Is he truly the greatest of all time?

yeah of course he is

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>Patriots "fans" actually believe this

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Nope.

He is.

>>65210345
It's hard to compare between eras, but he is one of the best.

He is. How in the world anyone can think otherwise just baffles me unless you're adamant about him cheating. There is nobody else you should want in a big game than Tom Brady.

>4-6
>18-1
>tuck rule
>spygate
>deflategate

His 'legacy' is tarnished

>>65210372
>0-3 against peypey in denver

nope

>>65210467
So you think Peyton isnt anywhere near the top 10 huh

You must have forgot about Joe going one and done 3 straight seasons and the 49ers cheating scandal

non salary cap era was for babbies

>0 legit pass attempts in his entire career
but at least he's not clausen

>>65210469
How did Peyton do in Foxborough? LOL

Didnt he lose a game when he was up 24-0 at half?

>>65210345
>has never thrown a pass for over a 12 yards gain

he's the greatest system babby of all time i can give you that

>>65210527
which system is that? Cause its been over 6 different systems and 4 OCs

>>65210467
>18-1
>leading your team to an undefeated regular season and being one of the scariest offenses of all time is negated by the superbowl loss

You really have to be a butthurt neckbeard to adopt this logic.

>18-1

>>65210563
>cheat so proficiently in 18 games that you never lose any
>the only one that actually matters you get absolutely rekt

>>65210563
>couldn't come though on the biggest stage when his team needed him the most
doesn't sound goat-like to me

>>65210561
Man is that really all it is
Cutty and Smiff go through that many in 6 months

>1-3 against pepey in the AFCCG
>pepey is only good in the regular season

>>65210611
>>65210620
yeah, the giants had the perfect formula for him and they played better. he showed up in all the superbowls he won. when all is said and done, getting further in the playoff race is more impressive than being knocked out earlier on. brady has consistently made his team a real threat and the patriots have always been considered a championship team under him. i dont know about all time, but brady is definitely the greatest qb of this generation.

the fact that brady haters cling on to a great season that only further cements his hof status as their main counter-argument speaks to how great brady has been over the years.

short answer no

long answer best of his generation

>>65210345
depends

Montana had a higher peak, No qb in nfl history had a better four year stretch than Montana from 1987-1990

Brady had a more consistent career with longer sustained success.

>>65210774
I think the main argument is that his team has been caught cheating 278 times, not that he lost a game once

>>65210345
Honestly, we'll never know. You can't really compare different eras.

>>65210850
you have to be a fool if you think any of those cheating implications, legitimate or not, had a significant impact on his success over the years.

How can you be the best when you have a losing record against the worst playoff QB of all time? Considering he isn't a top 10 regular season QB of all time he sure as hell can't be the GOAT.

The early 2000 owls were all about superb defenses and no talent QBs. See ravens, bucs, pats.

>>65210915
>knowing exactly what the defense is about to do every time you line up to snap the ball

>its not an advantage guys i promise
espn plz

>>65210345
Not even close. I'd put Newton and Manning over him, honestly.

>>65210563
>being remembered for the greatest choke in history
>good

The question is, how great would Brees, Manning or Rivers under Belicheat? I bet they get 19-0

>>65211097
Manning definitely.

>>65211097
manning easily

brees is a dome babby and would be fucked in cold outdoor games in new england

>>65210345
hahahahahahaha
broncos beat them
hahahahahahaha

>>65211111
Saggy Balls. Saggy balls. This is Sister Fister Three requesting permission to check those digits. How copy?

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>>65211111

Manning is easily and undeniably better than Brady.

Get mad bandwagoner. We all know Patriot fans don't care about their team and only use it to supplement their lack of personal accomplishments. There is no die-hard Patriot fan anywhere in the world. Just a bunch of losers watching football to bandwagon themselves into thinking they're good at something.

>>65211222
Manning is better regular season, but you cannot deny that he crumbles under pressure. He threw 7 picks on his super bowl run and was carried by his top 5 defense. Even Eli is more clutch than Peyton

Anyone that says otherwise is a butthurt cuckboi

>>65211291
but this year it's been the complete reverse

awful turnover machine in the reg season, respectable game manager in the postseason

>>65211316
Thats the thing, game manager. He is being carried hard by the #1 D in the league right now. He's smart enough to play his job well and not lose games, but hes hardly the factor that's winning them. Broncos with Alex Smith would be even better

>>65211291
>Top 5 defense
>Ranked 23rd in Points Allowed
>12th in Yards Allowed
>22nd in Takeaways

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>>65210459
>2-7 in Mile High in his career
>0-3 in the playoffs
>1-3 against Pey Pey in conference championships
>big game quarterback
>not a Bellicheck/McDaniels system babby

>wins less than 33% in a city where the air is actually more advantageous for QBs

He's the system meme lord at best and mediocre at worst

>>65211382
It almost like denver is a mile high above sea level

How have the Broncos done in Foxborough? Fucking horrific

>>65211410
how has peyton done in foxboro lol has he ever won there?

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>>65210345
Time is not over yet, mayne.

He's in the running for "up to this point," though. His case would be solid without all those damn asterisks, that shit was just stupid -- he and the team were good enough to make their mark without that shit.

It's like Nixon and bugging the Watergate. What the fuck? He was going to win every state but one in the biggest landslide ever, and there was absolutely nothing to gain by that idiot burglary. He was going to ne the GOAT politicians in American history, WITHOUT doing anything stupid.

Why are people so fucking stupid?

>>65210345

Bellichick is the greatest coach of all time. That noodle arm was just along for the ride.

>>65210915
If they didn't gain an advantage by it, why were they doing it? Just for shits?

>>65211474
Beli was 5-13 with the Pats til Brady took over at QB

You guys all talk about that amazing Pats defense that carried Brady, but you dont remember that was a 5-11 defense the year before and started 0-2 going into the 01 season.

That team was shit until Brady took over

>>65211474
Because he was doing so well for the Patriots before Brady joined you memer.

>>65211422
>>65211410
DAMAGE CONTROL, AFC CONF CHAMPIONSHIP RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF

>>65211489
Because he couldn't implement all his cheating into his gameplan with an upstanding person like Bledsoe unwilling to go along with it
And so a bounty was put on him

>>65211335
May be better with Smith but would have been worse with 3picks Brady

>>65211489
i forgot brady played defense and must have been responsible for the team's defensive improvement

thanks

>>65211502
1 AND 3 GET FUCT SHIT SUCKING FAGGOTS, GO HOME TOM SEASON'S FUCKING OVER

>>65210359

Montana went to less owls and his stats are eclipsed by Brady in like every category

Great argument

>>65211522
ENJOY THIS SUPERB OWL FROM THE TV THIS YEAR TOM

>>65211514
Then what the fuck was the difference in that 2 year stretch? As soon as Tom took over they went from 0-2 to the fucking number 2 seed.

Only one thing changed between week 2 and 3, Tom Brady.

>>65211547
1-3 IN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP VS OLD MAN 5HEAD, GET FUCT BADDIE

>>65211533

Brady is the only QB that can defeat meme offenses like Carolina and Seattle

Enjoy watching Peyton get BLACKED 2.0

>>65211547
Opponents might not have been identical.

>>65211547
>trying to use this argument when that Cassel season exists
come on now

>>65211451

he did nothing wrong

>>65211559
DAMAGE CONTROL
ENJOY WATCHING FROM THE TV THIS YEAR CRYBABY BRADY
GET FUCT COCKSUCKING FAGGOT
PATS FANS THIS SALTY
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS

>>65211563
You think losing 5 more games than the previous season is a success?

Are you that delusional?

>>65211559
If he'd defeated Paypay, we might find out if he could beat Carolina. He won't be there to try, though.

(Carolina swept Seattle by the way, so we know they can best the Shawks.)

>>65211572
Pretty sure the people you're "responding" to aren't Tom Brady

>>65211576
Cassel wouldn't have collapsed in the playoffs like Brady did

>>65211588
Could be, he's not busy right now.

>>65211588
pretty sure you're a faggot pats cocksucker
cheatriots go home
season's over
better luck next year shitposting faggot

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Dan Marino is the GOAT

>>65211605
Gotta love the typical patriot hater

>>65211630
gotta love the faggot shitposting cheatriots fan
go suck a BBC you fucking east coast asshole
1-3 AFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP DAMAGE CONTROL MODE ENGAGED
YOU LITERALLY LET A FUCKING GRANDPA PUSH YOUR SHIT IN

2 PT CONVERSION GAME ON THE LINE...
THROWS A FUCKING PICK

GET FUCT FAGGOT, ENJOY WATCHING THE GAME FROM HOME

>>65211668
wow what a true to life faggot.

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>>65211711
YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS!!!

>>65211668

>caps lock

Gotta be 18 and over to post here, shit stain

>>65211711
Handle the bants, mayne.

>>65211738
GOTTA BEAT NO. 18 TO GET TO THE OWL
>>65211722

>>65210359
This is literally Brady's only competition at this point

>>65211738
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

>winning record against EVERY other team but 1
>people say he's bad because of the 1
>win 18 straight games
>bad because of the one

Yea this board is shit

>>65211784
welcome to speee

He's pretty fucking good, im not a pats fan but he makes stupid mistakes very rarely and it's uncommon when most other teams have entire games turn against them because they are fucking up over and over. yeah you can nit pick and say he threw an interception here or there but it's nothing compared to a lot of other teams.

That said, Gronk helps him a ton, even in games where he's not doing great he tends to get at least 1 or 2 big plays.

vs. the Bronco's, they lost and he spent chunks of it getting IV's, oxygen and massaged - he still managed 8 catches for 144 yards and a touchdown

>>65211799
Its because its a timing based offense

>2000:
Throws 3 passes all season as he rides the bench.

>2001:
Throws only 1 TD the entire playoffs as spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to a Super Bowl victory.

>2002:
Throws for less yards than Kerry Collins in regular season as Patriots finish behind Dolphins and Jets in the AFC East to miss the playoffs.

>2003:
Throws for fewer TDs than Aaron Brooks in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2004:
Throws for fewer TDs than Jake Delhomme in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2005:
Throw 2 INTs and gets outplayed by Jake Plummer as Patriots lose to Broncos in divisional round.

>2006:
Throws 3 INTs with a 57.6 QB rating while barely getting by Chargers, implodes against the Colts in AFC Championship loss.

>2007:
Throws only 1 TD and gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the biggest choke in professional sports history, blowing immortality and a perfect season. "MVP" year.

>2008:
Throws 11 passes before missing the entire rest of the year because he can't withstand a basic hit. Patriots still manage to win 11 games without him.

>2009:
Throws 3 INTs at home with a 49.1 QB Rating in wild card round loss to the Ravens.

>2010:
Throws INT after not throwing one since Week 5 and gets outplayed by Mark Sanchez in divisional round loss at home to Jets. "MVP" year.

>2011:
Throws 2 INTs with a 57.5 QB Rating while barely getting by the Ravens, gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the Super Bowl... again.

>2012:
Throws 2 INTs with a 62.3 QB Rating in AFC Championship loss to Ravens.

>2013:
Throws only 1 TD in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.

>2014:
Throws for less yards than Philip Rivers in the regular season; deflategate, Seattle's awful play calling on the 1 carry him to another Super Bowl victory.

>2015:
Throws 2 INTs with a 56.4 QB rating in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.

>>65211873
2001 had one of the greatest drives in Super Bowl history and beat the Rams on a turf field

2002 He lead the league in TD

2003 Vinny missed 2 FGs in the Super Bowl and the defense let up 29 points, they choked and Brady threw a 17 yard pass with no timeouts to the sideline to get in FG position.

2004 Brady had a damn good year and that might be the best pats team ever


Id keep going but we all know youre wrong hehe

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>>65211873
>Seattle's awful play calling on the 1 carry him to another Super Bowl victory.
You mean the game where he threw for 328 yards and four TDs against the best defense in the NFL, overcoming the largest fourth quarter deficit in Super Bowl history?

Yea, definitely "carried" by Seattle's playcalling

>>65211915
this

Brady is the only QB to ever throw 4 TDs against LOB and it was in the fucking Super Bowl

God damn

>>65211873
>Seattle's awful play calling on the 1 carry him
By that logic Josh/Bill's awful playcalling carried Denver, cause they left 6 points on the field

>>65211873
>Trying this hard

So who do you think the GOAT is? I'm sure I could find many more mistakes they made each season compared to Brady.

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>>65211915
>the same team that BTFO'd the Peyton Manning led "Greatest Offense in History"

QBs are are greater than Brady:

Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Joe Montana
Steve Young

So Brady is in the top-5 all time.

>>65212115
Steve Young was awful

>>65210345
no hes using the greatest system of all time

>>65212126
>GOAT
>awful
oh right that is how it works around here

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>>65212126

>>65211944
>implying they weren't on literal life support and lost a starter who literally owned Brady before old captain check down checked it down like old times to literally luck out on the last play of the game.

Get. Out. Retard.

>>65212167
waaaaaaaaaaah

>>65210836
Most bestest of the answers hurr
But seriously. This.

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>>65210345
Tim bardy
2000:
Throws 3 passes all season as he rides the bench.
>2001:
Throws only 1 TD the entire playoffs as spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to a Super Bowl victory.
>2002:
Throws for less yards than Kerry Collins in regular season as Patriots finish behind Dolphins and Jets in the AFC East to miss the playoffs.
>2003:
Throws for fewer TDs than Aaron Brooks in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.
>2004:
Throws for fewer TDs than Jake Delhomme in regular season; spying, defense and Adam Vinatieri carry him to another Super Bowl victory.
>2005:
Throw 2 INTs and gets outplayed by Jake Plummer as Patriots lose to Broncos in divisional round.
>2006:
Throws 3 INTs with a 57.6 QB rating while barely getting by Chargers, implodes against the Colts in AFC Championship loss.
>2007:
Throws only 1 TD and gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the biggest choke in professional sports history, blowing immortality and a perfect season. "MVP" year.
>2008:
Throws 11 passes before missing the entire rest of the year because he can't withstand a basic hit. Patriots still manage to win 11 games without him.
>2009:
Throws 3 INTs at home with a 49.1 QB Rating in wild card round loss to the Ravens.
>2010:
Throws INT after not throwing one since Week 5 and gets outplayed by Mark Sanchez in divisional round loss at home to Jets. "MVP" year.
>2011:
Throws 2 INTs with a 57.5 QB Rating while barely getting by the Ravens, gets outplayed by Eli Manning in the Super Bowl... again.
>2012:
Throws 2 INTs with a 62.3 QB Rating in AFC Championship loss to Ravens.
>2013:
Throws only 1 TD in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.
>2014:
Throws for less yards than Philip Rivers in the regular season; deflategate, Seattle's awful play calling on the 1 carry him to another Super Bowl victory.
>2015:
Throws 2 INTs with a 56.4 QB rating in AFC Championship Game loss to Broncos.

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>>65211985
That was actually not the same team at all from what Peyton faced. Entire secondary destroyed itself (literally Kam destroyed Sherman's arm) in the GB game and then other starters starting going down in the Bowl game. It was just a recipe for disaster.