Players that fans say will go to the hall of fame but won't ever go to the hall of fame.
Brady will never get in. He will be like Barry Bonds. Was probably a great quarterback but we will never know with all of the cheating scandals.
Tom Brady will get into the HOF. There's a big difference in terms of personality. Some people may think he's tainted because of allegations of cheating but he's an overall likable guy. Barry Bonds was hated by a lot of sports writers for his involvement with the steroid scandal, and breaking Hank Aaron's "sacred" record.
I agree he's no where near a GOAT. but multiple owl wins usually at least gives you a chance. Especially when they involve clutch game winning drives people remember. Worse players are probably in the hof
What shit team do you follow and how did Brady embarrass them?
His own teammates won't high five him except elilman, and that's only because he would be worthless on any other team. Fucker yells at everybody as if they were playing for him instead of with him. He's a self absorbed douche
Yep. So long as breesy's arm holds up, and the management doesnt give up on him. And the fans.
But i swear the fans are toxic as fuck, there were so many people calling him out as the reason why we are so bad this year. And he had a fucking career year with a game short on the rest of the starting QBs.
Big Ben is easily a HoFer.
OP is clearly a bungkeks fan.
I don't get it. Nor do I get why people wanted Sean Payton to go. He's never controlled the defense, that's why he hired Rob Ryan in the first place. I think the defense was starting to improve towards the end so if they have a good draft we could make the playoffs next year.
How many seasons do you think he has left? He's 37.
Drew is 11308 away from breaking Peyton's record.
He'd have to eclipse the NFL single season record for passing yards, twice.
And the TD record is below his average of 36.75 since 2008, which is his highest point of his career that he would need (37) to break it in 3 years.
Brees is a HOFer, but all time records are probably way too much for him.
Yeah im cautiosly optimistic. We do need a sub for Colston. Brandon Coleman is a good dude, he is even taller than Colston.
Draft well, get the defense a bit more settled. (Make it at least top 20, lol, not dead fucking last, leave that shit to the Gints) And we are a playoff contender.
>never considered an MVP or OPOY candidate
>never even named either first or second team all pro
He's never getting in
Urlacher won't get in 1st ballot because of Ray Lewis. Jason Taylor is getting in the next year, after that Urlacher may get in but if he doesn't it's going to be a Marvin Harrison situation where he waits 10 years before being given his due.
well, let's say he finishes with 70,000 yards & 490 TDs
that's still all-time numbers right there. Plus he has a ring, one that he personally earned (as opposed to Russell Wilson's ring)
if you ask dave dameshek he's top 3 qb of all times and should be inducted in the hall of fame right now he's so good.
that kike pleb sure knows football
> 1 defensive score
Seattle had a pick 6, 2 ints, 2 fumble recoveries, and a kick 6. You are fucking kidding if you are even comparing the Saints defense to the Seahawks those 2 years.
I know that but that play was a huge swing in momentum for that game. Obviously Drew Brees and his offense had a much bigger impact on the game than Wilson did but if that play doesn't happen, then who knows if the Saints continue to win that shoot out.
Momentum shift or not you literally can't compare the two.
The Seahawks Defense alone scored more points than the entire Broncos team. Hell the Special Teams scored more than the entire Broncos did that game. Russell Wilson could have been a complete non factor. Without Brees though the Saints would be lost.
James Harrison really deserves it, but he won't get in.
yeah and let's just forget about the videotaping, the mysterious communication equipment 'issues' road teams face in Foxboro and the fact that numerous teams feel the need to take extra security precautions when playing there...
LOL james harrison is not hall of fame caliber
People on /sp/ constantly amaze me thinking that just cause a guy had a really good career he is HOF worthy
Harrison was good but nowhere near the career resume needed to be a HOF lock
Polamalu had a chance until injuries fucked up his career
He was a joke the last 3 or 4 years and was a liability in coverage
Ed Reed, the best FS of his generation, will get in. Harrison has 0% chance. Polamalu will be mentioned but never voted in.
This poor bastard should at least get the chance to play a Super Bowl, if not win it.
Are you really this much of an idiot?
"There were several headset communications issues around the stadiums as normal"
You realize that an NFL stadium has like 80,000 people all on their cell phones, raping the internet there. Not to mention all the bluetooth devices, cameras, who the fuck knows what else, broadcast equipment. The fucking SB a few years ago had a huge power outage. There is always technology issues in these types of settings. Stop being a faggot conspiracy theorist
The pats don't cheat you faggot nigger they are in the AFCCG for the 9th fucking time in 15 years just face it, Brady and Belichek are the GOAT combo of 2000-2020
That was an amazing play, to be sure, but one play doesn't a hall of fame make. Ever heard of Larry Brown?
He was the SB MVP in like 95 when Steelers played the Cowboys. He had 2 easy as fuck pick 6's throw right to him. He was MVP. Then he goes and signs a huge FA contract with Oakland, and became a bust.
Big performances on the biggest stages only CEMENT your legacy if you're on the fence about HOF, they don't automatically make you HOF worthy.
Eli Manning has 2 rings but won't get in because the rest of his career is a turnover prone inonsistent mess. If ELI is great during regular season then eleveates his play in the SB then he'd have a chance. But you don't only look at SB plays when evaluating HOF
Niggers on /sp/ do not fucking realize how many good players aren't in the HoF cause NFL actually does it right and only allows a small pool getting in
not like BS MLB were its stupid as fuck
Except my original post was about how the defense helped him seal that win. That's it. I never said that Drew Brees performance on that stage was comparable to Wilson's. I merely posted that picture to show that Brees had help from his offense to win the Super Bowl. If that interception and pick six don't happen, who knows it the Saints win that Super Bowl.
youre just listening to the media hype.
everyone cheats. the patriots just do it better, and are punished harder for it. they literally just lost a first round draft pick for breaking the rules "more probable than not".
The raiders used to go by the mantra "cheating is encouraged"
but no. only the pats cheat and every superbowl they have is tainted with ****
The NFL fined Sean Payton a year's salary and banned him for a season because of "Bountygate". Everyone knows that was bullshit, players on defense usually play dirty and fuck each other up, it's nothing new and every team does it. NFL just trying to act hard to appease the jew owners
Every single thing the NFL does it to make more money for the jew owners. The kike federation is pissed the patriots have been able to beat the system consistently for almost 2 decades. They want parity. They are jealous of the patriots.
As for "spygate", lets just state facts:
1. Every team is allowed to, and does, film the other teams' defensive signals
2. This is allowed and accepted and a common practice of the game
3. Belichic thought he found a loophole and placed his camera men in a different position than was allowed
4. League sends out a memo saying don't do that
5. Fine the patriots and make an example out of them, pats go on rampage in 2007 and almost win the owl
1. Guy who said patriots filmed Rams walkthru was lying and this is comfirmed as fake
2. Everyone bitched about the pats cheating in 2007
>patriots immidiately go undefeated in the regular season and are a fluke catch away from best season ever
3. Faggot colts and nigger ravens complain about Patriots in 2015 playoffs
>Brady has better stats after balls got switched, deflation of balls explained by science
4. People say pats deflated balls
>pats have another amazing regular season, dont fumble often, dont turn ball over, brady has great stats again
So we have established that it's literally just butthurt owners, belichiek having hubris enough to defy the league, etc
they dont fucking cheat. if you read anything other than ESPN (joke of a company) you would know this to be true
just to compare.
the saints were paying players to put hits on other players. Disgusting bullshit much worse than cheating, especially deflating balls.
For it they lost their head coach for a year, GM for 8 games, and asst. coach for 6 games. They also lost two 2nd round picks, and 500,000.
Now the Patriots deflate balls. allegedly. for it they were charged their goat qb for 4 games, $1,000,000 and a FIRST round pick. again, for deflating balls. thank god brady took that piece of shit goodell to court
im not even a pats fan. im just not a fool
5 pro bowls doesn't mean a fucking thing
it's all about being an all-pro, and consistent at that.
you have to be UNDOUBTABLY one of the best 1 or 2 players of your era, at the position, to get in.
those teams had great players in many positions, its not like james harrison was far and away the best player leading the team. he wasnt even the best LB in his division while he player (T Suggs is dirty but better)
please learn some historical perspective
Nice response faggot. Literally the entire league has headset issues cause of unreliable technology. Have you tried to use bluetooth on a new car these days? Or fix a wifi system for thousands of users? Technology is never 100% flawless and shit happens in huge ass stadiums
its been confirmed steelers had problems in their own stadium too. but i guess you can ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative
>players with bad stats wont get in just because of rings
Ladies and gentlemen I give you Terry Bradshaw. Over his illustrious career he managed to throw 2 more tds than interceptions, had a year in which he threw 6 td to 24 int and had a completion percentage of 38% in just 8 games, and only threw for more than 3,000 yards two seasons out of 14.
Hes in the hall of fame.
It was a totally different era. defenses could mug and destroy opposing WR. there was no illegal hit to the head. there are no roughing the QB. there was no 5 yard contact zone.
Bradshaw didn't get in because he lucked his way onto a good team, he was actually a very good player for the steelers
you can't argue with FOUR fucking rings dude. it's not like a fluke ring like trent dilfer had in 2000. it's a team sport. he was playing on a great team. Go watch film from him vs the raiders. He takes hits, stands in there, scrambles in the pocket, and makes great deep throws
you can't just look at the stats of that era dude
you realize in the modern NFL, shitty QB like matt fucking stafford and blake bortles can throw for 4,500-5,000 yards and 35 touchdowns easily, right? thats why you cant look at stats alone, you gotta look at relative to the other players in the league
at that time nobody was posting huge offensive numbers as QB for prolonged periods of time
Bradshaw is certainly not a top 5 QB of all time (Brady, Montana, Young, PeyPey, Starr, Unitas) are all better players. But hall of fame worthy? Yes.
please learn wtf you're talking about before hurp derping about the fucking stats
go back to fantasy football nigger
i think markets matter a lot, too. He played for the Steelers, a premium organization with lots of fans, so of course he gets into the Hall of Fame. Same thing with Broadway Joe, who was nothing special in terms of stats.
If Larry Fitzgerald played in New York he'd already be on the ballot. Just look at how much attention they give OBJ
confirmed for getting their sports news from non-espn sources. its amazing what not being a biased media babby can teach you about the world of sports
Look at someone like Jerome Bettis. If you look at his page on the HOF website it lists his 6 Pro Bowls, even though he only made All Pro twice in his career. He wasn't the best RB or even close to that during his career. You don't have to necessarily be the best to get into the HOF. You just have to have enough to impress sportswriters who will vote you in. Maybe you should learn how players actually get selected into the HOF.
Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
Only players remotely as good: Ladanian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk. They got in too. Argument invalid
RB also have a short AF shelf life due to the hits they take. Bettis had some really great seasons. He had a great career. He was definitely top 2 or 3 at his position when he played, and hes like 10th or something on all time rushing list
he's got a worthy resume for sure.
Yeah a 6 td, 24 int, 38% comp season is because of the rules LOL.
Yeah the rules benefit players more now but the defenses are way more athletic. Yeah youre right shitty qbs throw for more yards now maybe its because theyre better. If Bradshaw played nowadays he wouldnt even make a roster. That fact that a player like Matt Schaub can throw for 4000 yards and Bradshaw cant is enbarassing.
But that wasnt my argument. Some of you guys were saying players like Eli and Ben wont make it because even though they have the rings they dont have the stats. My argument was that Bradshaw got in because of rings even with embarassingly bad stats. Even for the time his stats were really shitty. Bradshaw was a shitty qb on an all time great team.
Nobody said Eli won't get in. He shouldn't but he will based on 2 rings and the New York market.
Bradshaw shouldn't be in the Hall based on his QB play either, maybe his after playing career with his work in broadcasting but definately not his playing career.
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
hahahaha what the fuck are you on he averaged more than 4 yards a carry twice in his entire fucking career. Bettis is a perfect example of how you can get in the HoF no matter how average you actually were as long as the media loves you and you play for a big time team.
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
i thought this whole time he was a 12 year old trying to sound like some grizzled NFL expert and that sealed it. I guarantee he wasn't even alive for the majority of Bettis's career
>165/141 Through career
>Season average of 70.1 TD:Int %
Jesus fucking christ.
He was first ballot, too. he was the original o-line/wr/hb babby.
what a fucking shitter.
>Bettis was easily a top 1 or 2 RB during his time
Did you even watch Bettis play at all? Bettis was never top 3 in the league. Did you even watch football before 2000. He never lead the league in rushing and no one ever said Bettis is a top RB. He was a good RB early on but he was never better than guys like Smith, Davis, Martin, Sanders, etc in the 90s, and he was no where near as good as someone like Faulk or LT. He mainly got in because he stayed with the Steelers for one more season, and retired when after they won the Super Bowl. You might want to get some historical perspective dumbass.
You seem confused about the difference between fame and infamy. The things those two are well known for are exactly why they would never make the HoF even if they were the undisputed GOATs at their positions.
It's stupid, because if the sportswriter has a grudge against the player they'll vote against him. For example, someone like Marshawn Lynch (just as an example) would get fucked over in the process because of the "I'm just here so I don't get fined" thing.
There's really no perfect way to do it, though. It would be the same thing, but probably worse, with players and coaches and the general public would just be a complete joke. Members of the sports media generally have above average knowledge of the game and its players (not always) and are more likely to be objective than other potential groups (once again not always)
who else would do it? if you let former players do it they'll just vote in their teammates because they were well liked and you'd get people like Jared Allen being first ballot HoF
>I'm autistic and can't tell the difference between being famous for good and bad things
>Troy Aikman is in the HOF
>people actually think Roethlisberger and Brees won't get in
the WRs that are currently playing that people love are going to have a much harder time getting in than the QBs will.
>Brady, Rodgers, Manning
See above, if Witten isn't getting in, Gates isn't
No modern era Brown's players will get in unless they had lucrative and successful careers before or after playing for the Browns
Eh, it's close but I'll go for it.
wow you're actually so retarded that you thought that i didn't understand the difference between what they're famous for. thats not the point dipshit its either a hall of fame or a hall of the best players. you can't have both and you can't pick and choose what type of fame gets you in if its the former. which is why its not actually a hall of fame and you can take that stupid line that gets repeated whenever the voters fuck up by letting shitty players in and go back to the espn comments section where you belong
your opinion is retarded because its retarded. if you think Megatron is a "maybe" Revis is anything other than a first ballot unanimous HoF and Witten and Gates aren't getting in and a at worst top 3 LT for the past 10 years ins't getting in because of the team he plays for you're objectively a retard and your opinion is worthless
Possible, but too early to tell:
Dark horse candidates
>on a perennial underachieving shithole
He plays for the fucking Browns, you retard. If you haven't figured out the teams and the rings matter, not the player, you're retarded.
>At a position that has a huge line waiting for players to get in who shouldn't be waiting
You should also kill yourself for lacking critical thinking skills and reading comprehension for the rest of the thread.
>Implying the HoF doesn't have choke-artists in it
Jesus Christ you're fucking dumb. There are a ton of players in the HoF who played for shitty ass teams their entire career. Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself like this.
You're both cancer. Just stop posting, you clearly know nothing about the fucking sport if you think Joe Thomas is a lock for the HOF. You really don't and it's fucking ridiculous to read. Stop posting to me, I can't read this shit anymore.
Mlb votes about in 4 people every year on average since opening in 1936.
The nfl (which you believe to be more exclusive) votes in an average of 6 people every year. In about 10 years, the pro football HOF will have more than the baseball HOF, despite opening almost 30 years later.
10/10 bait made me check your bs for you
your argument agaist Joe Thomas being a HoF is that he doesnt play in primetime games and since thats all you watch you assume he is irrelevant.
You are a literal retard and anyone who cares about football more than watching SNF and playing madden is laughing at you
How the fuck is Revis debatable? He was the best CB since Deion Sanders and played in NY for the majority of his career what the fuck are you people on to think he's a debatable HoFer
He broke some egregious rules, he crossed a moral and ethical line. There's only a few people in any sport who disgrace themselves like that. There's no grudge, it's a entire voting bloc and millions of other people who don't think people like that should be in a Hall of Fame.
No, it's that he's never won a fucking game that matters. He will never do anything of note because he plays for a shit team. There are fantastic lynch pin offensive linemen that will go completely unheralded their entire careers and not make it into the HOF, and played on better teams than the Browns. Orlando Pace is the first one that comes to mind, and he has a fucking ring.
Stop acting like I have some disdain for Thomas, he's a great player, we're talking the HoF here, and it has nothing to do with stats. It has to do with fame, rings and the team name, that's it.
>Eddie fucking Lacey
>Chandler fucking Jones
>on a hall of fame path
>Sherman and Dez lock HoFers
holy shit did you just boot up madden sort by rating and list the first 20 that came up? this is the most embarrassing post on /sp/
I agree except witten needs to be added to dark horse and watt needs to be moved to dh.
>Both of them are big country crackas that will never sniff a superbowl and probably not a HOF due to their shitty teams.
Edelman needs to be removed entirely.
>I'm a tech grad, so it pains me, but remove Amendola.
I agree. But betting on the game like that and being a scumbag about it for decades is a lot different than marshawn lynch giving writers something interesting to write about during the super bowl media week for once. You know the media loved that shit.
Let's be honest, here. Elway and the teams he dragged to the owl the first 3 times had no business being there. Nobody in the afc at that time held a candle to the nfc teams. The real superb owl was the nfccg, with a blooper reel against the afc team.
Elway somehow managed to drag a bunch of total scrubs to the owl to get completely outclassed by superior teams. It wasn't until they actually had some decent players around Elway (Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, and a damn snazzy o-line) that he was able to bring a chip back to Denver.
If Elway and Montana changed places during the nfc domination Era.... Nothing much changes for the niners, they still win a ton and win lots of titles. But, in Denver, Montana is selling life insurance after his injury plagued 3 year career is over.
I'll literally an hero if Richard "people only know my name because I chimped-out on a live interview, threw around my Stanford-lite education, had two good seasons, never learned to play both sides of the field, and got burned and exposed unless the zone safety also played well" Sherman gets in
no fucking shit a LT didn't single handedly make the Browns an Owl contender. Pace has been eligiable for 1 whole year and will no doubt make it and he wasn't even as good as Thomas
Please please please go back to the espn comment section or your general containment thread with all the other 14 year olds and "fans" with less knowledge than your average woman sports fan
this generation will be looked at as the gonden age of quarterbacking
ben, brady, brees, peyton and rodgers will all get in. maybe eli too. just because there are so many great ones playing right now just makes you take them for granted. each one holds a ton of team records and some nfl ones too
It's cause he's black. Not saying that's a bad thing, he broke major social boundaries by becoming one of the first black QBs and really helped shape the way the game is played now.
He also had a shitload of all-time records when he retired (all of which are broken)
As a Packer fan, Lacy and Nelson are absolutely not going to get into the HoF, only a retard would believe they have a chance.
Edelman isn't getting in, he is literally Wes Welker 2.0 and only works with the Patriots system. He is entirely replaceable by the next 5'7'' fast white WR. OBJ, Cam and Wilson are far far far too early to tell, come back in another 7 years before even considering them, they shouldn't even be talked about this early.
Wes Welker and Danny Amendola won't get in for the same reason Edelman won't, Patriots system WRs that are entirely replaceable.
Gronk and Watt will most likely get in barring a complete system collapse with their team. Its not a lock yet, but they are on the right path and only need a couple more seasons to lock it.
Lynch and Calvin Johnson are extremely iffy. Megatron has a huge log jam of WRs to compete with to get in, and he hasn't exactly bolstered his resume, admittedly at no fault of his own.
Sherman is also far from a lock.
Isn't Eli in the top 10 all time in td's now? If not he will be before he retires, add in the two rings and he will definitely make it. For comparison what do Ben's career stats look like thus far?
Also Steve Smith Sr should be a first ballot Hall of Famer but his lack of td's, bad attitude, playing for a small market most his career and no ring are going to make his candidacy and huge question. He always played great in the playoffs which will definitely help him out.
Steve Smith has no place being mentioned with the HoF. Why does everyone here think being a good player for 8-9 years means you're a HoFer? Steve Smith was never even a top 5 player at his position
not him but
Calvin has a very shaky resume simply from being stuck with Stafford as his QB. His lack of a post season resume really hurts, and he wasn't as visually outstanding as Barry Sanders. Coupled with the long line of WRs already waiting to get in and its a tough sell. I really hope he does, but its a big maybe.
Witten is absolutely getting in, Gates I hope will, but he was a 1 trick show. Admittedly his trick was TDs which was pretty damn great, but his blocking wasn't nearly as dominant as Witten, and he will always be overshadowed by Gonzalez. (I still think Gates gets in though, just not 1st ballot)
Right. Even as a Dallas fan, Dez has a lot to go before being considered. Replace him with Witten, get Peterson on way over Lynch. Sherman shouldn't even be in this conversation.
>Why does everyone here think being a good player for 8-9 years means you're a HoFer?
that's why I don't think these guys >>65071034 are getting in UNLESS they step it up a level. Wilfork is pretty much done, unfortunately, and so is Marshawn but the others still have time to make a mark.
Fucking Art Monk made the goddamn HoF and he was a shittier Wes Welker his entire career, Calvin was the best WR in the NFL for 5 years and never outside the top 5 he's making the hall. This whole thing with receivers is overblown anyway and is just a result of the league going to a mainly passing based offense. Moss and Owens are the only WR's who are surefire locks theres no huge list of greats behind them. This WR logjam bullshit all started with Cris Carter bitching and thats only because he had off the field stuff so they "punished" him.
He won a triple crown, is 11th on the all time receiving yardage list, has some stellar post season performances and did all this despite playing with shit qbs on run first teams for basically his entire career. If he comes back for one more year he will easily end up in the top 10 in yards. If you factor in his size and how he transformed himself from a return man to one of the leagues best receivers he will have a good case for the hall. The major knock on him is lack of td's (only 84 for his career) and the fact he ended two teammates careers by breaking their faces with his fist.
I feel like the inflated stats era is about to come to an end with Peyton, Brady, Eli, Ben and Brees probably retireing within the next 5 years. I wonder what state that leaves the NFL in. Maybe some sort of meme running qb league with Wilson, Kaep, RGIII and Cam being the MVPs.
The next tight end from the modern era getting in for the next twenty-thirty years is Tony G. Thats it.
Revis "maybe" gets in for the NY Market, that's it. His career stats are shit.
Calvin "maybe" gets in for being funneled the ball in an offense where they had literally no one else.
Three out of those four don't have rings.
Three out of those four will retire without rings.
Art Monk was a shitty slot receiver who played for 100 years on some great teams and got a bunch of high counting stats because of it. He was never a top 5 or usually even 10 WR hes probably one of the worst players in the hall
>The next tight end from the modern era getting in for the next twenty-thirty years is Tony G. Thats it.
>Revis "maybe" gets in for the NY Market, that's it. His career stats are shit.
its a shame you've proven to be such a retard that i don't think this is trolling
And you've proven you can't respond with anything but memes.
Please kill yourself and stop posting anon.
Revis is shit. He hasn't been the same since he went down. And he'd only played for five years up to that point.
A good five year run does not an HOFer make.
to the guy who doesnt believe Joe Thomas will be in the HOF please give a GOOD reason why
the guy has been to the Pro Bowl every year he has been in the league. 1st team all pro 6 times and 2nd team 2.
Elway was known for being incredibly clutch in the 4th quarter. He's hardly a choke artist. He went 2-3 in the owl, but that was more a reflection of Broncos/AFC than his own ability. Those first three Broncos teams he took to the owl had absolutely no business being there. The Broncos were a subpar team with subpar coaching. I honestly believe if Elway had been on the 49ers he would be widely considered the GOAT.
Revis had 1 "bad" year in tampa where his idiot coach made the best man to man cover in football play a zone half the time and during which he was still recovering from a blown ACL. He was the best Corner since Deion in his prime, is still a top 3 corner, won a ring as the best defensive player on a team and has shitty stats because no one threw at him for the first 7 years of his career. Revis is probably top 3 with Brady and Manning as far as HoF locks go that are still playing. Once again you have proven that you are a gigantic retard who seems obsessed with trying to appear intelligent regarding things you know nothing about. I don't know why you seem to enjoy looking so stupid but at least you're doing it on an anonymous imageboard.
>Sanders and Revis in the same category
Holy shit, you really are from reddit.
Looks like you're the one that needs to go back to ESPN.
I'm sure you think in two years Sherman will be HOF ready too, right?
Nobody even knew who Welker was until he started playing for the Pats in Belichick's system. He also benefited from all the rule changes that the NFL implemented in order to increase offensive production. Art Monk wasn't flashy but like Largent he caught passes when you needed him too. Welker wouldn't have lasted that long under the old NFL rules.
Cam is clearly the best QB of all the "young" qbs in the league. Wilson is second and Luck/Bortles/Dalton are the next tier down. Cam's main issue is going to be health. If his body doesn't break down he is going to end up with something like 100 rushing tds by the end of his career, not to mention all the passing touchdowns and yards he will have. Even still if he doesn't win at least one ring he won't make the Hall. At this point Cam is basically black Peyton Manning only he uses legs and his arm where Manning just had his arm. Their total stats for the first 5 years of their careers are basically identical but Cam has fewer turnovers.
Sherman is a shitty meme corner who gets burnt anytime he actually has to play someone 1on1 he's a product of the seattle defensive scheme and earl thomas
he does have better stats than revis though so i don't know why you don't like him since those apparently matter for corners
Current players who will more likely than not end up in the hall:
There's definitely plenty of other guys who could do it, either depending on the rest of their career or how the cards fall, but these are the only ones I would bet on. Watt and Gronk could obviously still fuck it up.
>you share a board with people this stupid
I didn't say Tillman was better I said his stats are better, seriously look them up. The dude has forced 82 turnovers in his career and has like 10 defensive touchdowns. It is absolutely insane considering how average his coverage skills are. Revis is the better coverage guy but he only has 28 picks which isn't even close to top 20 all time. If he makes the hall it will be solely off the new york media hype of Revis island and nothing to do with stats or his actual play.
Watt would literally have to beat a woman and kill somebody to fuck it up. He's already a 3x DPOY, the only player in NFL history with two 20+ sack seasons, 4x All-Pro, and has a career trajectory that's going to put him alongside Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White as the most dominant defensive player ever.
>beat his kid
>fumbled away every big game he's ever played in
Really doesn't deserve it 2bh.
Disagree. He would have crossed a line had he bet against his team. His bets were for his team. You can't singlehandedly fix a win, but you can fix a loss. Now if his bets involved the spread rather than straight up w/l we're entering a gray area.
This is why Canadians shouldn't be listened to on AF /sp/ threads....
If he can make it through the long haul Gronk's career stats will wind up better than Gonzales's. That said there's an excellent chance of injury ending his career before that can happen.
>watching Top 10 Cowboys
>Fakeman comes up on list
>"He was so accurate. I could close my eyes and it'd be there 9/10 times"
>throw INTs at a 0.9 ratio
He was elite alright. Elite backup tier
>No one is going to be telling their kids or grandkids about watching a QB consistently throw first downs and touchdowns while 800 pounds worth of defensive lineman is hanging from various limbs and such
Say what you want, but there's no denying the fact that Big Ben has continually been among the best QBs in passer rating after contact for his entire career. He has the ability to turn what would be a sack for any other QB into a huge gain and he manages it in nearly every game he plays..
>It's the HOF not the hall of pretty good.
>he believes this
I went to look up Ben's stats and its funny how he goes up, down, up, down every year except 2009-10. Dunno whether that coincides with new OCs every 2 years, but I guess we can expect him to make another pro bowl next season.
>It's the HOF not the hall of pretty good.
Do you faggots even think of this phrase when you say it? Christ. You say that like it's called the half of greatness. It's not. It's the hall of fame. If you're saying "hall of pretty good" would let pretty good players in, then the hall of fame would let in famous players. Tim Tebow is a famous player. So unless you're saying Tim Tebow is a hall of famer, stop fucking using that tired ass phrase
I don't think there's a single QB with two owl wins that's not in the hall to be honest.
>Ben isn't going to the hall of fame.
You realize in the last 10 years Brady, Peyton and Ben share 3 AFC championships right?
If you consider Brady or Peyton elite you have to at least respect Ben or you can take your bias ass somewhere I don't have to read your retarded ramblings.
At the end of his career Andersen held the following NFL records (As of 2009):
Most games played (career) – 382
Most consecutive games played by a placekicker – 248
Most field goals attempted (career) – 709
Most field goals (career) – 565
Most points (career) – 2,544
Most seasons, 75 or more points (career) – 24
Most consecutive seasons, 75 or more points (career) – 23
Most seasons, 90 or more points (career) – 22
Most seasons, 98 or more points (career) – 18
Most game winning field goals (career) – 103
Games with 1+ field goals (career) – 299
Games with 2+ field goals (career) – 178
Oldest player to score 14 points in a game – 47 years, 133 days (for Atlanta Falcons vs. Seattle Seahawks, December 30, 2007)
Oldest player to kick 4 field goals in a game – 47 years, 42 days (for Atlanta Falcons vs. Houston Texans, September 30, 2007)
Oldest player to kick 5 field goals in a game – 46 years, 43 days
Most field goals attempted of 50 or more yards (total) – 84
Most field goals (50 or more yards) in a game – 3 (vs. New Orleans, December 10, 1995) (tied with Neil Rackers, Connor Barth, Kris Brown, Sebastian Janikowski, and Josh Scobee)
Most consecutive games scoring (career) – 360
Most games scoring (career) – 379
Most consecutive seasons scoring (career) – 23 – tied with Gary Anderson
Most consecutive calendar years scoring (career) – 26
Team Scoring Records:
New Orleans Saints- 1,318 points
Atlanta Falcons – 806 points
(Only player to hold career statistical franchise record for two NFL teams)
New Orleans Saints – FGs made/attempted: 302/389
Atlanta Falcons – FGs made/attempted: 184/224
New Orleans Saints – PATs made/attempted: 412/418
Atlanta Falcons – PATs made/attempted: 254/256
Pro Bowl records:
Most points in Pro Bowl (total) – 45 (15 points after touchdown, 10 field goals)
Most points after touchdown in Pro Bowl (total) – 15
Most field goal attempts in Pro Bowl (total) – 18
Most field goals in Pro Bowl (total) – 10
Andersen holds 2nd place in the following NFL records:
Most PATs attempted (career) – 859 (1st place: George Blanda, 959)
Most PATs made (career) – 849 (1st place: George Blanda, 943)
Most seasons – 25 (1st place: George Blanda, 26)
Most seasons, 100 or more points – 14 (1st place: Jason Elam, 16)
Most games with 5 or more field goals (career) – 9 (John Carney, 11)
the latter two are definitely locks, and Roethlisberger is too. There are no QBs with 2+ Owls who aren't HoFers right now iirc
Urlacher, Vermeil, Cunningham, Seabass, Godstowski and ViGOATieri are all worthy
dunno enough on Walker or Brown
you can argue with his four because none of them were primarily due to his performance. All of them were squarely on the Steel Curtain protecting him
they're closest to "impartial" of the potential voter groups tee bee aitch
>fans can simply stuff ballot boxes
>former players can shut out their old rivals/guys they hate and vote for their not-so-worthy teammates
Yeah, journalists hold grudges against/fawn over certain players, and the NFL HoF standards are insanely high, but I can't really see any other group as more logical to select than the writers.
also the system of voting they have now is stupid.
like it's some accomplishment or something. Baseball's works best imo
>10+ years played gets you on the ballot
>10 years to stay on ballot and get 75% of the total votes (was 15 years until recently)
>Voting bloc is a group of ~450 baseball writers and journalists
>Maximum 10 votes per ballot (which is retarded and also only very recently implemented)
this made me heartily chuckle
>Troy Aikman is in the HOF
>people actually think Roethlisberger and Brees won't get in
the WRs that are currently playing that people love are going to have a much harder time getting in than the QBs will.
QB: Alex Smith
FB: lol fb
HB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Antonio Brown
TE: Travis Kelce
DT: Dontari Poe/ Haloti Ngata/ Ndomukong Suh
DE: Muhammad Wilkerson/ Jurrell Casey
LB: Jamie Collins/ James Harrison/ Terrell Suggs/ Ryan Kerrigan
CB: Derrell Revis/ Richard Sherman/ Pat Pete
S: Kam Chancellor/ Earl Thomas/ Devin Mccourty
Joe Buck never played or coached pro football
the rest are plausible, given a high level of future production
Brees will likely get in if he retires at the end of this season, as will Fitz. Rodgers too, given his past accomplishments
>I prepare for alien invasions so aliens must exist and want to kill us
Thats how stupid you sound. The video taping was legit, but that was on BB not TB, which is why TB12 never got charged with shit.
Even then video taping isn't illegal, just from the location they were at.
Communications are handled by the NFL, not the stadium. Don't be stupid.
Oh wow guys, thanks for all these (You)s!
Ok here is the actual list of locks
The rest whom have been mentioned in this thread but not on this list need to close out their careers with more consistency, team success or more numbers.
I dont think its as much Stafford as it is everything else. Coaching has been terrible his whole career. Having a shit Oline his whole career which hurts Calvin a lot cause then he doesnt have time to develop his routes.
>Most Likely, but there are arguments against them
Megatron (if he retires within the next 3 years)
>Will be if they keep the production up
What's the argument against Revis? He's the best CB of the 21st century, has been consistently elite for 7 years or so (with the slight exception of his Tampa year) and has a ring.
Putting him in the same tier as Ribers is laughable
are pro bowls still a factor in someone getting in the hall of fame or not.
many times a person gets in the pro bowl because players that were voted ahead of them either are playing in the superbowl, injured, or just don't want to go and it leaves an open spot
eli has like 50 more INT's then ben and a much lower passer rating. Not to mention, they have similar passing yards and TD's, but Eli has almost 1000 more attempts than ben.
ben's stats are much better than eli's, i dont know what you're talking about.
Nice memeing faggot, but I'm right. Just being the GOAT kick returner isn't enough to get it, and that's basically all Devin Hester was/is.
I'm looking forward to your explanation as to why Hester belongs in the HoF
The Steelers were the best team since 2000 that isn't the Patriots. Ben helped lead them to 2 Super Bowls and another appearance, and has become one of the NFL's top QB's since winning his second ring. He'll for sure make the Hall of Fame. Same goes for Eli.
>fewest pass attempts to 30,000 yards in NFL history, beating Johnny Unitas
>fastest to 250 TDs
>Best TD to INT ration in NFL history
>2 time league MVP
>Super bowl MVP
And he's only 32. I understand there are a lot of Aaron Rodgers haters and I understand why people (especially in the NFC North) hate him, but if you think he's not a 1st ballot HOFer, you are delusional.
He's also played his entire career in babby NFL. Peyton, Brady and Favre played in the early 2000s when defenses could still defend. No QBs matter after Peyton and Tom are done. It's Madden out there.
No educated, unbiased person actually thinks the Patriots organization has ever cheated. The whole deflategate ordeal was the best example i've ever seen of a defense mechanism for dealing with dissonance. For real, it should be used in a psych 101 course to demonstrate the concept of dissonance.
For all the shit he gets for being pretty, he's genuinely one of the toughest QBs in the league.
Guy has played with broken fingers, a broken hand, guy doesn't give a fuck about anything but winning
Changes started as early as 94. The difference is that the NFL didn't start enforcing them as hard until the early 2000's. Peyton and Brady had a lot more pass friendly rules and enforcement than someone like Dan Marino did. If he had the same rules as Peyton and Brady with the offenses he had, he would have murdered the current league.
Because OP is a hater. Steelers get a lot of them around these parts.
Big Ben is a lock. He was already a lock 5 years ago, before putting up MVP caliber seasons the two seasons prior to this one, and not this season only because he got injured.
Sure, you'll get some people absolutely refusing to vote for him, even if he wins two more Owls, just because of the false allegations.
lel. He's almost at worthy level, but he doesn't have a signature moment like Vinatieri's winners vs. the Raiders and Rams, among others. I think that's what will put him over the top.
>Carson knee injury
>Kicker shanking an indoor, sub 50 FG
>22.6 SB rating
>Entire SB is deemed ref ball
>No team against them scored over 18 points
>Longest run in SB history
>WR threw more TD passes than him in SB
>this player said that Eli was great
Joe Montana's doing pizza commercials with Papa John and Chicken Parm now. I don't think I'm going to take his opinions too seriously.
He's in, the kind of reputation he has alone will put him in. If you ask any defender that's played against him they'd probably agree. He has only improved every year and ironically he's playing the best football of his career right now, but his defense and special teams is utter shit.
It's hardly his fault he hasn't been given the opportunity to make a big time clutch kick*. That said I have every reason to believe that given the chance to do so he would.
*this year's gnats game could have been it if it was a game that actually mattered.
The True LOCKS currently playing. Whether you like it or not these men will be in the hall.
Veterans that have a chance:
Younger Players who will go to the hall if they keep it up:
No shit. You were talking about the Seahawks and I was rebutting with his performance against the Cardinals. He had a good showing against Green Bay as well but couldn't get it done at the end.
>Veterans that have a chance:
14k+ yards in 13 years on a shit team with shit QBs......."a chance"
3rd most receiving yards by a TE
>Younger Players who will go to the hall if they keep it up:
>not having AJ Green, Geno Atkins, Luke Keuchely, Newton, the entire Cowboy's offensive line, Peterson, Chancellor or Thomas.
.......that doesn't make shit for sense, fuckboi.
We were talking about how he "LED A 6 SEED TO A SUPERBOWL". Why would other years matter? He sucked during that SB, and all post season really, so he clearly didn't "led" the team.
Not to mention he wasn't anything special in either Cards or Packers SB.
He threw a pick 6 against the Packers and another int, with both games steadily under 300 yards, he was even given a semi-legitimate chance to win the Packer's SB late and choked.
Also, how James Harrison did not get the 2008 SB MVP is beyond me.
100 yard INT return to make the Steelers go up 10, 17-7, instead of down 4, 14-10 is way more important than a dime a dozen QB who threw 1 TD and 1 int...
The second group are just players who have some chance, whether it be 23% or 99% but aren't locks. The two you singled out I agree have very good chances.
Yeah I got tired of listing players for the younger guys and just had the blindingly obvious ones. The guys you've listed could all get there.
>The second group are just players who have some chance, whether it be 23% or 99% but aren't locks
Dude, you're making it even more obvious how foreigners shouldn't be listened to on American football boards.........
Andre Johnson and Antonio Gates are absolutely, 150% HOF bound, their numbers are amazing and their reputations are spotless.
Serious question from a non-football fan: why are people ITT saying that Larry Fitzgerald is a definite HOF but not Andre Johnson? Seems to me the only thing Larry is better than Andre at is being in a better team.