So consciousness is just a byproduct of perception, right?

Or is consciousness that which perceives?

That's a philosophy question, not a science question, since it depends so much on such nebulous ideas like consciousness and perception. go ask /his/

>>7782491
Whats the scientific model for how we are self aware and think?

>>7782843
Not very good unfortunately. You may have some luck here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_human_intelligence#Models_and_theories

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>>7782484
Your consciousness being made up of the information that your perception has granted you, your consciousness then processes this information and allows you to experience reality. So they're dependent on one another; for instance, if you have a mental illness this changes your perception, which then affects your consciousness and how you process this information. - Your reality is real to you, others reality is real to them. Mental illness is just a vastly different reality to the norm, making it abnormal.

>>7783214
Woah, woah, woah there. Consciousness is self awareness, at a fundamenral level it is the 'left' and 'right' halves of the brain recognising their unique seperatedness. This, within any framework, is a form of schizophrenia. Now you anon, have fonversations with yourself inside your mind, this is the nature of slf-awareness and either is or is not a form of mental ilness.
Mental illness is not therefore a vastly different reality, in fact, it is all too easily far too close to 'normalcy'

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>>7783600
Infants are not born with self-awareness, if it was -FUNDAMENTAL- they would be. They -LEARN- this self-awareness via their perception of reality, which affects their consciousness, whilst their consciousness affects their perception.

>>7782491
>>7782484
Actually go to /lit/
They talk more about philosophy

>>7783655
Jeezers. Infants not born self aware? The whole point of the abortion laws is that it is scientifically determined infants have conciousness at 16 weeks.

>>7783687
Consciousness doesn't mean understanding of the world, their death(s) would mean nothing to them. As children grow, they learn and hopefully learn the worth of life and understanding of the world and self-awareness.

>>7782484
bruh, byproduct of 'self perception' or 're-perception'

>>7783691
Objectively, infants smile at an early age. That is a social expression, a clear pointer to 'them' and 'me'. Taking steps is definite self awareness.

>>7783600
consciousness is NOT self awareness. consciousness is the awareness of something, not only of the self.

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>>7783600
>consiousness is self awareness
holy fucking shit kill yourself you goddamn idiot
your dog has a consciousness even if he isn't self aware

>>7784253
[math]cuck[/math]

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>>7783737
>>7783857
>>7783214
>>7783655
>>7783691
Someone who actually understands my standpoint, fucking finally.

>>7783723
>at an early age
>age
>aging
Right, so you're saying they learn... via perception affecting their consciousness and vice versa? You are aware, I said at birth, you've basically backed up my point by saying after they've -LEARNT- and -INTERACTED- they become more self-aware. Thank you, you moron.

There are two problems of consciousness, the easy one and the hard one.

The easy one can be answered in a hand-wavey fashion by the following sentence. Consciousness is the story we tell ourselves.

The hard problem of consciousness, which is the problem of raw subjective experience, seems to be unanswerable by any models which exist in science, or even philosophy, today.

One of the interesting models is Tononi's integrated information theory, which states that consciousness is what it "feels" like to have highly integrated information processing systems.

The other interesting idea is the Von Neumann–Wigner interpretation of quantum mechanics, where consciousness is the agent of collapse of the wave function. This model is potentially compatible with Tononi's.

>>7782491
>implying unrefined concepts are the defining feature of philosophy

>>7784743
Analytic philosophy no. Continental philosophy definitely.

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>>7783199
where does factor analysis come into play here?

>>7782484
>just

Consciousness is not "just" anything. The trick to consciousness is that there is no trick: It's every bit as complex as it appears, featuring untold numbers of feedback loops and inputs.