>>34348664 The author might have been insane and a tosser, but I kind of wanted to see where that insane tosser was going with goblins. If you ignore the terrible art and writing, the underlying ideas were kind of neat sometimes.
>>34348814 Yep. The maze of many, if done as an actual adventure and not done shit like it was, would have been a p. good dungeon. Every encounter is with random alternate versions of the player characters, so players would know who to target first (usually).
I just want to know what the plot was going to be. Okay, he was a shitty DM who kept fucking over his PCs but at least show us your notes if you're going to stop the campaign. Just where the fuck was everything going?
>>34351862 You're not pulling me in. Needs to be more subtle, less open begging. Don't ask for money; say you know you don't deserve it and you totally understand if I don't want to give you it, but if for some reason I do want to, here's the donate button.
>>34350316 The last time anything was mentioned was like...May 13th or something. Shits dead in the water. I followed it for a long time, I didn't mind the art or the huge plot holes. What made me quit was the bullshit and pandering that would happen between updates. I think the final straw for me was when he posted the "mental breakdown" picture he had drawn. I took one look at the amount of detail put into that thing, read his comment about how he "didn't know what he was drawing at the time" and just shook my head.
>>34359717 Well, ostensibly, from his long rambling blog/post, he quit because he got behind on the deadline and then basically had a series of panic attacks and eventually a breakdown due to falling behind.
Most people say it was because that part of his plot is sublimation of his mothers rape as told by some of the characters and having a rape storyline angered a whole load of SJW. Supposedly, they put pressure on him, as I recall because they said that content shouldn't be in a webcomic/he wasn't taking it seriously/he was trivialising rape/etc and so he quit.
Its all kind of nebulous mess not made better by Thunt himself and his stupid blog/rant ender.
>>34359717 I have his all of hit blog posts detailing it in .txt form in my /tg/ folder. It's 6500 words long. Even the last, post, where he tries to explain it (basicly green texting it) 18000 characters. I can cut it up and post it if you like
>>34360410 -Tarol grows up with his single mom, his Nana (grandmother), and his two sisters. -Tarol is raised under the belief that feminists are the goodguys. They fight sexism. You know... like the Superfriends. -Teen Tarol learns his mom was kidnapped for 3 days and raped by 4 guys before he was born and realises that for his whole life, he's been watching her get over this. -Tarol spends his life fantasizing about meeting these men and kicking their asses. -Tarol has become an adult, who's moral compass is largely formulated around women's rights, a respect for feminism and a deep disgust for rape. As well as an immeasurable respect for rape survivors. -Tarol asks for his mom's permission to loosely incorporate her story into his comic (with a promise that he'd never, ever tell anyone about it) -Tarol feels good about himself. He never got to to punch those guys, but he did his thing in his own way. -Note: Tarol's mom is like a fucking Decepticon when it comes to inner strength. She's beaten the situation better than him and it never even happened to him. The respect he has for her is massive and he looks up to her as an example of what strength is. -Tarol marries Danielle, also an incredibly strong person. -So now we everything set up for this fun roller coaster ride... Tarol's childhood, growing up in a house full of women, his sense of self worth based on his moral opposition to rape and sexism. His belief that he is a strong, courageous person, his respect and love for the two people he loves and looks up to (his mother and his wife) and his respect for the Superfriend-like feminists who fight against the evil misogynists and rape apologists. Are ya ready? Please keep your hands and feet in the cart at all times. Here we go!
-Tarol tweets a stupid joke about how he needs hypnosis to get laid. It was meant to make fun of himself, but is seen by many as a rape joke.
>>34360442 -Tarol gets a wave of hate mail and sees some blogs written, calling him a rape apologist, misogynist and worse. Many of these people are themselves, rape-survivors, who's opinion holds a lot of weight for him. -Tarol apologizes in his blog, but doesn't do a great job. More angry emails. Some more blogs. One written by respected author, Jim C. Hines. -Tarol panics and writes another apology blog. -This is the permanent end to Tarol's clean record. Periodically, he'll receive an email from a rape survivor, explaining how terrible he is. Months later, in an online argument with a lady about an earthquake, she calls him "rape-boy". The rape apologist label had apparently bled outside of his comic readers. -Time passes and a vocal rape survivor writes a post somewhere about how Tarol loves rape so very much. Why did she write this? Because (by her own admission) she'd seen ONE page of his comic. Not-Walter being rescued by Kin and threatening Minmax38. Not-Walter called Minmax38 a "bitch" and said he'd be "dog piled" in hell (meaning attacked and and tortured/killed). Misunderstanding the the page, she thinks Not-Walter is saying this to Kin and thinks "dog pile" means rape. She paints Tarol as a champion of "rape LOL" assholes. Again, her opinion as a rape survivor defaults to hold more weight that it should. -Tarol freaks out and posts a blog ridiculing her, which was a bad, bad, bad thing to do. Now, Tarol is in a very public battle... against a rape survivor. -Her tumblr response is reblogged a bunch and Tarol finds himself becoming known for finding rape to be hilarious and awesome, and bullying rape survivors. The kind of man he grew up fantasizing about beating up.
>>34360457 -One of her supporters links her to the Goblins page where Dellyn is smiling and explaining to Minmax about how he rapes Kin and Minmax is laughing about it. She blogs this as further proof of what kind of man I am. She makes no mention of the very next page where Minmax realises what Dellyn is saying and defenestrates him. More reblogs and more blogs written about how disgusting Tarol is. -Tarol's mom tells him to go public with the reason why there's rape in the comic (Notice how my mom immediately offered to sacrifice her own privacy to help me. See what I mean by strength?) Tarol says no. He made a promise. Maybe one day he'll go public, but it won't be for self preservation. It won't be for the wrong reasons. -The person blogs that she's gotten she's gotten 4000(I think it was 4000? I can't go looking through the history for this. If someone who remembers these events can confirm, I'd be grateful.) of rape/death threats from Goblins Fans. This is obviously a lie. Not only are Goblins readers generally better than that, but at that time, Tarol just doesn't have the reader base that can make numbers like that happen in the time frame she's claiming. -Tarol concludes that even if only one person threatened her, it was because of him, and so he's responsible. He publicly apologizes and treats her claim of 4000 as truth. -Tarol then contacts her and personally apologizes, asking if there's anything he can do. -She tells him to publicly renounce all his readers as rape apologists and misogynists. Tarol... well... asks what else he can do. -She explains that she's so stressed, she's shaking and sick. Tarol says he'll write another blog, telling his readers once again to leave her alone (which he then writes). He suggests she step away from the internet for a bit. Go for a walk. Talk to a friend. And says he's happy to talk again if she likes. -She blogs about how Tarol demanded that she "GET OFF THE INTERNET!".
>>34360471 -Seeing that it is impossible to do anything without this situation continuing to hurt large amounts of rape survivors, Tarol blog-apologizes one last time, accepting full responsibility and promising never to mock anyone on his blog again. -She responds with calling him and his readers "neck beards". -she spends the next couple years "hate reading" Goblins and periodically blogging about Tarol's evil. -Eventually, it sinks in that Tarol was far worse than her. She lied about 4000 strangers threatening rape, which was disgusting. But Tarol, backed that lie up and in doing so, falsely accused 4000 people of rape threats too. Not strangers though, his own fucking readers. -So now Tarol is known by many as a guy who just loves rape. I mean he just fucking LOVES it, right? And more than once (Well, twice, but that counts as more than once), this image extends outward to feminists he later meets online online. They've heard of him. Not because of a goofy, little comic, but because he's that misogynistic, sociopathic, rape apologist who loves to bully survivors. -More time passes and the "you're a misogynist" emails trickle in. Sometimes months go by with nothing and sometimes a half dozen of them come on a single day (possibly someone writing a blog somewhere). -All this time, Tarol's mom has been insisting that he go public about the details of the rape. -Tarol makes the decision to post the blog explaining what happened to his mom. Worst fucking thing he could have ever done. -Eventually he realises that he broke his initial promise. He went public with it, not for his mom or to raise awareness about rape in general, but for one reason. To save his ass.
>>34360488 (Now think about this for a moment. My mother, who had actually experienced this, beat it. She got to a point where she felt NO trauma. She never once used it for attention or leverage and not once did she make any forced attempts to identify or validate herself with it. But me... someone who who only HEARD about it... well there I was, using it as a shield and hiding behind it.)
-Tarol feels destroyed. He had established himself as a misogynist, rape apologist, monster... To save himself, he had pointed at his own readers and said "Yup, they MUST have threatened rape" when he knew they didn't... And he'd sold out his mom's experience to protect himself, proving that he was nothing like her. Her, the person who represented strength and honour and he'd vowed to be like. -Tarol later posts a blog about how everyone he'd ever fought with online ever, was awesome. Yes, you read that right. Desperate for a sense of positivity, he holds up his hands and declares everyone who hates him to be awesome. He compares them to the most awesome person he's ever met... his wife. Because she's awesome.
(As bad as it was to validate every single person I've ever disagreed with, that wasn't my rock bottom for patheticness.)
-Now Tarol craves validation himself. Not from his wife, mom or close friends, because they love him and would say what he wanted to hear. He needs it from an outside party. From someone who's opinion he valued very, very highly. He needs The Superfriends. -Tarol approaches a small group of feminists online and asks as politely as he can, for recommendations for for feminist literature to read. It's lame, but his hope is that the feminists will say "Oh, you clearly care about women and are in no way a misogynist, rape apologist. You're such a great guy!".
(Yup, that's right. I had fucked myself up so much, I went looking for a pat on the head and a "good boy" from feminists. That, uh... that was bad. But that was still not my rock bottom.)
(Alright, set the the ship for Sarcastic Speed, Warp "Oh Terrific", because this is gonna get really sarcastic)
-Tarol quickly finds himself being called all those lovely things again. But he's going to do it right this time. No mocking, snarkiness or rudeness. Just respect and patience. Tarol thinks that if he is respectful and lets them walk all over him... they'll see that he's okay. Then he can get a pat on the head and get his... um... dignity back? (Yeah, I see the absolute lack of logic here, too). -So... how can they possibly call Tarol those awful things after all that politeness and respect? Well Tarol learns how! Because he's a troll, of course! A rapey, rapey troll! And the more polite he is, the more it confirms that it MUST be an act! The logic is air tight, too! Y'see, because Tarol is a sociopath misogynist, he has no emotions. Therefore any emotions he displays are obviously some sort of trick! Of course! (I'm not even kidding. Seriously, this was all openly explained to me in the Twitter conversation I had.) -The more Tarol let's them walk all over him, the more they do it. "I hear what you're saying, but I'm honestly not the things you're calling me." "Aw, the sociopath kittah is pretending to have emotions! D'aawww!" -So THEN what is Tarol doing? After hours of politely putting up with their abuse, is he telling them to fuck off and walking away from the computer?No, of course not! He's linking them to his blog that explains how everyone he's ever argued with online is awesome! Yup, that's right! He's calling them all awesome. (Now I know you're thinking "this HAS to be his rock bottom". Nope. We're drilling even deeper. Get Bruce Willis and Steve Buscemi over here, cause we're goin' Armageddon!)
>>34360513 -So the feminists read his blog post that calls them awesome and talks about how amazing his wife is and how much he loves her. So then they see that he's not a rapey, sexist sociopath, right? They apologize and realize that they've been fucking decimating a a guy that for some reason, holds their opinions above even his own and is too stupid to stop exposing his jugular, right? FUCK NO! They see right through that bullshit and notice that it's further proof that Tarol is a sociopath, misogynist with no emotions! "People with REAL emotions don't use their wives as meat shields". Well said, you bastion of equality! Expressing constantly for over a decade about how amazing his wife is, is the lowest form of misogyny! Tarol sure is learning a lot about himself this day! Y'see, he never loved his wife at all! He can't, remember? No emotions! It's explained on Twitter, that he uses her to hide his misogynistic ways by pointing at her and declaring "Oh, I'm a misogynist? #WRONGBECAUSEWIFE!" It makes so much sense, now! The 12 years of caring for each other! The dreading being apart for even an hour! Us being best friends and doing everything together! The marriage! Me taking her last name instead of her taking mine! All sociopathic, sexist tricks! -For those who don't understand why their words hold so much weight, let's explore the Superfriends comparison. If Lex Luthor calls you an asshole, it's no no big deal. He's Lex Luthor. If he hates you, it just means you're probably a good person. But if Superman calls you an asshole... and then Batman and the Flash back him up... well that'll ruin you! I mean, those guys are awesome! And if THEY hate you... well you MUST be an asshole!
>>34360525 -Well now that Tarol's self image and relationship with his wife had been turned into two smoking craters, the small group of feminists click back though his blog and find the post about how his mother was raped by four men. And yup, you guessed it! It's all lies! ...Apparently. Y'see, Tarol made the WHOLE fucking thing up! WHY would he do that? So he can say this, of course... "You think I'm a rape apologist? #WRONGBECAUSEMOM!" It's all explained to him on Twitter. -Well now hang on a second... Tarol remembers that his so-called "mother" has a blog where she talks to other rape survivors and writes about her own experiences. He then politely (yup, he's still being polite. What a trooper. :meh: ) links that blog to the feminists. That's it Tarol! You keep exposing more of that jugular, buddy! -I wonder how long it'll take them to to declare that the entire fucking blog is... Oh, THERE IT IS! The blog is fake and "obviously" written by Tarol. That was fast! Good work, Superfriends! Well what evidence do they have for this claim? I mean, they're declaring that a rape claim is false! Isn't that exactly what feminists are fighting against? There must be some massive evidence to show it's all an elaborate lie. Well there IS actually. TWO pieces of evidence that simply cannot be ignored. Once YOU hear of this evidence... you too, will understand that Tarol clearly made this all up. - First, Tarol's "mother" said in her blog, that as a child, he was her "paladin". As one of the feminists noted... "No mother talks that way about their kids". And she knows! Because she said that she's a mother herself! And I'm sure that those kids' self esteem is... AWESOME! But she's right though. No mother says "paladin". EVER! Not even if they play D&D all the time, like my fake pretend mother did.
>>34360536 -The second piece of evidence is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore! Get ready, because I'm going to quote one of the feminists directly... the way Tarol's fake pretend mother's blog is written... "just reeks of male". Hmmm... interesting. Well I say case closed! That shit's faker off brand Twinkies! -At the time, some Goblins readers who are watching this conversation unfold on Twitter, decide to weigh in. Some of them tweet to the group of feminists and express their anger. And a few of them explain that they are individuals who've actually talked to Tarol's mom. So that should solve the issue, right? The feminists, apologized right? Wrong! Because it turned out that it was just more of Tarol's lies! -The small group of feminists tweet out that Goblins readers are tweeting angrily at them, and apparently, they're just sock puppet accounts created by Tarol! Especially the ones claiming to have talked to his mother! Those ones are DEFINITELY Tarol! I mean, they HAVE to be, right? Geez, Tarol must keep a small army of extra Twitter accounts ready at all times! And I suppose he has to maintain them as well. Tweeting regularly with varying interests and personalities applying to each account and having those accounts interact with other accounts. You know, to keep the illusion alive. Between this and and the fake blog and then his REAL blog that explains it at length and points to the fake blog... gosh, Tarol sure is busy. -And what's the reason for this massive operation? Does it get Tarol millions of dollars or something? Oh no, that's right... it's so people won't think he's sexist. Well that is some caramel flavoured plausibility right there!
>>34360550 (Now you might be thinking to yourself "hang on... if Tarol was lying, then wouldn't his real mom kind of flip out when she inevitably saw that her son had this elaborate, very public lie about her? Or maybe Tarol's mom had passed away and so there's no one to get angry. But then wouldn't that fact be brought to light pretty damn quick when someone decides to Google the details?" Well yes, all of that is true. And if you thought it, then you are a fucking emotionless, sociopathic, misogynistic, rape apologist.)
-Alright, so now Tarol has had the the two people he holds in the highest regard, publicly insulted in the worst fucking way. I mean... there is no grey area here. Tarol respects and looks up to his mother and his wife more than anyone on earth. These people are the perfect icons of strength and love in his eyes. And the very purpose of Tarol's connection to them has been severed and replaced by reasons of misogyny and rape. And it's been done by the people that he was raised from birth to support and listen to. Tarol is no longer defending his own image at this point. He's defending his mother's and his wife's. So it's here that Tarol fights, right? No. -Tarol, fearing another "you love misogyny/rape" backlash, repeats to them that they're awesome and thanks them for their time. That's right. These people said what they said about him, his mother and his wife. ... And he thanks them for their time. He says... thank you.
(There is a line between choosing not to fight, and letting people attack those you love in the name of self preservation. I crossed that line twice. I did it with my readers and I did it again here. This was my rock bottom. From this moment on, it was and is the main thought in my mind at all times.)
Whatever I'm going through starts and ends in my own head. Everyone deals with assholes online and the assholes I dealt with are in no way responsible for my situation.]
>>34360565 You think this is stupid? I left out the intro:
Thunt wrote:(Trigger warning: r-word is mentioned a LOT and vaguely described) (Warning: Swearing)
The response from the picture was bad. I saw a a few forum threads and got a bunch of emails about how I "identify as a woman" or I have this list of weird fetishes and stuff. Or how it's this sick victim card thing. And it's rape glorification. None of this is true, of course. I should never have drawn that fucking picture.
Anyways, this is a condensed version of the main reason for what's going on, that's been slightly edited to make a bit more sense, here in the forum. It's written in a weird and clumsy way, I know. Don't worry about typos or spelling, etc. What I'm hoping to know is, does it go too far? Am I way out of line? I feel like I have to air this stuff out, but... what do you guys think? Just keep it to myself?
Again, I'll take this down after some time and feedback and please don't repost it anywhere.
>yes, he actually wrote this with a trigger warning
>>34375282 But at least he's a well meaning idiot. On the surface feminism is a good thing, but the tumblr/SJW crowd are mostly just self serving assholes who like to tear other people down to inflate their own egos.
>>34376236 That's what people like to say when they're looking for the worst possible motive so they can feel better about themselves while stomping someone into the dirt.
Though it's (not really) odd that accusations of Evil Secret Motives seem to pop up regardless of those motives being evident (beyond "they're rude and that hurts my feelings"). Apparently, we're just supposed to assume they're there when we see someone trying to make a "bad" point.
>>34387993 >>34387724 If he mother was raped, it's understandable why she became one. Plus, we don't know what kind of feminist she was ("Women should vote! Kittens and sprinkles!" vs "ALL MEN ARE EVIL RAPISTS WHO SHOULD DIE FAT ACCEPTANCE IS MANDATORY WHY CAN'T I GET A BOYFRIEND").
>>34360302 They are all pretty wacky and illogical but it's the series' charm. Only the first installment was 4spoopy6me because those illogical actions could damage the healthbar. 2nd and 3rd were fine.
They were bad but they were bad like Flash Gorden was bad. It was mostly light hearted fun with silly humour and a good natured jab at the D&D rules.
I had no idea that all this shift was going on in the background.
Although now I remember there was an instance a while ago when someone came onto /tg/ during one of the Saaaaaaad threads trying to claim that the author of those comics was some sort of sexual predator.
We asked for proof, they told us to stop being lazy and go look for it, we pointed out the burden of proof was on them and they threw a tantrum and left.
Reading that epic adventure above I think that his only real mistake was responding to them. These new breed of feminists are like conspiracy theorists of the most tin-foil hattest type where a lack of any proof is all the proof they need. Sadly he was, understandably, raised to respect the old school feminists and couldn't differentiate between the two.
I, one of only few here it seems, will miss his comics.
>>34352268 Kor was just way too much bullshit too deal with after Psimax. That whole armor thing where he flipped himself back up was the last straw for me, at least give them some time to explore or do whatever
>>34390372 Its slightly more complicated than that. Men weren't supposed to be refused places on lifeboats - the captain ordered women and children FIRST, but some crew members thought he ordered "women and children ONLY", causing a tragic loss of life as many lifeboats left half full.
>>34391388 Just wait until they discover that some super feminist is the first person to discover time travel. She went back in time specifically to create this misinterpretation and kill all the men on the titanic just because she could. Tumblr praises her.
>>34388745 No but in place of face melting SAAAAAAAAAAAAAD it had hammy acting, cliche after cliche, awful diologue, a setting that made little sense, no understanding of how planets and space work, suit props, worse special effects and annoying music. And yet for all that it is still fun.
Just like Goblins. It's shit but it's fun and enjoyable.
>>34391958 Yeah, newspapers just lied and the suffragettes involved just decided not to deny libel against them. That or you're just assuming everything contrary to your worldview must automatically be wrong.
Let me know when you want to become acquainted with reality and stop sailing rivers in Egypt. You're worthless as long as you only believe facts you want to.
>>34392141 except im fucking looking at newspaper headings right now and the only one that even mentions suffragettes is saying "this was not a special case, women and children first is normal in ships sinking"
>>34393534 I literally lol'd at this. I used to love it when one of these edits was in an OP and people would keep joining the thread ranting about how they can't tell what's happening because of the characters' expressions. "Why does it look like they're smiling, wtf?!"
Didn't know that feminist SJWs can fuck you up this badly. It's practically a lose/lose whether you become a doormat for their bitching, or refute their crazy claims and call them out on their bullshit. Making a mental note to never cross paths with a femnazi. >>34365982
>>34390372 Because he no-sold Forgath's tactics. Forgath pulled off some awesome and inventive stuff to use Kor's armor against him and just utterly failed. JUst like if they tried drowning him and the armor suddenly sprung armored flotation devices
It can only work if their fates aren't so horrid. Aka instead of a killer DM you have a more reasonable DM who punishes reasonably, not be looking for every single opportunity to make sure the characters (aka PCs) are never happy for long.
>>34348664 I like Goblins. It's nowhere near perfect but I enjoyed the story, as slow and convoluted as it all became. Despite his breakdown I think Thunt's a pretty cool guy, just one who made mistakes concerning whose opinion he gives a shit about.
There's a kind of nakedness to his writing; you can tell he's got his heart on his sleeve and he's doing the best job he can. Even if you don't like his work you have to respect someone who's as earnest as that.
I think losing Goblins is a bad thing, for the fans who earnestly enjoy it and the critics who love to mock it. Even 'bad' art has its own particular value, as a cautionary tale if nothing else; Dominic Deegan is an excellent example of that phenomenon.
It's one thing to hate the guy's webcomic, I mean it was terrible and really, really depressing. to the point you really stopped caring about the characters because you allready knew they were never going to overcome these trials so why get invested and all that...
but seriously from what I'm reading here I can't help but feel bad for the guy. It seems like he really didn't deserve it.
I mean calling his comic shit and him a hack is one thing, but that...
And people thought Bronies/every other popular fandom out there are cancer; people like the ones who harassed Thunt this badly are the true cancer of life. Fuck SJWs. Fuck Femnazis. Fuck genuine misogynists. They're why we can't have nice things.
>>34405602 no, not directly, but don't let that stop you... . . . though it could be argued that it was genuine misogynists that were responsible for creating the circumstances that spawned the feminist movement and were it not for them we wouldn't have femnazis.
>>34405829 It could also be argued that if society hadn't decided to give egalitarinism a try women wouldn't have had enough of a voice for feminism to even exist, thus you non-misogynists are responsible for everything you are whining about.
There are still men out there that DO abuse and mistreat women to fit the definition of "misogynist" to a tee.
I only say "genuine" because too many femnazis will take any little thing that's not inflating their ego and declare X male a woman-hater (aka crying wolf). Disagree with a femnazi, that in their eyes = woman hater. SUCH LOGIC.
>>34391336 >I'm surprised the guy didn't just throw up his hands and say "You know what, fuck it, if they want me to be a woman-hater this bad then a woman hater I shall be" before bitch slaping his wife. Well the tldr of the tldr of the blod which he put in the preface was kinda just that. The "I QUIT" wasn't him quitting the comic, but quitting listening to blogs and going back to drawing some fucking comics.
>>34405837 >Gor being right about anything >Gor not being about bow far stuck in a closet you can get and men only grudgingly have sex with women >Gor not having something that might actually be described as rapeculture because women needs to be forcefully dicked or they'll die
>>34406132 >"People with these opinions are the worst criminals in history! They're subhuman Nazis and should be hated to death at every opportunity!" >"They only dislike me because I disagree with them! Those oversensitive subhuman Nazis would say the same of anyone who ever argued with them, even if they didn't treat them like subhuman Nazis like I do!" That's rather unlikely.
>>34396352 >Didn't know that feminist SJWs can fuck you up this badly. It's practically a lose/lose whether you become a doormat for their bitching, or refute their crazy claims and call them out on their bullshit. Making a mental note to never cross paths with a femnazi. They can only bully those on their side. If you look, every person I have seen being successfully bullied by SJWs has been a liberal, antiracist, feminist etc. I have never seen them succesfully attack an actual enemy, such as a republican and even attacks on real leftists tend to fall flat.
>>34415603 >I have never seen them succesfully attack an actual enemy, such as a republican What about that feminist who tweeted about some guys joking and got them fired? Or the recent one who claimed /wizard/ were harassing her in order to start a raid on them?
>>34415691 Point taken. You are right actually, though those people were unaligned. Had they been active republicans, they would have had a large support network available.
But I think donglegate was an exception rather than a rule and the success might have been dependant on other things such as the popularity of the original accuser. >>34415949 Could be. My point was more that they can only really attack their allies, though that was an overstatement.
>>34416057 Samefagging, sorry. I think that the fact that these people can only attack themselves is important since it promotes groupthink, horrofying policies and drives away allies. If you are feminist just trying to make things better for women, you can be destroyed by SJWs far more effectively and for far less than by actual enemies of feminism. Redpillers are powerless losers, rebuplicans are highly limited in what they can do. So it's no suprise that abotion clinics are being closed while feminism keeps becoming more and more totalitarian.
>>34416240 The actual main reason they can't "attack" (or reason with) their enemies is because their self-proclaimed enemies are too hateful for any logic or empathy to enter their thought process. No matter what you do or say to them, it just riles them up more and encourages their sense of victimhood and their eternal war of annihilation against social justice "warriors".
>>34417888 Its ironic to hear about someone criticizing people who aren't SJWs for lacking in empathy, and that they're hateful, since the entire agenda of SJWs is to stereotype and dehumanize broad demographics of people! See: Critical Theory. Its an incredibly hateful ideology.
1: Polarize everything between oppressors and oppressed. The oppressed can do no wrong, oppressors are vile subhuman garbage who cannot be redeemed: demonize them at all costs. Remember, everyone falls clearly into one or the other. Saint or demon, there's no middle ground. 2. EVERYTHING needs to have propaganda in it. Education, entertainment, art, public life, private life -- everything should be politicized. Art and opinions that are insufficiently progressive should be sequestered far from public consumption.
>Be diagnosed schizophrenic >Recognize a lot of the same delusions I end up with >Not always as bad as the ones described here, but they can get pretty bad >Persecution, just everyone out to get me for reasons I don't understand >Martyrdom, beaten and suffering for the sake of the world >Grandeur >Doom >Take some small comfort in the knowledge that I don't act on it >Also that I know, on some level, that it's probably mostly in my head >Definitely a small comfort, though
>>34360457 >-Tarol apologizes in his blog, but doesn't do a great job. I have no idea what all this shit is about, but this is why it pays to be a good writer. Because if you're a BAD writer all your apologies come off as bullshit that makes you look worse.
>>34360471 >-Tarol's mom tells him to go public with the reason why there's rape in the comic (Notice how my mom immediately offered to sacrifice her own privacy to help me. See what I mean by strength?) Wait, is this Tarol guy saying this shit in third person?
>>34360488 >-So now Tarol is known by many as a guy who just loves rape. I mean he just fucking LOVES it, right? And more than once (Well, twice, but that counts as more than once), this image extends outward to feminists he later meets online online. They've heard of him. Not because of a goofy, little comic, but because he's that misogynistic, sociopathic, rape apologist who loves to bully survivors. Isn't this the comic where a good guy has to rape someone or she'll die of plot disease that makes her die if she doesn't get raped?
>>34417888 This is not true. Republicans are not inhuman monsters. Redpillers might be. Tod Akin can't be converted but people do see horrible people and most people have common decency. Some 80% people in the US support gender equality, gay marriage has beceome more acceptable etc. People do reespond to persuation, however since you people dehumanize everyone who disagrees most people rightfully recognize SJWs as bad people. They are resentful, totalitarian, dishonest and cruel.
I like Solzenitzyn's description of bolsheviks. Like SJWs they would erase the facts that would not fit their rigid view of the world, and once they came into power they started erasing the people who did not perfectly fit their ideology. Like SJWs they too attacked the hardest agains other party members.
Republicans are insane and bad people, but by and large they have at least some decency.
>>34360513 >Get Bruce Willis and Steve Buscemi over here, cause we're goin' Armageddon!) This is the best writing I've ever seen from goblins guy.
>>34360525 >-For those who don't understand why their words hold so much weight, let's explore the Superfriends comparison. This guy keeps bringing that up, but the impression I get is that he doesn't actually think of feminists as the superfriends. It's just something he's convinced himself after a lot of years of harassment over his shitty comic with poorly handled rape drama (again, why it pays to be a good writer instead of a shitty one). It really feels like he cares more about his own reputation among these people than their actual opinions and beliefs.
>>34360550 >Angry Marines Commissar Man, I remember the good ol' days of /tg/ when there was more porn and crossdressers...
>>34360564 >-Tarol, fearing another "you love misogyny/rape" backlash, repeats to them that they're awesome and thanks them for their time. That's right. These people said what they said about him, his mother and his wife. ... And he thanks them for their time. He says... thank you. Is he a fucking idiot? If he's not a troll, he's sure good at trolling.
>>34360613 Wait, Thunt? Is he Thunt or Tarol? And neither of those sound like real human fucking names.
>>34367385 He didn't consort with feminists; he was a shit writer who did something offensively bad. Good intentions don't mean shit if you're thicker than lead.
>>34388093 Actual rape victims want actual laws and support.
>>34389606 Because severe emotional and physical sexual trauma fucks you up, and they're fucking terrified?
>>34390372 There's actually a reason it's women and children first; you can repopulate with one guy and thirty women, but you can't do the same with one woman and thirty guys. It's a survival instinct, one that is admittedly no longer necessary.
>>34391355 He really isn't. It's cringeworthy and I don't even know what the fuck is going on. There comes a point where you should stop talking because you're obviously not good at it.
>>34404015 Seems more like he dug his own grave with his inability to actually communicate. I don't pity him, but he also brought it on himself.
>>34414235 Are you going to provide a citation for that? No one can find any evidence of what you're saying. Did you maybe get that from /r/theredpill?
>>34419656 >This is not true. Republicans are not inhuman monsters Liar.
Also, a lot of the issue on the internet is that if you so much as stand up for basic human rights and decency, people will call you SJW. It's apparently a world where you're either /pol/ or SJW. And that's fucking stupid.
>>34420093 When did what start happening? Grow some fucking balls.
>>34420280 >>34420280 /tg/ used to have threads saying Anita Sarkeesian was LITERALLY the devil, and that women in nerd positions are all crafty manipulative fuckers who scheme and toil to get positions just to fuck with nerds and ruin their hobbies.
>>34420006 >Actual rape victims want actual laws and support.
Not /tg/ related, but, rape IS illegal you know? And presumption of innocence is an important legal concept, because false accusation is also a thing. Without presumption of innocence I can just go YOU'RE A WITCH and have you burned at the stake.
I feel for rape victims, it's a terrible thing, but you go to far in trying to protect people and you end up with witch trials.
>>34420705 >I feel for rape victims, it's a terrible thing, but you go to far in trying to protect people and you end up with witch trials. But the people calling for witch trials are the furthest removed from the victims there could be. The people who think being looked at the wrong way are the witch trialists. Why on earth would a real rape victim want anything to do with that?
I think that's what anon meant when s/he said rape victims hate feminists.
>>34420705 >Not /tg/ related, but, rape IS illegal you know? Yes, but it still happens a frighteningly high amount, and the way that it's handled is really poor. It's not even about treating people like they're guilty before it's proven, either. A lot of how rape is handled is just... not helpful.
And on the other side of the fence, far far too much is considered rape, or at least will get you on a sexual offender list. You can be stuck telling everyone you're a sex offender if you got caught pissing in the park at night.
You assume I'm saying "burn anyone accused of rape", but I'm not. I'm saying fix a broken system. A broken system that's broken in more ways than just rape, for that matter. There's a reason our recidivism rate is so much higher than other countries.
>>34420678 Yes, and? Use your words, Anon. I don't actually care about *your* basic human decency
>>34420804 There are some rape victims who act like that. There are also gunshot victims who damned near shit themselves when they hear a car backfiring. But decisions shouldn't be made from places of fear. Otherwise you get the shit where that Megan's Law stuff actually ends up causing more crimes because it's impossible for sex offenders to actually live in the real world.
>>34420362 It's not a world where you're either /pol/ or a SJW except in the distorted perception of /pol/ or SJWs. This litany that basic human rights and decency are something that will get you called a SJW is only used by people who are SJWs who want to avoid the offending label, much like how 'Race Realists' will bend themselves in rhetoric knots to try to prove they aren't racists.
There's a difference between lauding the death of somebody (See: Westboro Baptist Church) and honoring somebody's sacrifice (See: The men who died so that women and children could live on the Titanic).
While the truth of the matter is that people were refused seats due to mixed messages, or panic to get the fuck off of the sinking ship, or whatever else, that is an Ugly Truth, and people, especially at the time it happened, prefer to ignore it, and put a rosy shine on the events, making the casualties that may have been able to be saved into heroic martyrs.
I highly doubt that there were suffragetes saying "HOORAY, DEAD MEN", but I'm willing to believe that those who died were honored by many (suffregetes included) as being noble heroes willing to lay down their lives so that others could live, even if that wasn't, strictly speaking, the truth.
Plus,  for your claim that there was even any celebrating of any kind, whether it be honoring the fallen or cheering their death.
He means get some mental fortitude, you prancing namblie. Even if you're of the female persuasion, there's no excuse for being a prancing namblie. You gotta be tough on the internet, or you'll never be able to flourish outside of the "hugs for everybody" tidal pools.
We CAN be nice, and 4chan really ISN'T about being a jackass for no reason, despite what the new kids seem to think, but here we have the luxury of acting how we want, without fear of tarnished reputation or penalties from not falling in line.
You are mistaken if you think you can walk in and try to get us to change the way we act. Do you go to fucking China and yell at everybody to stop speaking Mandarin (or any of the other 8,000 languages they have) and start eating hamburgers? When in FUCKING rome, m8.
>>34421807 >I'm willing to believe that those who died were honored by many (suffregetes included) as being noble heroes willing to lay down their lives so that others could live, even if that wasn't, strictly speaking, the truth. The sexist, needless loss of their lives was approved. What more to you need to hear to know that those approving it were as evil as humanly possible?
>>34422047 Namblie is a derogatory term for a member of the NAMBLA, national alliance of the man boy love association, based off how it sounds similar to a scottish bug and how NAMBLA wants to bugger kids. Basically, its calling someone a pedophile.
Still too organized for what should be a highly traumatic event. If he were, it would dart from subject to subject, and the narrative would look more like the Time Cube webpage.
Further, hiding it in person is easier than you might think. The low amount of affectation that people find unsettling can be masked by ever-so-slightly assuming the facial expressions of the people you're talking to.
>>34422022 The hugbox scare is a favorite of extremely sensitive angry people, because it assigns some inherent value to the annoyance caused by their random overreactions. They claim that if someone is subject to enough relentless emotional abuse, they will somehow become a better person in every way. When this predictably fails to work, they don't question it, instead blaming the victim for failing to be bettered by them.
>>34418794 >Its ironic to hear about someone criticizing people who aren't SJWs for lacking in empathy, and that they're hateful, since the entire agenda of SJWs is to stereotype and dehumanize broad demographics of people! Actually, that's the entire premise of the slur, not its victims. The War on Justice constantly erupts like a volcano into bombastic, overblown rants about how unspeakably evil and subhuman and mindless their hated enemies are, shamelessly inventing the most absurdly exaggerated opinons possible to shit in their mouths, based on any tiny thing that pisses them off. They openly admit that they're doing it to shut off certain subjects from being discussed, such as the fact that art influences society, in the name of freedoms which they attack others for using in the same way they claim to use them.
>Further, hiding it in person is easier than you might think. The low amount of affectation that people find unsettling can be masked by ever-so-slightly assuming the facial expressions of the people you're talking to.
That's probably the most unsettling thing I've heard all day.
>>34425953 Speaking as a literal autist, you probably do it all the time and don't really notice. It's called mirroring and it's one of those weird facial expression things I've had to learn by rote and study.
It is a combination of factors. Art does not have to be great: many long-running and successful webcomics started when the author was in high school and drew chicken-scratch level art, and gradually improved over the years. There is still a minimum level of art, however. It is just really, really low. One of the most financially successful webcomics is drawn entirely in stick figures.
Frequent updates are important. It does not necessarily have to be on schedule, but it does have to be often enough that people still have the story in their memories when they read the next page.
Story is the most important thing. You can have gag-a-day comics and newspaper-like strips, but the ones with the story last longest and are most likely to break through into financial success and wide fandom.
>>34427013 Let's all be honest. If there's one good thing to the destruction of the middle class and the rise of the new gilded age, it's that people are learning exactly how much bullshit they've been filling their lives with and exactly how much you can cram into 15 hours of consciousness when 10-12 of them are work hours.
>>34427307 >have you ever made a genuine facial expression without meaning to? That's not really how aspergers works. I make expressions all the time, I'm just barely aware of them unless I'm paying attention, and I'm not always able to read other peoples' emotions to be able to socialize with them well.
>>34427402 That pic made me laugh, mostly because I only saw the cat and the guy's cheeks/nose when I first scrolled down, so for a very brief moment I thought it was Batman, before getting a closer look.
>>34427642 Everyone finds it hard to read tone and mood by text, there are about a million studies on the subject. Smilies, emoticons, and general text speak tools help, though, as does the fact that everyone is mostly aware of the issues in text communication and go out of their way to make intent clear.
>>34417888 >>34418794 This is actually the premise, more or less, of a comic book idea I came up with my friend recently. It's called The Social Justice Warriors, and is about a super powered group of... that, "fighting" against a similar, opposite group of stereotypical foes of theirs. The theme is that labels and extreme thought are wrong.
>>34428031 We started the idea on Saturday and we already have both teams set up, with a few ideas for twists and supporting characters. It basically writes itself. I just wonder how long it will take for White Knight to finally snap and become the ultimate villain, The Euphoric One.
I'm not really saying "Being yelled at will make you grow as a person", but being yelled at will make you more resilient (I.e. less hurt feelings, less salty, etc) to being yelled at in the future.
This is a good thing, because the world is a cruel and uncaring place where shit can easily go against you in a heartbeat. It's better to get your licks and build a thick skin on an anonymous imageboard where there aren't any actual lasting consequences, then to find out the hard way that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
>>34429408 Direct quotes, sexism apologist. The article wasn't even anti-suffrage. Just like feminists today, those women were perfectly happy spouting amazingly sexist views because they knew they wouldn't be judged negatively for them.
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