no. Honestly even winning the SB this year wouldn't do it.
It's interesting because before last season, it seemed like more people would have put Peyton ahead of Brady despite the disparity in owls, but as soon as Brady won last year he immediately became the indisputable GOAT.
>>65038395 Peyton losing the bowl in such terrible fashion in 2013 has pretty much cemented his reputation as a playoff choker. He would have to win this superbowl and repeat next year as an MVP candidate in order to supplant or even be considered an equal to Brady.
>>65039260 Brady isn't even the favorite on sp, he's just easy to make chiefs tier numbers of shitposts about because he has the best surrounding situation ever and people can pretend to think it's an individual game.
>>65039900 Peyton is still adored in Indianapolis. We still have the Peyton Manning children's hospital after all, and I think literally everyone is pulling for him to win another Owl and especially beat Brady. It's not like he left, he was forced out by a drugged out drunk slob.
>>65040229 If it wasn't for Rodgers pulling his hammy last year and Capers going full Capers and chocking the win to the Seahawks I fully believe the Packers would have beaten the Patriots in the Super Bowl if Rodgers came out healthy the week before the Super Bowl.
Also if the Packers would have won the coin toss in OT last year they probably would have won. Same with this year.
>>65040354 seriously this. We have multiple HoF and generational talents in the AFC that are absolutely dominant, and yet all these fucks cry is 'wah wahh its boring'. It is going to be a very long time before to see such high level QB play and dominance from multiple teams like we have for the past 10-15 years. With college football trending the way it is, it seems that the NFL in 10 years is going to be maybe 1 or 2 decent quarterbacks in the whole league and a bunch of meme QB shit like the NFC has been for the past decade. I'd love to hear from those people bitching about how QBs are too good now when that happens.
>>65040496 I overstated but the best in post salary cap history. It's pretty downs to claim his receiving corps is average when beli constantly pulls hall of famers out of his ass. Best coaches. Great defense and balanced offense for each of his super bowl winning seasons.
>>65040496 recievers and run yes very average with the exception of 1 or 2 players, but O-line fuck no. Until recently when Mankins was traded, Brady has had one of the best and most consistent O-lines in the NFL for almost his whole career.
>>65040553 debateable whether welker is HoF, Moss is obviously first round, but he was only with Brady for 2 seasons, and by the 2nd season w/ him he was pretty much done. Gronk (when he's healthy) is the only surefire HoF lock Brady has had for multiple seasons as a receiver. Look at some of the WRs that other great QBs have had around them throughout their careers. I'd say it is more than fair to say that Brady has had a pretty average WR core for his career.
>>65040578 that too. but basically brady just game manages his way to super bowls during seasons where everything else is great. he only looks elite when he has historic levels of offensive talent running up the score against shit teams
>>65040675 Its true. It isn't all his fault, but at least part of the blame is on him, particularly in the last 2 seasons. He does nothing with the offense for 55 minutes of the game and then has to try to pull a huge comeback out of his ass both times. If he played better throughout the whole game he and his team wouldn't be put into those situations.
>>65040669 but isn't that just it? if it had nothing to do with their success, why the fuck are they doing it? why were they filming practices? why were they slightly deflating balls in a game they absolutely destroyed in?
i'm not convinced that the only two times they were caught are the only times they've ever cheated. if they're cheating to get SLIGHT advantages like that (high risk, low reward), i'm absolutely certain there's a lot more shit they're doing in the background. those small advantages add up, anon.
>>65040710 Balls weren't deflated. It has been proved time and again. They never filmed any practices, the statement has been retracted and ESPN apologized on live television for saying they did.
The only 'cheating' they have ever been objectively proved of doing and have admitted to is filming in the wrong location during a live broadcasted game (a rule that was only made just that year, and the action of doing it in years past was totally legal). There are teams that have been found cheating in much more flagrant manners. Just last season as the same time as the deflategate drama, the Browns and Falcons were caught and proved to have been cheating. (falcons pumping in crowd noise, browns sending texts down to the field from the box)
If you want to believe that the Patriots are big fat cheaters that only win because they do things like (not) deflating footballs or (not) filming practices, then there is no way to convince you otherwise. But if you want to objectively look at evidence then you'll see that there is very little they have ever done outside of the rules of the game that other teams haven't already done and in some case done much worse. So really. Nah, it doesn't have anything to do with their successes or failures, just like any other team.
>>65040694 To be fair last year his team was in amazing place to win the game. He did what he needed to do, put up some points against a good defense that was playing at home... and then his defense and special teams blew it and he never got the chance to get the ball in OT.
As for this year I have no idea what the fuck was going on half the time.
>>65040779 The seahawks had 5 turnovers and the GB offense put up a total of 19 points or some shit like that by the end of the 4th quarter. They needed to be up 30+ like the panthers were against them this year if the Seahawks are gonna give it away 5 times.
>>65040747 NFL spent millions of dollars during a 4 month long investigation to prove it and the most they were able to squeeze out of it was "more probable than not that he was generally aware of" and even that got shot own a hundred times before a federal judge laughed it out of the court
and the only "proof" of taping practices is an asshurt ex Panthers GM and an article that the paper later apologised for
>>65040776 >guys we're just REALLY unlucky that's why we kept on getting accused of cheating >guys we accidentally cheated that one time we were actually caught for it >guys none of our rings of asterisks
lel i've heard it all before you fucking shill. your team cheats like crazy. only delusional pats fans don't think they cheat all the damned time.
>>65040797 >even admits that it was more probable than not >still siding with the pats
bruh you're found guilty or not guilty. you're not found innocent. you're delusional if you think that those balls weren't deflated looking at the facts. they just couldn't prove it IN A COURT OF LAW (beyond a reasonable doubt)
>butthurt panthers gm
wow it seems like a lot of people are butthurt about the pats considering they're accused of cheating every damned season!
>>65040892 Pats got refballed hard in the regular season vs. Denver. The Patriots offense seems to be working again, and having collins for the whole game (barring injury) will make a huge difference in shutting down the denver run. That said, any time the pats have to play in Denver i'm worried. I'm hoping the frustration of how they lost that game will fuel them to play lights out on sunday and not give the refs a chance to fuck them twice.
>>65040992 Are any other pats fans dissapointed with how Amendola turned out? When he was on the rams he looked like the next Welker, then when he came to the Pats he got that hip/groin injury and never had the same explosiveness.
>>65041014 He was supposedly the next Welker which is why he was signed. But it turned out we had an even better slot receiver already in Foxborough. Edelman is miles better than Welker ever was. I'm not disappointed in Amendola. He came up clutch last postseason and stepped up this season when everyone else was dead. Plus he's an above average KR. Sucks that this offseason he's going to be asked to take another pay cut or get released. He's a quality WR4
>>65041210 its too soon/wrong to say that edelman is miles better than welker ever was. Welker was flat out undeniable from 2007-2012. Everyone in the building and everyone watching at home knew it was going to Welker and he got open and caught it anyway. He had some absolute heart breaker drops when it mattered most in the playoffs though. Edelman making big catches in big games is really the only thing he is undeniably better than Welker at.
>>65040914 Did you watch both games? NE was on fire vs. KC; that game wasn't as close as the score would suggest. Denver, on the other hand looked like shit. There's absolutely no question who is the better team. People make too big of a deal about home field
>>65041297 I watched both. NE looked strong but not invincible. They had multiple opportunities to put KC away for good and instead give up huge 3rd downs over and over. They can't afford to do that against Denver because the refs can and will fuck them over on a crucial drive if the last time they played in Denver is any indication. Home field or not, Brady & Belichick's teams have historically lost more a good deal more than they have won in Denver, particularly in the playoffs. I think there is good reason to be wary. Not doubtful but wary.
>>65041352 Fair enough. I'm rooting for Denver desu cause I want to play them in the owl, but I think it'll be a clean NE win. The defense seemed to be struggling mostly with Smith's meme scramble plays and Peyton won't be doing that. Anderson destroyed NE during the regular season so we'll see how much of a difference the linebackers make. If he isn't getting 7.5ypc they'll be able to hold Denver to a couple of touchdowns at best
>>65041464 on edelman welker, edelman has not surpassed welker yet, but I agree with the point made about edelman being clutch as hell, whereas welker wasn't, but that drop overshadows that welker was the best slot reciever in the league for a period between about 2007-10/11, and it wasn't even close. So good at the 3rd and 4-6 yards, and good at making guys miss. If edelman keeps this up though, and continues his clutchness, I believe that a few seasons from now, he will surpass welker.
>>65041499 I agree with this statement, in my opinion, the key here, is whether or not the offensive line of the pats will hold. If Brady has more than 1.5 seconds to get rid of the ball, he will beat you. If vonn miller and demarcus ware are on him all day, expect a few bad throws leading to some pick sixes the broncos will need to win.
>>65041499 Hightower is one of the most underrated LBs in the NFL. He is fantastic, however he has had injury issues all season and i'm worried about him having to leave the game again and force Freeney or Flemming or whoever the fuck else is on the bench behind him to take up the responsibility of shutting down the broncos run game.
>>65041537 Having Collins for the full game would definitely be huge, but remember earlier in the year Collins didn't even play and the Patriots shut down the Broncos with ease until Hightower went down too. Collins might be the better LB of the two, but Hightower is more important to the defense working as a cohesive and effective unit.
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