Nobody gives a shit what university you went to. Why would you go to university to learn math? Read a fucking book. University is for those interested in research. If you're not going to do research stay out of university. If you already have a job and just need an excuse for a higher salary any diploma mill will do.
>>7772762 Waterloo for engineering (if you want to go straight to industry).
Speaking as a UW engineering student, don't fucking go here unless you're doing math or engineering, and have no concern about losing your entire social life. Literally everyone else is having more fun then you, even at the shittier universities. You're wasting the best years of your life in exchange for making more money later on in life.
>>7772852 >tfw did an internship at Goldman Sachs last summer, have a hot GF and will start as an analyst at Goldman after I graduate from imperial with an MEng this year earning 80k+ pounds a year (that's 120k USD for amerifats)
>>7773277 because it's not a university. French structures are small but extremely selective. The size doesn't help with international rankings. Anyone who knows anything about their field knows about ENS.
>>7773506 well, engineering (at least at imperial) has an enormous emphasis on making and evaluating models and designing solutions to novel problems.
I imagine that an engineer would approach a problem in a significantly different manner to an accountant or finance student. Also there is a strong emphasis on mathematics, modelling software and programming/algorithms in my course which is at foundation of algorithmic trading.
If you can manage the courseload presumably you'll have not much problem picking up the necessary financial knowledge along the way.
>>7773333 >And Tokyo is way better than Rice. It is. Tokyo is where every Japanese student dreams of going. It has produced 15 Japanese prime ministers, 10 Nobel laureates and one Fields medalist. Tokyo is to JAXA like Caltech is to JPL.
Meanwhile, Rice is not even the best school in Texas, Austin is.
>>7771599 When it comes to maths shanghai ranking is useless. So many (American) unis in the top 100 that don't even do analysis in the first year.
If you want a BSc in maths: ETH Zurich, Lausanne, all the Parisian, Bonn, TU Munich, Goettingen, Vienna University, University of Pisa, St. Petersburg, Moscow Lomonossow, etc.
Just google "best maths unis in xyz country".
There are quite a few European countries where you can make a great bachelors degree in maths. When it comes to maths, it's better to study at f.e. University of Helsinki than an American non-Ivy school. And it's much cheaper too.
I have the choice to study at UChicago or stay at my home country. I want to study math. What's stopping me from leaving the country is a newly acquired girlfriend, whom I love and who doesn't know about this opportunity.
What's the best engineering uni in europe that brings good social life? Wanna do my master's abroad but I want to make the most out of those 2 years other than getting the degree. Also kind of average grades so top unis wouldn't accept me either.
Thanks everyone (non-ironically). I like to hear different opinions.
>>7773591 My tuition is 90% covered by UChicago itself. > If you make your future plans based on a relationship, consider what happens when you break up. I know, but I think this girl (my first girlfriend) is a bit special (muh spucial snowflake, etc). She doesn't party, shy, robot-y, hot as fuck (to me at least), I actually enjoy being around her doing nothing, in contrast to most people on earth. We've been through a few rough moments, and I am being tremendously honest with her (stuff I like, stuff I don't) for the sake of having a strong relationship. The only thing that pushes me off is her lack of life ambitions. I am open to pursuing a PhD outside, which is what actually counts if I want to get into academia.
>>7773592 I'm not in Sweden nor UK. Was about to apply to Cambridge and some other UK unis until I saw the moneys. US is much cheaper if you get tuition covered.
>>7773596 I've avoided teenage romances, I like think this is a bit different. Too young to judge, though, I know shit about women and life in the end. I understand and sympathize with your point.
I will tell her; see how she reacts. If she doesn't give a hint of happiness (because this is something important for me, all my HS efforts have paid off and my value is being recognized for 70k$ a year), I will understand that the relationship is about her, not about us. Then I will decide.
I've taken enough redpill, but I don't like to subscribe to philosophies.
>>7773634 Bro i know it's hard, but there's plenty of fish in the sea(i know very archaic and hackneyed), but up to you, we're just here to advice you. Partially the reason why i've previously avoided any relationships during my High school years.
>>7773652 He could long distance, but come on, we all know it's not gonna work and it's gonna turn into a shitfest where both sides suffer from constant suspicion, even though they pretend with all that bullshit trust and shit.
>>7773656 >>7773666 OP here again. I don't think LTR is gonna work. If we had been together for 5 years then maybe, but it's too son for something so long-term (4 years of uni, an ocean apart, fuck me).
>>7772806 >>7772760 I got into mcgill, u of t, and queen's (currently there in geology) with about a 86% average, so they aren't too difficult to get into, although I did have very strong extra-curriculars (I was being recruited for a sport). I also was in virtually every hard elective you could pick in HS (all sciences, all maths, comp sci, AP, etc. and no basket weaving, etc.) The other solid canadian choice I would say is UBC and (maybe) western? I don't know, I hear western is all partiers now.
I fully support Canadian schools and think they are really good (Queens just won the Nobel prize in physics), but they are definitely way easier to get into than other schools in foreign countries. (Although the only other schools I applied to, Syracuse (USA) and Essex (Britbong) both accepted me as well).
Ayy, forgot about Waterloo. I also got in there (my shitty backups were MTA, uOttawa and Trent). Keep in mind that the St. George campus (downtown) for U of T is much harder to get into than the others in the boonies. It is divided into colleges of which Trinity is apparently by far the most prestigious. I got into St. Mikes and New College if I remember correctly.
>>7773634 All gfs seem great, uni is a whole new ball game. I saw many "high school sweethearts" break up, cheat, and fight at university. People don't realize how crazy it gets when you are suddenly in a small city of young, attractive people and some slut is rubbing up on you at a house party. Any problems you have now will multiply ten fold at university. And her lack of ambition will become more and more painful for you to watch the older you get.
I was in the same position and broke up. I'm from a small town and my ex-gf stayed behind because she was lazy and stupid like everyone else there. I remember trying to talk to her about stuff I learned in class that I found interesting and her eyes glazed over and she fell asleep all the time. I know it sounds "elitist" or whatever, but a lot of these people with no ambition are not as smart as people that attend uni. I'm not saying that to be mean, but you try to explain even basic shit to them and they dont even try to understand it. They would rather just be stupid and ignorant.
>>7772762 These are entering averages for 2012 and I would say this is a pretty accurate picture of the top schools in Canada. I keep seeing schools like Carleton and Dalhousie "ranked" way too fucking high in USN and forbes and all these other magazines. These unis (especially Carleton aka Last chance U) are notorious for being shit and if you want a job in Canada are best to avoid.
To be fair though, I would say most degrees in Canada are half decent. It isn't like the US where you can slap a sign on a lot in the a strip mall, call it Dave's University, and give out degrees for blowjobs.
>>7773634 I've had many gfs, currently I don't have any. I don't feel any worse.
Breaking up is not a big deal OP, and you'll easily find a new gf at uni. I will advise you however not to judge her for her lack of "ambition". Everybody lives life how he/she sees fit, and eventually we will all die, and the memory of us will dissapear soon after. Approach people with an honest and kind heart, and you can't hurt anyone, not your gf, not yourself - regardless of what decisions you make.
>>7773728 In Britain you'll learn the same basics no matter where you go, that's mandated by the IOP. Now obviously some places will teach you more and some will have different emphases, so it really depends on what you mean by "rigorous".
>>7773730 This. They're all essentially the same. There's no real difference in quality like the USA because they're all publicly funded and have to adhere to the same standards. What does separate them though is research activity, international reputation, size, endowment, etc You'll learn the same shit at Western as at U of T, but U of T is larger, richer, bigger math faculty, has the Fields Institute.
>>7773743 Bang on. This is true for most countries outside of the USA. It obviously varies by country, but in most western nations, there is a national body that ensures that all institutions calling themselves a "university" provide the same basics. It is a protected term in most countries.
>>7773999 Check'd. Berkeley is ranked higher than Princeton for several STEM and non-STEM subjects, and I think it ranks higher than Harvard for at least Physics. I know that Harvard and Princeton trump Berkley in terms of reputation but only high-schoolers and people who care more about "prestige" than learning care about reputation.
>>7771615 That's not true. The ETH contains only Mathematics, Science & Engineering on Bachelor Basis. There's Military Officer and Managment on Master Basis, but no arts etc. which makes sense, because the Uni Zurich is right next to the ETH. Also, in 2017, there'll be a medicine bachelor at ETH, so there'll be 2 medicine bachelor's in Zurich. Oh and they're building a train station under the main building right now.
>>7774049 What about metrics other than teaching quality like research quality, citations, etc.? And when it comes to academia I don't think it's very likely that a Harvard student will be seen as above a Berkley student just because of the Harvard brand name. Besides, most admissions tutors know how colleges rank and their grade inflation/lack thereof, which is why a 3.8 from Berkley with good undergrad research experience is more impressive than a 3.9 from Harvard with some experience.
>>7773442 consider the responsibility of each position. banker screws up -> billions out the window, for junior traders at least in the millions engineer screws up -> some lightbulbs fail a few hours early
UofT doesn't require an elite grade average to get in, but good luck maintaining elite grades in the university past the first year.
The curriculum is notoriously harder than other Canadian universities. This is a fact, and the bullshit myth about the school lowering grades to keep up appearances is not. There's a reason people shun UofT for undergraduate studies, because for a lot of people, it damages the chances of them getting into a graduate degree program.
Engineers generally have systems in place to hopefully catch an individual's mistakes, true. This is because human lives are at stake (as well as large quantities of money).
However, it is entirely possible for one or few people to screw up and have things collapsing and people dying as a result. One of our lecturers used to include as many examples as possible of such events to drive the message home. There was even a guy on /sci/ who built some system which ended up killing someone (and he wasn't deemed responsible because it happened due to operating outside of safety bounds, however even in constructing it he knew it could be dangerous and would likely routinely operate outside those bounds).
I went to Imperial and did Physics. Now I'm a PhD student at UCL.
Pros: >Employability in shit like finance is very good >Generally good online resources, there's fucking tons of past papers for acing the exams >Fairly nice location
Cons: >Lecturing is generally (60-70%) shit >No pastoral support of any kind >No interest from Academics in helping students get into research. (Compared to what I've heard from other places) A professor killed himself in another department because he was being bullied into publishing more, they don't have time for your shit. >You're going to have to put in work to get grills, if you don't have natural talent.
So, if you can look after yourself with regards to work, mental health and love life and just want a slip of paper to go get six figures from the city, it's a good choice. If you don't want to have an terrible life and/or have a genuine interest in the subject that you want to foster, go elsewhere. If you can prove yourself competent anyway, it makes little difference in academia where you went (unless it was shit).
>>7776797 Basically nothing for most of the term. Unless there was coursework, then I'd pull an all-nighter. In exam period (i.e, 6-7 weeks before first exam until last exam) 1pm - 10pm everyday including weekends, with a break for dinner.
Of course, during the term I'd be busy with applications for internships/PhDs, but that isn't too taxing.
Hard? I don't know. It was a lot of literal work and effort but there wasn't much in the way of very hard to grasp concepts. But then, I chose not too hard courses. You can fiddle your options in the years 3 and 4 to make things much easier (i.e stay the fuck away from quantum).
>>7776814 At an undergraduate level I can't say because I don't have much interaction with undergrads
At the PhD level, fantastic. The working environment is very warm and friendly (even the senior academics are lovely) and as a more emotional person it's much better for getting work done that working 10 hours a day. Supervisor is great, work is interesting, lots of opportunities. Great stuff.
>>7776878 If you just wanted a first it's probably something similar. If you want to get pushed to learn as much as possible, then I'd say Oxford is probably the better choice. Having 2 on 1 tutoring sessions with a top academic who almost certainly has an interest in you doing well is a massive resource.
I mean imperial is a lot of pressure to survive the course and get a good job, but not much above that. No one is checking if you've done problem sets, they just wait a year and give you an exam. Most of my hard work was self motivated for a better mark on my CV.
>>7776308 Because the people who got into good unis weren't the ones at 14 y/o house parties fucking sluts, so when we go to uni we escape the judgement of those that were stopping us and get to have fun for a bit
If we're sticking in UK unis then I think Warwick's worth a shout for economics. I go there for chemistry which isn't the best but Warwick Business School is up there with the best and has really good commercial contacts and employment prospects
As someone doing Physics in Cambridge I can confirm that the amount of support given is massive. You have meetings with a director of studies (for study stuff) and a tutor (for other stuff) at the beginning and end of each term. Usually these last 5 minutes and are perfectly useless, however if you actually have something you need help with it's very good. Essentially it removes any reservations you may have about approaching someone since you have to see them anyway.
Supervisions are the bigger attraction, although the quality of the supervisors is a bit variable (they can be anything from grad students to senior staff) I've never had a bad one. Basically they go over your work with you and a peer or two every week in all your courses. This means that you really are pushed to do the problem sheets, and that if you can't do something this is spotted and explained to you. One of my supervisors for a course later this year will be the guy lecturing the course, which should be great.
The university is big but the colleges, which deal with your day-to-day non-studying things, are smaller (although their size varies greatly). Which is good because it keeps things more personal and helps you avoid being just another face in a mass of thousands, at least on some level.
Finally, the students themselves are very supportive. Especially other people on the same course and college as you can help a lot.
Having said all that, there definitely are people here who still manage to not get shit done. And the workload is quite intense, especially given how short the terms are. Which means your so-called holidays are likely to be spent balancing between recovering stress and catching up with term-time work and revision.
Workload is quite heavy, but it is doable provided that you maintain decent working habits both during and between terms. You can get through even without decent working habits but you'll likely have a bad time.
Depending on the year of study and your subject choices there's around 9-12 lectures per week, 3-4 hours of supervisions and maybe 10-15 hours of labs/practicals and such. Supervision questions take 1-3 hours each day with a large variance.
These don't seem to add up to too much, however timetabling and things being spread around the town add quite a bit of hours into your daily schedule. I think the university's stance is that working for 8 hours/day should be enough, which might be a good approximation. Quite often I have my first lecture of the day at 9 or 10 a.m. and I return to my room around 6 p.m. with supervision stuff still left to do, however some days are easier.
Also Natural Sciences have lectures 6 days per week, so Saturday lectures are a thing at least during first year.
Terms are 8 weeks with about a month in between. During the holidays you will likely do most of your revision, any leftover supervision questions (there usually are quite a few), whatever else your supervisor feels like setting you (usually past paper questions) as well as projects/reports/assignments. So while holidays leave time to relax you are expected to get work done during them and will be in a bad position if you don't.
I can't say how it is relative to other universities since I haven't been to any.
I once sent in a job application to one of the Wall Street financial companies. I didn't get the job. I assumed it was because I was in Math and they seemed to be looking mostly for Physicists.
About three years later, a prof I knew told me that that company paid extremely well, but about the only chance of getting a job at that company is with a physics degree from an Ivy League school, preferably Dartmouth.
>applied for electronic & electrical engineering >have offers from Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff, Loughborough and Southampton >liked Southampton, has the nicest department & is ranked next to Imperial >but Bristol is more 'prestigious' overall
Studying Physics next year. Which uni is better Warwick or Nottingham? Warwick seems to rank more highly but thats mainly for maths and I've heard Nottingham's quite good for Jobs and stuff. I've heard Warwick's more of a post-graduate uni.
Also got Southampton and Bristol as backups and am officially a Cambridge reject as of 2 days ago (fucked up interview).
>>7781907 You can automate everything from your economy to your political decisions to construction queues to your fleet movements (including attacking and conquering/bombarding enemy planets) and even to redesigning your ships automatically so your latest models optimally incorporates your best technology.
...on the other hand you can also do fucking everything manually, you can even take command of the the smallest irrelevant trading ship if your current laws allow it. You can usually do everything better than the AI too, especially ship and station designs and combat micro management.
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