I was too young to watch Jerry Rice play, and I'm trying to figure out why cats think he be the best Wide Receiver of all time?
I just honestly don't get how he is all time #1 in Receptions, receiving yards and TDs. From the film I seen he looks kind of slow to be honest. So I went back to look at his 40 time and it was Fucking 4.71! Holy shit there are D-Linemen with faster 40s than that. Alex Smith runs a faster 40! He was also only 6'2 which isn't really that tall for a wideout. People also say other receivers like Chris Carter had better hands. In todays NFL he probably wouldn't even make it onto the field.
Was it just those 49ers teams were so talented that unlike a lot of the best WR they could only single cover him every time? Was Montana and Steve Young just that great of QBs that they could make a good receiver an all time great?
I'm absolutely not being sarcastic. To me the talent difference between the two is like night and day and I can't understand how anybody could argue that Rice was a better WR than Moss after watching film of both.
I think a lot of people greatly underrate the importance of route running. Putting yourself in the right place at the right time to catch the ball is the single most important thing a receiver can do to maximize the chances of making a catch.
I heard the late 80s early 90s were a time when teams mostly played bad defense and offensives blew up from something called the Left Coast Offense. Like offenses really started to expand what they were doing and defenses had no answer to it.
Moss had a great early career, but his selfishness caught up to him, he ended his career as a has been on the Titans. Rice was still lighting it up with Rich Gannon as his qb. Moss was lazy, never put in the work. Rice is listed as the greatest player to ever play on many lists.
Jerry Rice was the greatest late game receiver of all time. It wasn't because he could run faster than everybody else, it was because he could run longer than everybody else.
Because route running. Rice was always in the right spot for every QB he played with. This was also during an era where defenders could mugg the fuck out of wide recievers and not have to worry as much about penalties. Rice could avoid contact on the short/medium routes, be where the QB wanted him, and run after the catch. Moss was great, but Rice is GOAT because he was damn near automatic.
I remember when he played for the Bills. He made the whole team better.
Route running >>>>>> speed
Speed is overrated as fuck. A lot of GOAT receivers aren't Devin Hester fast, but all of them can catch literally anything and all of them make cuts better than anybody.
A lot of people forget that Jerry Rice was part of the offense that pioneered the extensuve use of a lot of what are now standard Wide Receiver routes, such as the Curl route. Rice was able to cut like a champion, and Walsh took advantage of that by having Jerry run routes that rely heavily on good cuts, routes that most of the league rarely if ever saw a receiver run before. That, more than Montana and Young, was what made Rice elite in the late 80s and early 90s.
Played against quick receivers and I feel they are easier to cover than receivers who cut and make their routes perfectly, quick players can't control the speed of their cuts or have to slow down making it obvious where they're going(IMO) versus someone who travels that same speed that and has hands of God, they might not make any YACs but they'll get you that first down. Lad I played against always made the perfect route and if you weren't 100% you were dust even though you could be quicker than him that cut put him 2 yards ahead straight away and took your momentum.
He lacks elusiveness as a runner and he doesn't run all that often, which is a good thing.
There are actually a lot of QBs who were quite fast but were not known for their running.
Joe Montana was actually quite fast and, if I remember correctly, during team workouts he actually was faster than Jerry Rice in sprints. Montana said something of Rice about that. Something along the lines of, "In training camp, he's always dead last in the sprints. But the amazing thing is that on game day, he's always open."
Troy Aikman was also pretty fast. I seem to remember he was faster in the training camp sprints than Emmitt Smith. Smith was no rocket but I suspect many people would be surprised to know that Aikman was faster than Smith in a sprint.
>you have to be fast to be great
He was great because he ran perfect routes.
Never dropped the ball
Always got opened.
Walter Payton was also considered slow, and pretty small for a running back. Try checking his numners. Being fast doesn't make you a great player......just means you are fast.
Rice's 40 yard dash time at the combines was maybe 4.5 or 4.6. It was weak enough that it enabled the 49ers to draft him in the year after they won a Super Bowl.
Bill Walsh's comment about Rice was that the dash times (shorts, no pads) don't matter as much as functional, in-the-game speed. Generally speaking, in an NFL game, if Rice got a step on the DB, it was a TD unless the DB is a Deion Sanders or Rod Woodson in his prime.
When Montana was the QB, every slant route that Rice ran and was the primary target could be a touchdown. He devastated DBs on cuts and he was a very strong runner, very difficult to tackle.
I believe in Rice's biography, he admitted that Randy Moss was the more naturally gifted player. However, Moss was lazy and didn't train as Rice did. Rice's training and obsession with playing a perfect game made him the more effective player.
Rice is in the discussion for greatest NFL player ever.
He didn't just break records, he broke them so dramatically that second place isn't even in his rear view mirror.
His productivity throughout his career was also impressive.
The guy just mastered the position.
Moss was a better athlete. TO was better conditioned.
Rice just won.
His route running was like in a boxer's term mike tyson's defense
defenders would think they're close to rice catching the ball when in actuality he was a few steps back or forward of the defender to become a open window and easy yards
into his later years he was still burning out people , even when people called him to retire he signed with the raiders and helped them go to their 5th superbowl
Absolute goat , stickem or not.
Rice was the GOAT because a he had incredible talent and durability.
Antonio Brown is on his way to surpassing him, desu. Has the talent. Durability remains to be seen.
Also, you're not old enough to have even watched Rice's later years? Fuck I'm getting old.
Rice made him look good you retard.
And OP, he ran perfect routes, had soft ass hands coated in stickum, and his acceleration down the field was insane. He was a rare combination of talent and football IQ.
Oh and also he had the work ethic of Tiger Woods whacked out on speed.
See what i'm scared of is that the Steelers will just not re-sign AB and he'll end up playing for a retard like Alex Smith, or end up on some other shit team and just have a thoroughly unproductive career. The Steelers never seem to keep their good receivers; Wallace, Burress, Sanders, Holmes (though he did fuck up) and I just figure it'll happen once again.
He is unreal though. He has a real good offense around him but he outshines everyone on the field.
Lad, Brown is a mile ahead of the one dimensional speedsters that they refused to sign. So far, Sanders is the only one who you might make a case for and even then; Martavius Bryant and Markus Wheaton have come on so strong these last 2 years that he wouldn't be a top 2 WR on that team either.
*this team either.
Wallace proved to be a flop after Ben. Holmes was always a decent slot/speed guy but he was elite for a very short time frame. Burress is hard to gauge because of how he ruined his career in NY. Sanders as of right now is less valuable than Bryant or Wheaton. I think Brown and Bell are generational talents and hopefully Ben and the Steelers do too and do whatever it takes to keep them.
I'd honestly say the 85 bears were the last to truly dominate defensively wise until the west coast offence infected the entire NFL with it's cancer so defenses became outdated for a long time until they could finally adapt to it.
i.e. just like how teams couldn't handle the bears meme defense for a while after it was revealed but they eventually adapted to it
Teams will eventually fully adapt to the west coast offense and spread offenses that people run now and we'll see a resurgence of those old school defensive teams again.
What people kind of miss in these sort of things is, what do you define as the greatest?
Jerry Rice is the GOAT. Randy Moss was the most talented. There is a reason when you're growing up that you hear those cliche's about hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. Jerry, until he was over 40, worked harder than any WR ever. In a position where primmadonna's overpopulate the position, he was on the other side. In his A Football Life, he said that this is how he operates in everything he does. Golf, Dancing with the Stars, NFL, whatever. He wasn't the greatest because of his natural talents, he was the greatest because he maximized his limited talents with hard work, precise route running, constant dedication to his craft. Its like Tedd Ginn Jr or Devin Hester. What good is you being open if A: your QB doesn't know exactly where and when that will be and B: if you can't catch to save your life?
This is also why Welker, Edelman, AB, Amendola, are so good. Even a literally who like Mike Furrey (a former safety) was able to make a career as a WR, because its not about your talents, its about your execution. Sure, Randy Moss can go up and win a ball against anybody whenever he wants (Julio Jones reminds me of this type of player) but what good is that in a chess match where being perfect is more important than being good?
when I was a kid in the Bay Area my parents got me this illustrated kids book about the 49ers. It talked about how Jerry Rice grew up in Alabama or something and his dad was a bricklayer and he developed his hands by tossing and catching bricks. I don't know if it's apocryphal but it's a cute story.
Walsh exploited Rice's abilities to run routes, that's why he was so dangerous.
He means consistently.
If Moss had Brady or Manning for the 2000s he should have much better numbers.
That sounds like a circular argument to me
>jerry rice was so good because he ran routes really well and was always in the right place at the right time
>that's not a big deal though because he played in an offense which capitalized on the ability to run routes well and always be in the right place at the right time
2 all-time great receivers with surprisingly different talents and skill sets.
The biggest difference between the two is that Rice was constantly working to get better and was in insanely good shape for his entire (nearly 20-year) career. Moss coasted on his freakish talent and never seemed interested in anything other than making pretty catches. He'd jog on plays where he wasn't going to get the ball and left the field early more than once. He might play better on YouTube but Rice was a better receiver overall.
moss was a lazy piece of shit that never won anything, even when he played with Tom Brady
Rice Was better in every fucking way
>Rice Led the league in receiving 6 times
Moss never led the league in receiving
>Rice led the league in receptions twice
Moss never led in this either
>Rice led the league in td catches 6 times
Moss led the league in td catches 5 times
>Rice's most receiving yards in a season was 1848 in 1995
Moss's most receiving yards was 1,632
>Rice's most receptions was 122
>Moss's Most was 111
>Rice had 22 td's in a 12 game season
Moss had 23 td's in a 16 game season(in the modern passing era)
>Rice had 14 1,000 yard seasons
Moss had 10
>Rice had 4 100 catches seasons
Moss had 2
>Rice had 9 10 td's seasons
Moss also had 10
>Rice had 3 rings and showed up in every owl he played in
Moss never won one, despite playing on a stacked as fucked vikings team and a stacked a s fuck patriots team. Completely disappeared when his team needed him.
reminder that the day after the vikes got BTFO 41-0 in the NFCCG where he did jack shit Moss strongly hinted he wanted to leave the team
reminder that he ran his car into a meter maid at slow speed with a lit joint in the ashtray
reminder that he literally said out loud that he only tries when he feels like it