Solidworks Anybody have a decent link to a torrent for solidworks...

Just go to your universities library and use the computer lab. It usually has it installed.

>>7849042
Jsut get a student liscense or use a freetard alternative. Stop stealing shit just because you can.

>>7849049
Piracy isn't stealing.
>paying for software
lol, cuck

>>7849050
Yes. It is.

I don't pay for software, my institution does.

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>>7849049
student liscence ??? still in college dont have any of that shit...

>>7849050
couldn't have said it better...


PIc related:

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION

>>7849053
No, it isn't

Stealing takes the original without replacement.

Piracy is making a copy of something illegally. Not the same thing.

>>7849056
Yes, it is.

Read the DMCA you retard.

>Stealing takes the original without replacement.
You are stealing money owed to the developer of intellectual property. You are stealing labour done.

>>7849056
when i lawyer up... ill call you up...
also what you are saying is true.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION

link related:

https://archive.org/details/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto

>>7849069
If I copy someone's pie recipe, am I stealing their pie? After all, they're losing business by me baking my own identical pies instead of buying theirs.

>>7849054
Don't use the word freedom you fucking cunt.

The FSF hates people like you. You could be using free as in freedom open source software, but instead you choose to STEAL proprietary software.

>>7849081
If they patent the recipe yes it is.

Why can't you understand the simple concept of intellectual labour?

You understand that stealing grain from a farmers crop is stealing yes? Stealing a valuable intellectual property from a professional developer is the same thing as defined in the law.

>>7849082
You're retarded. Stallman calls it sharing and is mostly okay with it.

free software > shared ("pirated") proprietary software > proprietary software

>>7849081
>what is a patent
very, very bad example

>>7849092
>taking legal advice from a guy who eats his own toejam

>>7849090
>>7849095
So you're telling me that I'm stealing from McDonalds' bottom line by cooking my hamburgers? I'm also illegally hurting Jiffy Lube by changing my own oil, right? Just think of all that lost business!

>>7849092
Stallman does not use ANY proprietary software, including pirated shit.

>>7849109
McDs didn't patent the recipe you're using faggot.

>>7849090
listen anon, intellectual labour is meant to be shared. If it wasn't like that books would be divided by countries and we wouldn't have achieved much... just simply don't forget to give credit to the original company or person

>>>/trash/

None of faggots belong on /sci/ if you think stealing intellectual work in any capacity is okay.

>>7849100
yum, sounds delicious.

>>7849123
But they put so much labor into their supply chain and market research and other infrastructure! That would be unfair to them if I were to put all that effort to waste by cooking my own copies of their food! I crie everytieme :,(

>>7849128
> intellectual labour is meant to be shared.
No it's not, intellectuals need to eat too. If my labour should be given away for free then I should also be allowed to eat for free, given free cars and housing etc. But we aren't commies so respect the law of the land.

>If it wasn't like that books would be divided by countries and we wouldn't have achieved much... just simply don't forget to give credit to the original company or person
Except that's a bullshit argument. Information can still be spread as easily as ever without stealing it, you just need to pay for it, usually you get your money's worth more than the shit you buy at Starbucks.

>>7849147
>implying the intellectuals that wrote that software got shit
>implying it didn't all go into shareholder dividends

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>>7849123
kill yourself

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>>7849049
>hurr durr piracy ish stealing!

I can watch the Eiffel Tower and admire its beauty without buying a camera. Are my eyes pirating the role cameras are intended for?

>>7849138
But that example only makes sense if you make your own version of solidworks

>>7849138
You know, the key to your analogy is your using your OWN recipe and never mentioned breaking into McDs vault and stealing their recipe and ingredients.

See what I'm getting at faggot? Use open source if you actually care about freedom and sharing. But you don't, you just want to be a nigger.

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>>7849049

Get a hold of this paragon of justice.
Pic related, it's you.

>>7849139
top kek

>>7849147
SURE bcs the creators get every single penny of it not some fucking kike on wall street...

>>7849157
No, I'm copying the recipe for solidworks. Just because solidworks is mostly recipe and not much food doesn't make it any different from copying a hamburger recipe.

>>7849159
People reverse engineer food recipes all the time. That's analagous to cracking software. Are those people thieves?

>>7849150
>implying the intellectuals that wrote that software got shit
It's called royalties and if they got a cent less than they deserve that's a cent you stole from them.
>hurr implying it matters if I steal 1 bread from a baker who has 500 breads

>implying it didn't all go into shareholder dividends
Stop pretending you know anything about publishing. The publishing get most of the cake because they're taking the risks and overheads. You're more than welcome to try and publish your own textbook, but then some faggot neckbeards will just steal it anyway and you never get your ROI.

>>7849176
Reverse engineering is galaxies away from cracking.

>>7849178
Yes, and those royalties go to shareholders. The individual employees who actually make the product just get their regular flat salaries.

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>>7849165
You.

Only more nigger like, but I didn't want to have nigger in my search history.

>>7849189

Shut up you little dweeb.

>>7849183
Except it's not, because I'm talking about literal 1:1 copies of recipes that are completely indistinguishable. They're stealing those poor multinationals' business. :'(

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Are anons from /sci actually like this WTF???

Your telling me you have not pirated shit...
not downloaded any movies or you have not watched brazzer porn or pornhub WTF???

Plz anon stop trying to be the police on the internet ... we are the police on the internet... it's our free spot... a place to do what ever we want...

I ask of you kindly to go to Reddit or Tumblr they will understand you

>>7849049
>>7849053
>>7849069
>>7849082
>>7849147
>>7849165
>>7849178
>>7849183

>>7849166
>>7849186
>Hurr why is the baker making most of the profit from my grain :'(

>>7849186
Also this faggot doesn't even understand what royalties fucking are.

Guess I'm arguing with high-school nigs.

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>>7849189
go sucks a internet polices dick you faggot SJW leave to 9fag, reddit or tumblr... fucking SJW's

>>7849168
No, now you're outright stealing a McDonalds burger but leaving the broken door lock so you're arguing you didn't take everything and therefore didn't steal.

>>7849179
So government subsidised farmers should be allowed to become billionares, but fuck researchers for getting a cent more than what you believe they deserve?

>>7849204
>mental gymnastics to make copying publicly available information equivalent to breaking and entering

>>7849186
Royalties by definition are given to the IP holder, in this case we're talking about intellectuals who use other distributors and publishers.

If you develop a product while doing research at a company it is well understand that you will only in extremely rare cases be given IP rights, but in most cases you signed that away to the company.

>>7849193
It's their own labour and their own code. It's legal and it's completely different from stealing code by just breaking the lock.

>>7849217
>If you develop a product while doing research at a company it is well understand that you will only in extremely rare cases be given IP rights, but in most cases you signed that away to the company.
And that justifies respecting corporate IP claims because...

>>7849212
Both are illegal and considred stealing so in that case yes.

>>7849225
But McDonald's has created one of the largest supply chains in the world and performs countless millions of man hours of intellectual labor planning and maintain their business. You wouldn't make them lose a sale, would you? :'(

>>7849227
Because companies support intellectual professionals with a secure, salaried job.

Most people happily signs away their IP rights to have this, since most researchers don't get lucky, but now you're on a team that can support you if you fail.

Thanks for killing STEM as a career by stealing SW, faggot.

>>7849234
That's not a lost sale because it's a different product. Stealing a McDonalds burger is stealing their product losing them a sale.

This really isn't a difficult concept. It's written down in the DMCA in black and white. You can stop using strawman already and just try to argue against the core law, which you can't.

>>7849042

>not using based Inventor

why OP?

>>7849237
>oh no!
>if one more student pirates our software we'll go out of business :'(
>if only it were profitable to develop software
Said absolutely nobody ever. Seriously, your argument is predicated on a false choice between millions of hardworking STEM workers losing their jobs :'( and insane landgrabs that only serve to enrich shareholders and entrench old guard businesses. There are other options.

>>7849249
So you're going with "it's not wrong because I'm only stealing a little!".

Ok.

Just use open source. Faggot.

>>7849049
This. Many software engineers died to create Solidworks. Honour them by paying for the product.
>>7849056
An easy way to work out whether something is good for society or not is to analyze what would happen if everyone did it. If everyone pirated Solidworks then the company would go bust and stop producing it. You can see this happening with the PC game industry, because of /v/s rampant piracy there is just no money in PC games anymore hence PC exclusives have gone downhill in recent years.

>>7849258
No, I'm with the "it's not right for people to claim ownership of ideas." You need to broaden your horizons and look at how IP legislation is being used, who is pushing it into law, and what the historical ramifications on society have been.

>>7849268
>>7849258
>>7849258

ya'll should be using Inventor. Just sayin'.

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>>7849258
you don't seem to get how companies of software like NX and AutoCAD make money
they sell licenses coupled with technical support on a per year basis to companies
a student doesn't use it commercially for large development projects so he will never be part of the potential clients in the first place
companies like Siemens don't give a shit about someone pirating NX to doodle around with it - as long as he doesn't start a company and uses the cracked version for actual commercial venues
that's when they start to actually lose money, and they'll sue you to death if you do this

>>7849287

have you ever used Siemens FEMAP? If so, wat do you thinkings? thinking of upgrading our FE software.

>>7849308
sorry can't help you, the only FE/FEM experience I have is with the fluid dynamics module of Ansys Workbench

>>7849287
>Mac Pros are priced for companies
>Students are not the target market
>Therefore it's okay for a student to rob an Apple store for a Mac Pro
>If you only take one they won't care.
That's how stupid you sound.

>>7849319
>literally what is copying
REPEAT AFTER ME
Copying leaves the original intact.
Stealing takes the original.

>people literally think pirating Solidworks is bad for the company

lol no. Dassault doesn't make its money off students and hobbyists, it makes its money off of engineering firms and other companies.

pirating Solidworks on an individual level actually helps the company by increasing the userbase. its why they give this shit away for free to schools.

>>7849327
I thought this board was supposed to be good at maths. If you copy it then they have lost revenue because you didn't buy it.

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>>7849319
stop pulling false equivalencies out of your ass and actually try to understand the point of my post

we're not talking about a physical product here
we're talking about a software business model that loses exactly zero dollars and zero cents worth of revenue if some random anon pirates it for doodling at his home computer
but holy hell once you install it cracked for any type of commercial use you can be sure their law department will be forcefeeding you court orders and license damage claims in the 6 digit range until you either buy their full software package or go belly up with your company

this is unique in this category of business software, and does in no way apply to something like music or movies, where the average citizen is actually a potential sale

>>7849343
> If you copy it then they have lost no revenue because they only sell to actual companies and not random civilians
ftfy

>>7849318

cool. thanks anon.

>>7849343
The same thing will happen if you make a sandwhich at home instead of buying from subway. You'll be stealing from them because they didn't make a sale. :'(

>>7849342
>le small impact argument
it is still bad and will lead to greater consequences if we don't clamp down. It's like raising a kid. Allow the kid to trash talk you once you may think it was minor but the floodgates have been opened. if we stop caring about piracy then it will get more acceptable to the point where even engineering firms start doing it. They see students being allowed to get away with it so why should they pay?

Anyway this entire thread stinks of immature childish entitlement. You all seem to think you have a right to own Solidworks for some warped reason even though you had zero part in it's development.

>>7849042

I think I have a compromise

If he makes any money making anything he designs with solidworks, then he should go ahead and use some profits to buy the software; otherwise, lets face it, he is just performing software testing and/or wasting his own time and/or learning skills that might get him a job that should be buying the software.

Amirite guise?

btw I just dropped $10 on this guy's CD, he was singing his heart out in the lobby

>>7849358
Anon, you're stealing from my bottom line by not compensating me for my witty replies. Cease and desist at once, and pay me my royalties to which I'm entitled.

>>7849351
Coding an exact replica of a software from scratch isn't stealing. Selling it is if you don't own the rights. Therefore your subway analogy fails because creating a replica is never theft (you are perfectly allowed to draw a picture of Mickey Mouse are you not?) but if it's intellectual property you can't sell it. Solid works is, a sandwich is not.

>>7849358
its not a le small impact argument. its a zero impact and net positive benefit for the company.

>They see students being allowed to get away with it so why should they pay?

>being allowed

if you are a student, dassault fully intends their product to be free for you. they want students to learn on their software first and only. they charge for the student edition because of hobbyists. they give this shit away to schools for fucking free you nimrod.

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>>7849358
>if we stop caring about piracy then it will get more acceptable to the point where even engineering firms start doing it.
this is already a thing and will neither be affected nor changed in any way from the behavior of consumer-level piracy, you're just assuming connections where there are none

another thing, software company secretly love commercial use piracy
all they have to do is set up a honeypot(which they do) and rake in tons of court ordered cash from retard CEOs(which they do) that thought they could get away with using cracked software in their company
it's part of their business, because they can strongarm the caught companies into buying their most expensive software package(which the company probably doesn't need in that excess) if they want to prevent a legal battle

>>7849375
No, it is functionally equivalent since the company experiences the same loss of sale. Thecause of the loss of sale was never transmitted to the company in the first place.

>you are perfectly allowed to draw a picture of Mickey Mouse are you not?
Actually you're not. Mostly thanks to corporate apologists such as yourself.

>>7849398
>No, it is functionally equivalent since the company experiences the same loss of sale.

no they don't

>>7849379
Then what is the point in this thread? Why has OP not just gone to his school computer lab?

>>7849407
because OP is a faggot and too stupid to do something as simple as finding a torrent
he also failed at managing to post his embarassing thread to /r/, where it actually belongs

>>7849407

The point of the thread was the excellent solidworks rendering in OPs post

>>7849404
If I use Inkscape, which is free, instead of paying for Adobe Illustrator, Abobe loses a sale.
If I copy Adobe Illustrator, which is free, instead of paying for Adobe Illustrator, Adobe loses a sale.

QED

OP make sure you get the MasterCam X6 plug in so you can learn how to do CNC tool pathing.

otherwise you are just downloading a really advanced version of minecraft.

>tfw /sci/ is full of engineer fags but there is never a /CADgeneral/.

>>7849383

I can confirm this. The company that I work for was put through this very ordeal. Our office was full of illegal CAD and FE software.

>>7849420
If I don't give a fuck about illustrating and don't download either, Adobe loses a sale... clearly what is important is the relative probabilities of purchase in either case. It's not a binary thing.

I'm of the mind that companies would prefer you pirate their software for hobby projects instead of using and learning a free alternative, because if you're ever employed for that skill then you will want to use their software and your employer will have more reason to buy a license.

>>7849455
That's exactly the point which I'm trying to illustrate. All these people crying over potentially lost sales are completely ignoring that just about everything can be viewed as "a lost sale" for someone somewhere. If I repair my jeans instead of buying new ones, Old Navy loses a sale and therefore I'm stealing from them. If I buy a PlayStation instead of an XBox, Microsoft loses a sale and I'm stealing from them.

At the end of the day it's just jews that want their precious money.

>>7849287
You make a fair point, however, that's why student liscenses are so cheap in the first place, so just buy one, charge it to your grant holder.

>>7849327
>Copying leaves the original intact.
I'd argue differently, it's the same reason check/money fraud and art forgery is illegal. Once you make a copy the original loses some of it's innate value. You can't copy something without harming the original's monetary value.