After this latest Super Bowl victory is there ANY doubt now that

Manning didn't do shit

Von Miller MVP

>>65464847
>0 TD 2 INT

lol

If anything Brady = Manning
And besides Brady was never carried by his defense in a Super Bowl Run like Peyton is

No. His own team didn't even trust him to pass during the 2nd half outside of the 2 pt conversion.

>>65465119
Neither did Brady but he did earn that 18-1 by himself, lol 18-1

Manning didnt do jack shit this game

>>65465242
Just his kicker.

>>65465242
2001 was very much a defensive effort, anon.

>>65464847
By that logic Russell Wilson is better than Tom Brady.
Russel btfo big manning, big manning spank little manning, little manning is tom kryptonite

>>65465395
>1 for 3 in field goals
>carried by his kicker
Pick one and only one.

>>65464847
0 (zero) TD

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>>65464847
Fuck Brady, but naw - Brady > Manning

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>>65465395
oh boy here we go again right

>>65465237
I counted 1 INT fâm

>>65465242
>And besides Brady was never carried by his defense in a Super Bowl Run like Peyton is

No he was carried by Roger Goodell who forced Carroll to call the pass on 2nd play which won him his undeserved owl

>>65464847
100%

MANNING IS GOAT

HE CAN WIN THE GAME WITH HIS MIND, NOT JUST HIS ABILITIES

>>65464847
>Manning > Brady

Sad that it has to come to this, and not just appreciate Manning for Manning.

>HGH Man in owls that "he's" won: 1 TD, 2 INT

>>65465533
do you mean 3 for 3?

he didnt do anything lol

he literally just had to trent dilfer it up

Fampai

>>65464847
Trent Dilfer > Peyton Manning

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>>65465714
Peyton Manning confirmed for willing the Panthers to suck.

>>65464847
Overall Manning has been way better than Brady, but he was shit today.

>>65464847
No doubt.
>100% Brady Owls via cheating
>50% Peyton Owls via cheating
1 untarnished Owl is greater than 0 untarnished Owls.

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>Manning better than Brady
>all those INTs
>Denver DEs won the game

kek

>>65465237
>2016
>being this uninformed
It's like you're a pats fan or something.

I wonder how Tom feels about getting cucked by the manning boys.

>everyone getting their fingerprints on the ball

>>65466121
He was probably cheating before 2011 too, just like the Patriots were probably cheating before 2007

I wonder how Peyton Manning feels about getting cucked by Von Miller

>literally the two worst playoff runs by any qb ever

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>>65464847
no doubt but at the end of his career rodgers > manning

already better than brady

>>65466448
Just like every single team in the NFL breaks rules. Goddamn you kucks are so naive

>Heavy evidence of HGH usage
>Superbowl QBR of 57.4
>Benched for half of the season

Yeah Manning really is the GOAT guys haha lol

Goodby Peypey, you schill.

>>65466745
this CHeatriot damage control
Tom Brady BTFO

>>65465242
Did you see his defense hold the greatest show on turf to three scores?

IS THIS SCRIPTED LOL

>>65467039
Ebin meme friend. Mind if I post on r/4chan?

>>65466819
>evidence.

I could say that Newton sucks cocks on the weekend, and it would have the same amount of evidence as the HGH allegations.

>4 rings
>actually can throw and lead a team with nobdodies to multiple SB.

>>65466738
you are not funny. get a life nerd.

You guys do know that Brady still has at least 3 seasons in him, right?

He's going to win at least 1 more SB.

>>65467102
>Spygate

>>65467245
HGH was literally shipped to his house. Unless there have been some dicks shipped to cam's house.

He is absolutely the GOAT

Bandwagoners can whine as much as they want, but it doesn't make Brady better

I'm happy for Peyton but I'm not happy for Peypey fans. Brady is still the better playoff QB. Denver D's dominance this game only makes Brady's final drive look even better.

Pey Pey needs two more rings

Nah 4 > 2. He's better than Eli though

>>65467477

>Zero (0) TDs

Meanwhile Brady last year against a better team

>Four (4) TDs

Active players can't have liquor endorsements.

Peyton'a not coming back.

>>65467355
I don't even think they denied the hgh shipments. LMAO manning camp. they still want to keep the excuse that it's for his wife in their back pocket while usa anti-doping agency investigates.

>>65467606
Is that true? Nice foreshadowing.

>main story is how Manning isn't making it all about him

>>65467606
Did he really endorse it, or was it his "I"m going to Disneyland." and he's just stating he's gonna get drunk?

>>65467492
>brady better playoff QB
>manning is 3-1 against brady in the afc championship

The only reason I wanted Manning to lose is because I'm fucking sick of the Manning vs Brady shilling.

>>65465814
No Vinatieri missed every field goal except the last one.

>>65464847
if you have to ask then the answer is no

This legitimately hurt Mannings reputation more than it helped.

>>65467811
Don't have to worry anymore. Peyton is now the official GOAT

>>65467805
Brady has the most play off wins of any quarterback.
Manning has the most playoff losses.

Not even a Patsfag but it's clear who's the better playoff QB.

>>65467575
>better team
>down 31-0 at halftime to a team that Peyton just btfo in the owl

More proof that pats "fans" have never watched football

>>65467575
Nice tears

peyton will win as a coach I guarantee, owners will be lining up to hire him and he can hand pick any situation he wants and make an easy superbowl run

fuck he might even be cams coach in 5 years

Manning will always be a greater passer than Brady, objectively. But Tom is a better winner.

>>65464847
bradys FOUR superbowl rings would say otherwise. brady will always be better. the defense on the other hand...

>>65465242
I mean that's wrong, arguably his first was entirely because of the defense and I'm a pats fag

Brady>manning

4th quarter of Superbowl 49 for proof

Boy, it sucks when pay2win doesn't work anymore doesn't it pats?

>>65465242
How does it feel to be 12 years old?

Manning:
>2 rings
>3 Super Bowl TDs
>countless INTs

Brady:
>4 rings
>13 Super Bowl TDs
>barely any INTS at all

How can Manning even compete?

>>65468231
how do you explain bradys 25% win percentage against manning in afc championships?

if brady is the better playoff QB shouldn't he beat manning in the biggest game of the playoffs every time?

>>65468235
>>65468235
sorry but Peyton didn't do shit, I'm a big fan of defense. Two years ago Peyton got btfo by the best defense, a year later Tom Brady faces the same defense (#1 Defense ) and he smash the defense and does some clutch plays,

Today lets be honest guys, Peyton didn't do any thing, both him and Cam Newton. It was all about defense and special teams, Peyton's offense was all about Anderson's running game.

For broncos
1 TD from defense
1 TD from running game

For Panthers
1 TD from running game

and lets not forget the broncos special teams was unreal all season long, they kept giving manning better field positions than the opponent's QB. He gets easy field position by his special team, his runing back takes him to the FG range and goes for FG, then the defense comes and scores TD and gets INT, give me a break guys

Lets give credit where credit is due, this wasnt about offense or QBs, this was amazing Defense that single handedly won the season for broncos and Peyton is lucky and grateful to be on that rodeo.

Also when Tom missed season NE Pats missed the playoffs, when Peyton missed the season the broncos finished top seed, then carried him through the post season and gave him a SB win.

>>65468486
The Mannings have 4 rings across 3 teams.

And a record of 5-2 against Brady in the playoffs.

Mannings > Brady the system baby

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>>65465242
>Brady was never carried by his defense in an Owl

You do realize Brady has chance$ for his fifth?

Are you this queer?

Literally any other QB could've won today with that D.

>>65468962
>tom Brady and his perfect 4th quarter was the result of being carried by the defense

>>65468999
you say that

but then you realize dog shit like schaub exist

>>65468981
HIS FIFTH!!!!!!!!!!

Like he was Kobe or MJ & some shit.

>>65468760
They don't play each other on the field. And the 3-2 record corresponds to who was at home.

>>65468962
he wasnt carried this was a simple play that every defense SHOULD make, god damn it, what do you want?? brady goes out and plays defense too?? oh wait he supposed to throw and run and catch the ball as well. GIVE ME A BREAK.

Last year if it wasn't for brady's clutch 4th quarter NE pats wouldnt be in this position. GIVE ME A BREAK.

Also guys, you guys are all neckberd fat loser nerds that have no life and have no clue at sports.

How about we check some proper advice from professionals that understand the game like Deion Sanders.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2016/02/deion_sanders_says_theres_no_argument_tom_brady_is_superior_to

Deion Sanders here says

"Forget that argument. Brady is better," Sanders said. "I can’t put him beside Brady’s accomplishments. I can’t do that."

>>65468235
>>65468253

>Non american football fans
>Pretending they know jack shit

Kek

Seahawks last year would BTFO the shit out of this year's Panthers team

>>65468999
Nah, I see your point though. The offensive line and his receivers outside Sanders didn't show up. Using his brain only finally paid off.

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Rodgers is better than both and has a hotter wife than both.

>>65469076
>>65469076
The broncos were doing fine all year long without Peyton, they were top seed and they carried him throw post season and gave him the SB

>>65465242

His firs 3 were entirely his defense and his kicker. Literally could have run a wildcat offense. That and spygate.

>>65468612
Brady also has 4 superbowl winning drives.

I can't remember a single memorable positive play manning had in the SB. His most memorable plays are pick sixes.

>You now realize you could be a SB winning QB if you got to play on that Denver team

>>65469054
>pretending a perfect quarter is a valid argument when a quarter is only 1/4 the game, hence the name, quarter
No matter how many arguments you cherry pick, you can't hide from the fact that Peyton will retire with better stats than Brady.

>>65469109
>bradyfags full of excuses

>>65467805

Manning had home field advantage 3/4 times mate

Manning has never won a playoff game in Foxboro

>>65464847
Without a shadow of a doubt, Peyton Manning is superior in every aspect of the game.

>>65469173
Nice tears

>peyton manning scored literally zero(0) points in the owl


he was literally a game manager. Even Wilson played better when he won his.

>>65469233
Brady had 3 game winning SB drives in his first 3 SBs.

>>65468760
>>65468760
You cant cherry pick like that , please be logical

if you wanna compare post season stats, then brady is better

if you wanna compare head to head stats, then brady is better. Again. (11-6) or some shit.

you cant just pick what you like from this side, and mix it with this side and come upw ith your silly statements lol.

>>65469269

please excuse being 2-2 in Superbowls manningfag

>>65469233
>32-29
>vinatieri was 1 for 3

Okay

>>65469266
>implying an Australian shitposter could successfully hand the ball off in the NFL

>>65469268
>stats
He has like a 60 something rating in the SB.

>>65468880
>dick riding the Manning Crime Family this hard
Dem goons outside your house?

>>65469321
Peyton had the worst qbr of any sb winning QB ever. He was literally the definition of being carried. Trent dilfer was bettter.

>>65469268
Not a Bradyfag but Manning has played in 265 games, Brady has played in 223 games. That is a pretty big difference

>>65469268
>this bait

BILL SIMMONS BTFO

>>65469268
Volume stats in the regular season are utterly meaningless.

how about some stats for the clueless "fans" out there.

Tom Brady threw more TDs in the 4th quarter against the Seahawks last year than Peyton did in both his SB wins combined.

Nuff said.

>>65465119
>Brady's better than Peyton because of the rings!
>Stats don't matter at all, it's just rings
>Nope doesn't matter that he had better teammates, wins are 100% on the QB
>oh but Peyton didn't do anything to earn this ring
haterz gunna h8. Only QB to ever get a ring with two different teams, Brady is a system babby

>>65470159
So at least we agree Brady > Montana right?

>>65469957
He has also has as many legitimate Super Bowl rings as you or I

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>>65469467
>>65469577
>>65469616
>>65469841
>Peyton is first in all the stat categories that matter
>writes it off cus your subjective favorite can't compare

Guess who is celebrating the superb owl tonight, can guess which QB isn't
>hint: Brady and Cam both didn't win the superb owl

Has Manning ever played with Moss, Gronk, and Hernandez?

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>>65467324
No, he's going to lose to Eli again, so Eli can regain his bragging rights

>>65470159
>>65470159
belichick had a losing record b4 brady arrived.
if he was really a goat coach why didnt he have a wining record??

Tom Brady played with 4 to 6 different team lineups, and gues what the results are after each season?? Same ol brady steam rolling his way to a SB win or AFC championship. and the worst happens for him is losing a AFC Championship game.
Brady been so consistent throught out the years. So many different team mates but the results still the same. win win win win.

>>65470243
Which ones weren't legitimate and why?

>>65470287
Holy fuck, Eli is a piece of shit.

>>65470159
Manning has zero memorable positive plays in any of his SB victories. His most memorable SB plays are of him fucking up like the safety or the Tracys porter pick six.

He also has like 9 one and dones.

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>>65470211
How many Papa Johns commercials has Brady been in?

>>65470358
All of them for cheating

>>65470380
5-6 I think.

>>65470243
>>65470243
i just checked wiki and NFL and they all showing all legit SB wins. dunno what you talkin bout m8.

>>65465242
(You)

>>65470364
He knows there is now no valid argument to be even in the same discussion as Peyton for greatness now. Before tonight he at least had > more rings, to cling to.

>>65468782
I get that you are butthurt about a mediocre game manager who constantly gets btfo by the GOAT Peyton in big moments.

Tom is going to end his career with a painful chokejob loss while Peyton leaves as the winner.

I'm sorry for your sadness but I can't say you don't deserve it for bandwagoning a cheater who spends half the day on his back and the rest on his knees.

>>65470262
>Muh volume stats
>Muh ring for being carried by defense and special teams
No one cares broncofag. You'll get ass raped on opening night next year when the pats aren't a mash unit on offense.

>>65470426
How did he cheat last year? Last I checked the courts ruled him not guilty of any rules violations.

>>65470364
>>65470469

He's the only one that realizes that Peyton literally didn't do shit

>>65470472
How are brady fags sad when they outnumber you retarded broncofags even after you won the SB?

Manning is done. Brady still has 5 good years left to write his legacy.

>>65470472

>that flag
>this topic

kek

>>65470589
It's not like Eli did much to earn his first ring

>>65470589
but the NFL media will now never place those two in the same discussion. He will be forever known as Peyton's brother, and never a great QB.

>>65470472
>>65470472
Flash news, Brady is already the most accomplished QB in history of american football.

4 SB championships
6 confrence championships

That's 10 championships all together. So I doubt brady will be in any "pain".

lets not forget jst 12 months ago every one was talking about how brady's career will be gravy from now on. He cemented that he is the GOAT QB in the game. So any thing he adds now is just a bonus.

>>65470648
or his 2nd

>>65469173
>Cheatriots fans knowing anything about football

Seahawks could barely beat a below .500 Panthers team last year and got rekt against the Panthers twice this year.

Seahawks just looked good last year because they played against a garbage team like the Pats.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554258

>>65470714
This. The entire manning family are defense babys

>>65470675
Just a reminder that none of that matters because Peyton literally has the better head to head postseason record

>>65470648
>>65470714
>>65470771
>butthurt Patriots retards

Eli was phenomenal both those postseasons, you're just deluded retards if you think otherwise

>>65470645
>this flag
>this argument

>>65470636
>b-brady has more bandwagon fans
LOL this is literally all pats "fans" have left. Tumbling down.

it's over kids, no one with a serious opinion would pick Peyton. Him playing like garbage while his D carries him will never change that, and even now it's

>4-2

>>65470794

Broncos have the better record because the Patriots have generally been a worse team. Brady carries them year in, year out. Every team Peyton has ever played for has been stacked to the brim with talent, usually by circumventing the salary cap restrictions

>>65470675
>flag
>topic

LOL

>>65470794
That's meaningless when that record was literally due to luck. Peyton was busy going one and done so many times that he never faced brady when the pats weren't injuries to shit.

So is Manning the first starting QB to go to the Owl under two different teams and win for both?

>>65470893
Patriots are the lesser team because they have the lesser QB

>>65470917
Lmao it was luck so it doesn't count. Patsfags are so dumb it's a good thing you are dying of heroin overdoses.

>>65470917
>i-i-i-i-it's luck!!!!!!

Face it. Peyton literally shits all over Brady in the postseason

>durrrrr injuries

So fucking pathetic.

>>65470841
>throws two retarded passes that werected magically caught due to amazing plays by the receiver

Wes dropping the pass and the retarded hEmmet catch are the only reason why Eli isn't ringless.

>>65470270
Faulk, Edgerinn, Harrison, Wayne, Thomas & Thomas, Saunders.

>>65470841
Bullshit he was carried entirely by his defense who didn't show up until postseason. Both years they didn't allow more than 20 points a single playoff game.

>>65470989
if it were the other way around, you'd be the one saying "m-muh injuries tho". you're not fooling anyone

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>6 Superbowl Appearances
>4 rings
>3 SB MVP awards

>4 superbowl appearances
>2 rings
>1 sb mvp award

>>65471023
>if u take out da plays den pats win all games

It's obvious Brady is GOAT, but I hate te lulz Peypeyfags so much.

Die, just die, pls die.

>>65471023
If you're seriously calling Manning to Manningham a retarded pass lucky catch then you know literally nothing about football

>Wes dropping the pass

Also a terrible pass from Brady to begin with. The same Brady who fell like a bitch on his ass on the opening play for a safety. The same Brady who threw a ball literally right into the hands of Chase Blackburn which ended up being a Giants TD on the following drive. The same Brady who literally put up 15.5 points on average against the Giants in those two Super Bowls

>>65470974
Tom Brady threw 4 touchdowns in Mile High this year.

Peyton Manning threw 3.

>>65470989
>Peyton literally shits all over Brady in the postseason
Peyton has nine one and dones and a below .500 record. He's objectively shit in the post season.

Fun fact: You could have replaced Peyton Manning with Geno Smith and the Broncos still would have won that game

>>65471041
That doesn't mean he was carried by his defense you retard. He played absolutely phenomenally and came up as clutch as any player in postseason history

You're parroting stale and dead memes

>>65471177
>a below .500 record.
That's wrong, dumb patfag.

>>65471177
Apparently not since he's 3-2 in the postseason against Brady

>>65471046
Well it isn't and you're the retard making the excuses you dumb sack of fucking shit

>>65469209
I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY

>>65464847
He's not in the conversation and will not ever be in the conversation. Brady is a better quarter back, was a better quarterback and will always be the better quarterback.

Anybody who would take Manning over Brady on a hypothetical All-Time team is fucking delusional.

>>65471159
The Giants fumbled the ball like 3 times that magically bounced their way too if you want to nitpick.

Also that pass to wes was catchable and placed in an area where he wouldn't get killed.

The Manningham catch was equal parts the receiver for keeping his feet in bounds.

Eli is fucking awful anyway and can't even make the playoff without a God tier dline. he's a dine baby.

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Did Peyton do anything well this game?

2 points

2 turnovers

THIS is the supposed GOAT?

>>65468530
Manning could have scored 10 on Seattle without all of their starting DBs too, faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ED5kaWQRA

>>65468782
>Also when Tom missed season NE Pats missed the playoffs
NE ended that season 11-5, Colts went 2-14 without Manning.

>>65470486
>implying the Pats aren't going to get stomped by Brock for the next one and a half decades
Oh god, those Patriot tears are going to be delicious

>>65471239
OK would you rather say most losses and one and done so in post season history?

Peyton has been compete shit in the post season. He is literally last and second to last in qbr in SB wins. He did nothing in this game and they could have plugged in brock and the result would be the same.

>>65471225
Not allowing a single team to score more than 3 touchdowns worth of points is a tremendous defensive hold, especially in the playoffs.

>>65471276
>he's 3-2 in the postseason against Brady
Because he losses so many times in the first round that it's not even representative of anything anymore. Alps half the time he doesn't even do shit or the pats are injured to shit.

Manning is objectively terrible in the playoffs and this year was no different even if the record shows otherwise. He was even worse than trent dilfer when he went on his SB run.

>>65471741
I didn't say otherwise.

Seems like you can't read

>>65471408
I'm not nitpicking at all. I'm listing pretty memorable and key moments

>was catchable

It was also still a shitty pass

>equal parts to the receiver

It was more of an absolute pinpoint perfect pass

You're just a butthurt retard. He objectively played phenomenally in both postseasons. The defense was nowhere near as impressive in the 2nd Super Bowl run

>>65464847
>implying PeyPey had shit to do with this win
>implying getting carried by his defense in a season where he was one of the worst starting QBs positively adds to his legacy.

>>65470367
He has more wins over Brady in the Playoffs though.

>>65471631
>broncofag actually believe this
lel

You barely beat the mash unit version of the pats. You'll get stomped and embrassed on opening night.

>>65471789
>because he losses so many times that is't noe ven representative of anything anymore

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Peyton LITERALLY owns the superior H2H record in the postseason. Plain and simple

>MUH INJURIES

Every team has injuries you dumb fuck

>Manning is objectively terrible in the playoffs

That's objectively not true.

is this a meme thread?

seriously can't tell anymore

>>65471626
And the Broncos made it to the divisional round of the playoffs under Tebow and fucking Orton the year before Manning. His team has been stacked since the day he signed there.

>>65464847
Nothing about the owl this year puts manning > brady

Denver won with an amazing defense and special teams, that's it.

You can credit a big play by the Pats defense with finishing the game, but Brady was a crucial part of that win.

Manning could have been replaced with cutler and Denver would have won. You cannot say the same about Brady for any of his superbowls

You can argue manning is better, but SB50 does nothing for that claim

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>>65464847

>how can king with only 2 ring?

>>65471864
So does Eli you moron

>>65465550
huh you sure thats right?
Devin Hester opening kickoff 11-13 seconds or did they tie it?

Brady>Manning

When Brady wins again in the next two years then there will never be a point in debating this shit.

Peyton Manning in the Superbowl:

4 appearances
2 wins
2 losses
3 touchdowns
5 interceptions
20 points scored
2 fumbles lost
1 safety conceded


Tom Brady in the Superbowl:

6 appearances
4 wins
2 losses
13 touchdowns
4 interceptions
78 points scores
0 fumbles lost
0 safeties conceded

[spoiler]Papa John[/spoiler]>Manning

>>65471789
Speaking of representation, Peyton has beaten TOM three times in a row to REPRESENT his team in the super bowl.

>>65471844
>He objectively played phenomenally in both postseasons.
Scoring 17 and 19 points is not "phenomenonal" you idiot.

The 2011 pats also had the worst defense in the league making eli's performance even embrassing.

Eli is a dine and wes drop baby. He's terrible and that's why he can't even make the playoffs without an elite defense.

>>65468782
>SAME DEFENSE
come on
also denver was more injured during that sb

>>65472080
retard

>>65471870
>keeps calling me a broncofag
I am not a broncofag, I just don't see football through a narrow tunnel like you. There is more to football than brady, and Brady is about to become Brock's bitch.

>>65467872
>>65465814

BTFO

Absolutely beautiful, thank you anon

>>65470767
>>65470767
Thats why the year b4 that they ass fucked the broncucks?
what was the score 55 - 4 or something
the broncucks have been btfo many times, cant remember lel.

>>65471912
>Peyton LITERALLY owns the superior H2H record in the postseason. Plain and simple

So does eli, but no one thinks eli is better than brady because it was the defense that won them those games same for peyton.

Peyton literally did jack shit against the pats this year. he was carried by kicking and defense just like his first SB run.

>>65472100
Two games don't represent either postseason run you dumb sack of fucking shit

Regardless, he still performed well in both those games and came up with game winning performances.

You're just some butthurt actual retard. You're not even trying to think objectively

>15 TDS, 2 INT, 7.4 YPA, 63% completion percentage, 99 QB rating

yeah, real embarrassing shit performances

I don't even need to list the stats, you're just a dumb aspie that didn't even watch the games

His defenses weren't even elite in those years they won. They just showed up in his first SB run come playoff time

Then again you're probably just a dumb lonely troll

I won't waste any more of your useless time

3 of Brady's 4 rings have asterisks. 1 of Peyton's 2 rings has an asterisks as well. They each have 1 legit ring.

>>65472170
>Brady is about to become Brock's bitch.
lel

This is even more retarded than that idiot who thinks eli played "phenomenal" in the SB.

>>65469268

>No matter how many arguments you cherry pick,

You literally cherry picked the goal line interception. How retarded can you be, my friend?

>>65472283
Yeah, but Peyton is being compared to Brady so that is relevant

>literally did jack shit against the Pats this year

He beat them. That's more than Brady did, ignoring that absolute laughable performance he put in against the Broncos D

>>65472083
and who has won more? and who has been more?

Not Peyton, despite juicing himself and his chicken parm arm to the gills to compete every year

>>65469109
>they dont play each other on the field

But they play against other teams in the playoffs so Brady gets credit for his team wins while Peyton gets credit for the losses

Okay

That's totally not a double standard

>>65472386
Tell me when Tom puts up a 56.6 rating and people act like he won a (5th) ring. I mean you saw the game, Peyton did shit. Your heart and mind knows it, yet here you are.

>>65472322
>claims eli played phenomenonal in SB
>lists irrelevant playoff stats to hide mediocre SB performance

The Giants defense was the reason eli is even relavent. Holding all your opponents to under 20 points a game is elite as fuck and the only reason why eli has any rings.

17 and 19 pointsoup in the SB, one against the worst defense in the league, is God awful and you're a moron to say otherwise.

>>65472465
His first Super Bowl was a pretty mediocre performance

Regardless. You can't just flaunt rings and act like it's the end all then proceed to disregard's Peyton's

Peyton did better than Brady in that AFC title game. That should speak volumes more on how shitty Brady was

>>65472330
just checked NFL.com I didn't see any asterisks

>>65465293
3rd and 1 shotgun lmao

>>65472489
>irrelevant stats

I see, you're just trolling

Very funny.

It's probably beneficial for your future if you don't act like a mindless barely functioning aspie though

>>65464847
4-2>>>>>>2-2

>>65472386
Brady was the only QB to throw for 300 yards against the broncos D and wins that game if Belichick isn't retarded and kicks FGs or ghosts makes a pat.

Brady was more expressive in that game than manning was and brady didn't even play that well. That's just how shit and irrelevant manning was to the broncos SB run.

Brady has the team accomplishments (wins, SB rings)

Manning has the stats. As individuals, it's clear who the better player is.

The things that Brady can hold over Manning are Bill Belichick's accomplishments.

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>>65472529
yeah Peyton was amazing on defense that game, he had 2 sacks and got constant pressure

>>65472381
Do pat fans just not know when to give up? Brady is the Manning Bro's bitch, and Peyton is about to pass his torch to Brock. Accept it before it starts to destroy you.

>>65472529
>His first Super Bowl was a pretty mediocre performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXllTqkkk_8

>>65472659

haha

>>65472440
You know that's not an argument I ever made, you transvestal lube.

Brady's done more for his team. If the Broncos were down 10 points with 10 minutes left, the Super Bowl would be over. Not so with Brady.

Manning has literally become the system babby that gets dragged to the Super Bowl by his defense.

>>65472570
It's irrelevant to bring up non SB stats when you were talking about SB performance. Fuck you're such a fucking idoit. Just leave already and stop embrassing yourself.

>>65469570
>Who is Ben Roethlisberger

>>65472529
Brady had the game winning drive in his first SB. He literally topped manning in good SB moments when he was only 23 years old.

>>65472705
We're not just talking about Super Bowl performances you literal fucking retard

Fucking castrate yourself if any woman will ever even bother listening to your dumb ass for more than 5 seconds

Take a rake to your microcock and just go to town, spare us anything that could remotely emulate you

>19/34, 255, 2 TDS, 1 INT
>30/40, 296 yards, 1 TD

>game winning drive each time

OMG THE DEFENSE CARRIED HIM, WHAT A SHIT QB

I fucking hate you. I would literally kick your dumb ass if I ever saw it

>>65472704
Manning isn't even a system baby. His a QB that the team wins in despite of instead of even "managing" anything. He's literally worse than trent dilfer.

>>65466500

He enjoys watching a black dude do all the hard work and he gets off by watching.

feels good.jpg

>>65472697
That was one of the last Super Bowls of the hard nose NFL. Now it's all about ratings.

>>65472704
>4 Super Bowl appearances with 4 different HCs
> System babby
Pick one and only one

>>65472704
>You know that's not an argument I ever made

No, I don't. Because you responded to something that was talking about team record you fucking retard

I find it so baffling how unbelievably literally autistic Patriots fans get when they talk about Peyton. They cannot even comprehend the most basic of conversations

You're talking about irrelevant shit right now. Peyton has the better H2H and he outplayed Brady this postseason as Denver won the Super Bowl

>>65472647
Yeah Brady kicked those amazing game winning field goals and made an amazing interception at the goal line

Jesus fucking christ

>be Brit
>think NFL looks fun
>see all these people being talked about
>see all the references to stats and shit
>don't understand a fucking thing about NFL apart from how to score

Fuck sake. I'll never learn this thing...

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I'm a hug PFM fan but that blowout loss to Seahawks and the resulting win next year by the patriots put the Brady vs manning debate to bed. i like to think if manning stayed healthier or if he had the patriots system he would have done better but we will never know.

he would have to come back next year and win it again for it to even be a discussion, we joke about QBs be carried by kickers/defenses a lot but there is no denying that's what happened this year, if i was Peyton i would just leave this ring in a box and never wear it.

>>65466738
You were banned for racism.

>>65472841
Those weren't the fucking stats you posted early you fucking retard and they're still medicore as fuck and far from "phenomenal".

17 and 19 points, one against the worst defense in the league is fucking awful

Eli is and forever will be a dline baby. The guy is the luckiest QB to play in the last two decades.

>>65472998
you have all off season to educate yourself, i recommend watch NFLs top 100 players of all time

>>65472980
>>65472980
he fucking carried the team throught out the match and scored points against the no.1 defense. The NE pats interception at SB last year was the first good play they came up with in the last 6 years. Its all been about Brady. Dont fool your sefl.

Also 2 weeks ago Brady played better than peyton manning and he was facing No.1 Defense and without a proper O-Line.

Peyton was facing a shitty defense and performed much worse than brady.

>>65473105
>those werent' the fucking stats

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT

HOW FUCKING

STUPID

CAN

YOU

BE

>still mediocre as fuck

Just stop. It hurts too much.

>far from phenomenall

Oh god, you still can't read, JUST stop

Jesus fucking christ, please drench your gene pool with chlorine you fucking aspie

You are so fucking stupid

You're literally burying your head in the sand and just sperging out screaming "NO!!!!!!"

Oh god, just stop, you got me, you baited me perfectly

Here's your (You)

Please fuck off now

>>65472930
>he outplayed Brady this postseason as Denver won the Super Bowl

Brady throwing for 300 yards and willing his team back against that defense in Denver with zero protection was more impressive than manning game managing his way to 20 points.

>>65472841
>>65472841
You are so fucking thick in the head.
Wining drive AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
the second SB win the NE defense just let the giants run up and score so brady can get the chance with the ball for 10 seconds. THATSHOW BAD THE NE DEFENSE WAS.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Manning was carried by his D. But at least he has two rings without cheating, which is two more than Brady has.

>>65472930
Peyton did not outplay Peyton this postseason. He's done. He probably had better stats than Cam today but that doesn't mean he outplayed him. If you'd prefer wobbly pass Peyton over Cam or Brady, you're a homer and probably a gay too.

>>65472067

There was a safety called on Brady in 46 for "intentional grounding" after he overthrew Branch by 15 yards.

>>65473250
>loses argument
>goes into autistic rage

Typical mentally damaged retard.

>>65473306
>HGH sent to his wife, admitted by his rep

This is a fact, but nobody cares.

>>65473210
Now you're just being delusional and you know it

>Brady played better than Peyton Manning

That's just stupid. You can say all you want about Peyton being shit that game and this posteason but Brady was absolute dogshit in that game, plain and simple

>he was facing a No.1 defense

All you're admitting is that Brady was shit that game

>and without a proper O-line

How many more pathetic excuses are you going to make? Brady probably has less than you do. If you hadn't noticed Peyton is made of fucking glass right now and still managed to outperform Brady in the AFC title game

>shitty defense

Ranked 9th in the league.

>performed much worse

There's nothing that supports that, just excuses

>>65469237
The bomb to Reggie Wayne vs. the Bears?
Derp.

>>65472930
>>65472930
No manning didnt out played brady you thick headed bastard. Stop eating too much chease you fat greesy fuck you are getting so stupid. Its your national sport and you still dont fucking know Manning faces the NE defense and Brady faces the Broncos defense.

god plz help me with this fuckin dumb kunt.

Manning faced a shitty defense and he was carried by his runing back

Brady faced the best defense and he beat them. It was mistakes by his coach (for not going to FG) and mistakes by his kicker (not gettin the extra 1 point).

Thats what made them lose.

Also the season game was decided by coin toss, belichek wanted broncos to start first and tht cost them the game.

>>65473443
No need to be so hard on yourself.

You didn't know any better

I get it. If I was too fucking autistic to function and read a few sentences I'd be fuming too

>>65472535

>implying NFL.com would show the truth.

>>65473298
It was the game winning drive you dumb fucking aspie.

Or do you think that the Giants didn't take the lead that game?

I mean what the fuck are you even arguing about? You're literally looking for anything to make Brady look good

>let the giants run up and score

That's so they could have more time to score on their drive you fucking retard

You so pathetically bandwagon your team and you don't even know a single thing about them

desu if you actually believe manning is better after watching his turd of a performance tonight, you probably have some form of mental impairment.

that said i am very confident most of you don't believe that and are just trolling

>>65473474
>>65473474
>he was facing a No.1 defense

All you're admitting is that Brady was shit that game
WHAT?? how is that "addmiting he was shit" are you fucking stupid??? PLZ BROTHER for the love of god for the sake of humanity stop eating so much cheese, you are so fukcin stupid ahahahahahah.

Brady defeated the broncos Defense, it was mistakes by his coach and kicker that gave the win to broncos.

Brady had no defense, no proper wide recievers no runing game, and no O-Line. He single handedly carries the team. On the other hand Manning has best defense, top notch quality recievers, mvp running back and best O Line in the game. Not to mention his kicker is like 100% this post season, WTF, the broncos kicker was kicking the 40 and 50 yards kick as well THATS FUCKING INSANE.

>>65469335
Viniateri kicked three FGs, you mean. Thank the Panthers for kicking off out of bounds, putting the Gaytriots only 35 yards out of fiekd goal range to begin with on their last drive. Look at the stats again. Fucking Jake Delhomme played a statistically better game than Brady in SB XXXVIII.

>>65473421

oh shit I forgot about that, good call

>>65473640

Single handedly? Couldn't move the ball in the 4th without Gronk. I love the Pats as much as anybody, but Edelman was having trouble separating and the O-Lineman was no match for Miller, Ware, and Co.

Brady's stats may have been garbage, but I'll be damned if he wasn't fighting that whole game to the last second. Probably wishes he could have been on the onside kick team to try and recover that ball himself.

>>65473640
Jesus christ you're not even trying anymore. You're just raging out like the underevolved subhuman you are

You're just making excuse after excuse, essentially just admitting that Brady wasn't good enough

Maybe if you were a bit more evolved you could understand simple reading comprehensoin

>Brady defeated the broncos defense

Scoreline and his performance say otherwise

>Brady had no defense, no proper receivers, no no no no no nono!!!!

You are so fucking pathetic. Please get help for your crippling idolatry and delusional autism

>>65464847
>THIS MUCH B8

I hate Brady but he's better than Budweiserton Manning

>>65473594
>>65473594
>>65473594
AHAHAHAHHA god you are so fucking stupid.

READ WHAT I FUCKING SAID.

In the 2nd super bowl in the last fucking drive, when the giants were 20 yards away form the touchdown zone, the NE defense on purpose allowed the giants to run and score a TD so brady can get the ball back and try to score.

Does your thick head know why they did this?? Coz the NE defense is so shit , that every one (including the D) knew they are so useless so might as well jst let em score.

Do you think this woulda happend if brady had the broncos defense??

>>65473594
No one but you thinks eli is anything more than a dline and wes drop baby.

19 points against the worst defense in the league. If brady isn't forced to take a safety the pats don't even let the Giants score so 19 points is generous. He was Medicare and lucky as fuck. Nothing more.

Eli should kiss a picture of Justin tuck every night because that's the only reason why he has any rings at all.

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>>65473647
>Gaytriots

just kill yourself you inbred faggot, Tom Brady shit on your team and no crying will change that. And it wasn't a 56.6 rating game either you salty cunt

Oh and Cam's a criminal nigger and will never win because he's criminal nigger

>>65473505
Jesus christ you're one little pathetic aspie

A little pathetic aspie bandwagoner whose opinion literally doesn't even matter

>faced a shitty defense

Wasn't shitty at all. You're just some third world bandwagoner living in a mudhut sucking up to your idol who'd probably laugh in your ugly fucking aboriginal face

You're making a bunch of shitty fucking excuses for him yet completely ignore Peyton being completely broken and outperforming Brady

God, you are pathetic

>>65473110
Does that really explain all the intricacies of NFL? I want to learn because UK is getting into NFL now just like USA got into football in the 80's and recently.

>I'll never be the first MVP for Britbongistan American Football Team in the Top Show Bowl.

Shame.

>>65472038
The clock stopped at 14:46 for hester

>>65473640
When the Broncos went to the super bowl in the 2013 season Peyton was much better than Brady and Peyton offence was good just like his was. Now the Bronco's went into the superbowl with a better defense and won but their 2013 offense was better than anything Brady has done, and 90% of that was Manning passing ability. Brady is shit and cheated on every single win or is alleged of it. His wife looks kind of like a dude, and well he's going to be 39 and Peyton will be 40. Great I hope he plays his last season by not making the play offs and leaving giselle for her money

>>65470486
>caring about what some else posts on a Chinese cartoon image board
Consider sodoku

>>65473687
Brady was more expressive than manning in that game against the broncos and brady wasn't even that good -- that's how shit and irrelevant manning was that game. He only scored 3 points in the second half and that was 100% on CJ anderson. The broncos literally won because CJ broken off a long run.

>>65473704
>Coz the NE defense is so shit


That had nothing to do with it. They let Bradshaw score on that play because they didn't want the Giants to waste time and potentially score with no time remaining. That's smart playcalling

I wouldn't expect some little underdeveloped monkey from the mountains to understanding something beyond basic comprehension

Surprised they got internet in your little swamp.

>do you think this woulda happend if brady had the broncos defense

Would that have stopped him from that humiliating safety, horrible pass to Welker, and horrible pass to Blackburn, not to mention putting up 17 points against that mediocre Giants secondary?

>>65473726
Tom Beiber didn't shit on my team. You have no idea what team I'm a fan of. this is just empiracle statistics. The Gaytriots didnt even play my team this year, shitstain.

>>65473708
>a bunch of autistic Pats fans think Eli was a fluke so he clearly is

Just stop bro, you already embarrassed yourself before and pathetically backtracked

I don't want to make you sperg out and cry again

What was written on the Broncos players tablet when Joe Namath was walking with the Super Bowl trophy? The camera cut away and it was really hard to read

>>65466819
>being this loomy

>>65473687
>>65473687
NO YOU FUCKIN ASSWIPE

Im trying to get to your thick fucking head and tell you football is not just about QBs, there are 52 players on each team.

Those examples im giving you that brady played better than manning but lost becuase the rest of brady's teammates played like shit and the rest of manning's teammates played like goat.

THATS THE REASON WHY THEY WON. FUCK ME YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.

why the fuck you americans obssessed with QBs so much? thats what i noticed the most about you kunts, you love to suck the QBs dick like no 2moro.

FUCK OFF FAGGOTS GET OF THEIR DICKS.
THERE ARE 51 OTHER PLAYERS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE GAME.

Manning has better

Postseason qb rating
Single season td average
Single season qb rating avg
Single season passing yards avg

So how is Brady better

Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Peyton Manning doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to drive the ball down the field and win his last game. If the Broncos win, we'll embrace what makes football the greatest sport in the world.

>Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Peyton Manning doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to drive the ball down the field and win his last game. If the Broncos win, we'll embrace what makes football the greatest sport in the world.

Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Peyton Manning doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to drive the ball down the field and win his last game. If the Broncos win, we'll embrace what makes football the greatest sport in the world.

>Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Peyton Manning doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to drive the ball down the field and win his last game. If the Broncos win, we'll embrace what makes football the greatest sport in the world.

>>65473872

you live in america mate.

literally the dumbest 1st world country on earth.

NZ may be small but they at least can form opinions based on facts and not meme's

New England had a better ranked defense in 2007 than the Giants

Brady put up 14 points to Eli's 17

lol

2011, Giants had the 27th ranked defense and Brady only put up 17

lol

>>65473981
shut up australia

If it wasn't for Mo Lewis, no of you fuctards would even know Tom Bray's name.

P.S., his wife it a beard more than Kelly Preston or Katie Holmes ever were. Fact.

>>65473981
>another third world shithole full of undervolved aboriginals and criminals shitting on America

AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAH

>based on facts and not memes

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA

You are monkeys in the zoo. I just watch you retards fling shit at each other

>>65473981
Sheep fucker

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>>65473981
>mfw Australia can't handle the bantz on Super Bowl night

>>65474063

that's why my standard of living is objectively higher then yours and my country is also statistically whiter then yours

nice fedora tipping response ;)

>>65473943
>there are 52 players on each team

Except apparently when Brady wins, because it's all literally him

>why are you Americans obsessed with QBs so much

I'm not the aspie worshiping Brady and making every excuse in the book for him

You literally brought up the rings argument then said there are 52 players on each team

You are so fucking pathetic. You're literally as dumb as your flag would imply

>>65473903
>I don't want to make you sperg out and cry again

Is this something retarded austic coping mechanism?

You literally threw an autism tantrum when I destroyed your idiotic "phenomenal" eli SB myth and you're just projecting like a retard right now.

>>65473916
Yeah, I notice that. The camera cut away real fuckin quick. That 5 second delay for editing kicked in.

>>65473872
>>65473872
or maybe if they had a decent fuckign defense, they let them play so the NE defense intercept the ball and score a TD on their own?? what is that too much to fucking ask?? every single SB won by the defense, except Tom Brady. He has to do his on his own!!


>>65473678
>Couldn't move the ball in the 4th without Gronk.

ohhhh wow, thanks bro for making it clear for me. So brady is supposed to throw the ball, run up and catch it himself. cool.

but ya i knw brady played like shit (for brady's standard) but still played much better than manning.


who cares about our opinion, we are mainly fans and are biased.

when deion sanders said dont compare brady with manning, he said it for a reason you cheesy fat fuck.

>>65474115
Who gives a shit about that?

You live in some country overrun with literal monkeys and descendants of criminals

I'm surprised your country could even function a computer

I mean just look at you, you can barely even communicate without sperging out like your jungle ancestry encodes you with

>>65474135
>no you

Great argument bro ;)

>>65474000
Yeah, the Giants defense became elite as fuck and held every team they faced to 20 points or less including a prime mvp arron Rodgers in their two super bowl runs.

steelers fan:

no doubt in my mind before this win
spygate helped the pats win aginst us in 2004
it helped them win against us in 2001

good for pey pey
c yinz in the hof soon

>>65473916

world champs

>>65474128
>>65474128
i bourght it up bcoz this thread is about manning and brady you fucking dumb kunt.

seriously look at what the cheese doing to your brain. you are so fucking thick now.

you shit kunts keep making shitty threads like these. like deion sanders said, you just cant compare manning to brady. no way you can do that, you just cant put manning with brady's accomplishments ( the ones that matter you fat cheesy fuckwits)

4 SB
6 confrence champs

total 10 championships.

>>65474181

you keep saying people are sperging out, but to be honest the only person here who seems to be in some sort of autistic rage has been you.

I am perfectly calm, i made over $800 backing the broncos to win by 14+ today, and just came online to enjoy some american tears.

>>65474221
I already destroyed your stupid arguments. You're just shitposting and throwing around memes now because you're butthurt and autistic

>>65474140
It was 2nd and goal on the 10, with a minute left, the Giants are only down by 2. It was a logical move

>they let them play so the NE defense intercept the ball and score a TD on their own

This must be that elaborate Australian shitposting I've always heard about. You can't actually be this stupid can you? Nature doesn't always dictate behavior, does it?

Oh god, you might actually be retarded.

I'll leave you alone then. That 2nd half of the post only confirms my suspicions

>>65474259

stop falling for their bait.

if an american actually expressed these opinions in real life they would be laughed at. It's just something american neckbeards on /sp/ say because they never played sport and have no idea about anything

>>65474181
>descendants of criminals


same goes with the US bud

the women were prostitues of in europe and the men were theifs and murders. so european were trying to clean street from the filth and decided to put your ancestors in a ship and sail them accros the oceans.

thats why when your criminal ancestors landed on the new world they started killing and stealing the lands of the natives.

>>65473726
Way to deflect, dipshit. Want to actually comment on the fact that you team ended up with the ball lst, and all Brady did was get them about 35 yards, so Vinatieri could save their asses with a field goal at the end of the game. Once again, Jake fucking Delhomme played a better game the Brady in SB XXXVIII. Tell me I'm wrong. Shit, if it wasn't for that tuck rule bullshit, no one would know Brady's name. Everything has an asterix for the Gaytriots. Everything.

>>65474225
And the Patriots proceeded to have 15 PPG allowed in that postseason so Eli surpassed expectations

And if you're gonna go solely off points then the Patriots were actually ranked 15th in the league that year in points allowed

So there's go your argument I guess

Not that you even had one if I'm being honest

>>65474288
>It was 2nd and goal on the 10, with a minute left, the Giants are only down by 2. It was a logical move

A position they were only in because the Giants elite as fuck dline forced a safety. Otherwise they play that situation completely differently and Eli isn't gifted points.

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>>65474259
>football is a team sport!!!!

>brings up the ring argument

>>65474273
>no you!!!!

Real mature.

God you sound like such a child.

Do you third worlders have nothing better to do? Where are you gonna spend those 800 dirt dollars anyways? To get some clean water?

>>65474337

autism: the post

>>65474288
>It was 2nd and goal on the 10, with a minute left, the Giants are only down by 2. It was a logical move


sigh this guy so fucking STUPIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

do you fucking think the seahawks defense or 2nite's broncos defense woulda done the same?
NO FUCKIN WAY

do you know why fatty?

because the seahawk and broncos defense will just rush the fuck outta QB and push him back and do something usefull,

in the other hand the NE are fucking USE LESS
they are there jst riding of tom brady's offense. if brady was playing against that defense then it would be blowout. get real

>>65474279
Destroyed them with what? By sperging out and calling Eli shit because you don't like him? Being completely incapable of basic reading comprehension?

Yeah great ""argument"" bro

>>65474422

I truly hope you see a professional and get help for whatever disorder it is you seem to be suffering form.

Genuinely.

>>65474337
If Vinatieri isn't 1/3 against the panthers Delhomme isn't even in the game. He could have easily been the reason they lost just like he was the reason they won against the rams.

>Tuck rule

lel at this pathetic autist. It's been fucking 15 years and this still makes these idiots mad.

>>65474438
>let the Giants run the ball and get a game winning field goal with no time

Or

>let them get a touch down and give yourself time to get a score

Sounds logical to me. Then again little monkeys from your armpit of the world don't have that do they :(

>riding of tom brady's offense

The same Tom Brady offense that put up 17 points that game hahahahahhaha!

>>65474489
I see what's going on here

You've come to realization in which someone has exposed your brash immaturity and dared to even remotely called you out on it

For once you're actually exiting your child like state of ignorance and facing the real world

In a sense, you're getting the maturation you clearly lacked early on in life for whatever reason

I think you're just scared of what reality has to offer, and I can tell I've gotten to you based off your hostility

I intimidate you. That's not how I want these sort of revelations to happen but it's apparent it's the only way you can learn as your juvenile ways are based off of intimidation and condescension

You need to help yourself, but I will help you if need be

>>65474456
lel at this backtracking

17 and 19 points, one against the worst defense in the league and 6 points came from the pats giving up a TD are not "phenomenal" performances.

You never refuted this ever and just started raging like a autist afterward.

In b4 you reply with another autistic tantrun

>>65474429
Once again, ad hominem all you want, but is anything I typed untrue in the least? I Thought not. No address what I've stated, or piss off. did that last kickoff not go out-of-bounds. Did Brady only have to take the offense 35 yards down the field for a fucking field goal (like all 3 of their first SB wins)? Did Jake not play the better game, just Brady ended up w/ the ball last?

You're fucking out of you element, Donny. (If you're even old enough to get the reference , you bandwagonning Gaytriots child).

>>65474238
Jerome Bettis pls go