirates just because you declare you're a non combatant?

>>44563257
are you somehow ...

i LOSE 400m starting credits
and then i have to pay 80m more for the frigate.

which means i'm at a net loss of 480m credits.

titles give me 350 more credits max

which means i still have 130m credits LES to spend on other ships?

>>44563274
i think you misread something.
it costs 80m credits MORE than it used to.
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>>44563214
>>44563274
Don't forget the Shield Extender for another +2 shield strength, it's also cheap as hell.
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>>44563214
> neither origin grants you the ability to become the very best the best there ever was without huge risks.

So you want to be the very best, the best there ever was, without serious risks? That's incredibly stupid. Being the very best shouldn't be easy. Being mediocre should be easy, and it is. Don't want to take risks? You don't have to. But you're not going to be "the best thing ever" without risk.
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>>44563214
>The point was not that the origins are bad, the point was that neither origin grants you the ability to become the very best the best there ever was without huge risks
Which makes fucking sense because either you're a little fish in a big pond who keeps out of trouble or you're a famous ship captain who grabs life by the balls and isn't scared of a little fight. Guess which one is the very best the best there ever was. Hint: It isn't the one that stayed at home because heading out into neutral wasn't entirely safe.

>But since everything got a lot more expensive you won't be able to buy anything close to what you were able to before.
You keep saying this, but I'd like to know what version you were using and the build you had so that we can actually see if you're telling the truth or just talking out you ass.
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> I want a giant alien carrier with max shields and a bunch of escorts without taking risks!

Wow, you're really just a colossal whiner.
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>>44561402
Digitization seems best. It's not like you can't upgrade the android body or make a new one that has all senses or something...
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Why are people even replying?
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>>44563341
You can't even have a giant alien carrier anymore even if you take all the maximum possible risks.
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>>44563289

Having 100m starting credits makes so much more sense than 500m in a narrative perspective. Having 100m starting credits means you aren't going to make some absurdly overpowered ship without even factoring in the titles yet.

Then take a different ship, take some nuclear reactor, and take advanced shielding. It's not rocket science.

And the free shit never made any sense. If you wanted some uber special background that doesn't fit with any of the other origins you took Choose Your Own Adventure.

I think you're just butthurt that Star Dust brushed off a lot of it's 'easy mode' parts. Like the inflated credits and free junk.
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>>44563286
Then you want to buy and use one of the most valuable, elusive pieces of technology in the known setting.

Yeah, of course when you do that no one should want to ask questions about why you got and of course no one should try to take it for themselves and of course it shouldn't come with an inherent risk represented by the drawbacks.
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>>44563383
I'm a different anon from the one you're arguing with, and I must say his build got off easy compared to mine, which was combat-oriented.
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>>44563360

Because this is 4chan.

And a whiny faggot doesn't get hugs like on Tumblr, they get flamed and shit on.
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>>44563360

It was very good bait. Quality bait.
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>>44562913
You really are NI. The troll from last time. And these idiots are feeding you.
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>>44563373
Hellraiser plus Demigod grants you 920m to play with before contracts. Mothership costs 520m. 400m left, before contracts.

You can easily get over a billion if you want to minmax and churn out as many points as possible. After all, it'll never get played, you'll never actually have to suffer the theoretical drawbacks of creating the biggest and best possible ship.
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>>44563289
Here, take this and go home.
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>>44563463
>After all, it'll never get played
That would be my biggest whiny complain about CYOAs. So many amazing settings and ideas, so little games.
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>>44563515
It's against the premise.
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>>44563463
I don't want those stupid dreadnoughts. Their navigation stat of 0 already turns me off from even considering them.

Not everyone thinks bigger is better.
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>>44563298
That would be a nice thing had SDA not explicitly stated that the bonus only applies to the other ship.
>>44563307
>That's incredibly stupid
Why?
There are reasons why someone would have a chance like that. Those reasons have been nicely laid out in the previous buid.
You sold some invention for a ton of money.
You're an explorer sponsored by a megacorp.
etc

even if you go with titles, how does being hunted by some shady federation illuminati bringing you more money and more chances to be the very best than discovering an entirely new sector of the galaxy all on your own with all the riches there?

>>44563323
>Which makes fucking sense because either you're a little fish in a big pond who keeps out of trouble or you're a famous ship captain who grabs life by the balls and isn't scared of a little fight. Guess which one is the very best the best there ever was
that is so retarded i don't even know what to say.

How exactly do you explain "mining king steve" as a contract, if the only way you can get influential is by being a fucking one man army.

there are countless ways to get influential apart from combat and i fail to comprehend why you seem unable to think of any.
>pic
here you go
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>>44563523
Stop. Whining. It didn't get changed when you bitched at him at release, it's not changing over a week later.
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>>44563377
>without even factoring in the titles yet.
But why do you have to factor in the titles? Or if you absolutely want to go with titles instead of jobs (which would from a narrative point of view make more sense) then why are there no titles granting big money apart from "xy want to kill you dead"?

would "mining king" be less of a title?
"interstellar red cross" where you have to help out any damn ship in need
things that aren't just about who tries to kill you.
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>>44563377
also
>And the free shit never made any sense.
>kid A
>your previous mentor now tags along with you since you're now loaded.
>being a tech genius you now can make androids if you buy the components

how does that not make sense? this is the only one i remember because it's the one i took, but most of these things made sense.
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>>44563547
i'm just trying to prove the guy who said everything is better with the new version wrong.
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>>44563573
Efficient combat vessels are the only vessels that require over 100m to make.

I can make a functional and efficient exploration, industrial, entertainment or colony ship for less than the starting amount and that's not factoring in contracts. A great big combat bruiser is the only one that requires lots of money, which in turn require combat-based drawbacks to build.
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So would tg like a sort of martial arts CYOA, something very similar to the Edgardo greentext?

Also does tg like a combat system? I.e. do you like the maker putting in how much damage stats give and how much damage resistances lower, etc?
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>>44563622
No one said that. It all started with:
>>44562328
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>>44563598

Let me hire Gregor Hunter, he comes with a free Auto Cannon somehow. Let me hire Tyler, if I'm a Feddie I somehow get 2 free Auto Cannons. I'll hire Zetta too and get 2 free Rail Cannons on the front of my ship. I'll hire Lia Stitt and get an extra Cargo Bay too.

Yeah, makes sense right?
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>>44563622
The biggest drawback of the new version is shitposters like you.
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>>44563653

>Edgardo greentext

God bless you anon for reminding me about that glorious story.

Would be good. Just makes sure the different martial arts actually are different.
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>>44563523
>That would be a nice thing had SDA not explicitly stated that the bonus only applies to the other ship.
He never said that.
When I asked him about how it worked back in v2.0.1 he only changed the active effect to decreasing the shields by 20% and sharing the shield strength with all ships within a moderate distance, he didn't say anything about the +2.
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>>44563523
>that is so retarded i don't even know what to say.
Pretty sure you're retarded and don't understand the point I'm making. You don't become the best by not taking risks. People don't remember a guy who always took it safe and never stepped outside a comfort zone. Sure he lead a safe and low-key life, but he never really accomplished anything of note. Which is certainly not the best the best there ever was.

>there are countless ways to get influential apart from combat and i fail to comprehend why you seem unable to think of any
Oh, I can certainly think of several ways of being influential besides having the ship most armed to the teeth. Mining mogul, first response medical ship, luxury cruiser, messenger ship, science vessel, exploration vessel, and stealthy intelligence gathering ship just off the top of my head. All of which don't have to spend as much on weaponry and ship defense as a ship whose sole purpose is to out-gun every other bastard they meet. Yes they have to pay for rooms, but do you think the military vessels are nothing but cargo space? That they don't have to spend money on hull mods, better shielding, better armor, and just generally more expensive ships to get more weapon slots?

>Christmas Captcha
what the fuck
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>>44563681
SDA somehow always manages to cause unlimited shitposting.
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>>44563679

And before you get autistic on me and say, "but anon, they didn't give you those benefits!"

Here's the Crew page of version 0.5.2, before SDA was SDA.
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>>44563653
>So would tg like a sort of martial arts CYOA, something very similar to the Edgardo greentext?
Oh yes, I would like that.

>Also does tg like a combat system? I.e. do you like the maker putting in how much damage stats give and how much damage resistances lower, etc?
CYOAs aren't games, so I don't really think they need things like that. Verbal descriptions about what different choices and stats actually mean works better in CYOAs than attempts at crunch, at least most of the time. If you already have a really good idea about a combat system, then go for it, but if you don't, there's no need to try to come up with one.
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>>44563651
Only if you think that you don't need any defensive capabilities, because clearly you being a non combatant should be enough to make pirates ignore you...


>>44563673
yeah i was trying to supply the data proving that the new versions were worse. because that guy assumed that they weren't.

>>44563679
I really don't see why not. Why would someone not supply you with their own ecquipment that they happen to have in their garage somewhere if they join your crew 4 lyf?

>>44563726
i should have archived that thread because someone asked him how that +2 think worked and he said that that should be changed anyway because it obviously don't just add +2 to your shields.

>>44563766
>Pretty sure you're retarded and don't understand the point I'm making. You don't become the best by not taking risks
If you think the only possible risk to take is "xy wants to kill you"
then no, a lot of people have become immensely successful without taking risk like that. in fact i would say most have.
And currently there are very few other risks in the titles that you can take.
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10m left for this no-title, no-contract, no-frills-attached mining boat to spend. What should it go on?
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>>44563766
>Mining mogul, first response medical ship, luxury cruiser, messenger ship, science vessel, exploration vessel, and stealthy intelligence gathering ship just off the top of my head
Yeah and neither of those get any financial advantages from titles!
This is exactly what i'm saying.

Also military vessels don't need any science rooms or rooms to produce fresh food or ore processing or factories or super amazing crew facilities, etc.
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>>44563870
>Every luxury cruise ship, cargo freighter, oil tanker and other non-combat auxiliary ship must be capable of defending itself from pirates successfully without aid from combatants.

So, you want a ship focused on non-combat that's an effective combat ship?
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>>44563910
I want a ship that is able to not be boarded immediately by the first pirate boarding party that happens to come across it.

One that can effectively run away to a safe port.

One that has an exorbitant amount of shileding so it can actually venture out into space.

It doesn't have to be able to destroy anything but torpedos.

Like a space station.
Think DS9 from startrek.

It can barely move, has nigh 0 weapons, but with its shields fully upgraded it could withstand an assault of an entire squadron until help arrived.

I want a healer/tank to put it in gamer speak.

That's currently not possible, because the only way you can make some ships that are tank-y is to make a build exclusively focused around that tanky ship and giving it loads of weapons so you can take the "xy tries to kill you" titles.
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>>44563870
>Only if you think that you don't need any defensive capabilities, because clearly you being a non combatant should be enough to make pirates ignore you...
Why a miner in Wayward would need guns? They're deep in Fed territory and surely being the supplier of half galactic ore they will have the Navy protection.
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>>44564001
Luxury cruise ships do not go to pirate infested areas fuckstick.
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>>44563870
>i should have archived that thread because someone asked him how that +2 think worked and he said that that should be changed anyway because it obviously don't just add +2 to your shields.
That someone was me, and I remember him not saying anything about the +2, just the active effect.
How do you think it works if it doesn't do exactly what it says it does (gives +2 SS to the ship the SE is mounted in)? It can't be for the other ships since they get the same shield value as the SE ship.
You're arguing that the CYOA doesn't make sense, and you're free to feel that way, but that doesn't have any influence on the CYOA, you should have realized that by now.
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>>44564001
Take a cloaking device and a teleport jammer. Both are cheap, and let you slip away from a fight without getting boarded.
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>>44564018
I don't want to make a luxury cruise ship.
Also every area in this cyoa can have pirates in it.

>>44564013
I don't want to be in fed terrirotry exclusively.

Can you people really not understand what i'M trying to say?

I want a safe haven fortress ship for deep space shenanigans.

I don't need the ability to pulveize planets, I don't need the ability to take on entire fleets, because that's not what my goal is.
If there's a fight i'll run away.

But i need to have sufficient defensive capabilities to be able to do so without being pulverized.

In other words: being SOMEONE on a galactic scale, without engaging in combat a lot.

Same as voyager, the original enterprise, babylon 5, etc.

Is this so completely absurd a wish?
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>>44564001
Jesus Christ, do you think that there's a squadron of Talon fighters lurking on the surface of the dark side of the moon? Do you think they're just sitting there, furiously masturbating over the prospect of a ship that isn't armed to the teeth lifting off so they can mug the fucker?

Even during the height of piracy during the Age of Sail, there were still hundreds of civilian and merchant ships that were never touched once by pirates. The same here. There's countless routes and zones which are perfectly safe and where you can lurk without needing more than the most rudimentary weapons.

You want a healer/tank? A healer in this context is a combat role. A tank in this context is a combat role. If you want a combat role, you're making a combat ship. Efficient combat ships require combat-based drawbacks. A non-combat ship is not a tank, it is not a healer, it is not a fucking DPS. It's a non-combat ship. It avoids fights at every opportunity because it cannot fight, because it is non-combat. If you're making a non-combat ship that's good at combat, it's no longer a non-combat ship and you shouldn't be concerned with avoiding the combat-based titles.
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>>44564091
>Same as voyager, the original enterprise, babylon 5, etc.
Oh, all those completely risk-free, never-face-any-adventures ships and stations!
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Origin: Red Dagger Pirates
Skills: All but Advanced Combat Training, Industry, and Merchantile
Titles: The Prisoner, The Berserker
Contracts:
- Search and Rescue (Tier 4)
- The Acheron (Tier 1)
- Escalation (Tier 2)
- All Aboard (Tier 3)
- Twin Fangs (Tier 4)
- Rogue Drones (Tier 3)
- Heat (Tier 3)
- And the Fire Grows (Tier 4)

Dart, “The Forgotten Song”
AI: Lai’na
Energy Subsystems: Nuclear Fission x2, Solar Panels
Shield Subsystem: Stalwart Shielding
Command Mod: Herald “Blink”
Hull Mods:
- Active Cloaking
- Teleport Jammer
- Nano Armor
- Overdrive Afterburner x5
- Hull Reduction x1
- Shield Extender
- Hangar Bay x4
- Vehicle Bay x4
- Point Defense x3
- Broadside Upgrade x3
Industrial Equipment: Salvage Harvester, Composition Scanner
E-War Equipment: All

Rooms
Crew Quarters Upgrades
1. Officer’s Quarters
2. Advanced Infirmary
3. Evacuation Room
4. Fancy Mess Hall
Tavern
5. Lounge
Recreational Room
Observatory
6. Cargo Space
Engineering Bay
7. Hypercomms Room
Digital Security Room
8. Arsenal
9. Teleporting Platform
Upgraded Ship Security

Co-pilots
- Mikayla Stone
Engineers
- Trisha “Props” Lim
- Amy McCartney
Doctors
- Tina Wei
Gunners
- Amanda Lynch
Combat
- Livia Amaruq
- Scot Shephard
- Ricce
- Arabelle Meyer
- Lt. Jenny Larue
Cyber-Security
- Slash Slinger
Scientists
- Sarah Escher
Chef/Bartender
- Mikka Akimoto
- Laurie Parsons
Crew Archetypes
- Civilian Workers x4
- Medics x4
- Engineers x5
- Navy Operators x5
- Androids x5

Point Defense (10)
- Flak Cannon x10
Broadside (16)
- Heavy Laser x6
- Mana Blaster x8
Spinal (4)
- Pulse Beam Cannon x4
Drones
- Scout Drone x2
- Hull Repair Drone
- Combat Repair Drone
Vehicles
- MLUV w/ Missile Pod & Autocannon
- Terrain Tank w/ Rail Gun & Autocannon x2
- Lamprey Boarding Ship
- Dropship w/ Missile Pod & Autocannon

Remaining Credits: 6m
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>>44564133
> Gabriel Marlowe, you have been found guilty of piracy.
You don’t say.
> However, due to certain… complications, we have decided to give you the opportunity to redeem yourself.
And what "complications" could make the mighty Federation bend its precious laws?
> Your ship.
Ah. Told you folks already, the Song won’t play ball with anyone else.
> Yes, it appears your ship is somewhat temperamental in that regard. In any case, in order to make use of your ship, we have decided to reduce your sentence to 20 years of service as a privateer. You will continue serving as the Forgotten Song’s captain.
Sweet.
> There will be several conditions, however.
Makes sense.
> First, your former crew will not receive this offer, they will be replaced with a Federation crew.
Eh, they were a bunch of assholes anyway.
> Ah yes, the famed camaraderie of the Red Daggers.
Hey!
> Second, an explosive implant will be imbedded in your skull. The three ranking Federation officers aboard your ship will have the codes to detonate it.
Seems legit.
> Oh, we also made some minor modifications to your ship to conform to Navy regulations.
Such as?
> We undid one of the hull reductions to make room for escape pods.
What?! No! You monsters!
> Oh, quit your whining. Honestly, a tiny bit of speed isn’t worth dying trapped in a flaming wreck.
Blasphemy!
> Incidentally, I’d like to introduce someone to you. Lieutenant, could you join us for a moment?
> This is Lt. Jennifer Laroue, she will be your new XO. She is also one of the officers entrusted with the codes to your implant.
And here I thought that you feddies had no sense of fun. Giving a girl with an ass like that a skintight nanosuit? Daaaamn. You’ve really turned my whole view of the ‘verse on its head.
> I can blow your head off, you know.
Is that supposed to discourage me?
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>>44564033
I might actually have misunderstood something there. How do you think it works?
+2 ss for the ship its mounted on and 20% of the new shield value is ALSO available to each the other ships?

>>44564047
That is a part of the builds that i tried to make, but you can cloak all you want, if you are basically immobile (all dreadnoughts) the enemy will still make you go boom.


>>44564114
>Jesus Christ, do you think that there's a squadron of Talon fighters lurking on the surface of the dark side of the moon? Do you think they're just sitting there, furiously masturbating over the prospect of a ship that isn't armed to the teeth lifting off so they can mug the fucker?
Uhm.
That's basically exactly the sort of thing the red daggers would do according to what SDA said about the factions about a year ago.
At least from what i gathered.

>healer in this context is a combat role.
No.
Hospital ships from the world wars.

>A tank in this context is a combat role
No.
Heavily armored crew transporter.
And in this context a mobile bunker.
That's what i want.
>it's no longer a non-combat ship and you shouldn't be concerned with avoiding the combat-based titles.
This was all in a build i called "comfy build".
The point was to have a mobile bunker to retreat to without having to literally always be on the run because you can't fight off the endless hordes of enemies that want to kill you because you're a bunker, not an artillery squad.
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>>44564212
Dreadnoughts can't cloak, they can't take hull mods so no cloaking device. Also, what the fuck are you doing building a mining ship with a fucking dreadnought hull?
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>>44563475
Needs moar spelling and grammar errors for additional mocking.
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>>44564124
This is the part you guys don't understand.
Risks are fine.
Hell even the titles are fine albeit having the money come from jobs would make more sense.

But what's not fine is that all the big money is in "xy wants to kill you" titles. Neither of those ships up there had anyone that was out to get them all the time.
They had enemies they ran into occasionally but they didn't even always fight them.
Meanwhile all the options in stardust involve people being out to definitely murder you and your entire crew completely dead.
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>>44563870
>>44564033
>>44564212
I found the post by SDA >>44302159, it doesn't mention the +2 at all.

>How do you think it works?
Passive effect:+2 SS to the ship it's mounted on.
Active effect: Reduces the SS of the ship it's mounted on by 20%, gives other ships its new SS.
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>>44563870
>I don't want to be shot at.
>But I want to spend credits on defensive capabilities.

Look, either you don't take anything that would put you under threat or you give your ship some defensive capabilities. And you don't need to get that much in the way of defensive systems to hold off some pirates.

>>44563902
>Yeah and neither of those get any financial advantages from titles!
>Take title
>You now have more money!
Not seeing the point you're making.

>Search and Rescue
>This Land
>All Aboard
>Twin Fangs
>Mining King Steve
>And the Fire Grow
Oh look, a bunch of jobs that don't require you to fight anything.
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>>44564265
I told you i'm trying to not be a mediocre little mining ship i'm trying to be an influential someone in the galaxy.

You're trying to explain to me how that is possible without making my build focus on combat.
Because that's realistically how most people have done things.

Hell the original owners of the herald dreadnought are an RnD company ffs.
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>>44564307
but SDA said
>give 20% to all other ships in range.
which would mean that you only give 20% of your shields to the others.
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>>44561402

Shoujo 2
Twin 6
Always Something To Do 18
Flight 24
Training 25

Always Something To Do means we can save the universe. In the face of the final triumph of entropy, as the red dwarfs slowly burn out and dark energy drives galaxy after galaxy across the cosmological horizon forever, somewhere in the universe there'll always be a sun and a world and two adorable little girls and people to fawn over our cuteness.

And Flight: no speed cap in space? Really, none? Oh, the things I can do to causality and chronology with _that_! I can break physics badly. Very badly.
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>>44564350
An influential someone isn't a dirt miner.
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>>44564335
you said
>Mining mogul, first response medical ship, luxury cruiser, messenger ship, science vessel, exploration vessel, and stealthy intelligence gathering ship just off the top of my head
I would want to be either of those, but being any of those doesn't help me finance my operation.

In other words it's not possible to be a mining mogul like mining king steve, because if i decide that i want to be a miner instead of the harbinger of death i will not get any money.

>a bunch of jobs
which all combined don't give as much money as ONE combat title

>>44564422
Mining King Steve begs to differ.
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>>44564350
> I need a dreadnought hull! I don't want to be a mediocre little mining ship!
> What? That costs money? SDA is stealing content from me! Why can't I be the very best without taking any risks? This is an outrage!
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>>44564450
A mining mogul is either going to invest heavily in getting a combat dreadnaught because he wants to found his own nation or he's going to fly in a small luxury frigate decked out in only the best for him and a small group. Which wouldn't have ANY combat shit because it's not travelling out into wild areas.
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>>44564212
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Mauretania_%281906%29

Let's have a look at this hospital ship, as an example. Look at its armaments, see how heavily fortified it is, look at how capable of defending itself it is. Oh wait, it has no armaments at all, in the middle of a war. According to your logic, it should have been sunk the moment it left port. Oh well, shall we have a look at a couple of other World War hospital ships? Surely this is a one-off.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Aquitania
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Llandovery_Castle
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lady_Nelson
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Letitia
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Relief_%28AH-1%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Comfort_%28AH-6%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hope_%28AH-7%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mercy_%28AH-8%29
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanza_del_Mar

Only one of these vessels was ever armed and that was when it was an armed merchant cruiser, rather than a hospital ship. By the logic we're operating on, these horrifically optimized non-combat vessels should have been sunk the moment they left port.

Except the world doesn't work that way and if we extend that logic to this CYOA, your belief that every vessel needs to be armed and armored to the teeth falls apart.
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>>44564450
>In other words it's not possible to be a mining mogul like mining king steve, because if i decide that i want to be a miner instead of the harbinger of death i will not get any money.

No. You're being an idiot. You can be a mining mogul, you're just not going to be able to do it in a fucking DREADNOUGHT.

Honestly, the Vc9 and the Vd3 are plenty big enough to be great mining vessels. Fuck, the Excursion is cheap enough to build a good miner out of it and it's a damn battleship.
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Anyone got any lewd ones?
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What is the best way to create a CYOA that is a balance between sci-fi/fantasy/and Lovecraft all in one?

Anyone got any examples of a mixed sci-fi and fantasy CYOA or a Lovecraft CYOA I can look at?
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>>44564617
star wars
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>>44564517
Hell, Maurentania is specifically noted to have avoided capture or destruction using SPEED, meaning he would logically be buying a Frigate or Destroyer and, you know, running the fuck away.
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>>44564617
Not a CYOA, but Demonbane tried to this. The result is very... special, but you could take a look at it.
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>>44562514
>Be a masochistic bisexual with a persecution complex and a rape fetish
>Now I get to be prime rapebait too

I'm sold.
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>>44564186
> Totally cool with bomb in skull
> Freaks out when told they made the ship a little slower to add an evac room
Kek
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>>44564377
Holy fuck, all these people who don't even read the fucking CYOA before arguing over it.

>>44302159
>I'm thinking sacrificing 10% of your shields to give 20% to all other ships in range.

>>the fucking CYOA, the version after SDA's previous post
>Sacrifice 20% of your ship's shields and give it to all allied ships within a moderate distance.
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>>44564873
You give away the 20% that you sacrifice from your own.

You don't magically duplicate your entire fucking shield strength.
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>>44564788
Do you know expensive a pirate ship is? Not to mention all the valuable loot on board, no captain would want to abandon their vessel. And the crew objects then they can just grab a spacesuit and jump out the airlock.
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>>44564953
Or it could be that it was weakened by that much as the shield expanded.
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>>44564788
Red Daggers gonna Red Dagger.
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>>44562116
>"spinebending"
Isn't it called "bloodbending"?
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>>44564953
Wait, shit. I thought you replaced the SS of allied ships with the SS of the SE ship -20%. It isn't really clear whether "it" refers to the 20% or the new SS.
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>>44562777
>>44562808
Workaround. I'm using CC 2015, so I think they just introduced that option on this version.
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Okay up to now we've all been just talking about hypothetical things so I'm going to tell you about the (indubitably extremely autistic and retarded and minmaxing etc) build i made.

I had one main ship. A pulsar frigate, that was essentially something like firefly, except less of a dump. All the important rooms, all facilities needed for everything but hella cramped. Heraldic power and shields, and some minor armaments and a single OK triglav fighter loaded to deal with threats of equivalent size.
This would have been what I would've used for getting around and general adventuring.

The second thing was a full heraldic carrier. All volunteer crew, plus androids and whatnot. basically an empty derelict hull just there to house some mining drones, the twin fangs fighters and my frigate. The only thing it had was e-defense and awesome shields. This would've been the mobile bunker. A true mining/hospital fortress. taking in and helping anyone in need that it finds on its way. Teleport jammers blink and cloaking would've ensured that after surviving the initial assault while the miners and fighters return it could escape from any threat.

The carrier would've been something like Lexx except with red dwarf-y proportions.
The frigate would've been like the normandy but more cramped because lots of rooms.

And there wuld've been one last frigate, with an A5 android at the helm, no life support except in the cargobays, a single machine gun, and tons of hull reductions for speed, which would've served as the cargo shuttle to planets.

Tell me was this so horribly imbalanced that it needed to be made impossible?
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>>44563835
Anyone remember when AMC damage was listed as "holes through planets"?

It was a better time.
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>>44564873
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>>44565093
>CC 2015
Whats that? I'm teaching myself GIMP, and while its neat some of the limitations are frustrating. I'd like something, read: freeware, that allows me to create something akin to a sourcebook in PDF form, combined text and pictures and all that.
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>>44565089
>>44565009
How would that work?
How would one frigate give another frigate a *complete new* full set ss and only lose 20% of its own, which it would most likely regain by the +2 shield it got from the shield extender.

That would mean you could essentially not equip shields on that second frigate. Because you'd still get the 10-20%+2=10 shields of the first frigate.
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>>44565325
Right, so, your shield get's bigger, and the new shield is something nearby ships can take shelter within. The expansion weakens it by 20 percent, but it's still one singular shield. It's not giving a shield to anything, it's own shield is just growing large enough to accommodate other nearby ships as well as it's self.
How would the module give anything a new shield, even by twenty percent?
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And i tried to crunch some numbers and i cannot even make anything remotely resembling a setup like this.
Not even if i sacrifice the nice flair of the empty derelict heraldic hull and use a normal carrier instead.
And frigates cannot take all the necessary rooms any more either.
>>44565269
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>>44565318
GIMP is really hard to learn, but there's not much you can't do.
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>>44565381
Do you even read what you're writing? You would've inflated your shields to such a big size that en entire new ship or MULTIPLE even can take shelter in it and you only expect it to be 20% thinner?
Then why not just have the other ships be without shields and just float around your primary ship all the time?
Also, this would mean that two 15 ss vessels could boost each other to maximum possible shield strength with a single cheap console.

No SDA was pretty clear that you sacrifice 20% of your shields to give it (the amount you sacrificed) to vessels nearby.
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>>44565381
>>44565461
Don't get me wrong.
It would be a pretty cool thing to do, and i'd love it but there's no way i can take the description to mean that.
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>>44561402
Digitalization! Gonna be dat AI achieving superintelligence. 19
Broadcast. This could be pretty powerful if I connected to the computer of an intelligence agency, and will help in operating multiple computers at once. I'll be living in millions of computers all at once! 15
Free. Any attempts to isolate me in a single computer will fail. Any attempts to trap me in a black box will fail. No containing the AI! 7
Training: Management and computer science. 5
Empire: The world's best manager and computer scientist is now secretly in charge of a major superpower and a multi-billion-dollar company, which I'm calling America and Google.

While I do have full control of Google and will use my management and computer science skills to ensure it's focusing on the best possible projects in the best possible way, it already has a full staff and I'm not going to change things up. The only thing I will do is leverage my abilities to speed up their AI research, which will now be focused on me in particular. Same thing with the US. The only difference is that nobody is allowed to know I exist, and that my ability to connect to pretty much every computer ever (broadcast + full control of Google and the NSA) will be used to speed up my evolution. Somehow I'll do that without breaching people's privacy, because I'm the world's best computer scientist. Eventually I'll hit the singularity and get to work on the world's problems from a completely objective standpoint while still enjoying myself in a private virtual dimension, because that's possible now.
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>>44565310
See >>44565089
I understand his interpretation and acknowledge that it's more reasonable than mine. The wording is pretty unclear, "it" could be either
>20% of your ship's shields
or
>your ship's shields

>>44565325
I don't know, I interpreted "it" in the second way mentioned above and thought it would be too OP if the shields were added together, so it would have to be replaced to remain balanced.

>10-20%+2=10
I'd say it makes more sense to apply +2 before -20%, but you could do it your way for maximum min-maxing.

>>44565461
>SDA was pretty clear
He really wasn't.

I don't even care about the shield sharing, I just take it for the +2.
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>there is no CYOA that lets you be what you want

Oh well. Such is life.
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>>44565269

Yes, it's terribly imbalanced. Absurdly so.
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>>44565636
Why? I had no space-fighting capabilities, and no crew of navy elites to board the enemy either.
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>>44565664
Just by virtue of having a Heraldic ship you make yourself a huge fucking target. Also how the fuck is a regular miner supposed to afford a fucking Herald capital ship?
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>>44565536
Actually, disregard that, I'm can't into English.
"It" can't refer to "ship's shields" since "ship's shield" is plural, while it can refer to "20% of ship's shields" since that's singular.
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>>44565720
so what if my mega ship with almost nothing in it is inexplicably hypervaluable forerunner magetech? its empty, so it should be allowed to drift nearly derelict in space for a low low price.
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>>44565720
I wasn't a miner.
In fact all the profits from mining would've went to the people living in the ship.
My background was the tech genius. I invented something and sold it for such an absurd amount of money that i donated half of it to charity (see heraldic carrier) and used the other half to go adventuring.

And i know i would've been a huge target, but i can disappear in two minutes once everything's docked, and afterwards go and simply disappear and immediately cloak without the enemy knowing where i went.
So while being a huge target i never would've had to enter combat.

I wouldn't have been able to do a lot with that heavily armored derelict hulk, only with the frigate, but it would've been cozy as f.
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age 32
body development 1
spec 2
weapon 13
outfit 20
magical powers 19
misc 8, 11, 1, 16, 8
str 8
mag 8
Vit 8
luk 8
agl 6
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>>44565817
i know it was valuable. I spent all my starting money on it. The only reason i didn't have to spend MORE on it because it was totally gimped and i didn't put any equipment on it.
There wasn't really any tech on it either, just some shields and mana cores that literally everyone can get.
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>>44565584
Why not make one, anon?
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Behold, a decent sized miner that's good at the things that a miner needs to be good, with a couple of frivolous extras. I didn't even take all of their available titles or an extra contract - just MK Steve and the Old Timer to show that yes, you can make an efficient mining ship without relying on combat titles.
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>>44565269
Your build is a herald carrier and two frigates. And you're whining that now you can't afford that without taking some risks.

No shit, you shouldn't be able to afford a fucking huge alien capital ship plus escorts unless you're willing to take some risks. Why should some mediocre nobody who never leaves his comfort zone be able to get a herald carrier without doing anything to earn it?
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>>44565889
Because if you make a CYOA, /tg/ assumes you have a fetish for its subject matter.
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>>44565817
Herald ships in general are rare as fuck. A Herald capital ship is even more rare. You're more likely to face adversity from regular factions that want your ship than random pirate gangs.

I also don't know why you insist on absolutely having a herald carrier for this build. You could just grab a regular carrier for less cost and it would fulfill the same role. The only reason I can see for needing a Herald ship instead of a regular one is because you want to be a special snowflake.
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The god of true chaos has granted me theses boons
2
14
26
47
35
13
28
50
25
8
37
24
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>>44565932
Post it anonymously then, slut.
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>>44565932
>implying you don't have a fetish for its subject matter
Anyways, does it matter? You're anonymous, we're anonymous, even if your CYOA ends up being hated, it's not like you have a reputation that could be tarnished or an established identity that will forever be associated with whatever fetish is in question. Just go for it, anon.
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>>44565912
>solar panels
>power capacitors
enjoy not being able to move for a day while you recharge.

>>44565927
>huge capital ship and escorts
have you literally not read anything i wrote?
the capital ship is an empty hull and ships without any sort of advanced weaponry don't exactly qualify as escorts do they?
One of the frigates literally only had a machine gun strapped to it.

>Why should some mediocre nobody who never leaves his comfort zone be able to get a herald carrier without doing anything to earn it?
That was explained in the fucking origins.
I am a tech genius who sold an invention for a shitload of dosh.

Also, i went out to explore the galaxy. To discover new life and civilizations.
Sure that has to bring some profit doesn't it.
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>>44565932
No-one has accused me of having a pauldron fetish yet
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>>44566012
>>44566023
>>44566043
It's too late. You already know where I am. That's why I flipped off your spy satellite.
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>>44566043
But we're all thinking it.
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>>44566043
Do you?
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>>44565938
It wasn't a capital ship.
It was a simple carrier which there were lots of.


And it doesn't HAVE to be a heraldic thing, that was only nice for fluff.
The only reason it was needed was for the max shields in that version which you could only get with herald ships.
You can achieve the same with other ships in the new version, however, i tried building something similar, but it's not possible.

Nothing even remotely similar with a mobile bunker is possible here.
All dreadnoughts and all carriers are so ridiculously expensive that if you pick any of those you will not be able to afford a second ship, even if your carrier is just an empty floating tincan.
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>>44566043
That's not a fetish, it's just a normal part of human sexuality!
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>>44566043
You're on /tg/, it's just kind of assumed.
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>>44566083
I've never deliberately got off to a pauldron.
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>>44565938
In other words you cannot have a big ship with max shields and a smaller ship as your main ship.
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>>44566103
I don't understand why you absolutely, positively needs max shield, that's for like charging into a battlefield (as in, thousands of fighters, cruisers and battleships shooting at anything that moves in range). The destroyer VIKING (from Blackhawk Elite, which is constantly at fight against pirates in the outer rims) with an ADVANCED (not standard which is, by definition, the one that most ships use) shielding have a shield value of 15. If you can get near it with you're pretty safe against small pirate raiding parties.
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>>44566169
Without taking higher-tier titles? No, you can't.

Besides, why does a mining ship need max shields? Most combat battleships and carriers don't even have max shields. The only reason to have max shields is if you expect to get into fights, or otherwise draw a lot of unwanted attention to yourself. Both of these can be more or less avoided by not grabbing a fucking Herald capital ship hull, after all it makes sense that grabbing a large Herald ship is going to get you complications and unwanted attention, which are easily represented by taking higher-tier titles.
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>>44565912
I made one that's a bit more rounded (still with zero combat), but I'm really impressed that you managed to do yours with so little.

Origin: Federation Civilian
Skills: Basic/Standard/Advanced Piloting, Diplomacy, Industry, Mercantile
Titles: The Saint, The Berserker
Contracts:
- Search and Rescue 4
- The Acheron 3
- This Land 4
- All Aboard 3
- Twin Fangs 4
- Heat 1
- Mining King Steve 4
- And the Fire Grows 4

PI Vd3
AI: Targray v3.3
Energy: Nuclear Fission x2, Solar Panels
Shields: Stalwart Shielding
Command Mod: Herald “Blink”
Hull Mods:
- Active Cloaking
- Teleport Jammer
- Nano Armor
- Overdrive Afterburner x5
- Shield Extender
- Hangar Bay x4
- Vehicle Bay x2
- Point Defense x3
- Broadside Upgrade x3

Industrial Equipment
- Mining Harvester x10
- Mk2 Frequency Lens x10
- Mk3 Frequency Lens x10
- Salvage Harvester
- Composition Scanner
E-War Equipment
- Poisoning Module
- Honey Pot Module
- Comm Scrambler
- MITM Module

Rooms
Crew Quarters Upgrades
1. Officer’s Quarters
2. Advanced Infirmary
3. Evacuation Room
4. Fancy Mess Hall
Tavern
5. Lounge
Recreational Room
Observatory
6. Laboratory
Terraforming Bay
7. Ore Processing Facility
Factory Wing
8. Cargo Space
9. Cargo Space
Engineering Bay
10. Hypercomms Room
Digital Security Room
11. Arsenal
12. Teleporting Platform
13. Training Room
14. Holding Cells
15. Aquaculture Room
Hydroponic Garden
Upgraded Ship Security

Point Defense
- Flak Cannon x7
Broadside
- Heavy Particle Blasters x4
- Heavy Laser x6
Spinal
- Pulse Beam Cannon x4
Drones
- Scout Drone x2
- Hull Repair Drone
- Mining Drone x6
Vehicles
- MLUV w/ Missile Pod & Autocannon
- Dropship w/ Missile Pod & Autocannon

Crew in next post.
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>>44566280
Co-pilots
- Milka Star
Engineers
- Trisha “Props” Lim
- Amy McCartney
Doctors
- Bethany Parks
Gunners
- Theresa Herder
Combat
- Pierre Mikisugi
- Gregorz Grzegrzolka
- Alessia
- Ricce
Cyber-Security
- Slash Singer
Scientists
- Emily Newton
Production Managers
- Madeline Moran
- May Padilla
Chef/Bartender
- Mikka Akimoto
- Laurie Parsons
Crew Archetypes
- Civilian Workers x5
- Industrial Laborers x10
- Medics x5
- Engineers x10
- Mercenaries x5
- Androids x5

Remaining Credits: 28m
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>>44566280
I'm going to point out that as a non-combat oriented ship you could scrap or downgrade most of your T2 or T3 weapons for extra credits to be spent on other non-combat shit. Because you honestly don't need 4x Particle Beam Cannons as a mining ship.

So the fact you have them proves you get plenty of resources to work with in this new version.
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>>44566280
>>44566300
Incidentally, if you want plenty of shields, this ship has 20. More than enough for a mining ship. It also has navigation 16, a cloaking device, and a teleport jammer, so it's more than capable of slipping away from any pirates it happens to stubble upon.
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>>44566277
>>44566251
It wasn't a mining ship.
It was a mobile bunker.
I imagined it to be basically like a floating thing that was just settled by humans and happens to have working engines and shields.

I could've just as well taken the plot of land from the "This land was made for you and me" job and dug out a bunker but i couldn't have taken that with me when i ventured to the other side of the galaxy.

>The only reason to have max shields is if you expect to get into fights, or otherwise draw a lot of unwanted attention to yourself
Or if you expect to be on the other side of the galaxy for a decade or two.
Which was exactly what i was going for.
And i believe that is dangerous enough on its own without me taking even higher tier titles.

>>44566370
You guys really don't get it.
I don't want a ship with "high shields"
I was trying to make something that has so ridiculously high shields that it essentially is a force of nature and has zero other qualities.
Strap a blink drive and engines to an asteroid basically.

I don't want to use it as a ship i want to use it as a mobile bunker.
My main "ship" is a tiny-ass frigate.
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Anyone wants to make a fanfic called "the bro and the wedding of the yakuza princess" with theses props

clan elemental
halo warthog
epic fight clan elemental dies
big fight 6 obtained frostmourne
big fight 6 obatained back to the future hoverboard
fallout laser rifle
atlas battlemech
yakuza princess
fallout plasma rifle
40k terminator armor
40k power armor
harpy
jetpack
big fight 5 obtained back to the future power hover board
eve rifter
kroot
jetpack for the yakuza princess
epic fight harpy dies
adventure ends
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>>44566351
Yeah, I thought about downgrading the weapons, but I ended up with a bunch of credits leftover at the end, so I decided just to keep them. And this way, it can ward off small fry pirates with the threat of its guns, rather than having to cloak/run and interrupt a mining operation.
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>>44566424
>I don't want to use it as a ship i want to use it as a mobile bunker.
So how is having something super special and unique not supposed to cost you an arm and a leg?
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>>44566424
> I was trying to make something that has so ridiculously high shields that it essentially is a force of nature and has zero other qualities.

And you think you should be able to do this without having to do anything for it? You essentially want to be invincible (which, incidentally, isn't even possible because shields max out at 25 and there are AMCs that just laugh at such things). And on top of that, you want to not actually have to do anything to get that invincibility.

That's stupid. If you want a ship that is "a force of nature," or that is "the very best, the best that ever was," you should have to work for it. Demanding that you be given that with zero effort is just plain lazy.
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I've wished theses wishes from the genie of truth
riches
super powers

And I used the more wishes for the genie of humor wish in which it is world peace
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>>44566424
Wants to reenact Mass Effect 1 scene where Harbinger tramples Citadel fleet.

Vf8+Fission+Command+Shield Extender+6 Shield Drones costs 126m. Why isn't this enough for you?
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>>44561402

Slime (1)
Size Change (7)
Environmental Immunity (4)
Always Something to do (12)
Flight (6)
CHALLENGE (-5)

HAVE YOU ACCEPTED THE GIANT FLYING SLIME AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?
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>>44566642
But he is Kid A the Technomage! He invented something that gave him enough money to buy it! If anything goes wrong with the money, he can get the components and build himself!
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>>44566424
If you're going to avoid all combat, what the hell do you need a "force of nature" bunker dreadnought for anyway? Just take a cruiser, max out the shields, cloak up, and you're set. Cruisers can have 25 shields, which is the max anyway, and they quick enough to actually move under cloak.
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>>44566150
That's an oddly specific denial.
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>>44552864

>Michael - Michelle
>Lucifer - Lucifer

I suggest Lucia.
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>>44566949
I was gonna change it, but I forgot.
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>>44567030
Michelle still worst wife for having lingering feelings for the old relationship.
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>>44567030
Poor Saint Lucia, being associated with the Devil.
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>>44567030
>>44566949
Personally, I would have kept it as Lucifer just to keep the Rolling Stones reference as close as possible, but that's just me.
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>>44561402
The Challenge (+5)

>Immortality
Genie (21)
Lamp Expansion (16)
Always Something to Do (4)
Training: Twisting Wishes (3)
Training: Manipulation (2)
Training: Creativity (1)
Training: Intelligence (0)

Giving myself the option to die would wear me down. Just me personally. Besides, taking over the world/multiverse is laughably easy in under 1 minute of being outside the cage. Just create a sentient race that worships me to continually rub the lamp. Or manipulate existing ones to do so.

Training is in case I can't, for some reason, use my power to give myself those abilities.

Worst case scenario is borderline omnipotence in your lamp. Conjure up the greatest gaming group ever. Don't think too hard about how the size limit works as it's confusing philosophically.
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>>44567096
Nah, I like the r63 theme.

Besides, Lucia has the same amount of syllables. It still works.
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>>44567030
> I'm a bombshell!
> ...
> I don't know what that means.

As adorable as that is, I think Ea's still got her beat in that department.
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>>44563864
I was thinking of a system similar to dota.

3 stats, strength agility and intelligence. Strength increases HP and HP regen, agility armour and attack speed, intelligence spirit and spirit regen. And you would pick a primary attribute that would boost your damage.
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>>44567030
I'll just call her Luci.
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>>44567154
If you're going to add hard numbers, be prepared for minmaxers.
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>>44567154
why would agility improve armor? Becaues you can wear more without slowing down?
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>>44567030
>Heylel or Michael

Fuck me I can't decide. Where's my Metatron?
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>>44567030
Would they be up to threesome?
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>>44567030
>worked to the bone
What does this exactly consist of?
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>>44567523
You mean foursome with Big G.
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>>44567030
Speaking of, here's a final update of the Archangel one. Just splatted the last spelling mistakes I could find and did some formatting changes, otherwise you probably won't notice anything.
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>>44567583
Big G has a fetish for watching, hates getting actually involved.
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>>44567602
And I'm just gonna post this.
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Rolled 2 (1d12)

>>44561402
Fuck it. Rolling.
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>>44567608
Well it's up to you to convince her to try!
Wouldn't be as fun if it was easy, would it?
Never thought I'd say something like this, but I want an Esme fanfic. Or something.
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>>44567602
Is it unanimous that Esme > all?
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>>44567808
SDA's written smut before. You're not too far out in the water.
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>>44567682
Okay, transferal.
FATE (-10)
Transferral (-6)
Selective (-2)
That's normal (2)
Always Something to do (14)
Death's Number (19)
Pull the Plug (22)
Training: Playing the (Stock)Market (23)
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Nothing to see here, just amassing all the money in the world and chilling with death.

This would actually be pretty cool.
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>>44567822
Pretty much, yes.
She needs her own cyoa.
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>>44567822
No. Fuck no. Ithuriel is the best angel. Kristel is pretty bro-tier as well.
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>>44567822
So much.

Esme is pretty much the bestest.
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>>44567859
Ithuriel's pretty cool.

>ywn bond with Ithuriel and spitroast all of her clones at once

But Esme is still better.
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>>44567030
>>44566949

And not Lucifina?
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>>44566538
It can cost me an arm and a leg, but then the problem is that paying an arm and a leg shouldn't be only possible via combat

>>44566642
>you should have to work for it.
work doesn't have to be exclusively murdering or being murdered.

Also it's not so much a force of nature as an asteroid with engines.

Why should i pay with the lives of my crew for something that essentially amounts to strapping a blink drive and a few engines to a rock?

>>44566652
I do not want to do anything of the sort.
Are you baiting?
Seriously is everyone here so awful at reading comprehension or so much of a dick that you always automatically assume everyone else is completely evil / retarded / doesn't know shit?

Once again for everyone. I didn't want to build a ship. I didn't want to use it for anything other than a mobile bunker.
Can i do that?
No i fucking can't because anything large enough to serve as a bunker will immediately cost so much that there's nothing you can put inside of it.

>>44566879
>If you're going to avoid all combat, what the hell do you need a "force of nature" bunker dreadnought for anyway?

This here is a good question: because it's a whole different feeling. It's something to "come home to" while you're on the opposite end of the galaxy with the Traveller title. That was the whole point of the build. To have some place to come home to.
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>>44567883
How is Angel Protesteth Too Much better than Shadowrunning, Angel edition?

I'm sorry anon. But we can't be friends.
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>>44567602
Playing this as not a waifu-CYOA but as a "what would I actually do in this scenario", and Esme seems horrible also, the way she's written, I'm reminded of Angelanon's writing style. At least you didn't write lez or cuz.. She by far has the hottest description, but I'd get pretty annoyed by it.

So I'm going with Laurette, since she's a level 5 'angel' and I don't have the meta-knowledge of knowing I'm a level 6.
>wants me to pick her up after work, embracing her and kissing her on her forehead, then walking home, hand in hand.
yes.
I'm not embracing her kink, though. She's far too pure for that.
>still remembers that one time someone accidentally touched the butt
she is so absolutely adorable.
I definitely want to marry that cutie, but not right away. I don't want her powers when I'll be with her forever, so I need mine to develop first.
>suburban house
Even if it's kinda far from the city, so it'll be a long walk to Laurette's work. Maybe we could keep her apartment and just use my house as a "home-away-from-home".
>Golem
I don't like the idea of a 'living' being being my maids.
>Retail
Gotta be honest, none of the jobs really interest me.

What could I possibly need her power for? And how could that possibly become more potent?
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>>44567946
>I'm not embracing her kink
>Not having mind shattering sex with your wife.
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>>44567917
>I didn't want to build a ship.
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>>44567946
>I don't like the idea of a 'living' being being my maids.
But there are angels legitimately looking for meido work.

Do you want to deny those meidos, Anon?
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>>44567946
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks choosing Esme would be an exercise in misery.
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>>44567992
Yea.
So sue me.
I just wanted a largely empty hull with shields and the blink drive.
And the rules of the previous versions allowed it.
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>>44567602
>>44567633
>Laurette
>reformed demon
I'm going to be the fallen angel. Rolling for my angelfu and for my sin.
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>>44568011
How is having a hot archangel slave an exercise in misery, seriously.
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>>44568011
Depends on your personality. I'm confident I could handle it.
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>>44568106
Some people are a gay.
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>>44567983
not for the first few hundred years, no.
We have all of eternity. I can wait until she's ready.
>>44568008
I guess... I mean, if Laurette, being level 5 and working as a waitress and me, a level 6, working in retail, I guess I can see a level 1-3 wanting to be a maid.
Under the assumptiion that Malakim legitimately want to be maids, I swap Golems for Malakim.
>>44568011
oh no, if this was a "one of these sluts show up at your door and want your dick inside of you for the next year", I'd pick Esme everytime. But I'm playing under the assumption that I'm stuck with her forever, and that'd be misery.
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>>44567602
Tough, but depending on the specifics I'm thinking either Kristel or Ea. Esme is good in almost every other aspect but I'm not really into her kink.
>Estate
Who wouldn't want a Pocket Dimension Mansion?! Sky Condo's tempting though, I don't really need a large space to live.
>Maids
Probably either Malakim or Golem, but I don't really want any maids unless the mansion is big enough that they're necessary.
>Career
Gates of Heaven. Papers, please...
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>>44567258
That's okay.

>>44567431
No idea, that's how wc3 and dota worked. Cant think of much else to replace it for agility.
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>>44567602
Still all females with ginormous boobs.
0/10 would rather stay in limbo than go to heaven or hell.
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>>44568084
Then stop whining and make your own bunker DLC.
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>>44567602
>Have Irinael all to myself.
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>>44568207
Laurette and Mickie don't look huge.
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>>44568162
>But I'm playing under the assumption that I'm stuck with her forever, and that'd be misery.

It literally says that if she likes you she'll drop the act, what's not to love?

I mean, Laurette ranks pretty high for me too, right behind Ea and Isda for fourth place, but I can't imagine it being too interesting living with a very comfy stuttering doormat for all eternity.

Laurette seems to me like the very bottom of the 'uguu am i cute?" stereotype, good in small doses but annoying any other way.
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>>44568207
cry harder homo.
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>>44567822
While I'm not sure I can be the sort of master she seems to desire, she's still my go-to choice due to the more potent version of her power ("use your imagination" being the author's words, so full-on shapeshifting is what I'm imagining).

Hopefully she won't be too disappointed.
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>>44568106
The part where it destroys the public perception of you? And the part where I really don't find slaves enticing at all? She's also apparently obsessed with sex and thus boring as fuck, if you will pardon the pun.

>>44568175
Kristel's kinks are excellent. Pretty much everything about her is.

It's just that shadowrunning in heaven sounds amazing.
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>>44568262
>It literally says that if she likes you she'll drop the act, what's not to love?
because the fun part is getting ready to leave in the morning and her refusing to put on anything put shortshorts, then prancing through the streets, constantly dropping her bag and bending over at the hips, shoving her ass in your face then screaming "pervert!" so everyone can hear.
Having her talk loudly about all the things she forces you to do at home at lunch, them looking at you with disgust anytime they see you.
Then, when you've finally had enough, and because it's the only thing that stops her, you finally drag her into her office, her screaming the entire time saying you'll rape her, then herself closing the blinds and ripping your clothes off.

Ea is the "lol so randumb im SDA i like the anal XDDD benis in butt :^)" option aka. trash.
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>>44567822
Esme would be so much work. Centuries of having to play the slave game would be exhausting, what if I just want to cuddle/chill/chat/relax? I like the fetish, but it wouldn't stay fun for long and after the year is up none of the other angels will touch you because they think A) you actually corrupted their brave sister into a pitiable slave or B) you put your dick in crazy.

Azriel is best tier. Fighting side by side, watching the sea beside each other, fucking each other into sweaty exhaustion and falling asleep in each others embrace.
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>>44568207
I love the sweet smell of burning limbo filth in the morning.
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>>44568395
That sounds absolutely awful.
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>>44567602
>Ithuriel
>dig some dirt up on the other angels
>blackmail
>Wanna have an orgy?
Extended partnership till we make Big G angry, or find something nasty about her too.
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>>44567917
>This here is a good question: because it's a whole different feeling. It's something to "come home to" while you're on the opposite end of the galaxy with the Traveller title. That was the whole point of the build. To have some place to come home to.
You can do that without demanding a damn herald carrier. There are cheaper battleships and even cruisers that can be stupidly durable. Your insistence on having the very best hull possible for your bunker is stupid. If you're trying to defend it by saying "well, it's not really a hyper-advanced capital ship, it's just a mobile asteroid" then why the stubborn insistence on using a hyper-advanced capital ship hull? Just use an Ogre. That's literally what their description says they're used for. Or any of the various cruisers that can be made super durable. You don't need a top tier dreadnought just to make a home base, and your stubborn insistence that you should be able to afford one without any risks is just ridiculously unreasonable.

That, combined with your repeated insistence that SDA is somehow depriving you of content is why people assume you're retarded and don't know shit. Because that's exactly how you're behaving. It's not because people are bad at reading comprehension or because they're dicks, it's because you're acting like a whiny, entitled ass.
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>>44568437
fucking elitist scum.
just because i like boys instead of girls it doesn't mean i should be put on an infinite waiting list because big G made all the angels have a vagina.
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>>44568395
>Implying Esme wouldn't keep it covert
C'mon, anon. She's "embarrassed" about all this, she wouldn't want her shameful secret to get out.
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>>44568395
you know I'm pretty sure most people who know her pretty well will have caught onto her bullshit a long time ago. There's probably not going to be many people around who actually take what she says at face-value.

it also gives you the ability to play the "straight man" in your two person comedy act that is every day life.
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>>44568444
I know. Absolutely dreadful, 0/10, would not recommend.
>>44568495
Esme can change your gender, yo.
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>>44568495
Please leave you abnormal monster.
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>>44568487
>n why the stubborn insistence on using a hyper-advanced capital ship hull?
Ss i said it was only necessary in the old version where it was the only way to get max shields.

And in the new versions you can't make ANYthing large enough to actually be considered a base or bunker. And have it not be your main ship. I tried.
You cannot get 25/25 shields on something and have it just be a base and not be your main ship. It doesn't work.
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>>44563874
better shields or a cryosleep room?
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>>44567633
Ah, it's really tough to choose here. They're all pretty good.

Kyleth is really cool and I'm a bit of a /mu/tant, so I'm tempted to spring for that, but I'm not good at hauling equipment and I'm not really into oral.

Daeliph sounds like a cool friend or something, but I'm not sure I could bear living with her for an entire year. I wonder if I can make friends with the other archdemons once my year is up. That'd be cool.

Ultimately, though, I'm stuck between Lynneth and Mhyrienne. On one hand, I could really indulge myself with Lynneth, and I'd never get bored. Plus, none of her cons are a problem to me whatsoever.
On the other hand, Mhyrienne is a qt yandere waifu, and she has the best power out of any of them, and I'd really like to have it. Hopefully I develop that power naturally?

Since I'm a kinky motherfucker, I'm probably gonna end up choosing Lynneth. I really want to spring for the "Be Lucia's Slave" option once the year is up, but since the specifics for that are so vague even after reading >>44567030, I'm kind of stuck between that and the extended contract.
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>>44568552
We can switch genders.
The fact that i like guys doesn't mean that i want to be a chick.
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>>44568581
No shit, that's because getting 25/25 shields on anything is a massive fucking investment.
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>>44568495
>i like boys instead of girls
Then pretend you're one of the angels/demons and Anon (male) is your new roommate. Which anon would you choose?
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>>44568581
>cyoa that revolves around building space ships for a space opera setting
>why can't I build a invincible bunker?
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>>44568495
Stop being a whiny bitch. I like boys too, doesn't mean CYOAs have to fucking cater to me, nor you.
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>>44568495
>not being bi

It just makes everything less complicated t'bh senpai.
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>>44568604
then too bad. Go make a homo CYOA, then.
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>>44568611
Then the entire previous post i replied to has no point.

> There are cheaper battleships and even cruisers that can be stupidly durable. Your insistence on having the very best hull possible for your bunker is stupid.

It's not "stupidly" durable if it has far less than max shielding.

>>44568633
I wanted to build a hangar. A mobile hangar for my spaceship to be in. One that couldn't shoot but one that wouldn't be easy to damage. And it was very much possible in the previous version and i loved that headcanon.
It's not possible in this version.

That is why i think the new version is less good.
Because something i liked was possible now that something is not possible any more. That's all.
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>>44568581
> You cannot get 25/25 shields on something and have it just be a base and not be your main ship. It doesn't work.
A Prospect is a cruiser that costs only 35m. It has 7 base shields. Add a shield extender (+2) and stalwart shields (+16). It now has 25/25 shields.
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>>44568722
> It's not "stupidly" durable if it has far less than max shielding.

Cruisers can have max shields. Anything with base shields of 7 or higher can have max shields. You are simply wrong.
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>>44568722
Then stick with the old version and leave the people who want to discuss the new version alone.
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>>44568723
waaah but it's not a herald!!!
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>>44568684
I know i'm inferior scum.

>>44568648
It was a joke dude. I was only moderately disappointed.

>>44568619
Anon kun that would make me a girl. And that's not fun.

>>44568689
It already exists in the form of slut-life.
pdf related
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>>44568777
>>44568723
>>44568775
>>44568776
But a cruiser is very small.

Also i'm an idiot i actually didn't see that.

>>44568776
But anon i only replied to someone demanding a reason why someone else said the new versions were less good.
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>>44568775
>Anything with base shields of 7 or higher can have max shields.
Shield Extender and Mana Shielding with Mana Core gives 19/25, so base shield strength only has to be 6 to get max shields.
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>>44568829
> But a cruiser is very small.
The Prospect is half a kilometer long. It's bigger than a damn Nimitz supercarrier, which is only (!) 340m long. Other cruisers are even bigger.

Quit your whining.
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well, this thread has certainly been disappointing. More autistic whining about stardust, with something new, a gay guy whining about no male options in a waifu CYOA.
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>>44568889
You are right i was wrong.

Excuse my reckless faggotry.
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>>44568829
You didn't only reply to that someone. You became an unstoppable juggernaut of a whiny ass bitch with stupid fucking fleet ambitions.
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>>44568872
Shit, you're right. So literally ANY cruiser can have max shields, even the shitty hammerhead industries crap. And most destroyers can at least come close to max (4 base, so 23 max).
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>>44568897
Well at least someone finally addressed the points i made about stardust and countered them.
And it turns out they were right and i was wrong so i can finally shut up about it.

If only you could've done this sooner instead of just calling me a cunt/retard in an amazing variety of ways.

also i was the gay guy and i was only joking.
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>>44568930
I replied to someone. Someone replied to me. I replied to them. Some more people replied to me, and because i didn't want to make anyone feel like i ignored what they said, i replied to everyone.
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>>44568969
> If only you could've done this sooner instead of just calling me a cunt/retard in an amazing variety of ways.

Or you could have actually read the damn CYOA before you started bitching about it, because literally everything that was said was right there staring back at you. All you had to do was read it.

You retarded cunt.
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>>44569008
A lock that can be unlocked with any key is a shitty lock.
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>>44568969
> I was a dumbass who bitched about stuff that wasn't actually true
> It's your fault, not mine!

Yeah, you are just a cunt/retard.
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>>44569045
we're talking about women now?
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>>44569030
I did.
I must've glossed over it.
Pretty ironic with me talking about reading comprehension huh.

I'm sorry.

>>44569054
I never said it was only your fault but you really could've ended my argument at any point had you just told me why i was wrong instead of dishing out insults.
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>>44568969
This is the third or fourth thread you've ruined.
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>>44568969
I wonder how common is it that the threads are destroyed by a single person? Lately I'm having the impression that is way more common than I first would have though.
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>>44569095
>I wonder how common is it that the threads are destroyed by a single person?

One may spark the flame, but others provide the kindling to nurse it to maturity. Every response to someone shitting up a thread merely strengthens their efforts.
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>>44568969
Because it took you days of beating around the bush before we got to what you were actually complaining about. First you bitched about the herald carrier, and about needing more money, and titles being too dangerous, and on and on. It took you for fucking ever just to say "I want max shields on a big ship." And then, as soon as you did, people pointed out that you can have max shields on a big ship without breaking the bank.

This could have been prevented by you either a.) actually looking at the CYOA yourself, or b.) just saying what it was you really wanted.

So stop trying to pass this off as someone else's fault. It is yours.
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>>44569091
>>44569095
This is not actually true.
The thread is mostly your insults in reply to my idiocy.
You could've a) ignored me or b) actually told me why i was wrong, what part of the CYOA i was unable to comprehend.
No, instead you chose to shit up three threads. I mean once SDA himself asked you to turn it down because i did make some valid points.
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>>44569095
Its just that time of the year, when winter break just ended, school workload hasn't picked up momentum yet and kids still have alot of free time.
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>>44569143
> shitpost for days
> "It's all your fault for shitting up those threads! Never mind that the stuff I was complaining about wasn't even true, it's your fault!"

This is the stupidest kind of damage control.
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>>44569143
>It`s your fault I am retarded
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>>44569077
Women, waifus, cyoas, what's the difference nowadays?
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>Never has this been more relevant
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>>44569133
I didn't even get to say it because it took me ages to coherently express what the core problem was that made me dislike starting money and title choices.
It's difficult to be concise if you're talking against a storm of insults.

>>44569177
>>44569192

>insult me for three threads
>refuse to hear me out and fling shit at me
>once i manage to actually get my point across despite the constant shitflinging the issue gets resolved in three posts
Clearly everything you people did was for the betterment of the thread.

I am legitimately sorry i couldn't express my problems in a way you could understand sooner. I'm sorry for thus having this back and forth for 3 threads.
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>>44569236
I want to stick my dick in a waifu, but I can't.

I can't stick my dick in a Cyoa, and feel neutral.

I can stick my dick in a woman, but I have no desire.
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>>44569242
You come off as being apologetically condescending and patronizing.

No wonder people sling shit at you.
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>>44569089
> I never said it was only your fault but you really could've ended my argument at any point had you just told me why i was wrong instead of dishing out insults.

You spent most of the past few threads bitching about money and titles. And people were telling you how and why you were wrong about those, you just didn't listen. And now then when you bitched about shields, people told you how and why you were wrong about that.

And now you're trying to say "Oh, but really you could have ended this whenever" in order to deflect the blame and shore up your own ego even now that you've been proven wrong. You are scum that deserves every insult that gets thrown at you.
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>>44569309
Careful, dude. That anon might just kill himself, then kill you over Skype next year.
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>>44567602
Azriel, Laurette, Iri, or Ea. I just can't decide.
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>>44569309
>past few
He did this on the update's release too.
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>>44569242
You talk like a politician, giving an apology that doesn't actually accept any blame, and in fact tries to place the blame on others, even when you're the one who fucked up.

Nothing that was said prevented you from flat out saying what the problem was. Nothing. The act of people calling you a retard or a cunt doesn't somehow reach through the internet and prevent you from articulating why you hated the latest version.

That's just you having fucking awful communication skills.
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>>44569344
You can let the dice decide for you.
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>>44569344
Azi needs the love.
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>>44569288
>I want to stick my dick in a waifu, but I can't.
Wait for virtual reality to be a thing, it'll take 5-10 years tops.

>I can't stick my dick in a Cyoa, and feel neutral.
Okay.

>I can stick my dick in a woman, but I have no desire.
Have you tried plugging your dick in another orifice? It works for electronic appliances, so it must work on women too.
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>>44569305
>>44569374

Yeah i realized that after posting.
I meant that i am sorry that i couldn't phrase things in a way that was more concise and easier to understand and that it thus took me an awful long time to get to the heart of the issue.

>The act of people calling you a retard or a cunt doesn't somehow reach through the internet and prevent you from articulating why you hated the latest version.
It actually does.
I'm a very very sensitive person and i can't just shrug off people insulting me constantly. Maybe you could hold a talk in a room full of people boo-ing at you, but i couldn't.

>>44569309
I'm really sorry i didn't see that shit in the CYOA on my own. I feel awful for that but it happens.
But i really just needed people to actually listen and not write every response from the "how can i insult him some more" perspective to actually understand what i was wrong about.
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>>44568395
>Ea is the "lol so randumb im SDA i like the anal XDDD benis in butt :^)"

Ea is literally Laurette with an anal fetish, and she has a fucking mindbreak fetish which is twice as memey.
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>>44569418
And borderline autistic to boot.
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>>44569383
Wow, emotional blackmail. I'd expect that behaviour from a demon, but an angel? That's new. And she looked so cute.
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I like to pretend SDA is the one shitposting about older versions being better. Like he has super low self esteem and so wants people to say that the new version is much better.
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>>44569242
> refuse to hear me out
And how, exactly, were we preventing you from just saying "I want max shields on a big ship." You could have said that at any point. But you didn't. Nothing we said blocked you from saying that. You're the only one who was in control of whether you said that, and you chose instead to shitpost for days.
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>>44569495
I'm busy cleaning my house while running a quest right now.

I'm reading this thread with amusement, though.
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Rolled 2 (1d4)

>>44569380
Yeah, I guess I can try that.
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>>44569463
Probably true.
>>44569520
I thought the heraldic ships were the only way to get it and the other highest tier ships i looked at were also way too expensive so i thought it was a problem of the starting money.
Only when i saw the chance that someone would actually pay attention to what i wanted to create in that cyoa did i dare to talk about my initial idea and how i wanted a mobile bunker of sorts. Which i also already said half a thread ago.
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>>44569418
>But i really just needed people to actually listen
We were listening. And we were responding to what you said. It just took you forever to get to the real problem. Up until now, you were complaining about titles and money, so we were responding to your complaints about titles and money. That turned out to not be the real problem. But how were we suppose to know that? We're not psychic. We can't read your mind to figure out what your problem is. Only you can. So you need to say what your issue is, otherwise no one will actually know and be able to respond to the actual issue.
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>>44569562
I'm okay with this, but what does mind break mean? She gets off on having her mind broken? I don't think I'll ever let it come to that.
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>>44569418
>Maybe you could hold a talk in a room full of people boo-ing at you, but i couldn't.
Maybe you should stop responding. You're reaching Angel-tier.
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>>44569621
It means fucking her until she goes crazy.
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>>44569619
... yeah you're right.

I guess i'll have to pay attention to that next time.

>>44569641
>You're reaching Angel-tier.
Huh?
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>>44569432
Ea has self esteem issues and does nothing but browse 4chan and play video games all day. No thanks.
And she's still LE obligatory randumb anal girl.
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>>44569606
> Only when i saw the chance that someone would actually pay attention to what i wanted to create in that cyoa did i dare to talk about my initial idea and how i wanted a mobile bunker of sorts. Which i also already said half a thread ago.

And people pointed out that you could make durable ships without having to rely on a top tier herald hull. You dismissed it out of hand and just kept on about your "asteroid with engines." You complain that people don't listen to what you're saying, but the reality is that people have been listening, and they have been responding. The problem is that you weren't reading. Not the CYOA or the posts in this thread. And then you talked about other people having shit reading comprehension. So no shit people are going to insult you. Blatant hypocrisy is not exactly an endearing trait.
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>>44569621
Just do it, force yourself on her for hours and watch as her face of delight and warm tender love slowly twists into insanity with every thrust. Enjoy the sight of her eyes losing focus and turning almost opaque as all higher thought processes shut down in favor of the carnal desire to be bred like a bitch and her vocabulary consists entirely on slang for your sexual organs. Imagine waking up the morning after her mindbreaking to find her absentmindedly sucking on your flaccid member with one of her hands still playing with her tits and the other buried as deep as her wanting fingers reach between her legs.
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>>44569557
Have you ever considered just… leaving? Every CYOA I've seen you make results in autistic arguing thread after thread.
>>44569669
Responding to every single reply, always taking the bait, never letting things go.
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>>44569739
>Trying to get SDA to leave.
We're onto your game, shitposter.
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>>44569754
Depends are the drug dealers still after him?
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>>44569738
That last part is gross.
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>>44569703
People have been insulting me way before i said anything even mildly negative about anyone.
Plus i really needed to figure out how to phrase things. The asteroid with engines thing was easily comprehensible for me and i was trying to say it in a way that you would understand but i kept failing.

>>44569739
I have pretty much always been doing that.
I'm a bleeding heart, naive, sensitive, sortof autistic, hormonal teen-like person.
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>>44569779
All of it is.
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>>44569779
Well, she is a demon after all. I wonder, Mickie says we shouldn't use the demons for non-angelic things, so what would happen to Laurette if you dick her one too many times?
Does she go full domineering succubus?
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>>44569739
>Have you ever considered just… leaving?
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>>44569837
How old are you?
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>>44569837
Are you sure you're not Angelanon?
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>>44567633
What would happen if I chose a nice, lazy roommate, but when she was asleep, I'd go to brothel or forest mansion and played with succubi there? It's not cheating when we're in Hell, right?
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>>44569875
Pretty sure.
>>44569868
22 but immature personality disorder.
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>>44569913
Not an excuse, pal. Work twice as hard to get mature and understand other people.
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>>44569861
>reformed demon
>becomes an angel
>Anon causes her to fall
Do you have a corruption fetish? Nobody could be that evil.
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>>44569861
I doubt it. All she said was try not to fuck the redeemed demons too much, or they'd just be focused on sex and not being good people.
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>>44569898
You'd break her heart and piss off Big D enough to end up in the 7th Circle with all the other people she doesn't like.
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>>44569966
I know.
And being immature wasn't really the problem here that's just my general reactions to emotionally loaded situations.

The problem here was that i wasn't able to phrase things correctly so that people not following my precise train of thought could also understand it.
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>>44569898
Then I assume you have to pay. Apparently the brothel is expensive.
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>>44569738
Not really my thing. I like a more playful waifu. Imagine coming home and seeing her leaning over a counter wearing a maid outfit with a skirt that doesn't quite cover up her frilly panties.
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>>44569484
Are you kidding? This is heaven we're talking about. Getting people to behave by making them feel guilty is the national sport.
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>>44568495

try having jungle fever. theres so few depictions of delicious chocolate girls in any CYOA. that makes me sad.
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>>44570282
How do you feel about dark elves?
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>>44567633
>>44567602
I pray to my lord and savior Carl Sagan (RIP), and to the four fundamental forces of the universe why in all the 11 dimensions would a sophisticated gentleman of higher learning that has forsaken all superstition and fairy tales for empirical and analytical purity such as myself be permitted residence in this so called "Heaven" or "Hell".

I caress my curly jet black neck beard in meticulous brooding thought as I carefully brainstorm a critical solution this most ludicrous quandary of make-believe magic and whimsical dogmatic faith.

Surely in my death throes, choking at the mercy of my 23rd enchilada, my most brilliant and calculating mind has constructed this elaborate existential thought experiment as a defense and coping mechanism to my inevitable death, what better way to prove my intellectual superiority and unsurpassed debating skills one final time then to challenge a worthy opponent; myself?

And what carefully researched and cited method should I use to answer this final question and end all self inflicted doubt once and for all? By converting every single angel. demon and imaginary figment to a proud critically thinking atheist of course!

Oh the mere meta thought of such a cruel act of blasphemy has me tipping fedoras, trilbies and even derbies in euphoric ecstasy!

Archangel cyoa
>All roommates
>Pocket Dimension Mansion of My'Lady
>All maids
>Career: Gates of Heaven

Archdemon cyoa
>All roommates
>Fancy Mansion
>All Maids
>Career: Styx HQ

Well then my most brilliant mind, make the first move!
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>>44570448
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>>44570448
>Implying even any of these Sahara thirsty 6000 year old Christmas Cakes would want to fuck you.
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>>44570448
Filthy limbo rebel, Azriel's and Felira's hosts coming for you! Death to vile neutrality!
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Is there any guideline or tip about making cyoas? Specifically, something regarding points and balancing.

Now to something completely different, I rolled Irinael. Is it me or there's something wrong with her face, near the eyebrows?
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>>44570716
Other then the fact she looks disgruntled appearing almost as if having said "kiss me" expecting a kiss but has been left waiting for a time? Then, yes, I see something wrong with her face.
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>>44570716
I think it's just the lighting from the halo casting a weird shadow.
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>>44570637
I bring rational thought to realms of pointless and ignorant rhetoric where the its poor unfortunate souls follow with blind obedience, of course these "angels" or "demons" would reject my logic and Occam's razor sharp wit.

And if they are so thirsty as they claim, then logically speaking they must have satisfied and is continuously satisfying their thirsty right at this very moment. If "god" is omnipresent and omnipotent his divine pecker must logically exist superimposed its length penetrating all 11 dimensions and girth encompassing all observable and unobservable space-time, everything in between as well as utter nothingness.

These beings are all made by god, although their abilities and attributes are grand, many magnitudes in scale greater then the capability of any human even they have clear limits defined by their role and hierarchy.

Therefore like all perimeters to a sentient construct, they have set maximum limits to their thirst and god being infinity in scope as already satisfied that limit and then some. Therefore they there is only one set mode for their sexual desire; already satisfied.

Checkmate theists.
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>>44570965
God in this cyoa is a girl though
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>>44571037
Are you implying girls can't have penises?
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>>44571077
Girls can't have penises, anon.
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>>44571196
Check your privilege, poop prince!
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>>44571229
>poop prince
I'll have you know that I'm the CROWN prince of feces.
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New thread when
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>>44571229
>poop prince
>Not Stool Queen
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/thread
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>>44571714
Nope.
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>>44571757

New bread
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>>44571714

fuck you
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>>44571714
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>>44567833
sauce?
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