It's a player vs. player thread, cast your vote!
Buffon or Casillas
Kahn or Neuer
Cafu or Dani Alves
Nesta or Cannavaro
Keane or Vieira
Lampard or Gerrard
Iniesta or Zidane
Figo or Nedved
Ronaldo or Romario
Neymar or Ronaldinho
Totti or Del Piero
Rivaldo or Kaka
Henry or Suarez
Villa or Raul
>people in this thread unironically putting Lampard over Gerrard
>your opinion a shit
Ronaldinho (Neymar might surpass him though)
Good idea but most of those are pretty obvious. The only ones that made me think were Totti/Del Piero, Henry/Suarez and Villa/Raul
But that's objectively true. Put Gerrard on 03-14 Chelsea and they'd still win everything that they've won and maybe. Put Lampard on Gerrard's Liverpool and they'd be even more pathetic
Henry who also won a CL whilst playing in La Liga
No he hasn't, his first year to 18 months at liverpool he couldn't score for shit, created good chances, sure, but couldn't finish, only since late 2012 early 2013 he started scoring a lot to go with his overall play where he could be considered world class. His time in Holland can't really be talked about because a lot of players have looked great there and flopped elsewhere
>his first year to 18 months at liverpool he couldn't score for shit, created good chances, sure, but couldn't finish
Maybe because he was put into a team playing hoofball to Andy Carroll? Watch some Liverpool games from that period and he was still incredible in spite of not scoring every week (and he still scored 20-something goals in 50 games during those 18 months, hardly a disastrous record.
>His time in Holland can't really be talked about because a lot of players have looked great there and flopped elsewhere
Literally confirmed for not having watched him play for Ajax.
He was drawn in a CL group with Madrid and Milan and still managed to stand out.
If you don't think Suarez has been world class since 09/10 then you simply haven't seen him play for Ajax and dismissed it with >muh eredivisie
well nerman is missing the WC, mainly. but i guess i referred to the fact that ronaldinho burned brightly and briefly because he got bored and chose bunda and booze over staying in form
Ronaldinho isn't Adriano. He wasn't just good for 2 years then went missing.
He was world class from 2001 up until 2009. He was GOAT from late 2003 until early 2006. Putting Neymar ahead of him already after he's only had 1.5 years at an elite level (with Messi and Suarez enhancing that level) is ridiculous.
He definitely wasn't world class at PSG. He just showed glimpses of his potential but was way inconsistent and if you look back, he wasn't even considered one of the best players in Ligue 1
this one is pretty close but i'll go with Iniesta
Ronaldinho (purerly on the fact that i love him although neymar will be better)
Ronaldinho (a bit of an unfair comparison because one is at the end of his career and the other at the beginning)
Henry (see ronaldinho, but one is retired while
the other is in his prime)
Vieri, no contest. Inzaghi is way overrated. For a poacher who didn't contribute anything other than finishing his goalscoring record isn't even that impressive, he only managed to score 20 league goals in a season once in his entire career.
Madrid's Donaldo > van Nistelrooy >>>>> Inzaghi as far as modern poachers go
He's right though, it looks like you just googled some old players in order to appear knowledgeable. Valeron was a classic #10, while Baraja was a tough CM. It's like comparing Arturo Vidal to David Silva
>people actually rating Lampard ove rGerrard
Hes the liverpool hate really gone that far? I dont like the guy either but he carried a shit team for almost all his career. put lamaprd in liverpool and they would have won nothing.
At his peak Raul was a ballon d'or candidate. Villa never came close to that, he was just lucky to be born a bit later so he was able to spend his peak years at the height of the spanish golden generation.
>people really believes this shit
>people actually lies to put Raul cancer over Villa
Ok lol in 1 season he made more than Raul in half his career at a big club. Not to mention he carried NT together with goatniesta and xavi to the WC.
>At his peak Raul was a ballon d'or candidate
>ballon d'or candidate
he finished 2nd once in the memeiest vote to date. Michael Owen won that edition for fuck's sake, that's how bad it was.
>basing your opinions on wiki stats because you never saw them play
You'll find that most elite strikers from the 90s/early 00s rarely broke 20 league goals/30 in a season, because teams then used to play 4-4-2 so the goals were more equally shared between the two strikers. In Villa's era and still to this day teams focus on one main goal scorer with support players in behind and on the wings.
yeh m8, that's exactly why Owen wasn't scoring that much, because he's partner in crime EMILE HESKEY was scoring so much that there was nothing left for Owen.
And truly world class strikers like Henry, Shevchenko, Ronaldo, van Nistelrooy, Shearer, Eto'o somehow never had that problem
I'm talking about his career. He had the potential to be a world class striker like those I mentioned but he never realised and naming him world's best player was nothing short of a joke
I agree that he didn't deserve the ballon d'or, and was never the no.1 player or even striker in the world at any point, but he was still world class. There's not a team in the world who wouldn't have wanted 98-01 era Owen in their line-up.
>Be the big dog 9 at Valencia\
>Go to barca and play on the wing to accommodate Messi
>Still rek shit
Villa was an animal till he broke his leg in that fucking world club challenge
>Sporting vs Benfica edition:
Rui Patricio vs Julio Cesar
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Mantorras
Figo vs Rui Costa
Peyroteo vs Eusebio
William Carvalho vs Matic
Futre vs Di Maria
Mario Jardel vs Jonas
Nani vs Nuno Gomes
Liedson vs Mitroglou
Acosta vs Cardozo
Do you wanna look as well at their goals/matches at the end of their careers? please? Raul are shit, like 222 goals in a shiton of matches(around 700-900), truly one legend.
Although i consider rooney a really good player (as he is complete and offer many variables for the game) yeah something like that. living of only that. Raul was just a tap in shit with 0 skill other than boping the ball over the GK from time to time.
Patrício > Júlio César
CR7 = Mantorras
Figo > Rui Costa
Peyroteo < Eusébio
William < Matic
Futre < Di Maria
Jardel >>> Jonas
Nani >>> Nuno Gomes
Liedson >>>>>>>>>> mitriglou
Acosta <<<<<<<<<< Cardozo
Nesta was goat since starting playing for Lazio, best cb in a serie A full of goats, captain of the team
Cannavaro was very good, but also his career was related to scandals and drug use while playing for Parma and Juventus, also his spell at madrid was a absolute meme
Nesta was goat every season he played, just affected by some serious injuries
Nesta got injured in the last group phase game so Materazzi could play
Franguicio > Julio cesar
Figo > Rui costa
Peyroteo > Eusebio
William Carvalho = Matic
Futre >>>> Di maria
Nani < Nuno Gomes
Liedson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitroglou
Acosta > Cardozo
Julio Cesar, Patricio is shit
Cristiano ever played for sporting? please don't be a pleb
idk who peyroteo is
Di Maria was goat in Portugal
Nuno Gomes by far
mitroglou the fulham flop?
Tori Black vs. Jenna Haze
Phoenix Marie vs. Jayden James
Jada Stevens vs. Remy Lacroix
Eva Angelina vs. Tory Lane
Sasha Grey vs. Bree Olson
Lexi Belle vs. Madison Ivy
Asa Akira vs. London Keyes
Skin Diamond vs. Leilani Leeanne
Both are in contention for GOAT but i personally prefer Tori
James barely does anal
Remy is the official /sp/ pornstar
Eva's pussy looks worse than Hope Solo's pussy
I prefer the dumb horny porn persona to Sasha's aggresive confident persona
Never been a fan ov Lexi. But Madison got worse with every boobjob and change of hair color.
London was the on of the first pornstars i've fapped to and she stayed one of my favourites to this day. Asa is obviously also fine.
Prettier face than Leilani and I like her character as well. Check out her video with Kassem G if you haven't done it already
Buffon > Casillas
Kahn > Neuer
Cafu > Dani Alves
Nesta > Cannavaro
Vieira > Keane
Gerrard > Lampard
Zidane > Iniesta
Figo > Nedved
Ronaldo > Romario
Neymar > Ronaldinho
Totti > Del Piero
Rivaldo > Kaka
Henry > Suarez
Villa > Raul
Jenna has assworms
Quite difficult to choose one. Remy for the hips.
Never liked Sasha.
Madison looks like absolute shit.
Don't like either really.
She is top tier
>tfw spending my friday night voting for porn stars
lol, no. What has he ever done on the highest level? He never performed on the CL, never performed for Italy. He always has been a sure starter for Roma since he is an ok-level player, aside from that he has done nothing.
He's good, but he's not Del Piero good.
>all Brazilians saying Romario>>Ronaldo
>all foreigners aside from two (until now) saying Ronaldo>>Romario
and now I go to sleep. May be you'll reply to me and I'll read in the morning, but remember that all the civilized knowledgeable population of football fans Earth has accepted Ronaldo as a superior player.
>implying Totti never performed for Italy
>implying Del Piero ever did
Del Piero was criticized a lot for his chokes for the NT, Totti had 5 assists (most of the tournament) in 2006 with a patched ankle and was amazing in 2002
Totti and Del Piero are extremely close in terms of quality, but Totti just slightly edges it
>gerrard over lampard
People overrate gerrard too much for his performances in the fa cup and champions league finals. Lampard has been a consistently better player overall at the highest level
actually I think that Del Piero had more skill, but he showed it only with Juventus
Totti is a close second, but he gave everything he got when playing for both Roma and Italy
>that Euro 2000
>that WC 2002
>that wc 2006
Problem is, you europeans barely saw him playing and people here were probably too young or not even born (like me) when he won the 94 WC. Guy was a beast, never seen a better CF than him. It's just lack of knowledge from your part.
>Cristiano ever played for sporting? please don't be a pleb
come on now
Buffon > Casillas
Kahn > Neuer
Cafu > Dani Alves
Nesta > Cannavaro
Keane > Vieira
Lampard < Gerrard
Iniesta < Zidane
Figo > Nedved
Ronaldo > Romario
Neymar < Ronaldinho
Totti > Del Piero
Rivaldo < Kaka
Henry > Suarez
Villa > Raul
Good matches btw m8
>Cristiano ever played for sporting?>please don't be a pleb
Canada get your leaf together
I loved how Del Piero "retired" (I count MLS, A-league, Qatar, China as retirement) right after bringing Juve back to the top, including that late winner against Lazio that kept them at the top late in the season
So did Zico, Pelé, Garrincha, Sócrates, Falcão and so many others who never left or played only a couple of years abroad. This doesn't make them any less great.
>periphery of elite football
Meh, after the shitfest that was 2014's WC, half the NT is composed by people playing in Brazil nowadays.
Pele, Falcao and Zico played on elite Brazilian teams in an era when Brazilian league was comparable to European ones (and Falcao even had some success with Roma IIRC). Romario played on lower mid table teams when the gap started to drastically widen
I probably have seen more than you and probably have also consulted unbiased (read: non-BR) people who've been watching football before you were shitting your diapers. Everyone who's seen both of them in their prime rates Ronaldo over Romario, it's not even close.
Matter of fact - the 94 Brazil was more stacked than the 2002 one, by how much even. 98 one was the second best after the 94 I've seen, but they choked in final for god knows what reasons (bad luck, superior french team or conspiracy theories, it's all the same to me). Remember how the 2002 Brazil weren't even qualifying so easily originally, that was because Ronaldo was a key player and he was injured. Romario however had better stars alongside him in 1994.
So chucking Romario's 94 WC over Ronaldo's 2002 is unfair, as I say the latter definitely has more merit, R9 even put 2 past Kahn (who, fair enough, was sort of injured, and one of the goals came from a Rivaldo shot first).
That's why I say R9 has had far more merit in his NT. Career in the professional clubs though? Not even a question of how much better R9 was. Check the teams Romario scored against and compare the teams R9 scored against if you have some stats available to you. See the defenders R9 had to put up in the Italian league and compare it with the subpar defenders Romario was put up against.
Not to mention R9 could play both as a wonderful playmaker and a pure striker/finisher, whereas Romario only had finesse in his touch and wasn't half the dribbler or the player Ronaldo was in RM.
>Matter of fact - the 94 Brazil was more stacked than the 2002 one, by how much even. 98 one was the second best after the 94 I've seen, but they choked in final for god knows what reasons (bad luck, superior french team or conspiracy theories, it's all the same to me). Remember how the 2002 Brazil weren't even qualifying so easily originally, that was because Ronaldo was a key player and he was injured. Romario however had better stars alongside him in 1994
1994: Romário, Bebeto, Zinho
2002: Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
defenders were more or less equivalent.
Ronaldo was undoubtedly better than Romário though, the difference is the later played for popular clubs here for several years.
Literally the people who barely saw him playing. Opinion dicarded.
>Romario however had better stars alongside him in 1994.
Kek, what are you talking about Hans? 2002 team had many more stars and better players, you just proved your lack of knowledge regarding Brazilian football. And is good to remember that Ronaldo was a total embarrassment in 98 and 2006.
Whether Ronaldo was able to play in different roles doesn't matter, because he wasn't able to atain in any position the quality Romário had in one. Doesn't mean Ronaldo is bad, just that Romário is better.
Also, pic related.
>Kek, what are you talking about Hans? 2002 team had many more stars and better players, you just proved your lack of knowledge regarding Brazilian football.
The front 3 was better in 02, but the 94 had a much better defence and midfield. You seem to be forgetting that Brazil struggled to even qualify for that WC, because Ronaldo was injured.
>And is good to remember that Ronaldo was a total embarrassment in 98 and 2006.
In 98 he won the WC best player award. In 06 he scored 3 goals in 5 games.
>Whether Ronaldo was able to play in different roles doesn't matter, because he wasn't able to atain in any position the quality Romário had in one. Doesn't mean Ronaldo is bad, just that Romário is better.
Romario was basically the Aguero of the 90s. He didn't stand out from the other world class players from around that time. Ronaldo though was THE star of world football, he was peerless. They simply cannot be compared.
>Also, pic related.
The only thing that matters when it comes to NT records is major tournaments. So lets see:
Copa America - 6 games 7 goals
World Cup - 5 games 5 goals
1x Best player Award
1x Team of the Tournament
Copa America - 10 games 10 goals
World Cup - 19 games 15 goals
2x Best player award
2x Golden Boots
2x Final MOTM awards
4x Team of the Tournament
>scoring against literal whos is impressive
The brit already bootyslapped you into irrelevance anyway, I won't even bother.
Face it: Romario is literally inferior everywhere to Ronaldo on pitch.
Brazil didn't play in the World Cup qualifiers because we were the hosts, so instead Neymar statpadded against scrubs in friendlies for 4 years.
The World Cup is the only relevant International tournament.
The World Cup comes around every 4 years.
That means the average player has a MAXIMUM of 3 tournaments to play in during their career.
The world cup consists of 4 knock-out games and 3 group games = total 7 games
7 * 3 = 21
21 is the only relevant number of caps that a player can feasibly earn in their International career. Any more than that indicates a shit-load of bullshit friendlies and irrelevant mickey mouse competitions.
And remember, it's scored OUT OF 21. So a player with 50 caps hasn't necessarily played in all 21 of those games. In fact, nobody has.
The best players maybe get 10-12 out of 21. The likes of Zidane, Ronaldo etc. The World Cup 'legends'.
But really it doesn't mean shit. There are countless players who have 150+ or 200+ caps that you've never ever heard of.
but you know we Germans love statistics, right? Oh wellll
I'll expand on what the Brit has said. As their club careers are obviously non-comparable with Ronaldo shinning in comparison with that narcissist fuck, I guess we'll go the national team route:
7 + 11 + 6 + 6(3 Netherlands before BR) / 4 = 6.75/7.5
5 + 4 (+4 Chile) + 6 + 9 + 3 (+1 Turkey) + 5 (+1 Belgium) +
+ 1 (+2 Germany) + 7 + 3 (+3 Ghana) / 9 = 4.77/6
These are their WC performances to rate them as "strikers", ok? The numbers I add up are the amount of goals the teams they scored against let past them during group stages + later stages. The ones in the brackets are the after group stage goals Brazil (with Romario/Ronaldo scoring on the same match as well) have scored against.
What I mean with the brackets is: up until Ghana faced Brazil for example they only let 3 goals past them and in that match, after group stage, they let 3 past them. I would generally not count them, because of the strong Brazilian offensive, that's why there are two ratios. I also "helped" Romario out there, by counting for Turkey the two goals Brazil have scored against them in the group stage in that "3" they have (with 1 being also scored by Ronaldo).
This way I can approximately "rate" the opposition Ronaldo/Romario have faced defense-wise in the WCs. As you can see Ronaldo's ratio is much better, even though he also played against better teams and against more of them (with fewer games the margin of error, the "outlier" is higher, so the small number of games should have been TO Romario's advantage)
I can do something similar for their club careers and their Copa America performances if I were autistic enough, but I'm not really. Anyway, as you can see, where it matters, that is - in the WCs, Ronaldo has been much more impressive even in this regard.
oh, and alright, I can remove that goal Romario scored against Sweden in the later stages/I think SF, I made a mistake I suppose. Still the ratio would be 5.5 (the one in front). And STILL worse than Ronaldo's.
Not to mention Ronaldo had scored against both a team in SF and Final, so those teams might have let more past them. That worked against his advantage. And STILL
>C.Ronaldo > Mantorras
>Figo > Rui Costa
>Peyroteo <<< Eusebio
>William > Matic
>Futre >>>>> Di Maria
>Jardel >>>>>>>>>>> Jonas
>Nani < Nuno Gomes
>Liedson > Mitroglou
>Acosta > Cardozo
also check this article, it also involves R9 and Romario in their "primes" at Barca (though Ronaldo's was at Inter actually).
It will tell you again that Ronaldo is better statistics wise. I mean that's ignoring the fact that he was the better dribbler, the better playmaker, the better passer, the better striker, had more honors, more individual awards and the fact that he is just, by pretty much any expert worth shit, regarded better than Romario.
Favela nigger btfo
>The front 3 was better in 02, but the 94 had a much better defence and midfield.
Lmao, wtf are you talking about? Our defense in 02 was much better, Cafu and Roberto Carlos were as good as Jorginho e Branco, but the CBs were better without a single doubt. The midfield was better in 94, but in 02 the attack had stars like Ronaldinho and Rivaldo supporting Ronaldo, while Romário had Rai and Bebeto,
>You seem to be forgetting that Brazil struggled to even qualify for that WC
Brazil never really struggled to qualify my friend.
>In 98 he won the WC best player award.
And was a embarassment anyway, so was 06.
> In 06 he scored 3 goals in 5 games.
you can't defend Ronaldo in 2006, really, don't even try. He scored agains meme opponents.
>Romario was basically the Aguero of the 90s
>The only thing that matters when it comes to NT records is major tournaments.
Romário played two WC, Ronaldo played 4.
As for international prizes, doesn't really matter, europeans would never give a prize for someone playing in Brazil. Romário was a peerless striker.
he didn't do anything Hans.
Lad, Romario was much more effective and important to the Brazilian NT than Ronaldo, specially because he didn't have the stars to support him like Ronaldo did. You guys seem to be forgetting this, plus as I showed before Romario had a better scoring record.
>only WC matters
>also check this article
>by Liam Colbert (gringo)
Okay, I've read it and my conclusion stands the same, like pic related shown in the same article. I will put it simply, the reason we Brazilians put Romário above Ronaldo is because we really saw him playing, we know what he was capable of, but you on the other hand barely watched him playing. We know how he was much more important for the NT than Ronaldo ever were.
>Favela nigger btfo
Don't resort to name calling my friend, it makes you look impolite.