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It's a fantasy world. There is no reason chemistry works the same way, or even exists.

They're trying to do something based on the periodic table? Tough luck, this world works on the classical greek elements, you just made a useless but expensive powder.

Trying to make penicillin? What the fuck is a bacterium? Life in this universe was literally created by the gods. Diseases are actually magical in origin, the way they were once believed, while herbal cures are based on symbolic magic to restore the wholeness of certain parts of the body.

If need be, establish these metaphysical rules up front, but if someone insists on being an arse feel free to pull it out of nowhere just to spite them.

>>52762818
No, that way's pretty good.

>>52762818
Have a reasonable conversation with them about the process of invention and the nature of powergaming? If they want to play a genius inventor and that's something that fits your setting, you can work out with them OOC what they can reasonably expect to accomplish during the game. (IE saying they can't invent a complete engine, but they can make great strides in many of the basic machine technologies at the time, improving mills and some architecture projects in the process)

>>52762649
Depends on the game.
Usually, bard is a safe guess though.

>>52762649

I will say that Paladin is a solid choice in my opinion.

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Be a variant human. Take Diplomat as your feat: http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UA-SkillFeats.pdf

Be a paladin of the Oath of Redemption: http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAThreeSubclasses.pdf

By level 3, with Charisma modifier +3, you can have Persuasion +7. That goes up to +12 with Channel Divinity (Emissary of Peace).

Take a level in mystic. Choose the Order of the Nomad. Mantle of Joy, Nomadic Mind, and Third Eye. Dedicate your psionic focus to the Mantle of Joy for advantage on all Charisma (Persuasion) checks.

http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UA_Downtime.pdf
Spend your time carousing and making as many friends as possible with your reliably high Charisma (Persuasion), and then get them to do your dirty work.

>>52761950
>wererat,
Yiff in hell

Not one I've actually DM'd / played out yet, but one option is a sort of trance / inner conflict involved. Lycanthropy only able to take hold by latching onto some aspect of the afflicted's character and - even with the aid of Remove Curse - this aspect needing to be addressed before they can truly find peace.

This could range anywhere from something more generous (afflicted must either make peace with that aspect or prove that it no longer applies, failure still giving them temporary reprieve but not fixing it permanently) to more strict (only one or the other: If making peace trying to fight it tears them apart, if fighting it making peace gives it the reigns; failure is not "Try again next spell" but at best "Your spell did nothing" at worst "It's permanent now").

So that this isn't entirely out of the PCs hands, you could either have some spells / effects they could provide the afflicted help (ex: Raise their Wisdom, even if just temporarily, or make a Charisma check to help guide them through it), this conflict be inside their mind while physically they Lycanthrope-out and try to escape (the PCs keeping them from running to hold their own body hostage), etcetera.


Alternatively, unrelated to all the above, one option is that "curing" lycanthropy draws out the curse from the host and leaves you with one of two options:
1) Put it into somebody else (if you don't purposefully do so, it'll find somebody ALA Azazel from Fallen)
2) Finding some way to contain, damage, or even destroy the extracted curse (imprison it in a gemstone, extract it under the darkness of a new moon, confront it with a more powerful curse, etc).

>>52762043
>D&D Staple since OD&D first print literally four decades ago.
>yiff in hell
Not everything with fucked up hybrids is fetishism. It's like how you cannot have exhibitions of masculinity without some fag or fag hater calling it homo erotic and ruining it for everyone else.

>>52761449

Build one together? Adopt?

>>52761449
Does your character know and have a good standing with her creator? You could help the creator assemble a similar construct which would function as her child.

>>52761449
You both learn the ways of the artificer, and you MAKE a child. Or, mad science one if by "homunculi" you mean she's some kind of artificial living creature.

>>52761100
I'm sure the argument is that if your deck can't handle a planeswalker either by attacking it or some kind of removal before the ult goes off, you were in a losing position anyway.

All versions of Garruk besides the GB one crushed an unreal amount of puss.

So no, you're not the only one who thinks that but that's only because you people didn't play with the originals when they were able to fight with and against Lightning Bolt unlike the godawful lack of interaction you have with today's Planeswalkers.

>>52761100
Planeswalker cards were a mistake. The players are supposed to be the only planeswalkers, so making cards of NPC 'Walkers is stupid and cheapens everything. I mean they had to invent the whole Neowalker thing to even tone them down enough to print them because old school planeswalkers were damn near deific.

>>52760576
See, the first problem is that Destiny is a video game. So it has a lot of game fiats like being able to kill Oryx with sniper rifles and rocket launchers.

The other thing is that these universes work on entirely different cosmology. Transplanting one into the other breaks the entire setting because the underlying rules are different.

I will say this though, as the lore is stated in the Book of Sorrows, without having Light to defeat his Darkness based powers, there is literally nothing in 40k that could kill him. He is paracausal. He could assfuck time if he wanted. He actually does do that. Similarly, the Vex would destroy the entire 40k universe instantly because without the Light or Dark telling their time travel shenanigans to go fuck themselves they would just go back to the beginning of time and be everywhere.

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>>52760628
Of course, thinking about it, that cosmology mis-mash works both ways. Does Oryx have a 40k soul or presence in the warp? Could he just be instantly possessed?

You can't just go jamming universes together like this. It just doesn't work.

>>52760846
Oh well, let's face it that nobody care about the pisshole of bad ideas that was AE.

>>52760974
Dude, I ran an AE game for a few sessions with a NERV in Boston. Watching the players defend the ever loving fuck out of Fenway Park was fun (there was actually a NERV elevator on the field and they ALWAYS deployed an eva there when they could)

>>52760383
I'm GMing Borderline, probably bound to wrap up in the next few months.

While it's not a bad system, a lot of the issues are tied into Dark Heresy's own flaws (Skill bloat, some odd rules interactions, the power of Full-Auto). The other issue I seem to have is the concern I have in trying to better build a challenge for my team. Most of the sessions either end up interactions with rather infrequent fights (Hell, my last session had them take the roles of MP Evas tearing Sachiel a new one), and I struggle to figure out how to cover the in-between for them.

That said though, I've had fun seeing my team develop as characters, and if I can say I've done anything good, it's figuring out new ways to spin on the material provided.

Worst setting? Death Valley, I guess

The White Room we use to have splats fight in.

>>52759650
I think that's really just Vykos' thing; I'm pretty sure, say, Andrei from Bloodlines wouldn't raise any hackles. Not every Tzimisce ripped off its genitalia and hurled them at another vampire as a gesture of contempt, after all.

>>52759692
That's pretty heavily exaggerated. The vast majority of things that are wrong in the world are humanity's fault; you could argue whether or not the Weaver and Wyrm inspired them or just fed on them, but really, humans have fucked up much more and much harder than the Garou.

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Also, Blood Angels thread.

Your thread is as dead as your Primarch! Haha!

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>>52759585

Depends on your style of GMing and what your group enjoys.

In general, though? You should have given them some very clear hints that the bomb was on the people, chances for them to realise and find a way around it.

You have learnt a pretty valuable lesson, though- Never make assumptions that the PCs will act in a certain way. Always be open to the possibility that they will do something different that you didn't expect.

On the whole changing details thing, as said above that's very much up to style. Personally I intentionally leave myself grey areas and ambiguities that I can exploit and define if and when they become important or useful, but other GMs like to define everything ahead of time and to try to be 'fair' about it.

>>52758389
Fuck no.
That's asinine, it isn't your job to cover for them if their plan is narrow-minded.

>>52758389

Really depends on your group. It sounds like you built a fun mission that suits their playstyle, so kudos to you for that. When it started looking like they were going to just kill everyone though, you probably could've swapped it to being a timed explosion.

Given the PC's a chance to evacuate, or try to disarm the bomb so that if they screwed it up then, they would have died.

In my experience, nothing makes players angrier than not knowing they're risking death. It's really fun for us as the DM's, but players capital HATE dying for "no reason".

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>>52757674
Here are my dudes for Age of Sigmar

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to tell me what you think

>>52757851
I liked it, it's fun to see some new stuff in these threads that aren't 40k

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My Skitarii and color scheme, big armor is dark bronze, small Skitarii are steel. The additional Cult Mechanicus forces (mostly kastelans because robots fuck yeah) are also from the same world, Agri-world Emeritus. The forges dominate the smaller continent of the two, while the larger continent is an agricultural/paradise world with a lot of Eldar ruins, and a nice 2-year long cycle of seasons. They've awoken after 6000 years of stasis, brought back into active duty due to the impeccable timing of their ancient clockwork timers.

>Oh my god, it fixes everything bad in 3.5!
Five sessions later.
>Wait a minute...

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>>52757204
>first time playing
>played a Half- Orc Cleric
>Take Death and Evil domains
>name him Sunshine
>generic dungeon crawl
>ripping doors off their hinges
>steal every door I come across
>end up with 18 various doors
>final boss is a white dragon
>I start chucking doors
>throw a giant adamantine door
>attack roll, crit, confirm
>deal enough damage to visibly wound dragon
>charge with another door into melee
> party wizard gets a great idea
>casts Forcecage around dragon head
>With me inside
>I don't notice I'm trapped, just keep swinging with my doors and casting some buffing spells
>Other party members are useless
>wizard gets another great idea
>casts Maximized Empowered Fireball
>into the Forcecage
>incinerates both me and the dragon's head
>"Hey, at least we won, right Sunshine?"

Damnit, Randy, I'm still mad at you.

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>First time ever playing D&D was with 3.5
>Got run through the Sunless Citadel by a friend for me and some of my other friends
>Rolled up a half Orc Barbarian
>Rolled max hp (we didnt know you could take max for first level)
> rolled 18 strength, but 4 int
> DM friend was a fag about alignment and didnt explain it well at all leading to a lot of fighting
>also kept taunting me saying that my character was barely smarter than an animal by the rules
>made our rogue switch alignment to chaotic evil after he jokingly stole some gold from our fighter
>rogue started acting evil and trying to sabotage us because thats what he thought he had to do
>he betrays us in a fight with the white dragon and so we kill him
>we take a little break from the game and all my autistic friends and my autistic self start looking up stuff about the game and stumble into optimization forums talking about high level concepts that we dont really understand
>we start asking to take such and such feat, or such and such prestige class, or such and such variant ability
>HUGE MISTAKE that still haunts our group for years now that im the main DM and everyones an optimizing faggot
>finally get to the druid at the end of the dungeon
>i spend the entire fight stunned as the wizard companion of the druid uses color spray twice on me
>we leave back to town to rest up, and explore what we missed but we never played again
>i became the DM after that and sucked for half a year before i finally "got it"
I'm now a foreverDM, and run games for my old dm and my friends, hes a good guy but hes just shit at DMing and

>>hard to solve

Stop playing D&D then. It's an integral part of how the game functions.

>>52756900
>Stop playing D&D then. It's an integral part of how the game functions.

Since when? Most people admit that LFQW takes most of the fun out of the game, since melee classes are punished past lvl 10.

>>52756809
Pathfinder does a touch better than what 3.5 did but only a touch. It needed to take a very hard look over at the subject of the core spell lists. They only really changed the polymorph school, when they needed to address low level hard CC like sleep. They just were not brave to the point of say changing sleep to single target only but with no hit dice cap.

>>52756900

This issue is merely more talked about in D&D. Other games with classes or pseudo-classes have the same type of issues. Only war, l5r 3rd & 4th edition, VtM are all examples that I have seen it come up[ in. In VtM clans are pseudo-classes with some clan's disciples are just WAY better then others. There is built in social disadvantages in all clans but which ones get the worst of it do not line up with the ones who get the best in clan disciples.

>>52755777
Farmers get happy at druids when they create food if that food is used to feed the farmers and their families, so they can afford to send all of their grain to their lord.
Farmers get pissed at druids when they create food if that food is being sent to the lord so the lord has less need for serfs and kicks them off his land.

>>52755817
Why would a druid send food to the king, who is like the last person in the entire kingdom to get hungry?

>>52755840
He wouldn't
Thats why farmers dont hate Druids

>>52755761
>Are you going to inject your modern-day politics into the game?

>>52755998
Yes! Yes I am!

>>52755761
>no politics
>no evil characters
>no CN characters
>no ERP
>no munchkinism

did I miss anything?