>>7756366 What the fuck you talking about? I'm a CS major and university is hard as fuck. They force us to take math classes with letters instead of numbers and we have to write fizzbuzz programs. Only the smartest students can do this.
Yeah fuck you guys. My CS degree requires complicated subject matter like feedback control of dynamical systems, numerical analysis in the context of optimization. Alternatively, You can also take the machine learning track. Something that takes you into stochastic analysis, NLP, and DSP
>posts a picture of students guzzling beer >implies marination of brain tissue might be a factor >doesn't realize that states have gradually raised the drinking age from 18 to 21 in the past few decades
>>7756403 I didn't mean to imply CS is a shit degree. Great degrees exist and many CS majors are very smart. Lots of CS majors basically learn to code business apps in Java and little else, though, and that's a shame.
I think there were some studies done that determined that alcohol could harm a person disproportionately, the younger they were, all the way up to age 21-25ish by interfering with the body and brain's early development. So that's why they banned it at those ages I think.
There are an ever reducing number of top tier jobs and research positions. The rise of the East will cut these more. University education is now a banking function, get the proles in debt at a young age.
>>7756403 >feedback control of dynamical systems, numerical analysis in the context of optimization. I've taken those classes, they aren't that hard. CS majors sure are good at making themselves sound smart.
>>7756378 I know you are being sarcastic, but my friend unironically said to me "I'm good at math but once you add the alphabet I don't understand shit" he's 24 and is planning to go to CS after next summer. he's just doing it for vidya
>>7756366 Absolutely not. Ask your professors what GPAs they had to get into grad school. The answer is normally a 3.2 or a 3.3 for someplace like MIT. Now it is a 4.0 to be considered. Read biographies of famous scientists and realize how much free time they had in college. That is just in the sciences. In the other soft fields things are getting much easier. English majors no longer need to be able to read any other language besides English
>>7756517 That has to be a false flagger. I don't think a true retard can get an art degree, never mind CS. I mean, think about how retarded half the population with double digits are. Now imagine 30 points below that. Fuck no. It's a troll.
>In earlier times, a United Kingdom math degree you needed to learn german as well as part of the curriculum (because fuck, germany dominated the math domain back then) >Funny enough they don't have to learn german anymore in math nowadays in UK
>>7756565 It used to be the case that you needed to be able to read German to do any worthwhile scientific research because so much was published in German. Then shortly after WW2, speaking German was made illegal for a while in many states of the US (land of the free, lol). This put a significant dent in German being used in scientific papers, because no American scientists wanted to be caught with a bunch of papers written in German. It never really recovered, and English is now the primary language for scientific papers.
>>7756709 >https://www.coursera.org/course/abortion >44 million abortions were done in 2008
For fucks sake /sci/, hold me. I was all for abortion because I thought it was a good solution for little mistakes. I thought that at most like 100 women would have abortions because you can just fucking buy condoms but ffs...
44 million? IN 2008? How many were performed in 2015? I don't even want to think about.
And what is even worse >I thought this course was a med school class about the medical procedure of abortion. As in an actual learning process where you would be trained to perform them. >NOPE >It is some fucked up shit to rationalize abortion. >Right there it says that they will bring women who have aborted (I'm sure they were easy to find) and they will share their experiences about why it is 'ok' to abort.
NO. FUCK NO.
If you don't want a baby you SHOULD abort but you SHOULD NEVER feel proud about it and rationalize it.
Can you imagine, 5 years after graduating. Waiting for the interviewer to finish reading your resume when he asks, "I see you have the degree 'GaGa for Gaga: Sex, Gender, and Identity,' and I was wondering how you think this will help with your job here at Express Scripts?"
>>7756842 >Not like those babies are alive anyway But they could have been and that is the point.
You should not feel good about there being that many abortions. Abortion should be permitted but it is morally wrong.
If you ask why then it begins with the circumstances that cause it. You must have unprotected sex with someone you don't plan to have a family with.
Have all the one night stands you want, fuck all the guys you want but at least fucking tell him to pull out or even better. Get a condom.
Not only do you prevent the future abortion but you also save yourself from AIDS but assuming you are a feminist you already got a new evolved strand of AIDS inside of you from all the time its been there.
Seriously, you should respect human lives. And I respect the life of an adult woman more than that of a baby, there is a point where we should examine the causes of the problem and you don't want to do that, for some reason.
>>7756864 Republicans hate abortion. Maybe for the wrong reasons (religious bullshit) but at least they would do something about the increasing numbers of abortions.
As we have seen in this thread, democrats have been completely desensitized from it.
Just take a look at this quote from an anon above > Not like those babies are alive anyway
How fucked up is that? To not even care a little bit about what could have been?
Maybe not Trump but whoever the republican candidate ends up being will definitely be my vote, at least this 2016. After the abortion trends decrease I will happily accept my sexy bernie sanders again.
>>7756878 >you disagree with the main reason for getting one
No, I don't. I think that abortion is justified in ANY ocassion because if even one of the parents doesn't want the baby then there is no reason to have it.
What I am opposing is your careless attitude about it. You should happily parade around with increasing abortion figures.
You are a feminist right? Then why don't you teach your fellow feminists about safe sex?
Even better, why instead of fucking around with man hating women studies courses don't you get a 'College sex-ed' class.
Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean that you should feel good about doing it. You shouldn't feel shame either but being happy about it is disgusting.
Safe sex is better for anyone. Are you sure you've ever had sex before? Do you really not care about getting AIDS from a partner?
From what I can gather there are two possibilities 1- You are a virgin (I am not shaming you, btw) but I remember when I was in my teens the girls would get so paranoid about it they would cry and would repeatedly ask me if I really pulled out.
2- You are the kind of person who thinks 'If something happens, I'll go abort it so why worry now.'
>>7756366 >was interested in programming as a kid >read lots of books and learned a lot of C while still in High School >was going to go to college for computer engineering >got a job in construction >got laid off along with everyone else >go on neetbux cause socially autistic and hate leaving the house >living the easy life
>>7756817 Because ISIS want to attack America, that's me, I like my head where it is. On the other hand it's to late for me to be aborted and unwanted kids are generally a burden to society, that's also me family.
>>7756366 High school was dumbed down when they mandated that everyone get a high school diploma or GED
Now when they make college >free, it'll be dumbed down too since everyone will need to get a degree. I really can't wait to see what life is like when society pushes for everyone to be a PhD student, and the norm is being in school until you're 30, over a third of the average lifespan of an American. That'll certainly do wonders on the economy.
>>7756478 Exactly. After all, that's what school makes you become. Go there as a good guy who wants to learn, exits from there as a guy who only thinks about competition, is greedy and try to *sound* smart.
Precisely; I saw something recently saying the AVERAGE GPA at some top-notch university was something like a 3.2. Anybody who gets a B- anymore whines to their parents who threaten the life of the professor or TA, so they just pass out As and Bs and the already Special-snowflake Millennials think they are Einsteins which of course they have been told since the first time they pooped in the potty.
>>7756780 Yes STDSU CS majors are basically pure shit. I can't tell you how many grads from your school I've had to turn down after interviewing them for even entry level software engineering positions.
SDSU is good for real engineering, def not CS. You should have gone to a UC for that.
Some fields are getting harder, as we know more, and every field is getting more technical in the amount of computer/Internet knowledge required.
However, lots of things are also dumbed down--lots more videos where they used to have to read 30 boring, small-print pages with just a few diagrams--this aids in learning, no question, but it is also "easier" on the brain and doesn't "stretch" it as much.
Codes of conduct and hand-holding at universities, of students who are supposedly adults, get more and more ridiculous every few years, making all older than the current crop of Special Snowflakes TOPKEK at the First-World Angst "suffered" by the little shits.
And, more and more degrees are dropping core requirements like Math for every graduate, Shakespeare for every English major, etc, that you would pretty much expect to be part of a "basic" college education, at least at a decent school.
>>7757371 This right here is the real evil. Fucking absolute bullshit. Yeah that data entry job? 4 year degree in whatever the fuck required. I swear I hope those companies are getting kickbacks from the banks on all that sweet loan interest.
As for this little gem: >You are a feminist right? Then why don't you teach your fellow feminists about safe sex? What makes you think that feminists are the ones having unsafe sex? The people most unlikely to not have safe sex are the ones that have had abstinence only education, which feminists are usually opposed to.
The people having unsafe sex and getting the abortions later are most often the ones that already think those things are wrong.
>And where exactly would we put an extra 44 million people every single YEAR
You seem to misunderstand the reasons people get abortions. If the 44 million women who got abortion had used protection, the baby wouldn't exist either.
>>7757558 I don't have anything against muslims but as it has been shown that ISIS has many inside people everywhere (remember france?) I think it is better to be cautious. I mean, when there is a virus outbreak we keep the people with the virus away. Why don't we do the same in times of war?
>>7757714 I'm tired of saying I'm not but if I was so what?
Does that make you win this argument? No, it doesn't.
We are having a discussion here, at least try. I am not dismissing the other posters for being feminists. I am listening to them, even if I don't agree with their demographic at large, so that I can personally address their own mistakes.
>>7757716 >I don't have anything against muslims but as it has been shown that ISIS has many inside people everywhere (remember france?) I think it is better to be cautious. I mean, when there is a virus outbreak we keep the people with the virus away. Why don't we do the same in times of war? No one hates Muslims it's all leftist rhetoric while conservatives are trying to solve the real issues.
Like when Cameron said, maybe instead of: >Encouraging millions to undertake a dangerous and illegal journal where thousands drown to end up unsustainable overpopulated one area. >Letting in a self-declared ISIS fifth column trying to terrorise Europe. >Gradually replacing Western culture with Islam just because of muh globalism
We should put all money towards building refugee camps in Syria, which would be better long term for the country to eventually rebuild instead of living in French and German ghettos.
And then he got shouted down as a racist and Islamophobe despite nearly all "moderate" Syrians agreeing with him.
>>7757716 Look, I don't even consider myself a feminist, but this whole 'revelation' you're having about abortion is really fucking dumb.
If you're opposed to abortion, be opposed to abortion. If you're for abortion, then great! But this bizarre thing that you're doing with the hand wringing and moralfagging should probably stop, because it's incredibly annoying.
As to your last post about how terrible feminism is, so what? Do we judge every group of people by the dumbest/most extreme member of that group?
Feminism is a pretentious ouroboros that contributes nothing useful to academia, but if you really think that what you linked is representative of mainstream feminism then I don't really know what to say to you.
The most ridiculous thing about all of this is that most feminists would probably agree with this: >Having abortion to save families from financial hell is good. Having safe sex to prevent abortions it better. which seems to be your main thesis, so I honestly have no idea why you picked them as your enemies. Unless that isn't what you actually think. And you're just a troll from /pol/. And I've wasted all this time arguing with someone that's being dishonest and disingenuous.
Based on the fact that he thinks abortions are fucked? Go find footage of an abortion taking place and try not to grimace, now consider the facility with which these are performed for the average dumbslut and consider again if that guy's reaction is really that outlandish.
/sci/ is fucking stupid. You sound like you have autism in the non 4chan sense of the word.
>>7757745 >If you're opposed to abortion, be opposed to abortion. If you're for abortion, then great!
So it is all black and white to you? There is no middle ground.
Abortion is sound as a concept but I am not happy about the number of abortions being performed. That shows that there is a problem in our society that I believe involves a lot of women (and men too, bla bla bla) being careless about their sexual interactions and sexual safety.
Why do I pick feminists as my enemies? Well, I didn't pick them. They found me.
>>7757745 >muh no real scotsman kek they're not the "dumbest/most extreme member of that group", they're members of that group equal to other members of that group, you're making them sound like they must be outliers merely because they have an extreme opinion do you have any studies backing up your claims? If you don't, then you have no right to tell what is an outlier and what isn't
>>7756820 >wanting better education >government school system
Government schooling was designed to raise a strong and obedient working class as well as a deep pool of dead-end futured young men to feed a large military.
When you play on the global field you need to design your way to success. Manipulating culture through the controlled teaching of youth is common practice.
>We need to start teaching better morals to our children >I want better education for the children >Am I part of the problem? >Should I vote republican this year?
The two party system is an illusion of choice. Who controls the children control the future and the last biggest change was a nationwide curriculum overhaul called "No Child Left Behind" pushed through by Bush that forced all schools and teachers to run off of the same script. The only good teachers go against the rules and try to fit their own curriculum around it.
Home school and maybe barely private school is the only way to change the future. Well, and talking to people as a reasonable human being.
Everyone in this thread whining that college is too easy and that universities have courses that sound (or are) dumb doesn't understand the point of college. College is the first time that you, as a student, choose to apply yourself to a discipline. If you choose to do the bare minimum and graduate: that's not difficult.
If you choose to really dig into your chosen field and do top notch work -- THAT is much more difficult and in that regard universities are still tough. Take a few grad level courses during your undergraduate: you'll get a decent mark regardless (because grades don't matter in grad school) but you're going to be pushed towards the deep end of your discipline. If you think college is dumbed down (or to easy), stare yourself down in the mirror and kick up your game.
>>7757825 This is why school systems punish schools and students.
>We expected your school to maintain high levels in math and reading/writing after we bused in the inner city kids. Since you can't maintain those desired levels, we're cutting the art, exercise, sports, media and field trips funding until those levels are met.
And then that school goes to shit and they star busing to the next. Saves the district money, solves the ethnic quotas and creates a bunch of kids who have no creativity or critical thinking skills. All these kids do is study arithmetic, socialist approved books and essay structure. Which is a waste of any layperson's time.
>>7758139 >Everyone in this thread whining that college is too easy and that universities have courses that sound (or are) dumb doesn't understand the point of college. College is the first time that you, as a student, choose to apply yourself to a discipline. If you choose to do the bare minimum and graduate: that's not difficult.
>college should put no effort in educating you >lel just self study and pay 5 grand a semester for nothing fuck off kike.
>>7758251 The biggest value of a college or university is access to resources. Period.
If you take general chemistry at, say, uMass and Harvard, you're ultimately going to learn most of the same material. Why on earth would you pay Harvard more money when you learn the same things? Because Harvard also has access to elite researchers across all of chemistry [not so at uMass] so that, if you choose to apply yourself and push on to graduate level courses or pursue independent research, you can learn far, far more with the resources at your disposal. uMass can't afford an instrument you need to test your hypothesis? Harvard can.
So yeah, you can wait for the TA and look at the beautiful poopy that you made and praise you as he wipes your ass, or you can take advantage of the resources at your disposal and make something of yourself.
>>7757896 >kids go through 13 years of public schooling just to come out of it with not one marketable skill. Not once in 13 years do you get assigned a single day to shadow a mechanic, geologist, or doctor.
>The system is fucked way deeper than at the college level.
Schooling is an egregious crime against humanity.
In the USA is nothing more than a gladitorial arena pitting kids against other kids to grade and sort them to deliver them as "Resources" into an economy which is fundamentally destroying life
Thinking you're only at university "to learn" something is immature and naive, you pay for the opportunity to make something of yourself, not for a lecturer to read slides adapted from the textbook to you.
Seriously lectures are a small, largely irrelevant part of university. You're not in high-school anymore.
>>7756658 >http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/research-shows-intelligent-people-stay-up-late-do-more-drugs-and-have-more-sex/ >intelligent people do more drugs If anything, it's just to stand the pain of being surrounded by retarded people all day, every day.
Coddled child generation is now in higher learning Higher learning is getting more and more expensive B-phobia keeps a lot of people out of hard classes for the sake of GPA and to the detriment of having fewer people in harder majors Easy STEM majors are now getting oversaturated ...In short its not Universities themselves but rather the academic rigor of the student bodies. Traditionally harder classes have remained the same whereas the easy A majors tend to be saturated now, reducing their value and of course a larger size of students means you're more apt to find some very vocal stupid ones.
>>7756366 Yes! In America, most of the doctorates are foreign born. Americans can't keep up because everyone thinks that institutions are the only way to do things. Everyone forgot that there's a public library in almost every town. I spend my time in a giant library when I can and I've learned enough on my chosen subjects to kick some ass on a university level. The only downside to this is that I don't get to Have the network of connections a college or frat boy has. Fraternities... that's another subject on another board, for another time. Come back next week when I unveil my laser
>>7760083 It's funny how english books about CS seem quite easier than the ones in my native language (german). Somehow the german authors are trying to sound extra-intelligent and try to over-phrase and complicate the matter with their choice of words on a high level.
I have a book about quantum chemistry by Eyring, Walter and Kimball, 1944 (I think). I haven't read it all and it is definitely more physics/math oriented than what I am used to (chem major) but it doesn't seem harder than what they taught us, just more indepth.
>>7756366 Certainly. University education is becoming more and more average, professors are passing lazy students that shouldn't, grades are inflating (more so at private schools) and so is the cost of attending.
I really wish that public schools would give students proper education regarding finance and encourage them to work and commute at the same time, if so they choose, rather than gain a ton of debt in a degree with poor prospects.
>>7758657 Could you expand on these subject matters? I'm a computer science graduate, I studied at Newcastle university in the UK and we didn't have any of these modules on our course, however it's most likely that they had different names.
By basic scientific computation do you mean basic mathematics? I'm trying to match up similarities with the course that I took.
Also, by numerical analysis are you referring to analysis of alogrithms using big oh notation to find their complexity?
A lot of you people seem to be mentioning a lot of things that have little to do with computer science but more to do with what seems like an engineering disipline.
>>7756825 >http://thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fillis/2014/05/23-quotes-from-feminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/ >The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. >If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males >Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release >http://www.mrctv.org/blog/feminist-writer-wants-put-men-some-kind-camp >“I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back.” >I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually
Numerical analysis is mostly stuff like root finding, function approximations, numerical differentiation, numerical integration, numerical ODEs and PDEs solvers, curve fitting and splines, or numerical matrix manipulation.
>but more to do with what seems like an engineering discipline
Because the only way to make CS look good is to pretend that it's the higher level stuff in CpE.
Being the dumb fucking kid I was, I did absolutely nothing during my first attempt at a bachelor, and got kicked the fuck out after two years. My grades were so bad no university wanted me, except for one, which thankfully lowered their standards to the ground and allowed thrice as many students as they usually do for the program I applied for. Now I'm doing well, scoring above 90% in almost all classes while the average lies around 50 to 60%. If it weren't for universities getting dumbed down, I would have been stuck flipping burgers for the rest of my life.
Thank you Mr Director. Hope you are enjoying your increased influx of cash from rich kids who will drop from uni after the first year.
Now ask yourself what do biology, arts and CS have in common
[notsosubtlescispoiler] THEY ARE EASY AS FUCK [/notsosubtlescispoiler]
Another difference is that they are filled with underachieving fags who literally just wanted an easy ride through university to get a degree and then be able to just get a meaningless job to sustain their meaningless lives.
There was a study that showed that in this decade there has been a 400% increase in the amount of people who enroll in CS programs.
Who do you think all these people are? Did a huge group of people suddenly become passionate about the subject? No, CS has a big market so it attracted a bunch of fags who just want easy money. They have no talent or passion, just like you.
>>7756522 before going to the bachelor/master system some german physics diplome had an average of 1.1 (1 the best and 5 the worst). AVERAGE! now my uni is more at 2.3-2.4 average, with less free time and fuller schedules. But the graduates are way less skilled and capable than the old Dipl. Physiker.
>>7763180 And the you actually believe that the other 1000 guys per university were also programming since 13 and have an actual interest in the subject? No.
You are the 1%. Everyone else just wants a nice job and that is why there is a stereotype of CS majors being majorly dumb.
Also, what do you call ez pz light courseload? I take as much classes per semester as a CS major and I even do classes that go beyond the complexity of any CS class by a freaking long shot. I'd like to see a CS major do analysis and topology.
>>7763190 Make more $? I doubt it. First because I will be doing a 'CS job' when I graduate in the company I was an intern for last year. Second because many jobs for math majors have 100k salaries, not only software development.
And I don't see how that article applies to me or anyone. I don't do physics (and i'd never do physics, for fucks sake, you'd have to be braindead) and I will never, ever get a PhD. It is just retarded in this economy.
The only way I'd get a PhD is if my employer told me to do so and paid for it too, otherwise it is retarded.
Also, both of you. This is the discussion you are having right now
I say: >CS is piss easy and CS majors are shit
>W-well... you are worse than CS majors!
What do you accomplish? You are attacking other majors but not actually defending computer science as an academic choice.
It sounds like you agree with me and you also think that CS was a big mistake but are comforting yourself with whatever shit argument you can get your hands on.
And a last point:
A software company starts hiring. They get 100 applications from CS majors and just one from a mathematics majors. Assuming they all have the same academic achievements who do you think they are going to hire?
Remember that they already have a bunch of CS majors in their company so why hire more of the same.
>>7763218 Math, CS and physics majors all have lighter courseloads than engineers, but this might just be due to the legal status of professional accreditation in Canada.
CS majors into computer graphics will learn quite a bit of topology, although not to the same rigour as a math major, but they'll have to understand a lot of the less general proofs as topology is not exactly a plug-n-chug subject.
and like other anon said, some CS majors take real analysis, it's got its uses in complexity theory, though complex analysis is far more useful for CEs dealing with hardware and signals processing.
>>7763218 >Assuming they all have the same academic achievements, who do you think they are going to hire? The guy who writes better code, has better personal projects and solves algorithmic challenges better.
>>7763251 I agree with all you say really. But I'd bet that the people who take these rigorous courses are the majority. With, as I said, a 400% growth of CS majors (and with an increasing trend, can't wait to see 2016 statistics) I can't believe that ALL of them are good at math. I would even bet that most of them take the easy electives to just graduate easily.
However, I would respect any CS major who can into 'high' level math.
>>7763253 Yeah but as a math major, I have a very clean coding style, have plenty of personal projects for windows, linux, iOS, android and web and I can do all the challenges people post on /g/ with ease. Any math major with the same aspirations as myself will also have these skills.
So again I ask, who are they going to hire. Another CS guy who knows just as much and the same as every other employee or someone with a different/diverse set of skills that might expand the reach of the team.
I think we all know what is the answer. This is also why physics majors get jobs at major software companies with ease.
Honestly, now that everyone and their mom has a CS degree, the value of it is really decaying,
>>7756366 In terms of education? Not really. In terms of everything else? Yes.
Why? Simple: The degree-awarding university initially formed around a desire propagate the dominican spirit of higher-education; this means theology, art, science etc. In the secular world, the sciences are seen as more important than the humanities (partly because the empirical mind perceives the humanities to be an abstraction upon the sciences), and so rather than having the emphasis on the student's ultimate spiritual identity, universities now have this awkward fixation on highly technical material. As a result, it becomes harder and harder to find real professionals with real domain expertise, instead we have a bunch of specializing idiots who think their opinions matter outside of their own field or subfield. Mathematicians think they're philosophers, CS major think they're engineers, law/finance/economics majors think they're politicians and so forth.
>>7763261 >Yeah but as a math major, I have a very clean coding style, have plenty of personal projects for windows, linux, iOS, android and web and I can do all the challenges people post on /g/ with ease. Any math major with the same aspirations as myself will also have these skills.
Right, but there's a certain class of people (ahem, physics graduates) who do not have this depth/breadth of experience but assume their 1000-line Fortran project qualifies them to work on teams with rigourous specification and testing standards.
A lot of companies are not willing to take risks on those kind of cowboy coders who will introduce stack-smashing bugs into production software. But a lot are on the off chance of finding someone who's really damn good. I know a 10x software engineer who has a history degree, for christ's sake.
You also have a good point that companies are valuing domain expertise in addition to programming skills more and more, but there's nothing precluding a CS grad from learning about finance or computational biology either.
And there's also this rampant field-elitism where everyone who has specialized in one field will look down onto and ridicule all the other fields, without actually knowing much about the field they're shittalking
I doubt that even 50% of all those CS majors actually care about the subject. It is simply impossible. Unless a CS mental virus infected the teenage population and made them suddenly like programming it is impossible for such growth to be possible if we assume that none of them are just there to 'just graduate'.
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