Hey guys, fa/tg/uy here. I'm going to become a dad soon and I've been reading a lot on vaccines and I'm not sure what to believe or not. What's your opinions on them? How do you feel about the toxins in them, and other Chemicals?
If you really need to ask an anonymous science board about vaccines, then you probably shouldn't vaccinate your children.
We can only hope your offspring die before they pass on their genetic information, and thus that your defective genetics reaches a dead end.
For you, the infinitely small chance that any negative event comes out of vaccinating your children is negligible in comparison to the fragile-x syndrome tier retarded genetics they inherit from you
That's not even remotely hard for me to believe after the whole advertising-based lead debacle. It's no surprise people cut concerns when their social life depends on their income.
Go to google.
If you did so you'll find that yes, there can be negative side effects to vaccines, but they are *very* rare.
You'll also find that the study that linked autism and vaccines has been roundly disproven many, many times.
what about all the never vaxxed that are autistic? and all the studies that prove no correlation,. here is more of a connection with autism and antibiotics in the first 18 months than there is vs vaccines
>Hundreds of years of research in the theory and methods used to find these molecules
>Carried out by Doctors, of all types. Doctors in chemistry, actual medical doctors, etc.
>Years of research for a specific vaccines that cure specific problems
>Carried out my doctors of all types
>Years of testing, as regulated by the laws of the country.
>Carried about by yet more doctors in their fields
>Carefully crafted and mass produced
>By doctors and chemical engineers
To then be brought right to your door so that you and all of us pathetic retards can keep living.
If you don't trust this secure and long as fuck process that brought you the vaccines that your kid will take then just bang your head with a fucking hammer because dead you will be a better parent with better judgement.
>I'm going to become a faggot soon and I've been reading a lot of on calculus and I'm not sure what to believe or not.
Nearly all scientific studies show there is no link between vaccines and autism, then a few hacks and clueless technophobic parents come along with falsified data to deny the usefulness of medical technology that has saved millions of lives. Fuck that.
OP, either learn some basic science and think for yourself or become an hero and prevent the genetic catastrophe that would be your offspring.
You. Do this chart. The whole chart, or whatever parts of the chart the doctors says.
If you happen to live in another country worth living in, they are generally listed on the above wiki page.
Hep A vaccination was not standard for infants when I was born; I had both of those done a few years ago, along with a tetanus booster. I skipped the flu shot a few times, but now I keep up with it.
Question: one of the main points anti-vaxxers are known to make is "If your child is vaccinated then why do you care about how I treat mine?"
What's actually wrong with this? I hear "herd immunity" offered as a response but what does that mean exactly? Is the point that it's vital for the general population to be vaccinated to prevent viruses getting a foothold in the first place?
The person who was at the head of that study was found to have falsified all of his data. He has since lost his credentials and even the Medical Board in Britain (forget the name off-hand) has said that no respectable body will ever support his claims.
I would say that I hope OP doesn't vaccinate his children that way they die quickly but I don't want a return of diseases such as polio (even though they're already beginning to reemerge.)
>here is more of a connection with autism and antibiotics in the first 18 months than there is vs vaccines
Duh Anon. You have to be alive to be diagnosed autistic.
Anyone who needs antiobiotics in their first 18 months, and doesn't get them, likely doesn't live long enough to ever show autistic symptoms
Also, polio was never fully eradicated. There are still a few cases a year, mostly in south Asia and parts of Africa
When something is evidently better (and we talk overwhelming health benefit acknowledged for decades, not Xbone vs PS 4 evidently better) then people will ask you to do the evidently better thing. In the end, the child of some anti-vaxxer will probably make it far enough to breed. Their views will conflict with many people their children might breed with.
All of you dumb fuckers act like vaccines are essential to life. Do you honestly think that without the needled jew in your life you would quickly succumb to some boogey-man disease or another?
>What's your opinions on them? How do you feel about the toxins in them, and other Chemicals?
If you don't vaccinate, you are literally causing the death of the human species.
But, at the end of the day if you're going to follow a movement started by a porn star, then so be it.
Im a dad of two, we got all the scheduled ones except rotavirus and chickenpox both of which are not deactivated vaccines. They are also not particularly helpful considering the low risk of rotavirus and that chickenpox is so tame.
Not only that but the rotavirus one isnt even permanent, you lose the immunity completely after three or so years.
The mmr, tetanus, diptheria, hep a,b,c ones are much more useful and we got those with no problems or autism.
Just do a little bit of research and talk to a few medical professionals for once in your life instead of facebook doctors
I got the swine flu when I was somewhere between 12-16. Never took any flu shots because I find the mercury in it for disinfection superfluous and think it is not worth it, unless you are older / tend to have severe illnesses. Flu sucks and maybe it would be better if more people would vaccinate, but imho the way the pharma here profited from it is wrong.
>he World Health Organization (WHO) announced the global smallpox eradication program in 1967. At that time there were still an estimated 10 to 15 million cases of smallpox a year resulting in two million deaths, millions disfigured, and another 100,000 blinded. Ten years later, after dispersal of 465 million doses of vaccine in 27 countries, the last reported naturally occurring case appeared in Somalia.
And here's some for measles
>Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2014 worldwide.
>During 2000-2014, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 17.1 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.
Not a dad, but I would ask for cut sheets on any recommended vaccine from the doctor ahead of time. Read through them completely. Not all vaccines are created equal. Vaccines designed for multiple use sometimes contain things like mercury or aluminum compounds. Avoid these and ask for single use vaccines that don't have these things. Sure many people will say the small amounts of this stuff can't hurt you, by why take a chance? There's no reason to.
>That whole vaccines and autism thing is a pile of shit.
>The present study provides new epidemiologic evidence showing that African American males receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age or 36 months of age are more likely to receive an autism diagnosis.
Hold up, that study was retracted. Basically just a repeat of the Wakefield study by one of his insane colleagues.
Don't vaccinate your children. You shouldn't produce offspring, and if you do they should not be raised by you.
No but seriously. Look at some anti-vaccine arguments, and think deeply about their validity. If you're still in doubt, literally kill yourself.
The toxins present in vaccines are kind of the point of them. Look, if you don't get your kids vaccinated, not only do you do them a disservice, but also to everyone else around them.
The more people not vaccinated, the more these people are likely to get infected, and this is where it hurts: the more people infected, the more likely is everyone else to also get infected, whether they were vaccinated or not.
If I vaccinate myself for tuberculosis, and then months later proceed to inject myself a lot of highly infected blood, I will get tuberculosis.
Vaccines are not some kind of magic, they work because everyone use them.
I find the dichotomous nature of the vaccine debate so interesting. One side says vaccinate no matter what! Don't ask questions. The other side says vaccines are horrible. Can there be no middle ground? Vaccinate cautiously maybe?
Umm... First I didnt say don't vaccinate. I said educate yourself. If anyone tells you to do something without thinking about it, you'd best slow down and consider the situation at hand. I don't think caring about the quality of the medicines you put in yoir body is out of line at all. And if your doctor tells you that, get a new doctor because he's probably prescribing on commission.
Hey guys, Op here. So I went to my naturopath and she said that I don't need to vaccinate my kids. There are plenty of home remedies that will prevent them from being sick (amber, jade, alkaline water etc) and if they do she can take care of them. Thanks for your opinions guys!
The reason both sides are so vehement is because of the perceived consequences of vaxxing/not vaxxing.
Nothing wrong with being unsure in the face of loud opinions but IMO once you look at the arguments on both sides and the integrity of their evidence, it's clear that vaccines are almost infinitely more likely to help than hurt.
>Nothing wrong with being unsure in the face of loud opinions but IMO once you look at the arguments on both sides and the integrity of their evidence, it's clear that vaccines are almost infinitely more likely to help than hurt.
This is a good point. My concern is that the "vaccine debate" is forcing more people to be dichotomous to the point where we end up pushing for something stupid and cheering it on.
What would be stupid? Mandatory vaccinations (for adults especially). I know that there are tons of studies saying vaccines are great but no matter what the science says, your health is always YOUR decision. That's a fundamental human right. If vaccines are good and people are not getting them, the problem is we need more education. The solution is not to have a government force medicine upon a population, no matter how benevolent we think we are being. Besides the obvious Orwellian nature of that, let me provide a few examples to demonstrate my concerns:
1) The tobacco industry knew smoking caused cancer in like the 50s but they kept pushing it for decades (and lying about it) to turn a profit.
2) The auto industry knew lead in gasoline was fucking up the environment and causing violence in society, but it took years to remove it because, you know money and the cost involved in moving to unleaded gas/cars.
3) Monsanto (and the FDA) has known glyphosate causes diseases like cancer since the 80s but they kept pushing it because it turns a profit.
I don't want a scenario where we figure out some type of vaccine has the potential for harm but there is a financial incentive to publish phony studies and lie about it so some company can continue making a buck, and because it's been made law to receive that medicine. That would be a nightmare scenario and given the history of corporate nonsense, unfortunately the incentive exists. Not saying it's happening now, but the incentive exists.
Fact is, vaccines are not impacting on the single being. If you want to cure cancer with homeopathy, feel free to do it. Die an horrible death and do not bother me anymore.
You get a vaccine-preventable disease and spread it to a child too young to have been vaccinated, or to an immunosupressed patient? I want the right granted by law to sue your pathetic ass and take your children away
That's a straw man. Nobody says vaccinate no matter what.
Reasons not to vaccinate: immunosuppression and live vaccines (e.g. cancer treatment or TNF-alpha inhibitor treatment, etc), history of anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine or vaccine component, immunodeficiency syndrome and live vaccine (Omenn, bruton's, etc).
The problem is that other reasons (toxin load, too many too soon, autism) have absolutely no basis and are usually propagated by people with just enough understanding of medicine to wildly overestimate their ability to critically appraise the source material. It's usually (anecdotally) people with some form of higher education unrelated to medicine or science that are the most obstinate about this.
>What would be stupid? Mandatory vaccinations (for adults especially). I know that there are tons of studies saying vaccines are great but no matter what the science says, your health is always YOUR decision.
Say we discover a cure for (deadly disease 1) but in order for it to work everyone in your society has to take it. If you come into contact with someone who hasn't used the vaccine it no longer works.
Now, what's more important? The survival of society or allowing people to have choices?
>If vaccines are good and people are not getting them, the problem is we need more education.