The great debate.

Sadly it's not really much debate anymore. Even as a lifelong 49er fan I think Brady is the GOAT. He's been to more super bowls, has better stats and went 16-0. Can't really argue against it.

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>>65415684
Wrong

Tim Brody has too many asterisks. History won't be kind or romanticize him and 18-1 will never go away

>>65415812
lol bills fan detected

>>65415684

Well 16 is four more than 12 so I'm going to say 16 is better.

>Comparing Tom 'GOAT' Brady and a literally who

stay pleb shitugal

>>65415931
/thread

Montana was a playmaker.
Brady is a system babby. A brilliant system babby, but a system babby nonetheless.

>>65415684

Brady has just accomplished too much at this point, it has to be him. By the time he retires and compiles higher numbers, there really won't be any room for debate at all, even if he doesn't win another title. He's just done so much.

>inb4 retards compare stats from completely different eras

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>>65420382
Oh, hey Joe and Tom.

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>>65415684
Here's the real variable.

Can Brady lead another team under a different coach to at least the AFC or NFC championship game?

Put Brady on those 49ers teams.

He'd teach Walsh a thing or a million.

>>65421332
depends, what team is he going to?
a team with a several playmakers on offense, an all-time great defense, and a QB wizard coach who has taken 4 different QB's to superbowls?
yeah, i'd say his chances are probably pretty good

>>65420516

You don't have to compare the passing stats, the titles, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, winning percentage speak for themselves.

>>65421332

That's kind of not a fair question. If you put Brady on the Browns would they even make the playoffs? Probably not, but neither would Peyton, Montana, Marino, Favre, etc.

>>65421332
THIS. Fucking. This. Brady can't be the GOAT unless he wins with another team. He has had all the stability in the world.

>>65421504
THis.

Is Elway or Staubach the GOAT?

'Cuz these are the only QB's I see making a difference in that situation.

How great was Kosar?

>>65421537
>Charlie Weis
>Bill O'Brien
>Josh McDaniels

>>65421459
Winning percentage is all about his stable coaching staff and team. Romo has better 4th quarter comeback numbers. Your Precious tommy boy isn't the GOAT

>>65421656
Wat?

How would Brady do say.. under Coughlin-era Giants?

>>65421504
"Not a fair question".

We're not talking about a super shit unsavable team. But Brady has the same HC his whole career. He's a product of Belichick

all depends how you frame it:

better QB in a vacuum? brady

better QB on a team/organization as a whole? brady

better playoff QB? brady

better QB in terms of owl wins? tied BUT bradys been to more sooo kinda brady

better QB in terms of toughness/grit? montana. he took hits in a different era.

better QB in terms of gotta go fast? montana

he'll never admit his true feelings, but i am dying to know what brady feels about the fact that he grew up idolizing montana, and he now is *better* than a childhood hero, and potentially one of the greatest ever. it must be such a rush that so few people will ever feel in their lives.

>>65415684
Brady is a system baby that gets exposed every time a secondary can actually cover his receivers.

He also has a losing record against his both Mannings and Broncos always kick his teeth in. You can't be GOAT if you have that one group you can't beat. Also all that cheating.

>>65415684
>Blue
Patriots, brought about the greatest country ever to grace the Earth in the history of civilization
>Red
Filthy redcoats

There is no question

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Great debate? Tom Brady isn't even the best QB in the league right now. He is a system QB.

Montana played in a time where it was harder on QBs and WRs, too.

Rodgers is a better passer than both.

>>65421993
>Rice babby
>Walsh babby

>>65421993

Montana played on a stacked as fuck team retard

>>65421977
Nobody holist against Federer that he dominated everyone except claybabby Nadal

Your argument is retarded because nobody has dominated as cumulatively as Brady has, Mannings or not

>>65422076
>>65422082

Stay mad, Bradyfags. The fact is, 99% of people over the age of 16 know that Brady is shit.

>Gronk babby
>Moss babby
>Belichek babby

>>65421993
>Played in the WCO when defenses hand idea what it was
>Calls Brady a system babby

Lmao you can't make this shit up

>>65422151

see >>65422139

>>65415684
>implying there is a debate at all

Tom pls

>>65421332
Like a team with Jerry Rice and an innovative offensive system that would change the way people play offense?

>>65421332

Definitely not. Matt Cassel went 11-5 with the Patriots and we see how he plays.

If Garoppolo plays good we will know 100% that Brady is a fraud. Right now it is 98%.

>pussy NFL
>absolutely shit tier conference like the NBA east
>0-2 vs Eli
It isn't even a debate, Montana is the GOAT, faggy millennials

>>65415684

>b-but muh different tougher era
>b-but muh system

as the years go by, the haters arguments will become more asinine and pathetic. better stats, better record, better with less. yes, he has had some great talent on his teams over the years, but what great QB hasn't?

Brady is superior and the greatest QB to ever play the game. Anyone who disagrees is just fooling themselves because of jealousy.

>>65422301
> but what great QB hasn't?
All of the one's who never won owls. This stupid argument about "my qb played on a worse team" needs to stop, because it takes a good team to win owls.

>>65422301
>playing against lesser competition means nothing
>being that teenage autist in a karate class full of eight year olds

>>65422383

It does take a good team to win Owls, but if you have an excellent QB and o-line, you could be a contender even with mediocrity everywhere else.

>>65422383

that was never my argument, it's actually the opposite. I agree, it takes a good overall team in order to compete and win a super bowl.

in regards to montana and brady, they both had strong supporting casts in stretches of their careers (walsh/rice, belicheck/moss). If we hold that point even for both quarterbacks, the one with better stats and more titles is logically superior.

>>65422611
I was agreeing with you and trying to add on.

>>65422401

are you fucking retarded? do you believe that green texting automatically takes what you say and makes it valid?

if you're saying that brady played against lesser competition in comparison to montana then prove it. i will wait.

>>65422663

sorry pal :)

Brady has won 4 super bowls without ever having a good defense. Too me that puts him at #1 all time without any question.

>>65422763
>without ever having a good defense

funny

>>65422678
>modern AFC
>0-2 vs ELI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DaYCeIsWono
>angry millenial trying to pass of modern pass happy era as the greatest
LOL

>>65415684
It's between Manning and Montana now.

Brady rivals others for 3rd

2000:
Throws 3 passes all season as he rides the bench.

>2001:
Throws only 1 TD the entire playoffs as spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to a Super Bowl victory.

>2002:
Throws for less yards than Kerry Collins in regular season as Patriots finish behind Dolphins and Jets in the AFC East to miss the playoffs.

>2003:
Throws for fewer TDs than Aaron Brooks in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2004:
Throws for fewer TDs than Jake Delhomme in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2005:
Throw 2 INTs and gets outplayed by Jake Plummer as Patriots lose to Broncos in divisional round.

>2006:
Throws 3 INTs with a 57.6 QB rating while barely getting by Chargers, implodes against the Colts in AFC Championship loss.

>2007:
Throws only 1 TD and gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the biggest choke in professional sports history, blowing immortality and a perfect season. "MVP" year.

>2008:
Throws 11 passes before missing the entire rest of the year because he can't withstand a basic hit. Patriots still manage to win 11 games without him.

>2009:
Throws 3 INTs at home with a 49.1 QB Rating in wild card round loss to the Ravens.

>2010:
Throws INT after not throwing one since Week 5 and gets outplayed by Mark Sanchez in divisional round loss at home to Jets. "MVP" year.

>2011:
Throws 2 INTs with a 57.5 QB Rating while barely getting by the Ravens, gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the Super Bowl... again.

>2012:
Throws 2 INTs with a 62.3 QB Rating in AFC Championship loss to Ravens.

>2013:
Throws only 1 TD in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.

>2014:
Throws for less yards than Philip Rivers in the regular season; deflategate, Seattle's awful play calling on the 1 carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2015:
Throws 2 INTs with a 56.4 QB rating in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.

>Cheatriots bandwagoners

i love how 4chan poster have a better knowledge of the game then the players and coaches themselves, most of whom say brady is the goat

>>65422856
how sad will you be when peyton gets bbc'd in the superbowl again?

>>65422904
>hasn't watched sports long enough to know who they go on about at qb changes according with the tide of fans
>patriots """""""""" fans""""""""""

>>65422904

You're on a board that thinks going 18-1 is somehow worse than getting btfo 49-3 in the divisional round. What do you expect?

>>65422904
>Ron Jaworski: Colin Kaepernick could be the greatest QB ever

>>65422929
>he's telling a truth that makes my ass bleed
>must be a Peyton fanboy
Kekekek

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>>65421332

Brady could take literally any team to the playoffs and take a good team to the Owl

People don't realize just how shitty and anemic this franchise has been over the years. Brady is the Achilles of professional sports.

>>65422982
answer the orginal question. how sad will you be?

>>65423013
>Forgets that Matt Cassel led the Pats to a 11-5 record and they barely missed the playoffs.

>Brady is a system babby!
>His backup went 11-5!
Meanwhile
>Montana's backup won a SB with his team

>>65423013
>this delusion
he knows it's not true, which is why he'll retired under his linus blanket

>>65423062
He missed the playoffs with a team that won 18 games the year before. The patriots were a great team at that point.

>>65422856
gotta love that 4chan hyperbole, you realize you could do this with any player right? then just wait for someone to respond then scream BUTTHURT

>>65423065
>millenial doesn't know who Steve Young is

>>65423018
Not very since I like Cam

>>65423120
Still his backup, clearly Walsh's WCO system made them both good

>>65415934
"Literally who"
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Joe+Montana

>>65422856
>QBR

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>65415684
I think maxres is better than default

>millennial cheatriots fans

>>65422815

you are reaching and you know it. as i said, prove it to me from a meaningful, metric-based standpoint, which you failed miserably to do, resorting to green texting because you believe it takes away the burden of making valid, salient points.

>modern AFC meme
https://blog.mozhu.info/is-there-a-pattern-of-dominance-between-the-nfc-and-the-afc-ef04ad435e88#.6egnlwog9

>0-2 vs ELI
He has a losing record vs Eli in the Super Bowl. What is your point here? This is usually the worst, illogical argument against QBs that lose in the Super Bowl. Are you trying to make the point that it is worst to get to the Super Bowl and lose, then not reaching it at all? Fucking retard.

>posting a fucking arbitrary video as "evidence" based around a former QB going "i swear he did it!!"
Did you even watch the video or did you just search for defamatory shit on Youtube in order to crutch up your non-existent arguments? Troy even said in the video "I still haven't seen where it was determined that air was not let out of the balls". Nice one, guilty until proven innocent.

Your reasoning skills are not well-developed.

>>65416230
>but a system babby nonethele
>>65416230
just look at your self how stupid you are
joe montana played with the no.1 defense for 7 or 8 years, yet he managed to reache the superbowl only four times, what a loser, tom brady literlary with no team at all managed to win the confrence 6 fucking times, not 4 like joe, but impressive 6 times. and won the SB 4 times, thts unbelieveable.
oh also forgot to mention that joe was playing with arguably the greatest reciever of all time all his life, he had best recievers and best runing back and O line. Go back and watch his games or learn more about game history b4 u run u open your crap.

Brady is better than Montana. No question there

But he is not better than Marino or Peyton

>>65415684
>great debate
are you really comparing the GOAT to some kid who lost 2 superbowls to Eli fucking Manning?

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>>65423250
>qb wins sb
>omg he's so based fuck my boypussy
>qb gets shat on by rainman twice in SBS
>reeeeee worst argument faggot reeeeee

One went to 6 owls, the other went to four.

Both won 4.

Gee I wonder who's better.

>>65423065
You do realize that Steve Young won the Super Bowl 5 years after Montana won his last one in SF. Hell, Montana retired when Steve Young won his only SB ring.

>>65423330
You understand it's not boxing, right? Brady and Eli don't go out on the field and throw punches 1 on 1.

>>65422850
This is his 3rd bowl, Brady has 4 rings Peyton can fight for 3rd

>>65415684
It's extremely hard to compare players from different eras. Montana never really had to worry about things like free agency and a salary cap. Brady played under rules that benefited offenses and hasn't been hit like Montana was.

>>65422957

MOntana went out with a concussion before halftime, and the game was against the 18-1 NY giants, considered one of the best teams in the history of the NFL

when has Brady competed against that?

>>65423359
>hahaha Brady owns Peyton haha based goat
>ELI DIDNT FACE BRADY FAGGOT FUCK YOU RGSHHSBN

>>65423342
>Kick aging Montana to the curb
>Team goes on to win a SB anyways

I guess he was pretty replaceable

>>65423330

>poster gets shat on by anon twice in thread
>retard doesn't know what to do besides green text

lmao you got fucking rekt. it's sad because you're stupid and you know it, and no amount of green texting will change that.

>>65423437
And when Brady has been hit he spills spaghetti everywhere

>>65423443
Your trolling is terrible man

>>65423469
>gets his shit logic turned on him so quickly he has to reply with his own green texting
lmao

>>65423441
Brady competed against the best defense of the past 10 years last year and won

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>>65423567

>best defense of the past 10 years
>losing to the cowboys, the chargers, and the rams

>>65421459
4th quarter comebacks indicate you sucked ass for 3 of them already...

>>65423516

You literally replied to me deconstructing your shit points with "fuck my boypussy" and reiterating your dumb Eli argument again. You've added nothing new. ALL you have done is green text your inability to argue, I have done that and shit on your bar-level "brady is cheater and not gud!!" perception.

But go on, continue to attack and not make any valid points lmao.

Brady is the only quarterback that has ever played in a system. Every other quarterback drew up plays in the dirt and blood. Derp.

>>65415684
4 rings and an undefeated super bowl record >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****

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>>65421504
>not a fair question

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>>65422139

>no deion
>no edelman
>No WES FUCKING WELKER

shit post. c'mon son step your fucking game up

>>65423657
>Tony Romo with a God tier O-line and running game
>Philip Rivers with Antonio Gates
>divisional rival

Also nice job completely disregarding the defense that won them the SB and got them there 2 years in a row

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>>65423261
> oh look a smelly foreigner doesn't understand football

>>65423657
And Montana went one and done 3 consecutive years top kek

>>65423460
That was three years after he left and he only won one. He didn't win multiple despite having rice and other great players that came over from the Cowboys.

>>65423711
It doesn't, though. Maybe your defense gave up 45 points

>>65423778
well of course every nfc team had an undefeated record in the SB in the late 80's early 90's...the afc was putrid

>>65423567
>Doesn't know who LT is.

Isn't football supposed to be a black mans sport?

Why is the GOAT discussion between 2 whities?

>>65423818

the 2013/14 defense was 10 times better than the one they brought to the superbowl last year

>rams being a divisional rival somehow negates the fact they were last in the division

lol

>>65424096
>hurr what are divisional rivalries

Please stop fucking talking you disgusting casual

>>65424168

good job constructing an actual argument instead of just repeating yourself

>>65424096
>a team losing a game means their defense wasn't good

I don't understand how you're coming to this conclusion.

Fuck if I know. I started watching the NFL and bandwagon the pats because of Brady. So I pick him I guess. Montana is pretty legendary too, from what I read. I can't really claim he's GOAT because I*ve never seen him play.

>>65424213

if a team gives up more points then they score, and does it multiple times, it would seem to me that defense isnt the best in the game

>>65424285
>teams can't lose low scoring games
>special teams never score points
>bad offenses don't give the defense a short field to defend

>>65424361

>26-28 is a low scoring game
>defense isnt doing its explicit job, which is to stop the other team from scoring points

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Your daily reminder that Brady is no where near the greatness of Montana.

>>65424424
>offense isn't doing its job, which is to score more points than the other offense

>>65422246
11-5 to miss the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the year before
holy fuck you're a retard

>>65424523

maybe the defense shouldnt have allowed so many points, then they wouldnt have had to score that much more

what kind of "best defense in the last 10 years" has to rely so much on the other team scoring JUsT a little less

Brady by a little margin. The XLIX win and the key influence Brady had in it is the topper.

>>65423803

All nobodies everywhere else. Won three owls without Gronk, Welker, Edeljew, Moss.

>>65423838
inability to devise a counter argument because you know he's right...

hmmm I'm not sure....

Brady has the more appearances and the overall records (the stupidest argument in sports is the idea that 4-0>4-2)

Montana has the better QB rating and has never thrown an interception in the Superbowl

I'd also argue that Montana is probably better in the sense that someone like Marino and Elway are better than either, at least in a skills/talent/however you'd define that (but everybody knows what I'm trying to get at when I say those two are better)

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>>65415684