Griffey and Piazza are hall of famers edition
She's clearly a beard bro. The Olivia Munn to Piazzas Aaron Rodgers. I remember when the gay rumors came out, then all of a sudden he marries some random Playboy model. Damage control at it's finest.
>>hall of fame
yeah, he'll definitely be the first to miss out.
Piazza got in because of his bat; he was a first baseman in catcher's gear, because he couldn't frame pitches, throw out a runner, or call a game to save his life.
Also, Torre got in as a manager not a player, and Ted Simmons isn't a HoFer.
>Edmonds a no
So the hot take de jour is:
>Take away the votes of the 3 people who didn't vote for Griffey!!!11
I thought it was common knowledge that some voters leave of the "sure things" to give their vote to someone on the bubble, since they only get a maximum of 10 votes.
>there are writers who unironically voted for David Eckstein, Jason Kendall, Garret Anderson, and Mike Sweeney
that's stupid though. Even if what I said about him being a fielder in a catcher's suit is true, you can't ignore that he's the best-hitting catcher ever aside from Bench.
>I thought it was common knowledge that some voters leave of the "sure things" to give their vote to someone on the bubble, since they only get a maximum of 10 votes.
exactly. that's why no one has been or ever will be unanimous.
also, why is Miggy being heralded as a future HOFer when he's basically our generation's McGwire but hits for average better?
>there are people who actually take the time to gay bash
get a life bruv. desu senpai
>there are people who unironically don't think David Eckstein isn't a HOFer.
Name 1 player with more grit and clutch than Dave. Oh that's right you cant. Also he won rings in both leagues. Elite.
But since he didn't do roids to jack up his power numbers he's undeserving. Hes basically Jeter with slightly less power but way better defense.
Props to the writer who had the balls to vote for Eck.
Francesa, do you not know that every flub on your show never gets caught. The dudes on your dump button are fucking clueless. *handwave*. Not sure why I actually directed that to Mike himself. But big ups to Piazza 9-11 homerun motherfuckers
>why is Miggy being heralded as a future HOFer when he's basically our generation's McGwire but hits for average better?
Wow I really hope this is bait. Miggy is arguably the 21st century's best hitter.
Hey guys I don't know if my team will be good this year. Should I furiously shitpost about how we're going to win the division and risk being made fun of later or should I just be cool and casual until summer
>As for Piazza, Joe Torre and Ted Simmons were better catchers than he was and THEY didn't belong in the Hall of Fame. He got in SOLELY because he played in New York and LA.
Epic meme breh
>mfw trout plays the way he plays for another 3 years, then retires prematurely
>ymw he gets in the hall of fame, despite the 10 year minimum rule
He's basically a lock if he plays like this for another 3-4 years anyways.
This didn't matter for Babe Ruth, Dave Winfield, Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson, Reggie Jackson, Carl Yastremzki, Al Kaline, Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Mel Ott, Jimmie Foxx, etc.
11th All-Time in slugging percentage and 5th All-Time in OPS for Shortstops
>Barely more than 70 WAR
Carlton Fisk, John Smoltz, Gary Carter, Johnny Bench, Reggie Jackson, etc. etc. etc. would like to have a quick word with you
> piazza is in the hall but bonds and a - god will never be
I misspoke about Rivera being in the Hall, I forgot he's only been gone a year or two.
Point being, given how Rivera IS the greatest closer in history, he will get pretty damn close to 100%, but not quite unanimous; there will be "that(those) guy(s) who left Mariano Rivera off his HoF ballot".
Derek Jeter isn't even a top 15 SS and he shouldn't get 100%. Now do you know what I mean?
>tfw mike trout will never make the hall of fame after his HGH and custom steroid use is exposed
T-Thanks for noticing us, senpai
But it wasn't I
Stove is warm yankeebros. Who else do we have to throw in to get him?
>actively following a major league baseball team that isn't the yankees
Just when I though this place couldn't get more pathetic
is the GOAT catcher, that's not a fair comparison. Jeter gets the "Yankee effect" going for him, but is miles from being the greatest SS.
thank a bunch of crusty old sportswriters with grudges and no knowledge of anything with proper context beyond 1980 for that.
>yankees """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""fans"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" playing the victim card and the "oh every is obsessed le 27 rings" card
as if you guys couldn't be more sad
Will A-Rod get into the HOF?
>His most famous client, the man whose career he was credited with reshaping and saving from mortality’s shadow, was Derek Jeter. In 2010, a few years into Riley’s makeover, The Daily News proclaimed: “Derek is turning back the clock at short.” ESPN declared that Riley had “dumped the Captain into a hot tub time machine” and turned him into a 25-year-old.
Significant caveats are in order here: No evidence has emerged linking Jeter to performance-enhancing drugs, and Sly did not connect him to banned substances, although he boasted of helping other athletes obtain them. And a connection to Sly, Riley or anyone else is hardly proof of any wrongdoing.
Albert signs one day deal in order to retire as a Cardinal
I know, I read the article a couple of times (mostly because it's manning proof).
I still think there's a pretty good distinctive connection between Jeter and someone associated to HGH
Not that I really care for HGH. I'm not as adamant about steroids being this big evil monster as many others are.
But he's a cheater and should be hung from the gallows.
Al Jazeera just released a list of names for people that they thought used HGH with little to no evidence. Do you really think that Jeter's name wouldn't have been on that list if there is even a slight chance of evidence?
I think he should, along with Bonds and Clemens. You can't pick and choose who "looks like they roided" or have no evidence of roid use like the idiot writers are doing; the pitchers should consider themselves lucky, as almost all the deserving ones except Clemens got in without a trace of suspicion or rumor-mongering about roid use.
yeah but none of the others you mentioned were the greatest ever to play their positions. And catcher is the hardest position to be and stay elite at long enough to have a shot at the Hall if you do it full-time without eventually transitioning to first base and/or DH for half your career.
If the vet commitee gets him and other roiders like Bonds in, it would be alright but only after they die
>Al Jazeera just released a list of names for people that they thought used HGH with little to no evidence
Video testament by a guy who worked at the clinic, video of the drugs in the guys fridge, video of a player coming to his house. The Guyer institute then lied about him not working there in 2011 (it was proven he did). The Guyer institute lied about never supplying HGH (Bob Kravitz confirmed he received some from there, and the doctor in question was part of a medical indictment for illegal Chinese HGH)
There's plenty of evidence about the HGH scandal being real, most people are just writing it off as a non-story because 1) Muh peypey 2) people turn a blinds-eye to steroids/hormones 3) muh arab terrorist news
There's more evidence, like big shipments of HGH to Peyton's house under his wife's name.
I hate it when people say there's no evidence, there's a shit ton of fucking evidence.
>but muh the guy recanted his story
Oh so he spoke about things like pig brain peptide and explicit illegal drugs in countries like Toradol and linked them to specific players, but because he recanted his story *AFTER THE FACT* that therein it was really just a big hoax?
I mean sheesh.
But to answer your question, I'm just shitpostingly trolling you about Jeter, I don't think he actually took HGH (to any grand degree like Peypey). I just wanted to butt-bother you.
>Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago
>Those apparent gains by Clemens and Bonds? They're an illusion.
I'm watching MLB network and they just showed a tweet from Roy Halladay ripping Bonds and Clemens for using roids. I wonder how many other high profile players will say something about those guys?
Also, I just got home to finally enjoy Griffey highlights, articles and retrospectives. This one is amazing for radio listeners.
After looking at the HOF results, who was the asswipe writer that wasted a vote on Garret Anderson? Can someone look at this and try to explain to me what he saw that I'm missing?
It's just someone trying to keep them on the ballot when they know damn well they'll never get enough votes. I'm betting the same person didn't vote for Griffey and voted for Nomar.
I think it was two years ago when someone voted for Aaron Sele. I couldn't believe it.
The almost .300ave is nice and 300 more hits than games played looks nice on paper, otherwise it was a meme vote on a slightly better than average player.
And just like players with under 5% votes get kicked off... the 3 jackasses who didn't vote KGJ should get the boot as well.
He got 0.2%. He's off the ballot. But by all means, continue shitposting if you must.
No team had the balls. White Sox wanted 3 year max contract and every other team didn't want to pay for an aging player. He is 31. He was likely to retire from the team he signed to next and his groin injury was troubling. Keep an eye on the Royals, rumor has it they are pulling up some talent from their farm to backstop his shortcomings from age.
>piazza gets in
guess we know who really won, huh roger ;^)
The announcer said it near the end of the first video. "Piazza has dominated Clemens". When that play in the series happened I was yelling at my TV for Piazza to bash Clemens in the face.
if you haven't read this article, i would strongly recommend it
it's a great look at the situation, and piazza is a surprisingly good writer
>a roider at all
stay salty bud
>people on twitter falling for dan lebatard trolling
but they are right before he took steroids he had HOF like numbers
>androstenedione wasn't banned at the time he admitted to using it
>andro is the same as steroids
come on now man, you're better than this
bonds will probably get in at some point, no need to get salty at people who can actually get in without infinite controversy
>he hit home runs and I don't like him, therefore he used steroids
>post yfw Doyers press conference tomorrow is just to introduce Kazmir, not Maeda
>Mike Sweeney gets inducted next year and his number is retired
>cuckees trashy retards are too illiterate to read properly
>It's the middle of winter retard
>he's illiterate because it's cold outside
he has paid he debt to society and if bush can throw 95 then he deserves a chance
>tfw no winter league
what does cold weather have to do with your reading comprehension?
cucking analslime over millions and the WC last season redeemed him in my book desu
Could you read this post when you made it? Can you read my post right now?
I mean it's winter, after all. Hard to read in times like this.
Or anybody with knowledge of baseball and its history.
>you will never eat a pizza handmade by mike piazza
feels bad mang
>I had to go to jury duty for 3 days Mickey
>he's illiterate because he was fulfilling a requirement of his citizenship
thanks for the first dank meme of 2016 senpai
be prepared to hear it all year
Man I loved getting those as a kid.
The elementary school I attended got them for free and handed them out whenever they would come out.
I remember one time there was an article about Darryl Strawberry in the hospital and gave an address to write him a letter.
So I write this guy a letter and shit and tell him I'm a huge fan and the first MLB game I ever attended he hit a grand slam and shit.. that mother fucker never wrote me back.
what was buzz beamer again? do you have any content?
i was born in america but living abroad and SI for kids was the only connection I had to baseball. would not know who griffey or piazza or randy johnson was without si for kids
>When he was 12, Piazza received personal instruction in his backyard batting cage from Ted Williams. The Hall of Famer praised his talent, advised him not to let anyone change his swing, and autographed Piazza's copy of Williams' The Science of Hitting.
uh damn. this dude was destined.
>ywn be a 62nd rounder drafted only because you have connections to tommy lasorda and go on to display your worth, become the greatest hitting catcher ever, and prove everyone who passed on you wrong by making it into the hall of fame
how anyone can not like mike piazza is unfathomable to me
the man was my god growing up
People only dislike him either because of the roid allegations or because they are Roger Clemens
it annoys me that people still buy into the roids thing for him with absolutely no proof, but that's life i guess
>mfw piazza is in the hall and clemens will NEVER get in
>griffey in with record percentage
>A-roid is literally Veteran's Committee bound
it feels comfy as fuck to have only griffey and piazza get in this year t b h
all this smugness that only our fanbases can share
idc if they do or not really, i know how good they were without needing a bunch of old writers to tell me
i only care about my own team's players making it in because i love them and want them to succeed
Mcgwire and Sosa will have to wait for the Veteran's Committee. Basically the election tier among roiders or suspected roiders is like this
Possible election by the writers tier: Bonds, Clemens, maybe A-rod and Ortiz
Veteran's Committee tier: Sosa, McGwire, maybe Palmeiro
Never EVER tier: Canseco, Braun
What does this image mean to you?
This is all purely academic.
You understand the meaning of that word, correct? Or does the image throw you off?
beats the fuck out of me
ouch man, why'd you have to let me have it like that? ease up a little
were you not alive for that year? that home run race was all i ever heard about
of course then bonds comes along and breaks it anyway lol
has anyone ever been snubbed so hard? Snubbed out of two cy youngs, and a 77 (seventy-seven) WAR career got 2.1 (two point one) percent of the vote for the hall of fame
please take note, 77 WAR is almost exactly equal to that of Ken Griffey Jr. Yes, the same Ken Griffey Jr who just got 99.3 (ninety-nine point three) percent of the vote even though he was a liability to his team for about a decade
Griffey got elected because of his 10 year or so run of dominance, where he out up almost all of his career WAR as opposed to the nearly 20 years it took for Brown. Completely different cases m80
please see the attached picture
over a 10 (ten) year period, in the very height of the steroid era, Kevin Brown put up 59 (fifty-nine) WAR, third only to Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson, two men who got over 97 (ninety-seven) percent of the vote first ballot, and ahead of Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez, two of the greatest pitchers ever (not a full 10 seasons for Pedro to be fair)
But yes, also ahead of schilling, smoltz and mussina, hall of famers or future hall of famers.
Who Ken Griffey Jr MLB here?
>and 100% more expensive for same shit type of work,
Yup but at least they spend it on taxes and giving back, unlike the illegals who come here, take your money and then don't put it back into the economy
Ahh never mind, I'm talking to the wrong person when it comes too this
>Fall of the Ottoman Empire
>The Titanic sank
>2 World Wars
>First trans-Atlantic flight
>Harry Caray was born...and died
>Theory of general relativity
>British Empire dissolved
>Haley's Comet passed...twice
>Man went to the moon
>The NBA, NHL, & NFL were formed
>Chicago teams from each of those sports leagues have won championships
>4 states were added to the Union
>3 US Presidents died while in office, 1 was impeached & 1 resigned
>Soviet Union forms...and falls
>Every current MLB ballpark has since been built
>The Red Sox began, and ended, their curse
>The Boy Scouts were founded
>Pluto became the ninth planet...and then had the planet label revoked
>The moving assembly line is introduced
>League of Nations was founded...and eventually replaced by the United Nations
>First World Cup is played
Does anybody really believe that Alex Gordon is worth the 4yrs/$72mil? I know he's had a couple good season and came through with some clutch hits in the playoffs, but $18mil a yr seems a bit hefty for someone, who, in my opinion, falls under the "first round picks that didn't pan out" category.
>Some people actually believe KGJ didn't deserve the 1st ballot
you have to be batshit crazy to actually believe that he doesn't. those 3 people were probably voting for the glut of players who need the support to stay on.
>One of the people that didn't vote for Jr voted for Jason Kendall
Everyone's overpaid this offseason. But yeah, he's probably one of the worst.
I get he is aging but what makes you say that he is the worst? They(the Royals) are bringing up some talent from their farm to help cover slack from Gordon's age that will be apparent in the back half of the contract. While this is the highest contract the Royals have given it helps Moore set precedent for the 2017-18 FA when he will need to try to keep as much of the core of the team as possible. With the power dup of the infield's contracts up in 18, Moose and Hoss, Moore and the Glass family have some choices to make
He and all the other roiders should but they won't because the baseball writers are the most moralizing faggots in the history of existence. They treat baseball like a fucking religion and anyone who dares to taint its image should be burned at the stake.
It's funny that KC was willing to dish out their biggest contract to fucking GORDON. I understand he was drafted by KC but man I really don't think this was a wise signing. It might have had something to do with management attempting to preserve the same team that won a championship.
If he puts up high numbers between now and then maybe, but not likely
Wasn't pizza man always big? When I was a kid I remember him being fucking large and not really fluctuating in size. Idk I'm not saying he didn't roid but I think it's unfair to base it off his size.
Such a shame Manny never gets in but realistically it's not surprising. How can you get caught twice for cheating and expect to be in the HOF. Pudge is a tough one. He was linked to PED but never caught.
It was pretty bad. Not even talking about the popular antics like the cut off debacle. Watch his AB's when he played for LAD. You'd be hard pressed to find an AB in which he looked like he was actually trying. And the hair. Motherfuck that guy now that I'm thinking about it again.
To my knowledge, Pudge was only linked through Canseco's book. And Canseco's book was meant to promote the use of steroids, so it's likely he was just trying to drop as many big name players that he could, whether they were guilty or not.
Pudge probably has a much higher chance than Manny, but that's just my opinion
They'll probably have to apologize for that within the next couple of days. Feminists are crazy. The A-Rod juice that one of the Rays affiliates did last summer was hilarious though.
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. is not even the best baseball player from his hometown of 4000 people
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. is a slightly better version of Andruw Jones
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. did steroids and his body could not even handle them by the time he turned 30
reminder that Barry Bonds achieved well over double the WAR of Ken Griffey Jr.
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. does not deserve 100% of the votes, especially since not even any of the actual goats (ruth, mays, williams, musial etc.) got that
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. had equal WAR as Kevin Brown, a man who got knocked off the ballot after his first year on it
reminder that Ken Griffey Jr. was literally a liability to his team for a decade
I hope not, if only becuase I want more international players to succeed in the MLB. >>64740490
Yeah, I'd put him in the bullpen to start out, instead of throwing him into the starting rotation.
Not realizing the dbags paid for a season he'll never replicate since he's closer to a 2.7 ERA pitcher who's already 32
Greinke will make more money by Labor Day then is guaranteed over maedas entire 8 year contract
>No you are
>Let me just ignore the other half of his post
Also faggot, heres your disappointment
Literally their best player since 2006
He was the #1 overall pick. They lauded him as the next George Brett. That's all I was saying, but feel free to continue to be ass bothered by it, little girl.
>He was the #1 overall pick.
Is it winter where you live?
>Maeda won't be able to put up a seasons worth of numbers in 8 seasons
>A little over 3 million annually is a risky investment
>Pitchers don't recover from TJS
Friendly reminder that Piazza admitted to using PEDs
Friendly reminder that Gaylord Perry is a confirmed cheater
Friendly reminder that both are in the hall
Friendly reminder that any MUH ROIDS arguments against Clemens and Bonds are therefore invalid
I played with him in high school. But yeah, I am a Yanks fan
>It's hard to be humble
No or you'd need to add one to every guy's stats.
Ruth and all the guys of his era played in babby parks against shitty pitchers and shitty fielders without ever having to face a black guy. You could put asterisks on every one of their records.
Mays, Aaron, Mantle, etc. all used amphetamines. You could put asterisks on their whole careers.
Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax put up their absurd stats with a higher mound and larger strike zone. Asterisks for them.
Steroid era is no different. Everyone was roiding and a handful of guys still stood far above the rest. They're no more deserving of asterisks than anybody else.
i'm sorry, I forgot that it's winter
he is though, 1 win is worth about 7 million these days, gordon will probably put up about 10 WAR over the next 4 seasons. And he's an extremely important part of the royals team
>And the answer is fuck no, r
Yes he is, according to what the averages say about him, he;s actually worth a 5/100 contract
He put up 6 WAR in 2014 and last year he nearly put up 3.5 with an injured groin
YEAH HE WAS 2ND YOU DIPSHIT. DONT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASEBALL? I MEAN, ITS NOT LIKE THE ROYALS HAVE BEEN IRRELAVANT FOR THE PAST 30 YRS. EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THIS
>tfw the vest uniforms will never come back