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In the animal world, females choose the most attractive males for mating (because eggs are less common than sperms), so how come it is the opposite in the human world?
Pic somewhat related
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Human Females have one night stands with the most attractive males then settle down with less attractive males because they are good providers
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It depends on the animal species and some animals don't even have genders to be able to follow that. Stop trying to apply what you learnt of birds to everything
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because men show off to women with money and utility, showing their social status.
having a peacock tail wouldn't be very advantageous to a female.
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>>7769482
you realize "attractive" means "most likely to ensure successful reproduction", right?
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Google 'sexual selection'.
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>>7769482
Because we can communicate which let's it go both ways.
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>>7769534
Two kinds of attractive.
First ensures successful offspring, which to humans correlates more with physical attributes. This is why white guys and black girls are shit outta luck in the presence of black guys and white girls.

Second ensures success for the organism itself, which to humans correlates more with social status. This is why black guys are shit outta luck in the presence of white guys.

They're not mutually exclusive of course, in that we have some genetic predisposition to value social status for successful offspring that's unrelated to physical attributes. But valuing physical attributes has been naturally selected for hundreds of millions of years, whereas social factors present in human populations are pretty new.
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>>7769482
What the fuck are you talking about, you delusional cuck? It is exactly the same in the human world.
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>>7770665
Bitter virgin detected
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>>7770910
It's scientifically proven.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.703/abstract;jsessionid=78379BBA08C01FFC7F9E08F208C4E1DA.f04t03
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236116728_Women_want_taller_men_more_than_men_want_shorter_women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7TcSr9GiM
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayrecord&uid=2011-14970-006
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Attractive women only exist to get men hard. That's why they exist. To give men a boner and to provide a hole to ejaculate in. A man does not need a woman to survive in nature. Arguably a woman needs a man to survive in nature. Society and social structure benefits women far more than it benefits men, although both genders/sexes/whateverit'scallednow (LOL FUCKING SJWs) obviously benefit from social structures.

So, when it comes to "attractiveness", the attractiveness of a woman is far less useful than the attractiveness of a man. Think about it. The stereotypically attractive man (rugged, robust, etc.) is the ultimate primate. He can lift heavy rocks. He can cut down trees. He can do shit. The stereotypically attractive female...exists to arouse that attractive man so he can inseminate her.

The dimorphism is quite beautiful, actually. You have to admire the sexual strategy women have. It's worked for hundreds of thousands of years, and feminists today want to bring that strategy to an end. It's going to backfire on them, eventually.
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Becouse humans aren't cucks.
Literally.
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>>7770923
>Women_want_taller_men_more_than_men_want_shorter_women
Is this why so many tall men resort to gooks?
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>>7770972
German guy here. I disagree.
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>>7769482

Because in the animal world females actually do shit like build nests, gather food, take care of their young. In the human sphere females don't do a fucking thing other than at most pluck their eyebrows and draw them back in with a pencil while a man has to work himself to death trying to provide a living for everyone in the family.
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>>7770660
>being a cuck
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>>7770945
this
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>>7769482

It's probably because the females in our species are dependent on the males. In most hunter gatherer societies women consume more food than they bring home and are dependent on men for protection. A man can only support a limited number of females so women have evolved to compete for male attention.
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>>7772133

Sexist pig! Prehistoric women were strong and didn't need no man!
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>>7772139
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>>7772141
There is a get coming up
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>>7772144
nwww
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>>7772133

this
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>>7769534
>you realize "attractive" means "most likely to ensure successful reproduction", right?
No.

Attractive means "*appears* "most likely to ensure successful reproduction". Appearances are deceptive especially as there is a drive to inseminate no matter the success rate.
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>>7774277
after thousands to millions of years given the stability of the species, "appearance" is highly correlated with actual ability, you might be astonished to find..
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>>7774287
Well, except in the case of animal mimicry.
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you're wrong
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>>7769482
OP is at the same time right and wrong...

etologist, like you, forget to keep in mind that human are no fully driven by animal instinct.

if i had to put a simple rule on it, it would be the following :

- instinct is inhibited by intelligence/education.

so more intelligent/educated you are, less your instinct will guide you.

and so the more stupid/uneducated you are, more your instinct will guide you.

and even this rule do not take into account tradition or alike that even monkey can follow
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>>7770660
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>>7769482
selection goes both ways . its not the opposite in the human world , while in the human world threres culture and the idea of being a couple and 'love' , if you controlled all other variables every man and woman would choose to reproduce with a more attractive mate .
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>>7769482
>In the animal world, females choose the most attractive males for mating
thats just not true
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>>7769482
The females are showing off their physical reproductive qualities.


Men simply have to show off the ability to provide for young and give the female a good life

pic related describes human mating perfectly.
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>>7769482


women want to be entertained, which means at the very least being fucked properly by whoever they want, then still being entertained afterwards, which is where money counts to since it cost and arm and a leg to distract any girl.
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>>7775880
women evolved to be whores, what else is new?
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>>7770660
>>7770945
most men seek validation of their existence as a response from what they conceive as the reality, validation which is the most intense through taking women, after women have accepted them to be satisfied by them, and nowadays making women explicitly wet.
these men are devoted to women. of course, most women snub most men, since women live for pleasures, being hedonistic-histrionics-egotistic but not narcissistic, which excludes, most of the time, what they consider poor or ugly men since they will never as much pleasure to her as other men.
Only the woman is able to have pleasure for pleasure itself.

higher men are narcissistic, they do not seek validation from somebody else, even less a woman, without being egotistic, but the woman takes this narcissism as her egotism, which thus draws her to these men, for each woman knows that her best lovers are not the puny devoted men, but precisely are her fantasy of men like her, but not like her either !, which means just as egotistic as her, without being narcissistic.

the problem of the woman is that men cannot be ''egotistic without being narcissistic'' (only the woman is this). men cannot be histrionics-egotistic in fact.
the problem of women is that narcissistic men are not egotistic so that they take the woman for what she is, to wit, pure (external) entertainment.
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You guys need to get out more, for starters everyone is illogical to some degree we're all emotional creatures it doesnt matter who you are you can be a nuclear scientist or some chemist cooking up your new drug your subconscious mind will overpower your so called "intelligence". Before judging others take a good look at yourself too because thoughts like "females go for this and that" sounds so ridiculously stupid that it makes me cringe. Get laid. Please.
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>>7770945
This is a male who does not know himself, nor the world. Or he's just defective in some way.

Male sexual selection is just as complex. Looks and emotional appeal is certainly part of it, these act as signals about genetic fitness. However an equal part of it is finding a female that can be trusted not only to aid you in producing quality offspring, but be trusted to manage resources and raise them properly. Ideally. Or you'll just get sick of each other, divorce, and bicker for years whenever you're forced to see each other.

Ideally each party is relatively competent, and finds a situation wherein they can act genuinely. This type of bonding provides new perspectives and stress relief, which makes the organism function better in myriad ways. Ideally it's not just you doing the fucking either. I'd imagine it can be nice to have a bit of being fucked too, or better yet, fucking "with" someone. Having children is an engineering project that does not end at conception. You're looking for someone to raise them properly as well.

22 year old virgin male here. It's easy to delude yourself into thinking you've got it all figured out and are being "objective" and "realistic", and to become bitter. But this truth you think you have is wanting at best.
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