Can someone explain the cost of a good undergrad STEM/Econ education

>>7789680
UChicago STEM/Econ degrees have one of the highest average ROI's in existence. Don't worry too much about the price tag as long as you plan on working afterwards.

>>7789686
How does one into Ph.D. In UoC?

>>7789725
Go to college at UoC

>>7789725
4.0 GPA at a great undergrad school, 90%+ on subject gre, undergraduate research/supervised studies, great letters of recommendation. Presentations, papers if you are lucky.
Basically you should already know what area you want to work in and be able to pass the quals when you enter a PhD program. Preferably you already have an advisor in mind and you know s/he will be accepting new students so you can immediately begin research

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>>7789680
doing my undergrad at pic related, willing to take any questions

>>7789798
I got accepted EA. Is it worth the cost? I don't think i'll qualify for any aid. (Intended economics and math, 120K-200K bracket) I love what i've seen from research, but I also hear that the grade deflation is brutal.

>>7789805
honestly it's great. social life is lacking, but if you aren't a shut in autist chicago is pretty good. grade deflation is there but professors give chances if you fuck up. I am a math major currently. I'd you enjoy theory I suggest you come. its great for abstraction.

>>7789821
Yeah. Uchicago was my top choice. If I get any aid I'm definitely coming, but I would hate to feel like an economic burden on my parents (I also have a younger brother who'll overlap with me in college).

>>7789680
Go to an in state college, FAFSA, scholarships? I got my BS in Mathematics and Statistics for 29k total.

>>7789821
What's a good top 20 university that you can pick up girls in? As in fruitful social life, culture, etc.

>>7789680
>$70,000 per year makes absolutely no sense.

That's why you only see it in the USA.

>>7789977
I don't understand how the US justifies the cost of higher education.

>>7790596
Rich people's club.

I'd be surprised if there was a single thing about the US that made sense.

>>7789798
>>7789805

I was also accepted EA and will likely be attending.

Do you know anyone who's taken the Honors Analysis course? I have a very advanced background in college level mathematics (taken 7 math classes at a local college, independent study in topology/proofs, co-authorship on a paper, etc), and I'd be interested in taking that course, but I've heard it's incredibly difficult.

>>7789686
>Don't worry too much about the price tag as long as you plan on working afterwards

Let me reword that

>Don't worry too much about the huge debt you will have to carry over your shoulders for an average of 1 - 2 decade.

Or

>Don't worry too much about the poverty that you will inflict on your parents as they attempt to pay it for you

Seriously man, check your fucking privilege.

Anyways, I remember when I had to go to university and I was thinking about going to the US because of 'muh prestige' and 'muh american education' but soon I found out that the university I wanted to go in costed 40k a year.

That was ridiculous so I Immediately forgot about that retarded idea and now I'm going to college for free in a country that makes fucking sense.

Rational part of the world:

>We are a big country
>We need to carry a big economy
>We need professionals to carry that big economy
>Lets allow anyone with talent, intelligence and passion to become the professionals who will boost our economy.

US:

>We are a big country
>We have to carry a big economy
>We will outsource everything to india in order to fuck with the middle class
>All we need are bosses and shit
>Inflate college costs so only the really rich and really stupid (stupid as in people who will swallow that big debt-shaped cock) in.

USA! USA! USA!

>>7790666
You're gonna be my classmate?! I feel like complete shit now. I thought National Merit Scholar, Mensa, and prestigious boarding school was on the upper bound of incoming freshman.

>>7789737
I have everything but the gre subject score. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks.

Honestly, why the fuck do people go to the Ivies for undergrad? It's not that different from going to a state school, except you're going to be in like 250k in debt. For people who prove to be the smartest in their grade, it's a dumb move on their part.

>>7790993
If you are liberal arts then going to Ivy league is the only reliable way to expect employment out of school.

When you apply for a job and you say 'I studied literature' they will see you like a complete moron but if below that is 'at Harvard!' then for some reason they think you are a genius.

>>7791024

Well that just makes them complete retards then. It's basically giving the institute 250k to work at a job that will pay you less than 10% of that per year.

>>7789926
ucla, duke, Berkeley, brown, penn, hopkins

these are all pretty good social wise

>>7790666
don't do it, I had friends who did, they are kicking themselves. life as a freshman is complicated. just take honors calculus like the rest of us. it's just as good

>>7790775

Honestly I have no idea what the average achievement level of incoming freshman is there, but maybe the other anon who goes there can tell us. I mean, considering an ~8% accept rate, it has to be relatively high.

Also I actually didn't get National Merit Semifinalist or whatever, to be honest. I fucked up the writing section on the PSAT for whatever reason. Which is funny, cause I got a 35 on the ACT for English.

Maybe see you on campus, amigo

>>7790993
>>7791024
>>7791066

First of all, the Ivies have more money than God, so if you have any sort of financial difficulty, they'll basically pay your whole education.

https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid

See that big text that says "100% of our students graduate debt-free"?

The only people who pay full tuition at Harvard don't need to worry about having to pay full tuition at Harvard.

Chicago and all of the elite schools give massive financial aid, and you don't have to be dirt poor to get it. If your family makes under about 75k it's basically free. If they make 75-160 it is heavily discounted.

I went to The UofC a long time ago. The education was fantastic and the degree has opened doors for me my entire life. People who think a state school education is the same are just kidding themselves. I went to one of the greatest state universities for grad school, and could see the difference in undergraduate quality every day.

Sure, if you plan to be an accountant or a pharmacist, go to a state school or a mediocre private college like Notre Dame or USC or Boston College, and get your degree. If you want to be educated at the highest level and have a reasonable chance at being one of the worlds elites, you want to go to Chicago, or Harvard, or Amherst, or one of the dozen or so colleges that groom the elite.

>>7791102
>don't do it, I had friends who did, they are kicking themselves

Why's that? Just because it's so much more work?

The only regret I'd have about not taking it is that it prevents me from doing the dual BA/MS program in Math, which is something I'm interested in doing. Thanks for the information though.

>>7791142

>"100% of students graduate debt-free"

that's funny

>>7791142
>Ivy leagues are just harvard

Nice reasoning. However, that is very nice.

>>7791198

It's true?

>>7791200

That's fair. After doing some more research, something like 83% of grads at Princeton are debt-free, and others are relatively similar. The point is, unless your family is filthy rich, going to an Ivy shouldn't be much more expensive than going to a state school.

>>7791235
How do I get into Harvard as a transfer? Had a lot of bullying in high school, but I've really grown and have pulled my GPA in community college up to a 3.8. I'm doing an associates in music and am in general very artistic so I will have a great fine arts supplement. I also have done 2 research projects and have plans for more. I just havent joined any clubs... I dont like clubs...

>>7791325
thats really the shittiest part of american college's addmission criteria in my opinion : If youre not the type of guy that goes to 500000 clubs and has completely perfect grades, youre totally fucked. Even if you start to work your ass out in the last moments simply because you realized you needed a decente future, youre completely wrecked by your past with absolutely 0 chances in getting to a good college

>>7791325
LOL don't even try without perfect grades.

>>7791325
>>7791374

I disagree. The problem isn't that being involved in lots of clubs is weighted more than grades, it's the EVERYONE has good grades. If you have a 4.00 GPA and even if your arts supplement is very good, they have literally thousands of other people exactly like you. The reason clubs and extracurricular involvement end up being a factor is because if they chose based off grades they'd literally be choosing at random. With that said, if you have something else that distinguishes you from other applicants (research projects, underrepresented background, etc), that can also set you apart.

>>7791325

Why Harvard though. You realize they won't give a shit where you went for undergrad?

>>7791438
>You realize they won't give a shit where you went for undergrad?

Who's 'they'? If it's a graduate school, yes they will care if you went to Harvard. If it's a company you want to be hired by, yes they will care if you went to Harvard.

>>7791126
>>7790775
>>7790666
Yo, have any of you received your scarf (bay area)? And, do you know when financial aid packets are released?

>>7791424
Thanks all for the replies. I think my essay could set me apart... I'm planning on using elements of Glass' Einstein on the Beach to compare with progression/education. I've always been a very proficient writer, so I think that's something that could earn me admission. I keep reading admitted students essays and I think I could stand out. Also professors tend to like me a lot since I do engage in discussion and am a diligent student, I help others in the class, etc.

>>7791424
even though, why dont they just rise the standarts and criteria in the tests instead of pressuring people to make "extra curricular" shit ? I mean, do they even realize most of the prodigy motherfuckers who go to these colleges are autistic cunts who have little to no social handling with that kind of shit ?

>>7791459

I definitely can't say anything for sure, and there's no harm in giving it a shot, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. It's a long shot for anybody.

That being said, good luck and I hope it works out for you.

>>7791462
Would say raising standards in testing is a bad idea, there are plenty of prodigious students who get test anxiety or think of answers completely off the wall.

I would go ahead and pay much more attention to essays and hobbies and LoR's. Admit the students with very unique capacities, even if they made C's in math and sciences. The students who are aiming at the unprecedented.

>>7791467
Also, thank you. I know I'll be admitted to UT Austin so I'm not super worried.

Also, we really need to focus on fixing the public education system in the US. It's completely fucked, as much money as we're spending on it, scores/grades haven't really improved since the 70s and 80s.

>>7790596
money need no justification money money money

>>7790993
>Honestly, why the fuck do people go to the Ivies for undergrad?

Networking. You can get a completely worthless degree in Women's Studies, but if you're friends a Rockefeller or Bush or some other Wall Street scion, you're set for life.

>>7791438
>Why Harvard though. You realize they won't give a shit where you went for undergrad?

>Submit application to big name Wall Street company.
>HR guy got an MBA from Harvard
>Sees application says Harvard
>You're instantly hired

It's doesn't exactly always pan out like that, but the Ivy cartel is real.

>>7790706
>check your fucking privilege
Go back to reddit.

>>7790596
Democrats are socialists and they run the majority of state gov and congress. That's why. They keep adding all of these useless departments that raise the cost of maintaining these campuses therefore the tuition needs to be raised in order to compensate losses.

But hey, n-ninety percent tax rates are not bad at all! Free healthcare, anon!

>>7790706
I checked my privilege and found out that I have more privilege than you do. Now what ?

>>7791577
Top fucking kek.

>>7789926
>>7791083
same question regarding europe unis? Please!

>>7791147
>mediocre private college like Notre Dame or USC or Boston College, and get your degree.

Is that the american perception about USC?.... I applied this year for a Phd. in CS, do accepting USC offer could be detrimental for my carrer?. I am interested in making my own bussines or been hired in a big industrial research lab...
>>7791147
>you want to go to Chicago, or Harvard, or Amherst
Also applied for umass.... I thought it was a shit school since is very tiny and in a rural town.

>>7791651
Not UMass.

Amherst College, not UMass. The elite small colleges like Amherst Williams and Swarthmore, the Ivies, the elite non Ivies like Chicago MIT Stanford and Caltech Those are the handful of schools that open all the doors.

>>7791651
Grad school is different. Don't worry

>>7791680
Can Uchicago really compete with those schools or is that just a meme? The school lacks the same prestige/notoriety as its peer institutions for a reason (i'd assume).

>>7791691
(undergrad)

>>7791691
It historically has lacked social prestige. But the academic community has always recognized it as the most intellectual university. The 1000 or so Nobel Prizes don't hurt.

>>7791706
Why has it lacked prestige?

>>7791731
Because it's too young to be an Ivy and isn't in California where the huge fucking population can promote one or two schools to notoriety (read: Stanford).

>>7791737
I see, that would make sense. Amherst is a fantastic college seeing by it's alumni. Jesus Christ the alumni... Better than most Ivies.

>>7791755
I was talking about Uchi, but I guess a similar train of though can apply to most liberal arts colleges (williams, amherst, swarthmore)

>>7791691
it's rank number 4 on us news list of top undergard schools, it had an 8 percent acceptance rate in its early action program this year. id say it can compete

>>7791818
Go outside right now and ask people if they've ever heard of Uchicago. I guarantee you that 70% of people really don't know anything about the school.

>>7791833
well, its not really laymen but employers you need to worry about

It's all about picking a school with a good program you're interested in, not necessarily great overall (then it gets expensive). My school is pretty much average, save international business and chemistry and biochemistry. The chem and biochem major pathway is highly competitive and you have to apply to it and compete for a spot once you're already at the Uni, which with scholarship costs me about $12k (USD) a year, out-of-state.

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>>7789680
What do you mean $70k a year for a good STEM/Econ education? Plenty of good STEM/Econ educations out there are available for less than Chicago. I don't think even Harvard or MIT cost that much.

That being said, your quality of education is a function of how good you are, period. Not on where you go to college. You can get into Chicago, but if you're a total dumbass who can't take advantage of anything there because everything flies over your head, then you'd get a better education at a state university for less.

At the end of the day, names aren't really worth as much as we think they do.

>>7791833
I'm not even American, but UChicago has a very respectable name in academia, especially in mathematics. Note the number of Fields medal recipients in their past/present mathematics faculty: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Chicago_faculty

>>7792052
A good education is always worth something. Putting all you can into community college vs. a place like UChicago will always come up differently, because at a better school you will have better resources and teachers. However, the question is which school is actually 'better'?... some professors don't give a shit about teaching you, others really do, some are mediocre at teaching despite research, others are better at it, etc.

>>7792111
This. Also, a lot of community college professors work their asses off to get a job at a University -- so you could potentially get a better education. I feel for the meme of getting into a good college and spending a bunch money. Should've put in some time at a community college or gone somewhere on scholarship, then transferred to get a degree.

>>7792111
Top tier schools like UChicago are top because of research and research only. You'd find that a lot of the professors don't give a fuck about their teaching and that they don't see you unless you get on their level. Basically, if you aren't good enough to get on their level and engage with them on the one thing they do best i.e. research, your time and experience with them will be just the same as if you spent time around any run down schmuck teaching at a community college.

Basically if you're retarded and go to UChicago, you are basically just at a fancy community college and pay out the ass. If you're actually smart and know what you're there for and not just looking to get in for the name, then it would probably be worth it.

>>7792117
Fell for the meme as well. I figured after my first semester at my uni that I'm pretty much too dumb and helpless to take advantage of any resources here and could've saved $10k a year if I went to GT instead for a similar outcome, or a possibly even better one since GT is supposed to be somewhat vocational and actually care about netting me big bucks.

>>7792168
>Basically if you're retarded and go to UChicago

To be fair, I doubt they admit many retards

But you're right, you shouldn't go just because you think being there will make you smart by osmosis

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If I got Ds in 2 AP classes (don't do homework) but got a 2400 SAT, 36 ACT, and 800s on all SAT II Subject Tests (Math I, Math II, and Physics), will I still be forced to go to a shitty community college? My GPA is > 3.0, but I just want to go to an OK college. Obviously not an Ivie, but yeah. A school like UWash or something.

>>7792177

You can probably get in somewhere okay. A middle-tier state school, probably. Maybe somewhere better if you're really good at writing essays.

Also considering application season is over for seniors, you probably aren't 18 so get off 4chan underage reeeeee etc

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>>7792180
Kek I'm already a senior, and I sent all my applications already. Fingers are crossed. I wrote above average-tier essays that were genuinely unique. I hope they realize that I'll do better in college since I'm not taking bullshit classes like AP Macroeconomics or whatever.

Thanks though.

>>7792177
yeah you can get into a good state school.

>>7792184

Where did you apply sempai?

>>7790706
>tfw alumni connections with billionaires and Nobel Prize winning scientists

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>>7792188
>UT-Austin
>Case Western Reserve
>University of Miami
>GaTech
>Uwash
>University of Michigan
>Rensselaer
>NYU
>UVa

OOS for all of them. GaTech is my dream... but tfw muh failed classes.

>>7790993
I fell for this meme and am going to a community college with plans to transfer.

>tfw taking high school difficulty classes and having everyone ignore your internship requests

At least I'll save two years of debt.

>>7791651
Don't worry. USC is ranked 23 in the US. It's not the greatest college ever but it's pretty good. You also can't ignore it's location and the fact that it's a private uni. You'll have great networking opportunities because of that.

>>7792177
I kinda did this.

Had a 2350 SAT, 800 Math 2 and Phys. and 5s on 11 APs. Catch was I had no meaningful ECs. At all. No work experience either, or leadership because I didn't fucking care about muh student counsuhl or muh soshul service shit in high school. The point is that my applications all banked on those scores essentially and I was hoping for at least someplace respectable.

Ended up getting rejected from just about everywhere. Stuck at a mediocre state school that nobody's heard of, and didn't even get money.

Don't fall for the SAT and ACT meme. Also, take the ACT, its less fucking cancerous especially if English isn't your first language like me. If you want to tilt admissions in your favor, you have to play the normie game.

So let's say you get 2400 and it makes up for your Ds in 2 AP classes, you can still expect your outcome to be like mine since you didn't mention any ECs like me. I'm utterly convinced that admissions, or at the very least money, banks on the quality of ECs.

If there's anything admissions officers in the US of A hate, it's people with strong scores and no activities to back that shit up.

>>7792200
Ok, nevermind. If that's your list, you will probably even get into GaTech. You don't even need good grades to get into there, GaTech is ez mode.

Also,
>GT as a dream school

Odd considering its demonically low yield rate. People typically don't look forward to going there and even the people who attend it swear it's the devils anus.

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>>7792209
I have ECs, fortunately, mostly STEM-related, of course. I won math and programming awards, I do photography, volunteering, and tutoring. I'm sorry that you're stuck in a shitty state school, but I hope you can transfer out soon. Thank you for the advice. And yeah, I prefer the ACT a lot more than the SAT.

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>>7792220
You sure m8? A bunch of people with perfect 4.0 UW GPAs and perfect test scores got rejected this year... and a lot of them want to go there. Now GaTech is a lot more competitive than it was a few years ago. I'll have trouble considering the fact that my GPA is barely a 3.0 and I've failed classes.

I crey evrtim.

>>7792227
>transfer
Nah I'm stuck here for good. Changing places now is going to be too much of a pain in the ass.

But its clear you're just attentionwhoring at this point since it's obvious you'll get into your dream school.

As for the perfect test scores, GT knows they aren't really interested in attending GT so they'll reject them off the bat. They're just applying to GT because its a safety for them in case they don't get into places that are actually desirable, but as soon as they're admitted somewhere else better (which is statistically very probable) they'd throw GT into the trash. GT already has an abysmally low yield rate, and admitting those perfect scorers just drives it down further and they don't want that.

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>>7792241
If you don't like it, try getting out! If you have a good GPA and have done some pretty good stuff, you have a shot. Besides, CommonApp literally doesn't take any time (except the essays).

And no, senpai. I'm even failing classes this year. When they see my scores, enthusiasm, essay, and ECs they'll smile, but as soon as they see my GPA and senior year grades they'll throw my application straight in the trash. It's not even like I have straight As and am failing 2 classes. Nope, I have Cs, Bs, and Ds. Only 1 A. There's a reason why their accepted students have an A average GPA (aka > 3.5 and no failed classes). The only good thing is that my weighted GPA adds 1.0 points to my UW.

But thanks for believing in me. Nobody else does.

>>7792251
Don't like this place? It's pretty comfy here desu. Put some thought into it since I turned down GT for this place after all (Illinois).

I'm not American, but my high school puts out at least 1 person that gets into GT every year for the past 3 years including me. One of us had 3.3 GPA and barely scratched 100 on the TOEFL for fuck sake. And yes, none of us ended up going there.

And international admissions are even more competitive than domestic.

That being said, doesn't matter if you get into GT or not. There isn't anything in particular that sets a degree from GT apart from anywhere else in employers eyes. And I don't think you want to spend your life slaving away in academia either. Part of the reason why so many students at GT develop drinking problems is because they find out its rankings are just a meme.

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>>7792272
Never mind, then. As long as you like your uni it's cool! I'm assuming UIUC? A few of my friends applied there. They'll probably get in.

Yeah, being American works in my favor. I've heard of how competitive it is for international students. A lot of them are actually smarter/more qualified than the average American applicant.

And I've heard about GaTech students' drinking problems and The Ratio, which puts me at an advantage. But I still want to go because it's not an Ivie but still good, it's perfect location-wise, it's STEM-oriented, and I already know people there. And even though colleges don't matter, you get connections at better universities rather than community colleges. Connections kinda matter, in my opinion. Especially for jobs and companies, etc. I don't want to end up in a community college or local university surrounded by deadbeats/people who don't care about their future. But you're absolutely right.

>>7792304
The ratio is a meme. For God's sake, your in the middle of midtown. Meet gsu students or Emory students. Fuck, I found out there's a ballet studio near campus and got involved with a dancer.

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I applied to this school for computer engineer. How fucked am I debt wise?

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>>7792315
That sounds great, but how exactly does one do that? Via YikYak? Tinder? Meeting through friends of a friend? Or merely just going to a club/bar and talking to fellow college students?

And yeah, I know The Ratio is a meme.

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>>7792304
So you're a grill. Of course. Should've guessed from photography and typing antics.

As an international Asian male, I can only dream of the places I'd end up at if only I had a vagina and were black. But I guess that's for another lifetime for me to find out.

But seriously you have no idea how good you have it, especially if you are interested in STEM. Easier admission, billions upon billions of scholarships among other things.

Excuse me, I'll have to go REEE now.

>>7792326
You can just kind of show up to parties around campus and nobody cares. Sometimes girls who don't go Tech show up -- I met girls from all of the schools on the area. Bumming/lending cigarettes to other drunks is the GOAT icebreaker.

>>7789680

I can't, but I can tell you that you should find a school that has a great program that you want. Honestly, if you start college without the slightest idea why you're going then don't go to an expensive school. I went to UK because I wanted to be a pharmacist and their program is top 5 in the nation for the past several years at an affordable price.

P.s. I got accepted and start in the fall

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>>7792329
I'm not Black, but I'm not Asian or White either. Are you south Asian or east Asian?

I just do photography for fun; it's a hobby. I wouldn't dedicate my life to that. And I'm not just going to bet on my gender or ethnicity either. Sure, it has its advantages, but in college I'll have to work harder to show that I'm not some Stacy that exploits betas and makes them do all my work. And no, I'm not a feminist either.

>>7792333
Sounds good. Thanks for the advice!

>>7789680
70,000 at any good university makes good sense.

>>7789725
By being very smart

>>7790706
you're an idiot

>>7789680
>Paid education
Stop living in a shitty county.

At to Virginia Tech for engineering. Paying maybe 10k a year, not bad and it they let me in just based on my act score lol.

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Want to get into Harvard undergrad?

Apply if:
1. (family income >= $250,000)
2. Attended school such as Exeter, Andover, or similar
3. Parents attended
4. Participated in sports such as Crew, Polo
5. 99%-tile on SAT
6. 5.0 out of 4.0 GPA (AP classes)
7. ECs
8. Well-travelled (Europe)
9, Family regularly attends vacation spots in Nantucket, Hamptons, Aspen)
10. Father is in politics, lawyer, has a PhD, CEO of a company, hedge fund manager, consultant at McKinsey or similar career.

>>7793003
I realized the easiest things to accomplish on this list are still extremely hard.

>>7792199
>My education system shits out nobel prize winners
>That perfectly rationalizes the fact that over 40 million of your students have been severely crippled in their life by the huge debt, with at least 10% of those having completely defaulted on their loans and will never be able to pay back what they owe, securing themselves a life of penalty and poverty.

Yup. I love that mentality. Look at all these good examples we have! Ignore all the shitty ones though, even of the shitty ones outnumber the good ones.

USA! USA! USA!

>>7792398
You don't even have an argument.

You are a unicorn. Or a unifaggot.

>>7793024
To make sure I have data to support my claim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_debt#Statistics

>37 million students in debt
>7 million of them defaulted on them
>In total, they all owe 1.2 trillion dollars

This 37 million figures pretty much amounts to 10% of the total population. 10% of your people are in crippling debt because of how shitty your system is. And 10% of that 10% will never be able to pay it back.

Feel proud about your nobel prizes and what not but don't think that you can support an economy with a small minority of geniuses. The less people able to afford living, the faster your economy decays as money stops flowing because people simply cannot afford anything.

Enjoy the last few moments that you have, America. All of these numbers are on an increasing trend.

>>7792366

Are you fucking mental or what?

>>7793291
He is american. Through brain washing, the government has made them believe that paying such high fees for basic undergrad education is somehow reasonable.

In fact, just wait a few minutes. There will be some faggot coming here again to defend the system that fucks him in the ass.

>>7792322

not bad if you're paying instate tuition. housing costs are expensive through, shitty rooms typically start at 800/month. parties and social scene is great, although there is definitely the feel of lots of rich white kids living the life on their parents money.

>>7793400

I live an hour away from there and will be living with my parents. I just want the degree.

>>7793233
10% is the lib art population who were never going to contribute to the economy anyway.

>>7792111
>>7792117
>>7792168

There was a Math professor at my community college that is pretty cool. He seemed like he really cared, or at least portrayed himself like he cared about his students. His teaching style was crystal clear where he taught you the proof then taught you how to apply the concept with the problems. There were two others that were similar and were very good.

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=597030

Of course, it depends on what CC you go to, but the ones I went to, the Math professors were very good.

>>7792177

What's wrong with a CC? You'll pay less and will take out worthless GE requirements then when you transfer to a university, you'll be taking your core classes.

>>7793346

I mean, I'm American too, but I don't think paying that much PER YEAR is justifiable, even if its fucking Harvard or Yale.

>>7789680
>Can someone explain the cost of a good undergrad STEM/Econ education to me?

Any accredited university in the USA for undergrad is good. One's getting the same education. Of course, colleges like university of Chicago are more for prestige rather than how good of an education one is getting. In the end, undergrad degrees do not matter at all as long as they are accredited. Now, for master degrees and PhDs that is where one should spend that type of money, but one should spend it if one has the right degree and one's job is willing to pay for it. If not, don't bother. I hate when retards sign away their life to go to a school where the tuition is 50+K a year for an undergrad degree and their family's income is an average of 30k a year. Especially those who are going into these expensive schools for History, Psychology, or Music.

>>7792322

Very little fucked.

>assuming you're a top student
CP Pomona: Bachelor's
UCLA/UC San Diego: Master's
Berkley/UCLA/UC San Diego: PhD

>Assuming Middle of the pact student
CP Pomona: Bachelor's
UC Riverside: Master's and PhD

>Assuming good enough
CP Pomona: Bachelor's and Master's
None: PhD.

What should I major in to make dem big boy bux?

>>7794189
G E O L O G Y
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>>7794196
what job dem bois have

>>7794099

>paying money for a PhD at all, let alone 50k a year

You have no idea what you're talking about, huh?

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>>7794099
>family's income is an average of 30k a year

>tfw rich as fugg and don't have to worry about debt

>>7794273
>but one should spend it if one has the right degree and one's job is willing to pay for it. If not, don't bother.

Or you need to learn to read.

>>7794189
Industrial Engineering with a business minor/double major

go into Sales Engineering

make literally 250k starting because commissions.

get your PE

get your MBA

become a CTO and do nothing but sit around reading tech articles and attending meetings

collect your 500k salary + bonuses.

>>7790706
The only internationals that consider studying in the US are rich. Check your own privilege, cunt.

>>7794531
This is not true. My cousin didn't drop the US dream and he is now studying in the US. To pay for this shit their parents got a mortgage.

I wouldn't say it to his face but he's pretty fucking selfish.

I knew that there was no way my parents or myself could gather up all that money without having to get in big debt and then what was the point.

>Study and put hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt
>So that in the future you may, possibly, if the stars align, make money.

Nope.

I'll try to apply next semester for the program that pays outstanding students. With only one month of payment you can pay an entire semester of school if you are accepted. Hopefully my grades are enough.

You get this know? This is how higher education should work:

You don't pay the schools so that they choose to teach you

The schools pay you so that you become a professional and help carry the economy in the following decades.

That is why the US is a dead country. The billionaires are just trying to get the last pump of money out of you and then they will drop you like a rock.

>>7794382
I really don't think you understand the point of the PhD.

>>7794531
Can confirm, I'm pretty fucking rich.

I fucking love it when ameripoors complain about muh debt around me. As if $20k a year is a large amount of money. Kek

But seriously, I don't sympathize with any American that complains about tuition though. There's literally a bajillion scholarships out there for Americans that you can get easily even as a B student that'll drive your costs down super low. All you have to do is prove to them that you're literally not retarded.

In fact if you complain about tuition and debt, I'm going to straight up and probably correctly assume you're a dumbass arts student who only goes into college for muh dreemz and because muh teecher told me to and too retarded to get a scholarship that only requires the ability to breathe and have permanent residence.

Having a billion scholarships shoved in your face nullifies any privilege internationals have, you just have to fill out some forms and write a bullshit essay, ezpz.

>>7794569
>Having a billion scholarships shoved in your face nullifies any privilege internationals have, you just have to fill out some forms and write a bullshit essay, ezpz.

This tbqh. i actually made 4k$ last semester off of tuition refunds because i just spammed scholarship applications. only a 3.3 GPA too.

>>7794569
>be me
>not a normie
>have to send two reccomendation letters
>don't know anybody

tfw

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>>7789680
I'm gonna end up 45k-55k in student debt when I finish my degree, go to an in-state school. Better yet, don't go to school at all and become a fucking HVAC technicians. 2 years earning 15/h and then start off making 40k yearly tipping off at ~100k at the end of the pay spectrum. And you don't need to go to school for
4
FUCKING
YEARS
t. mech eng student

>>7794569
? you mean the competitive 1k$ scholarships that barely pay for a fraction of the cost of a single semester in even the cheapest instate school?

universities are corporations and without parental help and no credit trying to pay for it yourself without going to community college first and taking out a car loan to build credit is nearly impossible

>>7794599
i used to be an industrial electrician. Union gig, made shitloads of money.

quit to do mechanical engineering.

so i'm doing my first summer internship at this turbomachinery company, and some ironworkers start going on about their pay, and how great the union is, etc.

one of them tries to crack a joke at my expense and says "hey man, you want to know the difference between a tradesman and an engineer?" and before he could hit the punchline i looked him right in the eye and replied "engineers get to poop in a real toilet."

never said shit to me ever again.

>>7794564
>This is how higher education should work:
Lol, you sound like an idealistic idiot who got burned bad because the real world doesn't measure up to your standards and because your cousin got cucked hard with debt from being the idiot that he is.

Yes, education in the US is a racket. Yes, you should only go if you can legitimately afford it and are not some tryhard poorfag who still believes in the American dream.

>You don't pay the schools so that they choose to teach you
Universities aren't about teaching. They're about credentialism and networking more than anything else.

>The schools pay you so that you become a professional and help carry the economy in the following decades
No, schools pay you to perform research so they can improve their rankings. They're not interested in your economic wellbeing or whatever you choose to do outside of academia, unless said school is vocationally oriented which is rare among universities.

>That is why the US is a dead country
Maybe so, but the pay is undeniably good for a wide swath of professions. I'd rather work in a 'dead' country rather than an 'alive' (i.e. seemingly socialist by your metrics) country that pays chump change like most European nations.

>tfw veteran
>GI Bill is ~$250,000 for school
>still get scholarships cuz muh service
>get shitloads of job offers cuz muh service

man, those 4 years of drinking beer in san diego sure were worth it.

>>7794600
I know a guy in my intro quantum class (who rolled a B in the course) and has a 3.3 GPA.

Shell gave him a $5k scholarship. His tuition is $12k a year. That pays for nearly half his expenses, and that's just from a single scholarship out of the billion possible ones.

Competitive? Nah. Most fucks are just too lazy to get their free money. Seriously.

I get to decide to do my PhD from either Duke,Chicago or Wash U and they will all pay me for the privilege of being a research slave

suck it

>>7794637
Yet another example of American privilege.

>Join army
>have fun shooting sandniggers and jerking off around the world
>get a billion dollars for free college

Why take out loans when you can just join the army? Damn. Gender isn't even an issue since they take in females now as well, it's literally an option for everyone.

Thousands of people around the world would literally kill for the opportunity to serve and get those benefits, but their lack of citizenship precludes them from doing so.

There are literally so many options. If you still take out a loan and get into debt you deserve what's coming to you, lol

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>>7789725
my dad got his phd from there. The secret is to be really good and passionate at what you do. And go to an ivy for undergrad. Once you have those things down, I'd say you have a pretty good shot :^)

>>7794656
>it's literally an option for everyone.
thats not true, heres a list of people that probably can't serve
>fatties
>weak ass skelly's
>mental midgets who had to take ADD/depression meds
>felons
>high school dropouts (GED rarely accepted)

90% of /sci/ fits at least two of those.

>>7791611
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when I was there, there were so many 10/10 girls who were both attractive and interesting. Fuck. When you leave the women in the real world are just so shit.

>>7794661
I went to a shit state school and have the chance to do my PhD there so no

>>7793003
>tfw I qualify for most of these but still got rejected from Harvard because of shit grades.

all you need is 4 and 5 if you're black and female fyi.

>>7794628
>No, schools pay you to perform research so they can improve their rankings

No, that is for professors. The program I'm talking about is for undergrad students and you don't need to be doing research. If you have outstanding greats they will literally pay you a monthly salary that alone can pay for a semester of education but is instead meant to pay for your travel expenses, books, meals, etc. So that the smart people don't have to worry about anything and can just focus on studying and becoming professionals.

>>7792209
I go to a state school and everyone I know with 2400 SATs and zero ECs performed absolute garbage their first year because they've never given a single fuck their entire lives and now it's hard compared to high school. They reject kids with high scores and low grades and no ECs because top schools know they don't give a fuck and will fail.

>>7795393
What if i have average ECs
>Took part in Sports, badminton, fencing.(Competition, commitment, etc.)
>Science competitions (e.g. Olympiads and Science Fairs)
Won some shit here a there but nothing extraodinary, is it ok with just grades and these stuff? Or do i have to fuckin go to some international shit and burn my ass off some science competition again?

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>>7795417
Oh i forgot, i have like 100 hours local commitment to various causes like local homes for the blind, poor, etc. Governmental agency ambassador, basically some guy who become a poster boy with a fancy name.
Please help a brother out.

>>7789680
The explanation: there are people willing to pay it.

>>7790775
I got in and the only significant accomplishments I had were Illinois State Scholar, a 33 on the ACT, and a 2300 on the SAT

>>7792329
You frequent r9k?

>>7790596
they give out student loans like candy so universities raise their prices to soak in those government shekels.

Also this liberal faggot meme about how rich people are the only ones who can be educated is no longer true.

You can get a WAY better education by using the internet on your own and watching online lectures. But too people are too retarded to put work in on their own so we get faggots who get 200k in debt for a sociology degree and can't pay it back then they start voting for bernie.

>http://news.mit.edu/2015/ahaan-rungta-mit-opencourseware-mitx-1116

>mfw free tuition at UCLA because poor parents
>mfw easily afford housing because trust fund from grandparents

hiding assets is fun :^)

>KU Leuven in Belgium
>top 100 uni globally
>paid on average 800$ tuition fee per year to get my master's degree
>doing my PhD in quantum mechanics there now
>earning 2100 dollars net per month, housing and food costs max 1000 dollars a month
>so much money to spend

Feels good man

>>7795976
Like I said, its not about getting an education. It's about credentialism and networking.

>>7795976
>You can get a WAY better education by using the internet on your own and watching online lectures.

I'm sure you can. How many employers are gonna hire them? Notice how your article says he's still going to college?

>>7794099
>PhDs that is where one should spend that type of money
spending money on a PhD omg... i wouldn't do it for under 50k$ (that's what you earn in germany as a PhD-"student")

>>7796543
Dis.

>>7793003
Truth

>>7791691
University of Chicago nobody ever thinks of but if you pay attention to studies and htings, it pops up a LOT, especially in economics

When it comes to engineering if its ABET accredited it is probably perfectly fine no matter the university, especially if you get an internship somewhere

If you have higher aspirations than just getting a job out of school, then that's when the tier of the school really matters.

I know this isn't 100% related but I just graduated in December and currently have a EE job. If I wanted to go back to school eventually, lets say in 5 years, and get my masters, how the hell does that work? Is my experience on the job suddenly worth more than what my grades and stuff were 5 years ago?

>>7796669
>economics
explain bernie sanders

>>7796732
Explain how hes correct?

Am I more retarded than everyone on sci? I had a 3.8 in highschool since I didn't do half my homework, and a 32 ACT. I'm almost done with my masters in math at a decent state school. I was thinking about a PhD but I got 50th percentile on subject GRE so that maybe fucks me out of a fellowship. I got a 4.0 in grad school though and a publication. Fucking GRE had tons of calc on it and I was too lazy to study. I dunno. If I can't get one I think I might just get a cubicle job of some flavor. Or just use my master's to get a job as an electrician. I did stuff like that one summer and liked it a lot. Fuck my dumbass life. I should just drink myself to death while playing vidya until my savings run out.

>>7797694
No. Most people here are about 50% in their programs but lie about having 3.9 GPAs and 300K starting from math degrees.

>>7789725
I got into UoC for PhD in math. Even got one of the first offers with a fellowship (but I chose to go to Berkeley instead). I didn't go to an ivy league college. I went to a pretty good liberal arts school. I don't think it was particularly highly regarded in math / cs (it didn't even have a math graduate school and the CS department was pretty new). I didn't have a 4.0 GPA. I got like a 3.6 (3.8 if you restrict math / cs courses). Also, I scored like 80 % in the math GRE

I did do a summer REU every summer from freshman year. I got a paper published from my freshman year, got publishable results from the following ones (though, publications have not yet been made). Other than that, I'm not really sure what I did to get in.

>>7796732
>I don't know the difference between attending the university of chicago for a humanities degree and Chicago school economics
Explain why you're not on your containment board right now.

>>>/pol/

>>7799239
Publication I imagine will override scores, so long as they're sufficient to do the level of work. Publication shows you can do everything necessary for great research. It's the ultimate goal, really.

>>7789680
>cost of a good undergrad STEM/Econ education
Dunno about econ but for STEM the content is all the same nigga. Go to the cheapest school.
Helps to be poor as shit though so them top schools give you free tuition.

>>7791737
>too young to be an Ivy
How does this sentence even make sense. The Ivy League is a sports conference you dingus.

>>7791147
This only applies if youre american, I persume?

>>7794656
>American privilege
Tumblr pls go
Paying our soldier's way through uni is a bad thing why?

>>7799502
>the institution you get your degree from is not a major determining factor in what graduate program or what job you can get
Only people going to bad schools actually think this. It is blatantly illogical and avoiding the truth helps out their mind at ease.

>>7793003
Literally the only thing I have on that is a good SAT (2300). I'm also white and straight. Eat my balls retard. Sincerely Harvard sophmore

I go to an Ivy League school.

Don't come we're full. Fucking seriously.

>>7800917
>>7800921

What's it like? How do you get in?

>>7800921
>he goes to Brown/Penn/Columbia/Cornell
This is not really impressive. Graduating from Harvard/MIT/Stanford will get you anywhere, not just any ivy league

>>7800922
I worked hard in academics and I work hard now. There was no bullshit. "Average" kids get into Harvard all the time.

>>7797694
>>7797741
This.

Never forget that /sci/ is still 4chan and everything here needs to be taken with the entire shaker of salt.

There are some reasonably smart people here, probably a handful of really smart people, but most of what people say about themselves is total bullshit.

>>7800913
Let me clarify. I'm not saying go to your local CC to save money and you're good. I mean apply to the best schools, but if you have to choose between a full ride at UIUC and full price at Berkeley... At that point, the "extra prestige" is not worth it, just choose the full ride.
Unless you're filthy rich. Then you can do whatever you want I suppose.

>>7791147
>mediocre private college like Notre Dame or USC

lmao, anything in the top 25 is not "mediocre" tbqh. also, you're naming the 2 schools among the best alumni network in the country. don't be deceived by the "hurr durr football school" reception ND or USC gets. getting a degree on both guarantees you a high paying job and great (not Ivy-tier though) connections

>>7791147
The thing about state schools is that they accept more students, so the quality of the student body is less homogeneous. I'm sure if you take the upper majority (5%? 10% 20%? Depends on the school) of any top public you have your Harvard/MIT body right there.

>>7801332
Also people choose "lower-ranking" schools for different reasons. I've known people who got accepted to MIT/Yale that chose Michigan instead (albeit for their math program) and someone who got accepted to Stanford but chose UT-Austin instead. A lot of times it comes down to money reasons.

>>7801307
Eh, I consider ND, USC, Emory, Vanderbilt and the like mediocre. Yeah people have heard of them but they're not known for anything specific, like Chicago and Econ, Carnegie Mellon and Compsci, or Texas and PE. They're just "meh" overall.