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How big is the universe?
If you could behold all the universe from afar, would you see some colossal pattern?

How small do things go?
What makes up the things that makeup the things that make up atoms?

If there a type of "life" on these mega and quantum foam levels which incorporates the sums of the human-known universe as its parts?

We will never ever know these answers. They may as well be >>>/x/ related for all it really matters. But, damn it, can we discuss things we know nothing about for a change? (heh, guess most of us have been doing that since /sci/ began.) Theories anyone?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgICfQawE
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>>7788594
everything is cellular automata. because it is able to emulate boolean logic gates (watch the second video of this guy)

well you can observe oscillating objects with as little as 3 points in a 2D array

Stephen Wolfram used this to write mathematica and explained it in new kind of science. It's a very interesting field and I can't wait to get srs with it
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>>7788620
>Stephen Wolfram used this to write mathematica and explained it in new kind of science. It's a very interesting field and I can't wait to get srs with it

This?

https://www.ted.com/talks/stephen_wolfram_computing_a_theory_of_everything

Watching now.
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>>7788594
>How big is the universe?
It's infinite.

>If you could behold all the universe from afar, would you see some colossal pattern?
It's uniform.

>How small do things go?
The smallest we know of are the fermions and bosons, such as electrons and photons.

>What makes up the things that makeup the things that make up atoms?
Fermions and bosons.

>If there a type of "life" on these mega and quantum foam levels which incorporates the sums of the human-known universe as its parts?
No.

>We will never ever know these answers. They may as well be >>>/x/ related for all it really matters. But, damn it, can we discuss things we know nothing about for a change? (heh, guess most of us have been doing that since /sci/ began.) Theories anyone?
They're called astronomy and particle physics. Just because you are ignorant of them doesn't mean everyone is ignorant.
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>>7788620
>everything is cellular automata. because it is able to emulate boolean logic gates (watch the second video of this guy)
What? That's like saying everything is minesweeper because minesweeper can emulate boolean logic gates. Many things are Turing complete.

The whole cellular automata fad is pretty passe. It's not really going anywhere.
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>>7788643
It's unknown how large the universe is spatially. We know how big the observable is, though.
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>>7788660
>It's unknown how large the universe is spatially.
It's unknown but we think it's infinite because space is geometrically flat and because of the cosmological principle.
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>>7788652
He has a whole book on his physics = automata theory. AFAIK it's as scientific as string theory, a Gauß. Completely unprovable.
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>>7788643
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>>7788660
What would define the edge of the universe? The last area where matter or energy has been able to reach or appear? Beyond which there is nothing? If you threw out more matter or energy past that point it would increase the size of the universe. OR, is the universe all conceivable space where matter or energy could occupy? In that latter question, where would it end, if it could?
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>>7788673
Yeah and that was how many years ago? Really nothing has come of it even though he has plenty of disciples.
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>>7788688
Except for of all those computer program targeted-AI based on it.
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>>7788673
>Completely unprovable.
>as scientific as string theory, a Gauß

So, basically it is as esoteric as flat Earth, except it allows the programmers to think of a new way of doing something.
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>>7788688

except mathematica, which seems like a hell of a program?
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>>7789456
https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/

Good god. It is like google on steroids.
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>>7788620
>this meme again
>>7788594
The universe appears more random the more you zoom out and simpler as you zoom in, we're at a the interesting zoom level.
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>>7788643
>>If there a type of "life" on these mega and quantum foam levels which incorporates the sums of the human-known universe as its parts?
>No.

What are you even doing on this board?
The only correct answer is 'Unknown'.
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>>7788594
>How big is the universe?
We don't know.
>If you could behold...colossal pattern?
We already can.
>How small do things go?
We don't know. We can't see beyond a Plank length with any current technology.
>What makes up the things that make up the things that make up atoms?
Atoms are made of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Protons and neutrons are made of quarks. We don't know what quarks are made of.

>Is there a type of "life" on these ...levels?
No. At least not on the quantum level. Our definition of life requires reproduction, a function elementary particles don't reserve. On the large scale, maybe, but not in our visible universe.

Someday, we will know these answers. Either that or we will be extinct.
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>>7788594

This video is kind of disturbing, but amazing at the same time.
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>>7788724
>>7789456
>>7789407
Automata physics is a huge failure despite his genius. Mathematica isn't related to that.
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>>7790349

http://reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/CellularAutomaton.html#7022

you can even iterate on 3D Graphics with it

>lurk more son
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>>7789762
>We already can.

Incorrect. No human can behold patterns up to a certain point. Past that point everything is "lul chaos!" It is arbitrary and relative per individual.
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>>7790398
>this huge software library does cellular automata amongst thousands of other things
>therefore automata is a significant reason for its existence
Kill urself
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>>7790463

don't talk if you have no idea
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>>7790463
>doesn't know how cellular automata and automata theory relate to each other
>doesn't know ....

you know what? forget it
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>>7788594
On a side note, that game of life colonizer factory is sweet
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>>7788594
I wonder if is it possible for Game of Life to have sentient life forms that reproduce, mutate and evolve.
But I'm afraid this world is too harsh for something like that to exists, they would have to be inside a simulation inside the Game of Life.(which is doable since GoL is Turing complete)
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>>7788594
>How deep does the Rabbit Hole go?

Deep, DEEP, deeper than anyone or anything can ever conceive.
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>>7793632
Huh? The point was that Mathematica has nothing to do with whether automata theory is useful to physics. Not to mention that Mathematica is not even a result of automata theory just because it can represent it.
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>>7793685

thanks have some wireworlds
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