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What If The Rules Weren't Written By Manufacturers? 2017-03-28 02:44:38 Post No.52411089
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What If The Rules Weren't Written By Manufacturers?
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This is just a general question to /tg about tabletop wargames in general. What if the rules for our favorite games weren't written and maintained by the same people who have a vested interest in selling us armies?
Something I've been mulling over quite a bit lately is that there's a fundamental conflict with miniature games rules being written by the people who make the miniatures. Even if they set out with the best of intentions (and they usually do), sooner or later there comes a point where they've got to choose between making the game better or making more sales. In order to ever really be balanced and healthy, a game's rules need to be stable, and stability - at a fundamental level - is just bad for business. In a stable tabletop game, people can build up their armies slowly, and once they have a "complete" army, they can just happily go on playing it with little incentive to buy more.
To call out GW specifically for this with the pic is beating a dead horse, I recognize, but I think theirs is a story most of tg is very familiar with and serves as a good example. The trials and tribulations of Privateer Press the last couple years look very similar to a lot of us. I'm sympathetic - I think companies hit a critical point in their growth (and some others like Wyrd are probably coming to it as well), where most of their customer base already has an army or armies, and all they're selling is the new releases. That, in turn, means you need a constant stream of new releases, which inevitably leads to bloat in the game. Then, at some point, you have to either outright cull your rules and/or community down to a size you can deal with, or at the very least hit the reset button with a new edition and hope to get back to a manageable place.
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I'm not sure what the alternative is. Obviously, there's a ton of rulesets out there that have been written over the years, either fan-made or abandonware from small companies. There's also community maintained systems like what Epic has become, or the various WHFB bastard children.
The problem, as I see it, is that with NO money behind them, projects like those tend to stay fairly low profile. The community also has little faith in them (sometimes justified, sometimes not), and many players are unwilling to "commit" - building an army for any tabletop system is a pretty big investment, after all.
But I think that "neutral" rules have some pretty big benefits for us, as gamers and hobbyists. The first and most obvious is just satisfaction with what we're doing - in a system that's actually stable, you CAN lovingly build up armies over years and continue to put them on the table for many more. It also unfetters us from an "official" line of minis, and with everything that's out there today, that's pretty big.
Anyway, just a discussion starter, really. What do people think?
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>>52411089
Better question: What if the rules were actually written by high school graduates who understood game theory, rules, and literature, instead of washouts from the marketing department?
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>>52411089
Nearly all wargame rules aren't written by manufacturers.
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Warhammer 40K general 2017-03-28 02:30:54 Post No.52410944
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Dumbshits can't make an edition - edition
>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android.
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>40k rules reference in wiki format.
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/
>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/
>Latest GW FAQs.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata
>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
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>List organizer picture book
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
>Offline list builder
https://battlescribe.net/
>Forge World Book Index:
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Mtg Amonkhet spoilers
>do you think Amonkhet will help/hurt Standard?
>Ideas on cards to be spoiled
>wrapcaster mage?
>What will the master pieces be?
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>not "Seuss Sense"/"Memes yield the truest insight"
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>Sixth Seuss/Memes yield the dankest memes
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>the plainswalker deck Gideon is actually good
The real one might be busted.
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>Dwarves
>Suposedly long-lived
>Supposedly sturdy
>Supposedly great halls
>Lose to green manlets with sharpened sticks and alcoholism all the time
Why do all dwarves suck so much?
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Usually extremely low-population and slow breeding, resulting in a serious weakness to any sort of attrition. Sure, the Goblins might lose 50 soldiers for every Dwarf they kill, but not only do the Goblins have way more backups they'll replenish their losses in a tenth of the time also.
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>>52409929
Actually this sounds right
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>>52409929
Then the Dwarves had no business ever having a great empire in the first place, or existing, really. This is how the Cromagnons beat the Neanderthals.
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>Elves
>Suposedly long-lived
>Supposedly intelligent
>Supposedly great nation
>Lose to humans with sharpened sticks and orcs with sharpened rocks all the time
Why do all elves suck so much?
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Usually extremely low-population and slow breeding, resulting in a serious weakness to any sort of attrition. Sure, the Humans might lose 50 soldiers for every Elf they kill, but not only do the Humans have way more backups they'll replenish their losses in a fifth of the time also.
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Oh right, forgot one
>Have supposedly great magic
>Still SOMEHOW lose to non-magical humans and orcs
Are elves the most inept race in fantasy?
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Same reason why the chinese did not progress after a few centuries without external influence.
They thought they have developed the highest standard of living and espeacially "morals".
Also vegans:
Small brains and low test.
coupled with leftism leads to failure.
They are basicaly retarded inbreds.
Long livespans or percieved immortality add to that effect.
>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here: http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/
>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial: http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
. It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.
>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/.
Resources for Third Edition
>Final 3E Core Release
https://mega.nz/#!ctgxyJaC!ygkrLnFsrnBJzIUZY-dJsMfyFrhFQgDsQuuo52fcW0I
http://www.mediafire.com/download/q51qw8skdw1rg15/Exalted_3e_Core.pdf
>3E Backer Core (Old)
https://mega.nz/#!E1dRBBIa!ZbQG4IasYCJRli2bhgE2MOdWeFAeV3N1rqL9kAIGbNE
>Frequently updated Charsheet with Formulas and Autofill https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pfjmZKzcUqAX9mB58IAEUIFkZr8rq4CvdRRM4kzwwgU/edit?usp=sharing
>General Homebrew dumping folder: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByD2BL6J89NiQzdCWWFaY0c5Mkk&usp=sharing
>Eld 3e Materials, incl. comics & fiction anthologies https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t2arqtqtyyt28/Exalted_3Leak
>Charm Trees:
>Solar Charms: https://imgur.com/a/q6Vbc
>Martial Arts: https://imgur.com/a/mnQDe
>Evocations: https://imgur.com/a/TYKE4
2.5e Resources:
>Books w/ embedded errata + extras: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/253ulzik1j9s5/Exalted
>Chargen software: http://anathema.github.io/
>Anathema homebrew files: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pka3nz3vqbqda/Anathema_Files
>MA form weapon guide: http://www.brilliantdisaster.net/dif/ExaltedMA.html
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/ua7tanepy2jfkdp/Exalted_2nd_Ed_-_Return_of_the_Scarlet_Empress.pdf
1e Resources:
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9vp0e9id3by6m/Exalted_1e
>Holden and Morke are out
>Vance and Minton are in
>Preview of Arms of the Chosen
So what does everyone think of Stromcaller and the new Evocations paradigm?
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I love Stormcaller and the new Evocations. I want more! More!
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>>52409321
Looking at how Stormcaller works, it makes Volcano Cutter seem weak in comparision, doesn't it? Let's hope the latter gets a face lift.
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>>52409298
>>Holden and Morke are out
Ding dong the witch is dead
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How the hell does something live for 500+ years without getting cancer?
And i'm not just talking about elves, but everything with a physical body
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There's normal real life organisms which don't get cancer, and others which live longer than that.
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>>52408906
Trees manage to do it somehow. Also whales have evolved to be extremely resistant to cancer because they have so many cells that it would happen instantly.
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>>52408906
Cannabis oil
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/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General 2017-03-28 09:51:34 Post No.52408891
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/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General
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Lack of new bread edition
>HHG FAQs
http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
What to include in a HH list, how to format it, what makes each legion special (crunch), tactics, Tutorials for Heresy-era minis and more
http://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
>HH Books, Novels and Rulebooks galore
http://pastebin.com/k9uvqsub
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2Ffz1OuHK%2Fcrusade-imperialis-army-lists.pdf.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2FZTK72gs%2Flegiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list.pdf.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
>/HHG/'s Legion demographics
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
>/HHG/'s allegiances
www.strawpoll.me/10663447
>Oct 16 White Dwarf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zm71nli980zr97h/WhiteDwarf_Oct16.pdf
>Primarch Popularity Poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/11458318
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That's a big Marine.
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Second for Lorgar did nothing wrong
>neither did Erebus
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No summary anon? Sad thread
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>The land is surrounded by a mountain range that almost seems as if it forms a giant caldera.
Player 1: What's outside the mountains?
>All you know is that anyone who attempts to travel over them is not heard from again.
Player 2, making an off-hand joke: I bet that beyond the mountains are each of the elemental planes in a circle around the land
That was exactly what my plan was, and this guy guesses it on session zero. Do I stick with it or come up with something else?
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>>52408813
You stop being a GM forever because you're fucking retarded and have no business being in that position.
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>>52408813
Either you've gotten predictable or he's read your notes.
So yes, come up with something else. Something that doesn't sound like something a 14 year old would come up with.
Like: There are monsters in the mountains, nasty ones, and they are eating everybody who wanders up there. Ogres work fine here.
Then reveal that they're living in the impact crater caused by some kind of ancient evil getting thrown out of some version of heaven or Olympus by your Zeus equivalent AND HE'S WAKING UP.
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>>52408813
Just stick with it you mong.
>>52408837
Stop proposing things that sound like they were made up by a 14 year old.
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/5eg/ Fifth Edition General: Cliff House Edition 2017-03-28 07:27:12 Post No.52408032
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/5eg/ Fifth Edition General: Cliff House Edition
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D&D 5th Edition General Discussion
>New Unearthed Arcana: Trio of subclasses
http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAThreeSubclasses.pdf
>Don't forget to take the official survery on Theurgy and War Magic
http://sgiz.mobi/s3/9d26907ef733
>Official /5eg/ Mega Trove v4b
https://mega.nz/#F!z8pBVD4Q!UIJWxhYEWy7Xp91j6tztoQ
>Pastebin with resources:
http://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck
>5etools
https://5egmegaanon.github.io/5etools/5etools.html
>Previously, on /5eg/
>>52399391
Thread question: What's the most memorable set piece you've played in/created for your players?
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My players once spent a week inside the body of a gargantuan giant. There was a little civilization in there lining the walls of the stomach.
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>>52408058
Welcome, to - URRRRP - Anatomy Park!
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>>52408020
> Stone
> limitless supply
Also go back to economy 101 class. You will learn why that wouldn't work (or the consequence that will follow).
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Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1412: And then Anon was a Demon Edition 2017-03-28 06:54:13 Post No.52407748
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Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1412: And then Anon was a Demon Edition
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>Google Drive
http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1qb0_OLhDrDSmZpRWdZaGZRcWs?tid=0B20r6rsFLOg_Zk5RdVdya3hJNnc&authuser=0
>Jumpchain IRC Chat
http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=%23JumpchainCYOA
http://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/?#JumpchainCYOA
>Rules
http://pastebin.com/Gqj3iKyn
>How to Jumpchain
http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1qb0_OLhDrDNjZmRG02SDFaRVk/view
>Last Thread
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>>52407714
Tohsaka needs a lot of money because her family magic relies on precious gemstones, and her Guardian(Kirei Kotomine) wasted her family fortune, just for the sake of fucking with her.
Pic Related is KotomineShe has a guardian because unknown to her Kotomine murdered her father, and arranged for her mother to get brain damage. Not for the money, but just because he's an evil cunt.
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Real talk though lets stop the waifu shit before it gets out of hand.not
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>>52407766
Double Dubs confirm, waifu shit will continue.
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Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/ 2017-03-28 06:32:18 Post No.52407508
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Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/
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Rate my craftsworld edition
>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK
>40k rules reference in wiki format.
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/
>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/
>Latest GW FAQs.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata
>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf
>List organizer picture book
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
>Offline list builder
https://battlescribe.net/
>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Warhammer general discord!
https://discord.gg/Zeh7nhC
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Green Goblin/10
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In the spirit of shit, I think I'm going to build and paint a squad of wyches as the first step of a huge backlog.
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>52407377
>Orks
>Most anarchic force in the galaxy
>Most restrictions on wargear in any codex
For fuck's sake, if my Warboss wants to take a fucking burna, he should be able to. If the Nob leading a Boyz squad wants a rokkit launcher, he should fucking be able to. The goddamn fluff EVEN STATES THIS.
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if power armor was so prevalent during the age of strife how come guardsmen don't have power armor?
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Same reason they're using tractors as tanks.
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They don't have the logistical and manufacturing capabilities they used to due to the heresy destroying everything and lots of technology being lost forever due to demon viruses.
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>>52407498
power armor is expensive
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Pathfinder General /pfg/ 2017-03-28 06:16:57 Post No.52407335
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Pathfinder General /pfg/
How can we save Ssalarn's scholar class from Spheres of Might? It still sucks.
Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW
Avowed Playtest 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing
Spheres of Might playtest:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/160bWvYewTwEXj9ZZv-jJ9-VrvGpYNHNcF8w6BMsdqgU/edit#
Sphere of Power playtest:
Creation Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kitAB8sHgmuD3fvOMuI_KyV_dxpO2wrxQmbnCoRgglA/edit?usp=sharing
Dark Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zHRZyaMh_QwWcQ-ROGCjQyCdflD6cbm9VdEOJMpC06I/edit?usp=sharing
Life Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wTv7VGj2qzjGnReD1lLRwC8iNG_G6f-a6XzMQlTB1yM/edit?usp=sharing
Mind Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kp4acH7zTk4e3DfPdYDfTk1jJClly3yp27Jfrf3FRWw/edit?usp=sharing
Gear of Power Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zIomq0TFP7uPdlFB8VRAIWQEjAXLV5CYpP3HmjySynU/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Handbook: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBfoH6YcTdD3kwjn3ikItWPBGzIm9g3SVkVvUQD1yUw/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Tables: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NU5bK1Dyzu66KgIdrHNaaXBw1eHVpcHZHOh5BDaxMzU/edit?usp=sharing
Bloodforge Infusions updated playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit#
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>OP isn't about nerfing Wizards
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Fighters should be nerfed. They fight too well.
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>>52407367
Naw bro, not before they nerf rogues, monks, and vow of poverty.
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