>>64689643 Cam is going to win. Cam Should win. Cam earned the MVP and it's not even close. If you think the quarerback with the best stats should be the MVP every year then you are retarded. It's Most VALUABLE Player. Cam has contributed the most to his team's season this year. That's why he is going to win. Accept it you faggot
>>64689940 even if they would have lost all of those really close games, as long as cam didn't fail the team, like the defense failed them, Cam would still be in the MVP running. He was the most important player on the field everytime the panthers offense went down the field
Cam Newton is not the same quarterback that he was after the victory in Green Bay. Maybe it was his receivers actually catching the fucking ball (Devin Funchess) or Cam Newton just hit that elite switch but its crazy how much he has improved from one half of the season to the other.
First Half of the season Completion percentage-53.85 Yards-1820 Touchdowns (pass and rush)-17 interceptions-9
2nd half Completion percentage-67.24 yards-2,663 touchdowns-26 interceptions-1 I know Kirk Cousins and Russell Wilson have improved from the first half of the season to the 2nd half but nobody mentions how much Cam Newton has evolved before our very eyes. As a Panther fan it is very exciting to see our franchise quarterback take the next step but he has blown away expectations.
Cam is very deserving of MVP because he practically guarantees a first down on 3rd and short situations and first and goal. He is extremely versatile in his ability to exploit the weakness of the defense and making them pay for it.
>>64690586 The Patriots and Panthers both played the NFC East and AFC south. The only difference is that Carolina played Seattle and Green bay and New England played Denver and Pittsburgh. New England lost to Miami, New York, Philadelphia and Denver. Carolina only lost to Atlanta. You play who you are scheduled to play. Carolina simply played more consistent.
>>64690723 >Brady had a better year No he didn't Cam has 45 touchdowns and brady has 39. He couldn't even score against the dolphins >on a worse team seriously this is debatable. New England has had a top 6 defense this year. Hell, Brandon Lafell started on the panthers. He isn't even the 4th option on that team. >This is a fact No it's not. Patsfags being obnoxious cucks is a fact. Enjoy losing in Denver while brady breaks his leg. All the while Seattle or Carolina go to the super bowl.
>>64690787 >Le cake schedule man Can you niggers at least try to read. I already explained this shit. Carolina and New England both play the AFC south and NFC East. They play their division games. Carolina plays Seattle and Green Bay and New England plays Pittsburgh and Denver. They both play very similar schedules yet Carolina has the better record. >le carried by defense man Peyton may have been carried by Denver's defense but Cam has not. Carolina is second in the league in scoring. You can't be carried by the defense if you're putting points on the board consistently. (30 points a game) Please take your ass back to reddit. only they use le like a retard.
>>64690842 >more picks >lost more fumbles >against worse opposition >seriously trying to make the dolphins game a big deal when Brady was hurt >I mean seriously youre trying to say he played a horrible game and didnt pad his stats at all and despite that hes still better than Cam so it should be a big black mark against him
And no, worse team is not debatable. The Panthers defense is much better to begin with, and the Pats were wrecked by injuries. Maybe if the Pats offense is healthy you can try and make that argument but otherwise gtfo
God damn you Panther fans are stupid. One good year and all of a sudden you crawl out of the woodwork.
>>64689643 Cam should win Wilson had more help. When Kelvin Benjamin tore his ACL earlier this year I was sure the panthers were dead but Cam carried the team. Without Cam the panthers are a lottery pick team the seahawks would probably still make the playoffs without Wilson.
>>64691400 how do you not understand that the MVP award is not the award for best QB. It's the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. That does not mean best QB. Cam is the most valuable player for his team. You can't be this stupid
Cam. Wilson has had a solid team since day 1 and gets all the credit. Cam at least had to endure the shit years and finally made a great season. Wilson wouldn't be shit without the Seahawks stacked roster senpai.
>>64691107 False equivalency argument. A lot of Steve Young's games were coming off the bench to help Montana, so he didn't legitimately get to be the man until deep into his career and Montana moved on.
>>64689855 Carolina could've gone 15-1 (or better) with like 10 different QBs. If they didn't have Josh Norman or Kuechly there's MAYBE 1 or 2 other guys that could replace each of them. You can argue that Brady deserve the MVP, but Cam isn't even the most important player on his own team.
>>64696862 Their records are pretty similar as well, given your liberal sense of similarity. And since record is a team achievement, while individual stats are a personal achievement, we shall agree and give the edge to Brady, based wholly on your considerations.
>Earl Thomas >Kam Chancellor >Richard Sherman >Bobby Wagner >Michael Bennet >Marshawn Lynch >Jimmy Graham >Thomas Rawls >Tyler Locket
Wilson is on a stacked team and has arguably the best defense in the league (it's only competition being Denver). Xirattle fans talk about Carolina's D as if it's good. New Orleans, New York scored 30+ on them. Cam and the offense (literally compose of himself and Olsen) are the only thing that will keep the team competitive in the playoffs.
>>64689643 Well, if you selec just the stats that make Wilson look better, I guess Wilson.
If you look at what Wilson meant to his team this year, and what Newton meant to his team this year, and decide who was more valuable, it's gotta be Newton.
This takes nothing away from the accomplishment that Wilson had, turning his team around and getting them into the playoffs. But what Newton has done with his Who receivers and his leadership of his team is phenomenal.
>>64690586 >records don't matter >instead you have to determine strength of schedule, which is done by looking at the records... that is, the records of the teams, not the record of... I mean... I guess we need to factor in the records of the teams played by the team with the good record I want to discount... >Wait, I am stupid and my premise makes no sense
>>64690895 Yeah he likes running sneaks at the 1 unlike most QBs. >>64695556 Young playing with Tampa for a min also doesn't help that. >>64691204 His rushing touchdowns are mostly just him being greedy at the goaline where other QBs hand off or throw fades.
>>64689643 I fucking despise Cam Newton to the point that I'd kneecap his ass if I ever saw him irl.
That said, there's literally no one else in the league who comes close to meaning as much to his team and as in individual in shaping the current team standings as him. You take him out, Carolina might win five games, and the entire playoff picture would be different. Love or hate him, you can't deny the influence his play has had.
Brady had the award wrapped up at midseason and let it slip through his fingers. Any argument for Brady was deflated as soon as the Pats lost 4 of 6 to close the season. He also failed to tie the record for most seasons with 5000+ passing yards.
>>64702214 I have carwfully looked at the record of the Cowboys this season, and at no point were they 12-4. So you are doing what we call "Making Shit Up." What might have maybe happened possibly if what actually happened didn't happen is a fun game, it is not a compelling argument.
Is Romo valuable to the Cowboys? Sure. Did he earn MVP by getting injurred and not playing on a team that did not make the playoffs? Don;pt be silly. Fuck, I didn't start at QB for any NFL team this year, and I am pretty confident any team I might have started on would have gone 0-16. That does not make me MVP.
>>64696084 >that is the stupidest argument ever Seriously stupidest? that is the equivalent of fo shizzle my nizzle being a word. least intelligent would have been far better to use acquaint your distaste of my argument. >Total yards This is a meme state. You can pass for 400 more yards but if you score less then that means nothing. Yards have never won games. Points have. >total touchdowns Cam has 6 more points which is the most important stat. This has correlated with Cam Newton winning more games. That and Cam has less garbage time stats then Brady. Cam has been taken out of 4th quarter several times this year. Hell against Atlanta he was taken out 2 minutes left of the third. >turnovers Brady has 6 less but Carolina has the least amount of points scored on them on turnovers which lessens the blow. >Completion another meme stat. Cam's first 8 games he is 53.85. his next 8 games he is 67.24. Cam is not the same player he was his first 8 games. This could be because his targets actually catch the ball since they are responsible for more then half of his interceptions.
>>64702255 You know I meant the previous season, don't play dumb.
And you provided the inverse example. Saying you would make the team worse by playing, that is not valuable. Valuable is you make your team better just by being there, which Romo having 75% of Dallas' wins while only playing 4 games is it.
>>64702109 >His rushing touchdowns are mostly just him being greedy at the goaline where other QBs hand off or throw fades. >This nigga serious? He is about the most sure thing at the goal line in the league. He is a football player. They want to win. If it means him plowing through linebackers like nigger dick plows your mum then he will plow.
>>64689643 Neither of them is Carson Palmer. The Tardinals fell off a cliff without him last year
>>64702386 It wasn't just him, they were doing alright with Gronk and Amendola, but when both of them also went down it was a shit-show, even after they came back. Belichick didn't want to break their knees even more with a postseason berth already on lock, and they got limited snaps, leaving LaDrop and Martin to do the heavy lifting. Also, without Blount and Lewis the running game went to shit, and the O line was in such shambles by that point that even if both of them had avoided injury they would have been effectively nullified by rushing defenders ignoring the unathletic fucks that are supposedly there to block. I never thought I'd miss Vollemer and Solder this much.
As a Panther fan, I think Cam's been one of the best players in the league, but Antonio Brown and maybe even JJ Watt have meant more to their team than Cam has. The record is fantastic, and he's grown exponentially as a passer, but he's played with a fully healthy offense for 14 of the 16 games. I love Cam to death, but I can think of 10 or 15 other quarterbacks who could have just as good records and stats with this team.
Id love to see him win, but I personally think Brown should get it over any of the QBs.
>>64702411 >All I'm saying is if Tom ran his Q sneaks at the goaline as much Cam runs inside the 20 he would have 10 touchdowns too. Could have, would have, should have. He didn't. Cam Newton is one of the best goaline threats in the league because of his rare combination of size, speed, and strength. He usually muscles his way in and is very effective.
>>64702562 >but he's played with a fully healthy offense for 14 of 16 games No he hasn't. Kelvin Benjamin has been out all year. We have also had games where Ryan Kalil, corey brown, ted ginn, jonathan stewart, Jerricho cotchery, Andrew norwell, fozzy whittaker, amini silatolu, Fernando velasco, Stephen hill. This is just the offense. The defense is obviously more banged up but to be the #1 scoring offense with so much inconsistency strengthens Cam Newton's argument as MVP
>>64702592 >Cam Newton is one of the best goaline threats in the league because of his rare combination of size, speed, and strength. Not by a long shot. He's a goalline threat the same way he's a running threat. Defenses can't fully commit to run or pass when he has the ball. That's literally all there is to it. There are plenty of tackles in the NFL who are bigger, stronger, and just as fast, if not faster in the first five yards.
>>64702724 >not by a long shot Yes he is. Only marshawn lynch and Adrian Peterson have more touchdowns in 5 years then Cam Newton. >He's a goalline threat the same way he's a running threat. How is this a bad thing? >Defenses can't fully commit to run or pass when he has the ball That is precisely the greatest strength of a dual quarterback. That was what Ron Rivera talked about when drafting Cam Newton. He can beat you with both his arm and his legs. He is what Colin sackorpick and RGknee couldn't become. That rare breed that is not just a terrific runner but a deadly passer that can make you pay. >That's literally all there is to it. If he couldn't pass then the defenses could just stack the box and keep him from running because they're not afraid of his arm. He can make the throws and run when he feels that he is at an advantage. You can't take that away from him. >There are plenty of tackles in the NFL who are bigger, stronger, and just as fast, if not faster in the first five yards. There may be pass rushers, linebackers, tightends that may be an advantage in those 3 but this is as a runner. He could literally play Tightend, Defensive end, or linebacker if he wanted to and probably be very good at it. He is a great goal line threat because he can literally stretch from the 3 and reach the goalline. He is fast and agile enough to juke players and strong enough to bulldoze his way for extra yards. Watch some panther games and you will all of this. >here is kap getting no respect in the passing game.
>>64702897 Put down the koolaid. >Yes he is. Only marshawn lynch and Adrian Peterson have more touchdowns in 5 years then Cam Newton. So? >How is this a bad thing? Never said it was just trying to show your ignorant ass how he's not some super special mix of physicality that makes him a goalline threat, it's that he's a dual threat qb, period. >That is precisely the greatest strength of a dual quarterback. That was what Ron Rivera talked about when drafting Cam Newton. He can beat you with both his arm and his legs. He is what Colin sackorpick and RGknee couldn't become. That rare breed that is not just a terrific runner but a deadly passer that can make you pay. It's not that rare of a breed. What's rare is being able to do it, and dumb enough to do it because of how it puts your career at risk. That's the reason dual threat qbs aren't popular in the NFL. It has nothing to do with anyone being dumb enough to think that they can't succeed and everything to do with knowing that if you bank on one, your offense can easily be destroyed on any play. Look at the average career of a running back versus that of a qb, and then tell me how it's smart to try to build around someone who might make it 3-5 years. >If he couldn't pass then the defenses could just stack the [snip] You can't take that away from him. Take what away? I specifically mentioned him being dual threat. Fuck me you're retarded. >There may be pass rushers, linebackers, tightends that may be an advantage in those 3 but this is as a runner.[snip]this. ...you know Cam will never return your love, right?
>>64702999 >don't cherry pick. this is exactly what you are doing right now. >Cam is not good inside his own 20 he has done several 80 yard drives this season. 4 against Seattle alone. >55.4% 2 ints 4 sacks considering he has 10 interceptions and 2 of those were in his 20. That doesn't say anything about his stats inside his 20. Hell that whole stat is cherry picking because literally who does stats on QBs in their own 20? Who? >19 runs 3.6 average. I guarantee you that those 19 runs were 3 and 1 or 4th and 1 and cam diving for the first. Seriously cherry picking his stats doesn't tell the story. He has been doing this all year. >Also yeah he is a threat in the redzone with that 2.5 yard average run in the redzone. These are mostly doing a dive over the line. Seriously what is the point of this? He runs or dives for the touchdown. What would you want him to do go 3 in out? pull a Russell and throw a pick? Stewart get stopped at the line? He scored a touchdown running. Seriously this is basically cherry picking to find a needle in a hay stack and criticize a 20 pound hay stack for having a needle.
>>64703079 >So >He is doing something only a few are doing running back wise much less quarterback. Why is this a good thing. Why did you even bother replying? So? Seriously you could have not replied and saved yourself from looking like a dick. >Never said it was just trying to show your ignorant ass how he's not some super special mix of physicality that makes him a goalline threat, it's that he's a dual threat qb, period. Moron they are not mutually exclusive. The greatest strength of a dual threat quarterback is masking your intentions to a defense. Hell, I remember Cam pulling a fumblerooski on Houston his rookie year for a touchdown. They thought he was running but he faked it and the tightend scored. This is what he brings to the table. >It's not that rare of a breed. Moron how many dual threat quarterbacks are still in the league? If you can only run and you don't scare the defense with your arm then you wont be in the league for long. The rest of your argument is tripe because the league runs through quarterbacks like a wet paper towel. Hell, Cleveland has probably went through 20 in 20 years. Elite quarterbacks stay for a long time. Even Michael Vick was in the league and still is. Cam is completely different from Vick because he is a better passer and bigger. >put down the koolaid dude nobodies drinking koolaid. You're just spewing nonsense.
>>64704142 HAHAHA. You can't be more obvious in wanting to slob the Chimp Commander General's knob if you came right out and said it. >Moron they are not mutually exclusive. No, they aren't. In this case, the dual threat is what makes him a goalline threat. The most hilarious thing is you keep saying exactly that, but in different words while thinking it somehow supports your slurping on the coalcock. >>64704142 >Moron how many dual threat quarterbacks are still in the league? Holy fuck, that's the entire point of the post that you're replying to. There's not that many because they get fucking injured and qb is a position that you need continuity in. Further, most players aren't retards and want to maximize their time in the league. >rest of argument is tripe Then why do you keep copying it word for word while putting a retarded spin on it? Let's look at the sentence you thought was somehow intelligent right before this one: >If you can only run and you don't scare the defense with your arm then you wont be in the league for long. IF YOU CAN ONLY RUN YOU ARE NOT A *****DUAL****** THREAT QB. Tell me, do you lick windows because you like the taste of windex?
>>64692984 Wilson >Worst O-Line in the league >Sacked 45 times >Best RB on the team injured for the majority of the year >Second best RB injured for the last 4 games >Jimmy Graham BTFO >Receivers are literally whos
>>64704955 >what stats matter and what don't Dude are you just ignoring my arguments then going full autistic. The game is about putting points on the board and stoping the other team from scoring. Cam Newton has put up more points then Brady. Brady has put up better yards and a higher completion percentage but those stats don't effect the outcome of a game nearly as much. Cam Newton has scored more points. That's the most important statistic. That's like talking to more girls but getting less pussy. It only means something if you achieve the objective.
>>64703909 You showed Kaep struggling inside his 20, I provided Cam's stats in the same situation (they're called splits btw)
80 yard drives are not INSIDE the 20.
No one goes for it that deep unless they are losing.
He was the 31st best running back, that is not an MVP, That's a guy who won't stay in the pocket and is more focused on the highlight reel. That is not sustainable. He WILL get hurt. ALL running QBs breakdown if they want to be the whole offense instead of part of it.
You are just as bad as Pats fans saying "Brady did nothing wrong"
>>64705917 >chimp commander Is the irony of this too much to handle? I have never seen a quarterback get as much dick sucking as tom Brady. Seriously in every thread on sp its about Brady. Even when it has absolutely nothing to do with football. Joe Montana would never have gotten this much dick slurping and he is far superior then Cam and Brady combined.
There aren't even enough elite qbs or even good ones to make it very competitive. Why do you think most teams are hot garbage. Pocket passer or dual threat. Very few qbs workout or last more then 5 years. Hell my favorite QB is Jake delhomme and he fell apart mentally more then physically. He was only in the league for 7 years.
>if you can only run your not a dual threat QB Colin kaepernick and joe Webb can run but are inaccurate and can't read a defense.
You should try bleach. Just drink until your eyes and tongue pop out. You bitch because my QB is black while your qbs wife fucks black dudes on the regular and likes it. The only thing worse then a cuck is a cuck to a cuck.
>>64707172 >points don't matter >only what I say matters matters I'm sick of arguing with patsfags. They are unbearably obnoxious and ignorant. Enjoy Cam Newton winning the MVP while tom Brady tears his acl against Kansas city again.
I could give three shits about dude's race, what I care about is that he's an immature, thieving, piece of shit. That still doesn't have shit to do with my point though. My point is, and shall always be, that he's a goal line threat simply because he's a dual threat. If he weren't so willing to liquify his brain and risk blowing out a knee (hey, RGIII, how's that pro career going? Vick, how are those concussions treating you?), he wouldn't be a goal line threat.
>>64708719 >the wide receiver of the Carolina panthers >not watching the last Time green bay and Minnesota played in the playoffs. When ponder was hurt. He Is also our third string QB and special team ace. Very versatile.
>>64709055 That's like saying tom Brady wouldn't have all those touchdowns if his receivers caught the ball. A stupid and meaningless point. He is tied with Steve young for 43 rushing touchdowns. He is doing something right.
>>64709335 >Peterson honestly if he would have beaten dickersons stats.( he was less then 10 yards from that) then I would agree but his stats aren't good enough. >Romo those cowboys would be 8-8 if he played. It is their destiny. >Brown his stats are crazy for a Wide receiver but if he had 5 touchdowns and 166 yards more he would deserve it without question. >who I think will get it Cam Newton deserves it without question. We wouldn't be 15-1 without him.
>>64709363 >running the wildcat offense expertly >who knew putting a QB number on the running back would work out This person has not watched a Carolina Panthers game all year or any year. Watch a Carolina panthers game and learn a thing or two about football in general. Then you can come back and talk with the grown ups.
Cam has something like 34 total td's with 0 turnovers in the redzone this year. That means when his team gets into scoring position he is money. The place that is hardest to score from because defenses can bunch up and make it harder to score is the place he is at his best. How is that not MVP material? No qb has anything close to that redzone efficiency this season. Hell that is probably one of the greatest redzone stat lines of all time.
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