Why is this not a thing yet? Oh who the hell cares it is now. Thoughts?
The Raiders can't afford a stadium and nobody is going to build a stadium just for the Raiders.
The Rams and possibly the Chargers could fund a stadium so that's why they're the major players in this.
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
Most of that report is wrong. All you have to do is walk the streets of LA to see who the most popular team is
I have not ONCE ever seen anyone wear a rams jersey ever. I've seen more 49er jerseys (in fact I see 49er gear on a daily basis on the Metro) than Rams jerseys
Is this head in sand, you stupid piece of shit?
Bring the Rams or Chargers here. I am excited to see their fans get stabbed by the local pissed off Raider natives
Giants fans get stabbed here routinely
We'll make sure non-Raider fans are going to get fucking rocked
Look at the Laker-Warrior game right now. 100% Laker fans and Warrior fans are getting booed
How does supporting a "franchise" work? Do you support the city or the franchise? If you were from San Diego and supported the Chargers will you still support them if they become the Los Angeles Chargers, or if a new team came to San Diego would you support the new team instead?
>what it should be
Way too fucking close to SF and they used to play in LA anyway
Trouble filling stadium and they are already in Cali anyway
Have a legacy built already and we don't need another fucking Cali team
most of the time you support your local team but since LA is only 100 miles away from SD die hards might still drive into LA to see their charges play
>we dont need another cali team
fuck off you false flagging Idahoan CA neets 3 more teams at the minimum
>I'm going to lose my team because Stan was able to muster up enough bullshit to appease the NFL overlords
Fuck this corrupt system
Teams should be owned by owners and the cities not solely the owners
Because they are just spouting it without proof
If Stan releases the research papers that claim he has apparently 50%+ of the market waiting then he would not even need a owners meeting
NFL likes to do their business in a clean fast matter
The fact that he even called Oakland a viable and potentially bigger market than San Francisco is downright hilarious and false .
If the world was a just world and the NFL wasn't filled with moneywhoring Jews/horrid owners the only team to move to LA would be the Raiders with the NFL helping fund a stadium without making another team play in it. With a second option, although dumb is the raiders/rams moving to LA which would make the Rams basically Jets 2.0 which have no fan majority anywhere in any county except much worse because California is full with state rivalries so odds are Rams fans showing pride in LA and surrounding areas would get stabbed unlike Jets fans in NY/NJ.
But in the unfair world odds are San Diego is going to get screwed out of their chargers a market they already own, the Rams are going to lose any hold on any place they have fans at and instead become a much shittier version of Jets 2.0, and the Raiders LAs real team is going to end up having their stadium collapse on themselves and the NFL pull up records on how the SF 49ers stadium was made to hold 2 different teams if the case ever arises and the raiders are now located in SF and renamed into the California Raiders in an attempt to keep their fanbase in Oakland and LA which will work since the Raiders is the only real team in those markets.
As this image shows. Jets, no fans. That'll be the rams in LA.
with the amount of betting in pro sports now Vegas should get a team just so an NFL office is close to the Strip.
they do have like 2000000 metro area citizens and not a single team other than U.N.LEL.V.
lots of new territory for naming as well
I'd call them the Sinners and align the divisions to be with the Saints
>based Stan opening up his wallet and slapping his dick across Goodell's face
>Shit Louis tears for the forseeable future
>Raiders confirmed shipped off to barcelona because povertyland can't afford a stadium
>mfw my team stays in San Diego
i live in vegas. trust me a sports team wouldnt work here. most people are tourists and they dont want to spend money on sports teams they want to gamble and go clubbing. the only team vegas needs are the rebels bball. most vegans dont go near the strip and wouldnt be about a sports team. we're sin city not sports city. all the money we needs comes from tourists
Ha no we aren't
I'm a actual resident of Las Vegas
I cheer for the Dodgers , lakers , raiders and soon our NHL team if it all works out.
We don't want a NFL team here because it would not work , not for another 10 years at least . A basketball team and NHL team would do just fine
Dodgers are too popular here to allow a MLB team to just spring up and Broncos/Raiders/Cowboys/Cardinals have the largest fanbase here .
So is there any chance any of these teams move to a city other than LA?
>RamFags believe this
The most people wore a cap back in the day, at the very least. Rams never seriously advertised themselves whereas the raiders were a brand.
I lived in San Bernardino in 89-96
Rams weren't as popular as the raiders especially when NWA's popularity peaked but I won't lie and say they didn't have fans because they sure did.
The problem is they were so horribly managed you couldn't tell if they were tying to even advertise their image. I expect the same thing again.
When I was 10, my dad took me to a sports apparel store (in Louisiana) to get me a saints jersey but they didn't have any for some reason, but they did have a Mark Brunell jersey and I got that instead just so I could own a jersey lmao
Which is why I said one team. I knew at the very least, only the Raiders would find success in LA. The Chargers were already a small market team to begin with will only become more irrelevant and the Rams might have a following but it'll be eclipsed by the Raiders. It's stupid and these men are rich enough that they should know a bad business deal when they see it.
Raiders and Rams would seriously profit from it especially when the younger and part of the older generation would love a raiders team while the older generation would love the Rams back
Chargers do not have a fanbase which confuses me on why spanos would even bother to come here
you have a AAA baseball team and you had a AA hockey team a while back
I thought locals hated the tourist infested casinos and wanted something non gambling to do. That said I can understand not wanting to see a baseball game when it is 120 outside
>Raiders/Niners games twice a year
How many people die in the first five years?
The thing about the landscape of LA sports is way different than it was in the 80s. LA fans will always love sports, on top of the fact that there's 18 million people.
For example Hockey is a fucking meme in this city followed only by transplants and hipsters and the Kings and Ducks still get middle of the pack attendance wheras a team like Winnipeg has to sell out their whole fucking city just to get the same numbers.
Also the landscape for sports is changing. The Lakers are being run into the garbage can and could bad for a long time unless they strike gold in the lottery this year. The Clippers are perennial one-and-dones. The Dodgers are losing their stars, and the Angels have been a relative failure.
The fervor of having the NFL back in LA could sweep up a huge amount of casuals and bandwagoners who are losing interest in other sport, especially after Kobe retires.
Any chance of the Seahawks going back to the AFC if the Raiders/Chargers move?
>Raider/Seahawk rivalry reignites
>get to play chicken parm twice a year, assuming he'll still be playing
>cardiac arrest games playing against smeth again
I want this to happen senpai
Dude, the sources are cited right there
Why can't you fucking read?
Here are the two LA times Polls
The CSL and CRA Study are also in public record.
Now, where are the stats refuting the Rams application?
You've never ran a business have you?
Anyone can fudge online polls, but the eye test and facebook proves that the Raiders belong in Los Angeles
And nice linking the CSL and CRA studies. I bet they don't even exist
Any kind of study that says Oakland is a viable market should be thrown away. I've been to East Oakland. It's not a vibrant area of activity
I have real life and real experiences to back me up. Not to mention this
Now shut the fuck up you stupid Rams shill. The Kroenke report has been thoroughly been debunked
LA Raider fans remind me of Seattle Sonics fans trying to take the Sacramento Kings. The same tone. The same references to facebook and random bleacher report references.
Are all West Coast sports fans like this? You guys know how the real world works, right? Money talks, and the Kroenke report is the most detailed and thought out application of the 3 submitted.
Let it go, the Raiders are most likely not coming back to LA. In fact, they've been relatively silent relative to the Chargers and Rams. That speaks volumes.
Ok, show me the capitalization reports.
You've only "debunked" if you can call it that one aspect of the report.
Show me the Carson capitalization reports. Show me their projections.
In fact you can't even find the Chargers and Raiders application in the public record yet. So you're basically talking out of your ass
Every single thing in the Rams application has been sourced. Show me your counter sources.
>LA Raider fans remind me of Seattle Sonics fans trying to take the Sacramento Kings. The same tone. The same references to facebook and random bleacher report references.
this makes no sense
The difference for one is the raiders never changed their name , have championships and his fanbase larger than just the cities they played in.
First of all calm down amigo los Rams still have a shot at going to LA. Sounding like a shill there
And do I really need to put a source that debunks Oakland being a better economic city to host a team than San Francisco? Or the other main debunk that said 51% of LA football fans want the Rams when it was just a measly 2000 voters on Twitter
Come on dude wake up the Rams are in full desperation mode and I'm not even a fan of any of the teams I just happen to be in the crossfire
You have no sources neither
I don't have to google "Oakland financially" and "San Francisco financially"
The report had two major points
Oakland can host a city better than San Francisco which is false
And that 51% of la residents wanted the Rams
Rams are losing this battle , the owner knows it and will pull a al davis because he can . Why you are so upset is the bigger question to me either stan's pockets are big enough to hire desperate shitposter or you are one of the idiots that hasn't been following the situations and bought ram gear in preparation for nothing
Okay so you got nothing to back up your claims while mine are found within seconds of a Google search
Thanks for playing hope to see you wearing charger/raider hear on opening day next year
Page 67 - in 2008, the Oakland metro division made up 45.2% of San Francisco's MSA's metro economy, while the San Francisco side made up 54.8%
In 2014, the Oakland side only made up 42.3% of the SF MSA economy while SF's side made up 57.7%
So I agree with the other dude - how is OAK better? It took me 5 seconds on google to find this
He's right. Of the 3 teams the Rams have the least incentive to move, most of all being that St. Louis has a new stadium plan in place and it would violate league bylaws to move a team in that situation.
If the Rams move it will be a case of Stan doing it because he's rich enough that he can, and could still pull an Al Davis and sue the league if they try to stop him (which the should).
See page 86
I think the more important statistic is this
Growth rates 2010-2012
San Francisco-Oakland: 3.8% growth (ranked 36)
San Diego: 2.4% (ranked 94)
St. Louis: 1.5% (ranked 168th)
Los Angeles: 2.1% (ranked 125th)
But the report is misleading when they were making the comparison of SF and OAK when it should've been between OAK vs. SD vs. STL, by which OAK would still by far be the fastest grower compared to SD and STL
SF-OAK is growing faster than both STL and SD while already having a larger economy. I think that's what the report was trying to get at, albeit worded really poorly.
Still though, the Raiders should move back to LA because all that economic growth would probably mean more 49er corporate sponorship than the Raiders
Do Raider fans really want Yuppie bandwagoners?
I just hope when they get good, if they stay in Oakland 10 yuppies get stabbed every game while checking their portfolio on their smartphone by Raul and Julio.
The fact that Kroenke released this http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf
Means he's pretty confident in going to LA. You can't come back from that.
you're talking to the wrong guy here>>64723589
Yups financed the new niner stadium under the deal that they would include more luxury boxes and literally appeared for two home games
>teams should be owned by the owners and cities
This desu. I'm a Cowboys fan and it sucks having the biggest scumbag in the NFL having complete power over your team. I like how Green Bay does it, where you can buy stock in the team. That's how it needs to be for every team.
You know there's absolutely no way the Rams are moving to LA, right?
Everyone knows that the Chargers and Raiders are ahead in voting and have the better plan. STL is literally throwing their GDP at the Rams while Oakland and SD are letting their teams go.
It's going to set a bad precedent if the NFL starts rejecting public money
>Chargers and Raiders ... have the better plan.
>being this much of a dumbass
Inglewood thoroughly kicks Carson's ass when looked at purely as stadium plans. Carson's literally supposed to be built on a waste dump while Inglewood is in a much more desirable location and shovel-ready right now. Literally only St. Louisans and Dean Spanos think the Carson stadium is even close.
Rams fan here and I hope you're right. The logical solution is the Rams stay in St. Louis with a new stadium, and Kroenke collects rent from the Raiders or Chargers out in Inglewood.
The wild card is that Stan is rich enough to do whatever the fuck he wants, and he could move the Rams despite NFL objections and then pull an Al Davis and sue the league.
tl:dr - I don't know what'll happen with the Rams at this point. Money trumps logic so anything could happen.
>>64722594 and >>64722754
Kroenke is desperate and everyone knows it
> However, as long reported, the Carson project is much, much closer, with probably around 18-20 votes. Rams owner Stan Kroenke has had enough votes to block, but that could change between now and an actual vote, with pressure mounting to get this situation resolved and a majority favoring the other project.
Doesn't mean anything if Kroenke is approved to go or not
He's relying on
1) Twitter; and
2) OAK is a better market than SF (LOL!)
He isn't even a factor in the LA Market anymore. I'll commit suicide on cam if the Rams move to LA
Vegas here, we're in the process of building a new AAA stadium in the rich part of town and moving the team out of the hood.
yeah unless there's a concert or to go to work us local avoid the strip like the plague. it's cool for a first date thing but we gamble in bars and off strip casinos where there's a higher payout because their are less machines in the building.
that team is going to be a disaster, the MGM-AEG has no parking, they fucking expect people to park at the New York New York or the Monte Carlo and once they start charging for parking it's going to be a bloodbath.
The Rams are going to LA whether you like it or not.
If the league doesn't approve (which won't happen) he'll pull an Al Davis and go anyway, blowing Shit Louis the fuck out in the process
This is exactly the kind of retardation that gets me mad. LA once had 2 teams, but both left because LA is a meme city.
Any non-expansion football team would join the rest of LA's stolen franchises.
You may get the Chargers by virtue of them being the most poorly ran organization in the NFL, not because you deserve one.
>implying anyone in LA gives a shit about the angels
Absolutely no one here considers the Angels an LA team. The fact that have to leech off LA's name shows how shitty and irrelevant they and Orange County are. They should be named the Anaheim Angels.
>>Absolutely no one here considers the Angels an LA team.
by definition they are a LA team and they have some fans in long beach but not many.
They are called a LA team because they represented LA in their origins and now represent the nicer side of LA.
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim , Los Angeles , California
What can they say?
"Well golly gee guess what guys we're going back to LA , maybe , possibly ,most likely and I know it will affect some of you while for(cont)"
"the others it will be business as usual. Go Raiders"
Holy shit actually I just noticed something
they retweeted two LA things , the bowl win and howie long.
because the Raiders don't hate their existing fanbase in their current city, they just don't want to share a stadium with the A's.
rest assured the Chargers are going to scrub themselves of everything connecting them to San Diego, the team name, the colors the retired numbers none of that is making the trip up North.
and well the Rams, Kronke did everything but add riot photos and meth head mugshots in his propose bashing STL.
>Also the landscape for sports is changing. The Lakers are being run into the garbage can and could bad for a long time unless they strike gold in the lottery this year. The Clippers are perennial one-and-dones. The Dodgers are losing their stars, and the Angels have been a relative failure.
How long until LA realizes that it's getting shit teams and loses interest in them?
When I took a road trip to St. Louis a few years back (to watch the Saints) I didn't see a single shred of evidence that the St. Louis Rams were even a real life team until I literally stepped foot into the Edward Jones Dome. Stayed with family about 2 hours out in Carbondale, IL. All Bears/Colts country, yet theres a team fucking 2 hours out. Sad.
>St. Louis Is Not A Three Professional Team Market
Nah. Seattle/SF and Seattle/Arizona are two budding rivalries that I can't see the NFL willing to pluck away that easily. If anyone I can see the Rams going AFC, as a kek to remind them of their failures and to try and build a "Battle of Missouri" Series to boost interest
It also doesn't help that their Dome looks like a freaking warehouse up close. Ive been to several road games and EJD stands out distinctly as being the least distinct stadium ever.
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I clearly remember the LA Rams when I was a kid. They left when I was 8.
Although I hate the Raiders, dislike the Chargers, and hold no hate for the Rams... I don't think the Rams need LA. St. Louis is a sports city more than capable of hosting them.
The Raiders can stay in Chokeland though. Fuck those thugs. It was their team to begin with.
It should probably be the Chargers. They're the only ones that 'need' LA. DESU, I just want to be able to watch my team live more (Patriots).
>Many of the NFL's most influential owners, including some on the league's Los Angeles Relocation committee, continue to have reservations about the Raiders' inclusion in the joint project with the Chargers in Carson, Calif. Their concerns over the strength of the Raiders' ownership group could result in no teams getting approval to move to LA in 2016, ownership sources said. Furthermore, multiple ownership sources said that the odds of a move happening to LA next year would be significantly higher if the Chargers were either moving by themselves, or if they were paired with the Rams.
>Other owners have doubts about whether or not Raiders owner Mark Davis has the acumen to build a strong franchise in a two-team LA market, sources said. And, given that organization's repeated moves under former owner Al Davis and the controversy that ensued -- including suing the league -- there remains a backlash to the Raiders going back to LA. Mark Davis is a polarizing figure, and as popular as Chargers owner Dean Spanos is among his cohorts, Davis is not held in as much esteem. Some owners believe it makes much more sense for the return to LA to begin with one team rather than two.
>Finding a way to get Spanos and Rams owner Stan Kroenke together is viewed as the best-case scenario for a two-team LA market, and although consideration hurdles exist, it may not be impossible if a vote is pushed back to 2017.
>Oakland is also looked at, despite its substantial stadium woes, as a better locale for NFL football given the overall strength of the Bay Area, and Davis, desperate to get out of his current stadium and lacking options, is seen as more malleable by NFL brass and owners to other options, which could potentially include a move to St. Louis should the Chargers and Rams end up going to Los Angeles together.
I live in the county East of San Diego. On one level, I cheer for the Chargers because I'm part of the third generation of my family to do so. On another, I do because San Diego is my home away from home. I grew up vacationing there with my family, went to college there, and even lived there for a few years. I feel a loyalty to it. I cheer for the Chargers because their calling SD home makes geographically my "local" team. The thing is, I've been going to Chargers games and Padres games since I was a kid, and the biggest reinforcement of my disliking of LA (other than the city itself) is every fan of an LA team who has talked shit about San Diego teams. Just in my life, I have endured decades of shittalking that has reinforced a resentment of the city, its teams, and the fans of those teams. Now the team abandoning the city it has called home for all but one year, as well as fans who more than anyone else have defended its against the slander of Los Angelinos, and taking it of all places to the city of those who on the whole have ever only shit on it may or may not be enough to justify an end to my otherwise lifelong fandom, but even polls out of LA demonstrate that the Chargers in any capacity are the last fucking team Los Angelinos want moving to LA. So this argument on the owners part that potentially alienating 75% of fans is justified to preserve 25% just demonstrates what a completely stupid fuck he is, and I say that as an admitted part of that 25% that doesn't live in SD. Because of the betrayal of the loyalty that we the lean number of Chargers die hards have given as well as the betrayal of its home, I would not be able to continue supporting an organization that demonstrates such a clear lack of loyalty. Because of that, were another team to move to SD, I would maintain my loyalty to that city, and reward betrayal with betrayal and cheer for it instead. For the time being though, I'd probably just settle for cheering against the Chargers.
the absolute sexiest jerseys of all time
>Final cleanup OKd at Carson site where Chargers, Raiders want stadium
It's OK bro. Chicago has been raping LA teams in every sport for a while now, next year will be no different. U can live vicariously as a bears and bulls fan
>Stan Kroenke - I have more money than Spanos and Davis, and am begging to spend it building a goddamn spectacle of a facility in LA which will generate more money than Carson ever could that'll go directly to your pockets.
>Dean Spanos - Uh...I've been trying to get a stadium built for 14 years, even though the Mayor is busting his ass right now trying to get one built and there is a citizens initiative that could get one built if his falls through. The city just won't bend over and give me everything I want, but my stadium still tends to be full of fans...of the other team.
>Mark Davis - My stadium is a dump, but Raider fans fill it up regularly regardless. I would prefer to stay in Oakland as I've told anyone who asks me.
No way you say. :^)
You know Mark Davis is lying, right? Everyone knows he wants to return to LA to make the Raiders a global brand. They aren't in Oakland.
Most NFL players and fans associate the Raiders with LA already. Even if the Rams and Chargers move to LA, the Raiders will always be LA's team.
Location is not relevant to make a team a global brand in the NFL. Winning makes you a global brand. Look at the Packers and the Patriots. Who the hell knows where Green Bay and New England are?
What are the chances of Kroenke selling the Rams if he can't move to LA?
Is an owner who doesn't hate his city or fanbase too much to ask for?
>Everyone knows he wants to return to LA to make the Raiders a global brand.
You have everyone on record for this? You have anyone on record for this? What I've heard about Davis is that he drive's his minivan, and gets his haircut at the same hole in the wall, and takes his players to strip clubs because he's a real ass nigga. Real ass niggas don't play head games. They tell it like it is. Want to see who plays games like what you're saying? This fuck right here. Who says in rare perfectly controlled and planned out statements that he'd love to stay in SD, but that the city government hasn't been able to do enough to keep them. Davis on the other hand tells fans, and calls into radio stations, and sideline reporters while not on camera that he wants to stay in Oakland more than anything. That doesn't seem like a guy practicing some guile. Just a guy speaking from the heart.
Also, of course the Raiders will always be LA's team. that doesn't mean Davis would prefer to go back over staying in Oakland. Contrary to the general opinion of people who live in LA, a lot of folks hate Los Angeles, and would really prefer not to live there. It's not an odd opinion to hold.
>>Is an owner who doesn't hate his city or fanbase too much to ask for?
I just don't know, anon.
I feel your pain Chargerbro.
But for my own survival, I must root against you. Please take our place. Your team isn't even moving out of the state.
Why are they filing for relocation if he wants more than anything to stay where he is? That doesn't make any kind of sense.
CYA Later DINDUs
I'm fine with the Cardinals and Blues. GTFO my city niggers
>That doesn't make any kind of sense.
It does when you consider one primarily speaks via a special counsel who has literally made a career doing damage control, while the other is a goofy fuck who just talks to anyone who'd listen.
At the end of the day they both have a valid claim that they need a new stadium. Relocation may very well be the only way to get one. Mark Davis just seems to be the one who legitimately wishes he could get on in LA. Dean Spanos is an incompetent fuck who wants more money and is saying what he is told to say to get it. I'm a Chargers fan, but the side of Mark Davis that I've come to see out of this whole endeavor has really made me consider becoming a Raider fan if they move.
>Mark Davis just seems to be the one who legitimately wishes he could get on in LA.
Mark Davis just wants a stadium.
He really wishes he could get one in Oakland but neither nor Oakland can pay for that and that's why he partnered up with Spanos on the Carson proposal.
Spanos and Kroenke are the ones who actually want to go to LA.
Kroenke wants the second largest market to increase the value of his Rams, that's why nothing St. Louis does matters to him and he isn't afraid to burn that bridge.
Spanos considers LA his territory and doesn't want to lose it to another team, despite LA not really caring about the Chargers and that's why he wants to go to LA.
It doesn't have to make sense, it has to make money.
>mfw coming home
>After a long day of NFL committee meetings in New York Wednesday, it’s becoming clearer the side more likely to garner the 24 votes is the Chargers and Raiders Carson bid.
>For varying reasons.
>A significant group of owners empathize with Spanos’ long-time fight to secure a new stadium deal in San Diego, which has gone nowhere for more than 14 years. And for some owners, being able to solve the Chargers stadium situation and the Raiders dire stadium issues in Oakland with one single – and California – swoop has great appeal.
>Barring an outright win, the hand Kroenke will play is a negotiated outcome in which all three owners leave Houston satisfied with the end game. More specifically, the Rams bringing on either the Chargers or Raiders as a 50/50 equity partner in Inglewood, and some sort of consideration given to the third team to help them secure a new stadium somewhere.
>According to sources, the most likely end-game to that scenario is the Chargers and Rams teaming up in Inglewood.
in short LA raider fans weep while oakland raider fans cheer
personally I really want to see rams and raiders, battle of LA was the greatest showdown between two host cities ever.
What will end up happening is, and I am sad to say this because I want the chargers to stay in SD and the Rams to stay in STL, but its gonna be Rams in Inglewood, with Chargers. Raiders are going to get a new stadium thrown at them by St Louis. And the carousel continues.
Missouri resident and Rams fan here.
>St. Louis Raiders
T-this just sounds weird. I just don't know. If anything it would send the KC cucks across the state into a tizzy. They already hate the baseball Cardinals for no other logical reason than jealousy.
lease o.co one last year and sell part of the team to move to SD or somewhere in california.
he played/plays with the idea of moving outside of California but that would kill the raiders.
Fans of the raiders are country wide but nearly all of them are in California and moving the team outside California with the team is a slap to the face. Mark isn't stupid he knows that well.
Tell me why the Bay Area (population 2.5 million million) needs 2 NFL teams?
The Bay Area is smaller than Dallas, Philadelphia and Chicago and they don't have 2 teams
Unlike most other metro areas, most people in the Bay Area tend not to have families on the account of being gay or being a loser tech nerd
Pros: It's in Los Angeles
Cons: It's located in a toxic waste dump
>City of Champions Stadium
Pros: It's in Los Angeles
Cons: There could be riots in St. Louis if they move
>National Car Rental Field
Pros: It's not that shithole dome
Cons: It's not in Los Angeles
Chicago used to have two teams. However, Chicago fans are fiercely loyal to the Bears, the same way they are to the Cubs, so a football version of the White Sox would likely also be put down in fucking Bridgeport and be summarily ignored by the entire city.
>Pros: It's in Los Angeles
>National Car Rental Field
Is that really the name of the STL stadium?
>Ghetto = White Sox
White Sox is the team for the city
Cubs are the people outside of new york
not even up for debate this is fact , cubs have been looked at as the second class fanbase they are since forver
outside of chicago
midway I was going to make a comparison on how mets are for the city of nyc and jersey but the yankees are for the entire state
well same shit sox are chicago and chicago is sox
Yes, the North Side is full of redneck hicks from backwards ass places like Lincoln Park and Sox fans are from the bastions of wealth, status and economic success known as Canaryville and Back of the Yards.
>Mets for the city
No. It's Yankee majority everywhere, even in Queens. They have 60 years on the Mets.
Cubs were just the lovable losers even though before 2005 the Sox lost just as much
Cubs fans= homosexuals and famous people, AKA people who don't know shit about baseball
White Sox fans = union workers too poor to afford cubs tickets and stereotypical "poh-lish sah-suge" polacks and Italians.
I say this as a cubs fan who hates both fanbases equally.
Polish people live mostly to the northwest and like the Cubs. Sox fans are mostly niggers on welfare, dirty spics, and the ten white people who live on 35th street that haven't figured out that the rest of their kind moved out of the South Side decades ago
>Everyone in the Bay Area is a 49ers fan
No not everybody
When raiders are good everyone in the bay area is a raider fan
when raiders are bad everyone is a niner fan , terry crews put it best
"It was the raiders that threaten my family but now I hear its them niner fans that are doing it"
Not calling raider fans fairweather because they are anything but , bay area has as many fairweather fans as SD and the only reason why the 49ers haven't moved outside of the bay area was because some silicon valley investors thought football would be a good investment so they financed a stadium that had more luxury boxes than almost all the stadiums out now.
Had they(those silicon valley people) never stepped in I promise you the 49ers would be known as the Sacramento 49ers
Most reports favor Carson and the Raiders/Chargers
Most fans know this already. Everyone but the owners and some media members think its not going to work out this way
Also, I understand what you mean by white sox fans being from Chicago, because there are probably more out of state cubs fans than in state fans. There are also a lot of Cubs fans that are Packers fans, so they're fair weather faggots a lot of the time.
That said, the typical white sox fan is the exact kind of homer that you see rooting for the bears and bulls who inflate minor/above average players to godlike status like Deng, Hester, Paul Konerko, etc. I hate that I share the same fanbase as these terrible memers.
Except Inglewood has gained significant momentum over the last few days, and many reports are now favoring Rams or Rams/Chargers. Plus Jewke has far and away the deepest pockets to make this happen, and he won't OK anything but the Inglewood project.
>they have made little to no changes in staff at all
>their recent signings have been a bust
>their draft picks consist of their first pick being good and all 6 others being dogshit and leaving or traded away
>go into LA as a weak team with a coach that only has the merit of going through the same situation with Houston to Tennessee
>still mediocre coach
>team still in shambles
>most likely 7-9 or 6-10 next year
>the worst mangament in football
>drafts picks are almost always a bust
>coaching staff is complete dog shit
>players are getting older and when you have a team that is almost all veterans with maybe 4 young players(either in first or second string) you get the 2015 Colts season
>Owner just wants money and will focus more on advertising the team than fixing it
>on the upside for the first time in a decade
>young star QB
>young star LB
>young star WR
>coaching staff got their shit together and the new coaches actually prevented a regress of the younger players overall(teams with mainly rookies that switch coaches after the first year regress horribly, especially qbs)
>GM finally got the dead money out the way
>Drafts picks are actually good from first(Mack) to 6th round(murray)
>team looking much better than ever
the whole LA loves winners is partially true. Yes LA loves winners but LA is also patient(ie dodgers and lakers)
You already have the fanbase , the team essentially and now all you need is the approval.
I believe the raiders are by far the best choice to move.
Reminder that 3/4ths (26) of the NFL's 32 owners have to approve any sort of relocation move, and Irsay was against the Inglewood plan BEFORE Kroenke proposed moving the combine to Los Angeles.
Only 9 owners need to disapprove of the plan for it to not happen, and we already know of one.
>Irsay was against the Inglewood plan BEFORE Kroenke proposed moving the combine to Los Angeles.
this is funny to be honest
Stan is pretty much telling the league "yeah this stadium will be able to host every fucking event possible and I will make sure of it"
I'm sure he is regretting that since irsay is pretty influential despite being a complete fuck up
He wants to take the draft too, which will probably lose the votes of McCaskey, Mara/Tisch, and Johnson.
He's already pissed off potentially 4 of the 9 needed to block off his stadium.
Which is why Kroenke is now shilling for Spanos to ditch Davis and come to Inglewood. Spanos has more pull in those meetings than Davis does, so stealing him could shift the veto votes to the Rams' side.
That may be true for many other NFL decisions, but for relocation all that matters is money and what the 32 owners think.
If 99% of the fans disapprove of sending the Patriots to buttfuck nowhere in Alaska but 28 of the 32 owners approve it, those niggas are moving.
which wouldn't work
Spanos breaking off with mark would be seen as a despicable action even for the owners. It would also mean he loses his connections to bob iger who in turn has connections to practically every businessman in los angeles. Losing someone influential like that is not something you can just ignore.
Then how the fans would perceive it would be another thing , good or bad for any side who knows.
Spanos also grew up alongside davis , both their fathers knew each other very well and I believe the chargers are owned by the spanos family because Al davis helped them aquire it iirc.
San Diego and Oakland are moving.
St Louis is staying.
Also, Rams owner is a flaming faggot
It can certainly happen but they have not picked what team(s) will be moving to the city.
LA can support 4 even 5 teams , the city and the area is that large but 3 honestly is the best
the problem is two of the three teams are sharing a staduim
If you could have the Raiders in long beach , Chargers in Santa Monica and squeeze the Ram in Anaheim then LA would never have a problem ever again
NBC will probably go to chargers since mark davis saw first hand how they treated his father
Fox will go to rams and CBS goes to the raiders
plus local stations for the respective towns
>The ones that punked L.A. out of a team last expansion
>implying LA wants a expansion
yeah and look how that expansion is working out
like complete dog shit I'll tell you because you texas niggers need a year to think
Now if you don't mind let us enjoy the fact that three teams , two historic , want to move to our city while nobody gives a shit about texas in sports.
Isn't the real villain in all this Oakland?
>do nothing to keep the Raiders
>give a finger to the NFL when they ask for a plan
>still keep team anyways
What kind of bullshit is that anyways? Is there no justice in the world? STL and SD at least have plans, even if they aren't viable. Oakland does not
How many times have to Raiders been in the playoffs since 2002?
How many times have to Raiders been in the playoffs since 2002?
Now, go look how many times the Texans have been in the playoffs since 2002
Enjoy yourself with your illusions
Oakland is the puppet
Athletics is the mastermind pulling the strings
I love baseball but I am not a A fan. A's have tried to block every single advancement for the raiders
in turn raiders returned the favor on the A's
>How many times have to Raiders been in the playoffs since 2002?
>How many times have to Raiders been in the playoffs since 2002?
jeez you texas fags really are stupid , repeating yourself is not healthy
>Now, go look how many times the Texans have been in the playoffs since 2002
With how many bowl appearances again?
>>>being this much butthurt
reverse butthurt doesn't work on me
first of all
rams have one bowl win and appeared in the playoffs until 04
Raiders have 3(three) bowl wins, one in LA one more than Houston
Raiders have appeared in the bowl in my lifetime
Texans have not appeared in the bowl in your lifetime
now go ahead and switch sides to the cowboys , its typical with houston fans
>do nothing to keep the Raiders
Oakland doesn't have the funds to do anything to keep the Raiders, their hands are tied. It's not like they're being defiant about the Raiders stadium situation, they have nothing to bring to the table.
>give a finger to the NFL when they ask for a plan
That's also not what happened either. Oakland just chose not to blow smoke up the NFL's ass when everyone knows they don't have anything to offer.
San Diego's plan relies on a vote that's unlikely to pass and St. Louis's plan is total bullshit and won't get the funds promised.
Nobody deserves a football team and I didn't say Oakland should keep the team.
But if they do keep the team it'll be because Mark Davis has no other options.
The Rams should be the only team moving to LA but Spanos is going to force his way to LA because he's an idiot.
Mark Davis is just the smallest of the small fries and that's the reason the Raiders will end up staying in Oakland for the time being.
How many have those teams been in the Superbowl in your lifetime? None. Because you're a butthurt 12 year old.
Nice strawman too. I was never waving my dick as a Texan fan.
I was pointing out what an autistic dumb ass you were thinking three teams are going to move to L.A.
This is a good little write up in the L.A. times.
I find it funny that the owners might be leading more towards the Chargers than the Raiders because they don't want a gangsta team back in L.A.
BRING THE RAIDERS BACK TO LA!
SILVER AND BLACK, ESE!
Literally the only way the Raiders go to LA is if the Carson Landfill Stadium passes. Every other scenario results in Stan moving the Rams and since Stan isn't a moron, he wouldn't risk losing LA's TV market by bringing in the Raiders.
Cities don't matter at the NFL Owners' meeting. Owners do. Stan wants LA and the only thing keeping him from it is 3/4 of the league saying they'd prefer an objectively worse stadium plan.
nigga he's the biggest STL shill in journalism. Look at his history, he doesn't know jack
>he doesn't know jack
I would tend to agree with you on the cardinals reporting but this is relocation is a different beast
NFL is allowing reporters from BLEACHER REPORT to actually listen in the conversations
they are allowing people to just go in , tell others what they heard and run with it.
so far nobody has said anything extremely outragous like all three teams moving but the fact is
raiders-chargers looks like it is going through
raiders are seen as a bad idea all while a godsend due to their existing fanbase
Rams and Chargers is a wishful possibility but would also ruin NFL's relationship with STL
then you got STL coming out with their own report debunking stan's claim that STL is not viable for a team
carson having more support
oakland being a viable and better market than SF being debunked
the whole 50+% of LA residents want rams when it was twitter poll renamed ESPN LA debunking
It just does not look good for stan
How many ways can you be wrong here? Where do you come to the conclusion when a radio host in st louis, a clearly biased guy who has been proven wrong time and time again. Case in point, his Eric grubman interview a few weeks ago in which grubman called him out on his emotional arguments. A good rule of thumb to follow is who has the money. Kroenke has it and by NFL standards, Davis and Spanos dont. Furthermore, Inglewood is shovel ready tomorrow, Carson's designs aren't even complete, and even when they are it would take upwards of a year to remediate the toxic waste dump in which the land sits. You're speculating on Carson getting more votes which doesn't matter if they can't get to 24, which they can't. Finally, there was no debunking of Kroenke's document at all. Sure, the mayor was upset, doesn't mean that STL is a viable region and his response lacked any real specifics about what Kroenke actually said, it just hurt his feelings. And also, you didn't even address the fact the CVC reneged on its original lease agreement in 1995. That's kind of a big deal.
>who has the money. Kroenke has it and by NFL standards, Davis and Spanos dont
You're right on paper it looks like stan has the deeper pockets but
>Furthermore, Inglewood is shovel ready tomorrow, Carson's designs aren't even complete, and even when they are it would take upwards of a year to remediate the toxic waste dump in which the land sits
Slow and steady wins the race
Let Kroenke pull a Al Davis
>You're speculating on Carson getting more votes which doesn't matter if they can't get to 24, which they can't.
reporters are..reporting..that the carson plan is getting more steam as time goes on
Carson has big money backing , big name backing(bob iger and some other LA businessmen iirc) , and soon the most support by the league.
Stan burned bridges with the city of STL , and the league proclaiming to host a multitude of events with his new stadium which obviously wouldn't sit well, I would imagine ,with one of the members of the LA committee irsay.
> STL is a viable region and his response lacked any real specifics about what Kroenke actually said, it just hurt his feelings.
Just like how Oakland is not a viable market which stan did say is a market much more viable now than San Fransisco
>you didn't even address the fact the CVC reneged on its original lease agreement in 1995. That's kind of a big deal.
That is stan and STL's problem not mine.
Tell stan I said hi btw.
Radio host out of SD had some info yesterday. Says his source is a guy who works out of a Sacramento lobbying firm that is working with Kroenke
>Kroenke pissed because the inclusion of Bob Iger into the Carson plan is superseding everything he's done. Iger is who the owners care about more than Kroenke, Spanos, or Davis
>The information contained within the document, or Kroenke's decision to release of the document (which I believe is the one that shit's on SL) earlier this week upset some of the ownership and stacked the deck against himself.
>The League is going to find a way to keep the Raider's in Oakland because they believe what with the boom coming from Silicon Valley as well as the diversity of the Bay Area that it is a strong enough market to support two teams, and they really don't want them back in LA.
>This would leave the Chargers to take the LA pie for themselves. The suggestion is that Iger would pay the $550 Million relocation fee for the Chargers, which would entitle him to a purchase of 51% ownership of the Chargers franchise.
>The assertion is that Owners aren't shutting the book on Kroenke, but want him to work with Iger. If the two can come to an agreement to work together, and Kroenke can pay Spanos to lose interest in LA, it'd be his for the taking.
>What matters most to the League right now however is that when this is all decided Bob Iger is a part of bringing the NFL back to LA.
If you'd like to hear for yourself, jump to 6:04 here
>they believe what with the boom coming from Silicon Valley as well as the diversity of the Bay Area that it is a strong enough market to support two teams
the league is out of touch of they believe this
investors in silicon don't care about the raiders , they saw the 49ers as a international brand when in reality it is only popular in California and surrounding states. They stopped going to niner games ages ago and would never associate with the raider image.
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It's important to note about 20 #NFL owners in favor of #Chargers & Carson. Roughly 10 are solid with #Rams, Inglewood AND against #Raiders
Is there any doubt the Raiders are NOT coming home now?
will continue to play games in stadium with literal rivers of shit flowing through the stands
will the al davis demon possess his son and will he move to the la coliseum anyway?
No one learned their lessons apparently. Here we are again, only this time even worse because of how closely tied property value has become with the tech sector.
This one will be a fucking doozy
>If the League vows to help Davis get a new stadium in Oakland
but the league can vow whatever they want, its oakland that has refused to give any money to any of their sports teams and i just don't see davis spending his own 700million+ for a new stadium.
And I get that. But if they don't want the Raiders in LA, or continuing to try moving to LA, the simplest way to keep them in Oakland is to come up with G4 Fund shenanigans, dump whatever they need to in Oakland to get a new stadium built, make this the last "new" stadium built of this generation, and kick dealing the precedent of not demanding public contributions down the road for the future commissioner of the League and its ownership to deal with.
>Taxpayer money is used to build a stadium for a corporation for its exclusively private use and private profits
Honestly cant wait until our economy goes up in flames.
Al Davis sued the League into letting him move out of LA, and there are almost certainly going to be lawsuits that come out of this vote if someone doesn't wind up getting paid to stay where they are. With the Colts, I don't profess to have read up on it in detail, but I was under the impression that the only illicit facet of that move was the middle of the night exodus out of Baltimore that no one had expected. I don't it ever being spoken of as something forced or done against the League in a manner similar to that which Al Davis became notorious for.
Listen, I get that. If the League wants the Raiders to stay in Oakland though because more than anything they don't want them back in LA, the only other way I see them achieving that is forcing Davis to sell the team to someone wealthy enough to build their own stadium in Oakland, and that seems more unlikely to me than a one time exception to the rule of loaning more to the least wealthy owner in the League, and most tying strings to their doing so.
If the league starts loaning owners and cities money to build new stadiums, you know that every city is going to start asking for that, right? It's such a dangerous precedent that it goes beyond all logic and could potentially kill the NFL
thus why I said
>make this the last "new" stadium built of this generation, and kick dealing the precedent of not demanding public contributions down the road for the future commissioner of the League and its ownership to deal with.
The owners might be out of touch, but I think each of them has noticed the tide turning, and people no longer being willing to dump taxpayer dollars into an investment that only benefits them. I can see them accepting having gotten away with 31, and accepting the 32nd as a cost, and accepting that the way things have been will not be the way things will be in the future.
I disagree. Not only do you hear people already talking about teams moving to San Diego or St Louis if the Chargers or Rams move, but even Johnson and Mara said that if you are going to send two teams, send them together, because staggering them would be problematic. If a team goes to LA, the only other team that would be able to go and not be condemned to second fiddle status would be the Raiders, and I'd like to believe the owners know this.
All they're stating is what Steinberg said, plus I don't think that's true, based off of facebook at least
>Bring Back the LA Raiders Facebook
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>>Taxpayer money is used to build a stadium for a corporation for its exclusively private use and private profits
Los Angeles is not your typical city
they don't cuck themselves over a football team because they know they can survive without one
NFL on the other hand pretends like they don't need LA but lets be honest
who wouldn't want the second biggest TV market in the nation? They have been trying to get back to LA since the rams and raiders left but have failed repeatedly
>NFL on the other hand pretends like they don't need LA but lets be honest
you do realize that the NFL has grown into a 10+ billion business while there hasn't been a team in LA, right?
and they haven't been trying to get back to LA either. they've been using moving to LA for years to scare teams into ponying up money for stadiums for teams.
and if kroenke has started having such a hissy fit this year there still wouldn't be a team moving there.
>Only around 30% are from the city of Oakland
that's because season ticket prices are > than the average yearly salary for 70% of people that live in oakland.
and i don't think the raiders take food stamps.
Saw a game in stank louis over 10 years ago on a road trip to watch my team roll into town in beat them.
Damn that stadium is an unmemorable shit hole...and this was 10 years ago.
Their new stadium plans look like shit and impossible to get funding for.
Not like anyone in the town will miss them though.
There's not much the NFL can do if stan just decides to move the team. He can strong arm them.
The NFL as an entire organization is relatively week, they just project an image of strength.
Sure, they could take Stan to court, but they potentially could lose and it be a public shit show for them. Even if they win, it would be dragged out and they'd already be in L.A.
>you're half right
The Dome has always been a craphole. It's a converted convention center ffs. The Rams still sold out every game their first decade in town. Only after constant losing and threats of relocation start to happen is when attendance waned. The team has made a profit every year so Kroenke is full of shit on his economic outlook and two-team city claim.
The new stadium plans look pretty sweet and they do have funding for it. Not sure what you're smoking there.
Not him, but I already posted SD radio reporting from a pro-Kroenke source saying the same thing, but acknowledging the Chargers as most likely to go, unless Kroenke pulls out his check book and starts talking with Iger.
They do not have the funding. They are relying on a 100 million from the NFL which does not exist, plus money from the stan, which he will not pay, PLUS state wide money that will not be approved by anyone despite some local alderman or some shit voting for it himself and saying it's now legally binding that missouri give him 1 billion dollars.
>Is Spanos really under the delusion that fans from San Diego are gonna drive to LA
i really don't think spanos gives a fuck what the fans from San Diego do
He really seems to hate them
Real talk, St. Louis folks:
A.) Is the city, as a whole, really going to miss the Rams that much, either from an emotional or financial standpoint, especially since the Cardinals are consistently at or near the top of the National League Standings and have a gorgeous stadium in the middle of the downtown area
B.) Are you really going to miss the Rams all that much?
>About 30 minutes later the 1090 got him on the phone and he did a 180 on this tweet explaining that earlier in the day people from the relocation committee were saying that a deal was being worked out between Rams owner Stan Kroenke and Chargers owner Dean Spanos, but that since tweeting that out, he had talked to people in the Chargers' camp that told him "absolutely not. We are all in on the Carson site." The full audio can be found here.
Looks like raiders stays in oakland
I don't live in LA, bakersfield here but now I got to drive north to watch the raiders play in the hellhole they call home for another few years until the new stadium is built..again
fuck my life
Kronke is leave whether the League votes him to or not.
That fucker didn't spend all that money on the land and the construction to not have at team there.
The Chargers are currently doing back door dealings to get out of that Carson stadium and get with the Rams.
That leaves the Raiders. The league hates the Raiders because of Al Davis and despite the fact that out of all those teams, the Raiders need a stadium more than anyone, the League refuses to help and Oakland doesn't want to make them a stadium.
>those ugly as fuck late 90s/early 00s dark colors
Rams moving to LA will only be worth it if they go back to pic related
If it isn't, it'll be a disgrace for the NFL and all teams involved.
At least, in their eyes.
If it isn't settled next week then that doesn't mean no one's moving to LA, it just means the move is delayed a year and we'll be back here next year.
>that feel when your team can just up and fucking leave you one day because your city didn't give some asshole billionaire exactly what he wanted
Word is that both proposals have the 9 votes to block the other.
So, if things get locked up and no one(Spanos) wants to compromise it could end up dragging on for another year.
The league and all 3 teams would hate for that to happen though and they'll avoid it if they can.
the league prevents that type of relocation ever since the colts did it
Now you got to up and leave slowly otherwise your organization will be bought off and sold to some other rich asshole billionaire
well word is Kroenke will move anyways even if the league blocks it, which will almost definitely trigger a drawn out huge legal battle in the courts a la Al Davis vs the NFL, only this time we have social media and nonstop ESPN.
>Didn't the Mexican gang members
To be COMPLETELY honest
I truly believe every single hispanic gang drove nigs out by force
then normal hispanics drove nigs out mentally
I am completely serious because I've lived in gardena for years , before that in florence.
I honestly believe mexicans are out here to help us out.
Replacing one group of scum for another isn't "helping out" anon, it's just progress. Just count yourself lucky they hated each other more than they were willing to see whiteys as a common foe.
>jets are nowhere to be found
I was thinking the same thing. There's that troll pasta about cali teams, but Florida gets 3 teams... One of which is a joke and another i occasionally forget exists. And two MLB teams nobody gives a shit about, one with the worst stadium in baseball.
>I honestly believe mexicans are out here to help us out.
Are you retarded?
I mean, at least the black gang members were stupid and short sighted which lead to a lot of in fighting, keeping them mostly in check and away from civilized society.
The Mexicans are just going to do the same to you when they have the numbers.
Mexicans drove blacks out because they have an entire country of reinforcements. Black people literally have no immigrant populous to extract from, unless you count the very small amount of Africans that come here
Rams fans are all old and/or corny. The young hip people the NFL wants are all raiders fans. And nobody is a chargers fan. Knowing how.things go.though its gonna be the rams and the chargers coming to la
I think there's a huge racial element in not allowing the Raiders back in LA. Oakland and the Bay Area is mostly white and they wanna keep white supremacy while LA is mostly non White and international, even though most Raider fans are non-white
Chargers or Raiders moving makes sense because they are getting no support from their cities. Rams moving is only even talked about because their owner just wants to be in a better market. The NFL guidelines don't allow teams to move just because they feel like it, but Kronke is so rich that the other owners will probably just give him what he wants.
Sucks that a decent NFL market can do everything right and still have their team taken from them.
>Sucks that a decent NFL market can do everything right and still have their team taken from them
>Riot, Flood, and Meth City
>implying Shit Louis didn't steal them first
Nice meme :)
Clearly he isn't from LA. It's the same argument that out of towners use about LA all the time, that a city of 18 million people just doesn't care about pro football.
Probably a butthurt St Louis resident
isn't it funny the rams have moved everytime after that particular city has had a race riot?
>mfw butthurt shit louis rasm fans break into Kroenke's businesses, ensuing a city-wide riot
All the floods, meth, and dindus didn't stop STL from putting together a stadium plan that BTFO OAK and SD. Rams fans are just unlucky that their owner is the richest of the 3 that want to go to LA.
I live right next to Compton, and I can tell you that along with gang hostilities, just the difference in cultures is what drove blacks away. Older Mexicans don't speak English, and are pretty racist against blacks. In general, they don't like to associate with them at all. The younger generation is more tolerant, since gang banging is not really "cool" anymore.
>All the floods, meth, and dindus didn't stop STL from putting together a stadium plan that BTFO OAK and SD.
It's easy to put together a plan when you're so desperate to keep your team that you make shit up.
Their funding plan counts on state money that they're never going to get and an extra $100 million from the NFL.
The only reason LA had any teams is because owners thought it would be a great market for football. Turned out it wasn't
Ever wonder why all these teams applying for LA now moved from there in the first place? It's because Cali is mostly Mexicans and black people, your dominate sports are going to be baseball and basketball.
History might be repeating itself.
Ok so I live in stl, been a Rams fan since the move. Before that didn't really root for any particular team. Since Stan released his manifesto trashing stl I'm thinking he's taking the Rams back to LA regardless and that's fine. So now my question is do I go back to not having a team to root for? Do I follow the Rams to LA? Do I make a roll thread and pick a random team? Or do I just stop watching the nfl bc it's practically organized crime? Plz help :..(