Tough call. I'd say it depends on context (in some situations I'd say intelligence is simply useful mental capacity). But ability to learn is core to intelligence. That's why we don't call AI that doesn't evolve intelligent.
When I learn something, I try to learn it from the ground up, building it up logically in my head so I understand how each point logically progresses to the next. While most people I think only want to "know" the surface value of something or memorize a formula, I'm always going for the deeper meaning. Therefore it might take me a while to "get" something or learn something, but after that point I feel like I understand it better than most people.
For example, when I got my first job as a cashier, the training was basically just telling you exactly what buttons to press in what order and that was that. I took it upon myself to learn every function of the machine, forming hypotheses on how it might be programmed and guessing and testing different things to see if my hypothesis was correct.
Because of this the first week I was incredibly slow and people thought I was retarded because I didn't "get it". It took me a bit but after the first week I understood it inside and out and when the dumbasses who just pressed the buttons they were told to press couldn't get it to work, or it would "glitch out", I was the only one who could "fix it" because I understood the order of operations the machine would calculate things and thus why it would freeze doing certain transaction orders, or come up with the wrong intended total, etc.
>>7849218 Not true I'd say, some people focus on process and others focus on result. Just because your focus is not in the direction the other person is wanting doesn't mean you're not grasping the information conceptually. Things are quite complex and attempting to understand them completely and in depth means you're straying from the result, but it doesn't mean stupidity.
>>7848647 Been the slowest all my life, and currently a math major keeping decent grades. I just grasp things better under specific conditions that aren't fulfilled most of the time, and so do many "stupid" people.
>>7848647 yeah for example if you're slow to understand how to catch and throw a football properly despite being told what to do, it means you are less intelligent. sure you can study your science and math all you want, but that just means you're a harder worker, not more intelligent.
>>7849463 Sensory information is not all of the information that can be worked with. Generally performing highly on tests yet being insanely clumsy usually means there's a disconnect between body and mind. this doesn't say much about intelligence as a whole in someone. we all have our strengths and weaknesses.
>>7849476 Yes. Intelligence is capacity. Some people will have high capacity that encompasses everything, making them good in everything but great in none, others will have the same amount of capacity just in one or two things, making them brilliant.
I'm unsure there is a clear definition for intelligence. Different people have differently wired brains, and different species do as well. For example: although my dog is being well trained as we speak with active involvement from all caretakers, it never wants to listen to the word "come" when outside. It also likes to get out sometimes, and we live by a main road. This same dog is extremely curious, and has figured out how to open some simple gates, and trick some people into giving it whatever it wants. I love the dog, but the contradictory actions baffle me.
Exactly. In my opinion, it distills down to those who just want to go through the motions and those who want to understand the purpose of those motions. Regardless of occupation, you can find both mentalities.
From my experiences in the life sciences, the 'quick learners' tend to absorb the factual content of material but generally are at a loss when something goes awry, as they tend to do. In the long run, I'll take the slow learners.
I'll answer this question with an example: You say to a class of low level math students, the log of 1 is zero.
One third of the class don't have a clue what the teacher is talking about, review last weeks lesson on powers, then blindly memorize log(1) = 0. They consider themselves to have been slow at grasping the concept.
Another third of the class write down and blindly memorize log(1) = 0 and believe they grasped the concept very quickly
The last third of the class are sat around wondering why log(1) = 0, ask themselves what that actually means then ask themselves why 10 to the power of 0 is apparently equal to one. A few of them deduce that when starting with 10 multiplying by 10 raises the power by one, so conversely dividing by 10 should lower the power by 1, so 10^1 divided by 10 must be 10^0 and this must be equal to 10/10 = 1.
These last students consider themselves to have grasped the concept slowly.
So if you're in the first group I'd say you might be a bit slow or uninterested in what you're being taught. But if you're in the last group you'e probably intelligent. When I was at school and taught Pythagoras I was not happy and didn't consider myself to have learnt anything until I had written a proof for Pythagoras and yeah, that took a lot longer than the idiots who just sat around clapping their hands chanting a^2 + b^2 = c^2
>>7848647 If you "grasp" something which does not help in any sense to learn what you are supposed to learn but gives you negative emotional feedback which stresses you and causes you to under-perform with the task at hand...
In that case "slowness to grasp" is a feature. I would not be surprised if some of the greatest performers in tech related fields have severely underdeveloped ability to make such emotional associations.
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