>>7788298 It's an inbuilt urge. We don't have much control over instincts, we're just born that way. The beings who didn't have survival instincts are all dead now, so the only ones left are the ones who are willing to survive.
>>7788298 Things either propagate or not. If they propagate then more will exist. If they do not propagate then less will exist. The reason we strive to survive is because if we did not we wouldn't exist in the first place.
>>7788422 > What do you mean by there's no meaning What do you think I mean? There is no 'meaning', I don't understand why you think there must be a meaning for everything. A cup of coffee falls off of a table because of gravity, not because of some deep spiritual meaning. This is the same for life, we just exist, deal with it.
>>7788135 >Why does pain stop us from doing things? It triggers mental responses that inhibit working memory, awareness, theory of mind, and more direct and meaningful social connection. You grow to fear failure, and the absence of a negative is judged to be better than the potential for a positive.
That's just the tip of the iceberg with chronic pain, but it all builds on itself and unless you outright die inside or do some psychological fucking about, you don't tend to seek out new experiences or relationships with qts. You just want to be left alone.
>Why is it a *must* that we survive? It's not. Things come, things go, species included. Humans are partly wired to treat it as a must. But apathy disengages that pretty quickly, I've been to places where if I had a kill switch that would immediately get rid of every single one of us, myself included, with no meaningful collateral damage, I might have seriously pressed it. Deep down, part of me really doesn't like other people, and I don't really like myself. It's a tenuous relationship.
>What is the final purpose of reproduction? Purpose is a human idea. The universe, and ourselves, might very well have a purpose. But it's not anything you or anyone else here knows, or ever probably will know. Useless questions.
>>7788435 That was a bit of a cheeky joke I'll admit lol. --But everything, even at rest has some cause-and-effect to things in their environment or outside. Regardless just as their was a cause to it's presence there will be an effect in their end.
How did gravity break the cup?
You see what I mean? What does it mean for gravity to have broken a cup, was it JUST gravity? What were the conditions? Height? Hard floor?
>>7788435 >This is the same for life, we just exist, deal with it. >deal with it. That is where the problem lies. From neuroscience we know that brain likes to be in the center. He is the main actor in this movie called life and everything has to have a meaning from his POV. IIRC its helpful in the survival of the organism which is why it has remained embedded. It's kind of a small biological limitation that we have to get through that says that everything has to have a meaning, even though it's not really so. It simply takes time for some people to "deal with it". Or software had evolved but we are still running on the same outdated platform
>>7788463 I have no idea why some people struggle with the basic idea that meaning is self created, and self maintained. Sometimes the mean for you to inter[ret meaning are shared, or generated elsewhere and pushed on you, but nonetheless the brain itself is creating, it is not discovering or searching.
>>7788463 I certainly don't see myself as the center of the universe or any protagonist for that matter. If anything when I see an event I often wonder how it'll effect an unrelated event later, unseen by me.
>>7788474 You know how older people don't like messing with computers a lot because they fear they are going to break something? The same could be said about people that can't accept something that at first glance seems like a foreign concept to their brain. Basically it's the fear of the unknown. What would happen if I pushed this button kind of thing. Sorry if I don't make much more sense and I hope you understand me, cause I seem to be losing my focus and can't express myself clearly. Damn you overworked brain
>>7788484 >I certainly don't see myself as the center of the universe or any protagonist for that matter. There is no shame in it since you don't have a choice in the matter at first. It used to be a useful thing to survival so your brain has kept that add-on. Of course it doesn't have to dictate your every decision and though and with tone you will learn to do and think things desires that outdated instinct, like we learned to ignore some other instincts of ours. It just takes time.
>>7788501 And with tone you will learn to do and think things desires that outdated instinct, Jesbus muh atrocious spelling. With time* you will learn to do and think things despite* that outdated instinct
>>7788135 >Why does pain stop us from doing things? To increase our chances of survival >Why is it a *must* that we survive? So that we can reproduce >What is the final purpose of reproduction? Ok now we're getting somewhere
>>7788340 >Entropy In 2nd year Biochemistry this was briefly discussed, with a very interesting sidenote: we observe in the inorganic world moving towards disorder; however biological systems act contrary to this. This incorporates obviously the system of an individual organism, which interacts from it's niche with it's biota, which in turn interact with others to make up the biosphere as a whole.
>>7788363 >I wonder why we hunt other surviving organisms though. Such as carnivore and herbivore. Carnivores exist to keep herbivore numbers in check. If you start at the 'top' of the cladistic tree and work backwards through the history of evolution, it becomes evident that the emergence of new species, and even as far as new kingdoms, came about to bring balance to the system as a whole by filling very specific niches. eg. carnivores keep herbivore numbers in check for the sake of the plant species. eg.herbivores help plants spread seeds, provide a fertile medium for seeds (dung) etc eg.(skipping along quite a bit) plants through photosynthesis provided balance to the respiration of the existing bacteria. >>7788383 >Universe is uniform Well, yes and no. On the macro level it seems to be, but on smaller scales there is much variation. Back to my point about entropy, things move towards disorder as energy disperses throughout the system. But here on earth we recieve energy from the sun constantly (see enthalpy). Once the sun dies out that will obviously change. As for the universe, well that depends on which model you take into consideration. >eg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbruPR3o0Zc That was long-winded, but I just woke up.
>>7788298 >Why though? Why do we take life, and fight for it? Not metaphorically but biologically Think about it: if an animal doesn't have a sense of pain it wont avoid dangerous situations and thus is far more likely to die and far less likely to reproduce and far less likely to pass on the genes for not feeling pain.
>>7788646 This is idiotic. There is a reason for everything. Self referential truths are to be noted as such before you move on. In this case you're a lazy prick who doesn't care to know how anything works, so you've taken things you can resolve further as self referential and stopped trying.
Ignore this poisonous lazy frightened man's mentality. His truth comes from self delusion.
Since we're asking impossible questions here: Do you guys think that the hierarchy of complexity stretches on infinitely in both the positive and negative direction? Could we even determine this? I know that since we are organisms we are only capable of so much but it's interesting to think about.
>>7788633 Could you elaborate? I'll try, but it's been 15 years since I studied this.
In the inorganic world things move towards disorder (or higher entropy). They disperse essentially. In an organism things move towards order. We eat, drink and our bodies assemble rather than disperse matter. That is until we die. It's a bit simplifyed, as when we die we provide nutrients to other species in the food chain, but thats where we start to look at the ecosystem as a whole, which seems to act in the same way, or at least a balance between order and disorder with a dynamic equilibrium.
>>7788663 >Do you guys think that the hierarchy of complexity stretches on infinitely in both the positive and negative direction?
As I explained here: >>7788602 and here >>7788722 ...complexity (if I'm understanding your use of the term correctly) is a result of lower entropy, and thus a function the energy contained within. If the universe is expanding the energy is becoming less concentrated (law of conservation of energy) it is becoming less complex. As for negative complexity, I don't that's a thing-or at least I can't wrap my mind around it.
That said, we just don't enough to be absolutely certain. While on the whole it sounds right, it presupposes that there is a limit on variation. If there is no limit to variation within the whole then infinite complexity is a possibility. Is this a paradox?
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