Suggest books that should be obligatory reading for everyone before they turn 25.
Everyone, regardless of profession and goals?
Not even kidding. It will teach you ethics, including work ethics, how to lift and do it properly, and how to think about thinking.
Of course they are many more great books out there, but they branch out, depending on your goals.
I was required to read The Hobbit by my father.
This is all that you need, OP. Everything else is a lie.
This is actually a pretty good and serious advice if you're into Philosophy, particularly Ethics and Philosophy of Religion. Reading the original texts, plus some influential works written by popes and philosophers in Christianity and some Hadith and books talking about such topics and discussing them, is better than reading a textbook and what have you. If you really wanna get into it, reading the big guys in Philosophy (Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, etc.) will help you understand how such religions and religious ideas were shaped through the ages as well.
>not Casanova's autobiography
If there's any single serious advice on this post, it's this. Dostoyevsky's works are the topnotch of Russian literature.
>my post suggesting Bible and Quran was deleted
Why? Agree with the religion that spawned them or not, I would be well justified in calling them the two most influential books written. For millennia. Honestly, their influence is all around you and everything is filled with references to them.
Or is everything even hinting at religion considered trolling?
> There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
-- John Rogers
The difficulty would be to choose ONE book only.
Go ask to /lit/, shitstorm guaranteed.
I genuinely don't think a stem book is the right answer, you need sthg more universal.
I borrowed this from the library. Is this hardcover custom made or is it the default one?
H. Jerome Keisler's Elementary Calculus: An Infinitesimal Approach
Young and Freedman's University Physics with Modern Physics
Brown et al., Chemistry: The Central Science
Needham's Visual Complex Analysis
Seeing as how we're not limiting ourselves to specific topics:
Any economics text written be a reputable author. Ideally, you'd want this to cover both introductory micro and macro, as well as statistics.
Once bought one of the books and I'm peeking into on and off when taking a shit. I left it on the toilet because it used to intimidate me immensely.
It's WAY over my head. Even the way the exercises are arranged is more than clever. Dude is a maniac in a positive sense.
no, and that is a shame, that means you won't get payed anymore if you turn out to act gay.
but if you like, you can always be labelled with some other illness. Most of them will fit your profile, it's really up to the effort of the psychologist to ask the right questions so you can fit anything you please.
every scientist loves this
If you ever want to be anything more in life than a infantile leftist SJW
I like it because it puts the farting in a submissive role. Everyone else wants to be dominated and farted on forcefully, but to be honest I prefer when they can't control the farts and are embarrassed by them. It hard to find that kind of material these days, though.
Godel, Escher, Bach
Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
The Book of Five Rings
How to Win Friends and Influence People
1984 (haven't read Brave New World yet but probably that too)
Good job anon's dad!
My choice is this. Honestly one of the emotionally deepest and varied books I have ever read.
>computer science is for people too stupid for real math/science! hehe i am smart physics major xD bazinga
>books on computer science are too hard! only people with autism could enjoy this
as my physics professor in undergrad always said
>a teachers job is not to teach
>that is a general misnomer
>a teachers job is to inspire
>learning will come naturally to those who yearn for it
>all these meme books
Okay, it's my turn to post one!
>Not accepting Thus Spoke not a literary classic
>Doesn't realize the people who enjoy Nietzsche purely because of his polemic nature completely misunderstand him
Sure he's popular with the edgy but it doesn't stop the works being great.
and your physics prof was one of those fucking stuck up arrogant academic arseholes who should not be given a teaching position. Fuck your inspiration, teach the crap the students have to know, thats what he is getting paid to do. Fucking arseholes like that make life a misery for most students.
Yeah, nah, fuck you. The bible is full of crap, blantant untruths, massive contradictions rambling bullshit and some snippets of humane common sense attributed to Jesus. Its also as boring as fuck to read.
Havent read the sand nigger version but i would guess it is much the same line of archaic hogwash.
I know this sort of Sci Fi isn't for everyone, but people should at least give it a shot. I love it.
"The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius Antoninus", or
alternatively, "On the Shortness of Life" (and other essays/letters) by Seneca.
Asimov and that sort of sci fi like Arthur C Clarke, Silverberg, etc seams to only really appeal to people interested in stem. Like you dont hear about many art majors enjoying it
This board is packed full of pseudo intellectual shits who think they're the next Steven Hawking because they can integrate equations. You shouldn't let them get to you
It's not very rigorous or well-structured, but it opened my eyes to some aspects of human interaction.
Sure, his work is a classic and pretty great, but you'd have to be very retarded to consider his work of any value but helping in shaping Zionist ideologies after his sister decided Hitler was a bless. Other than that, not much but a lot of talk about not half bad music and some oldschool emo shit.
Spivak indeed is a meme, but the book in it self still has a great value and is of enormous use for people wanting to approach calculus in a purely mathematical fashion.
>Sure, his work is a classic and pretty great, but you'd have to be very retarded to consider his work of any value but helping in shaping Zionist ideologies after his sister decided Hitler was a bless.
As a stylistic how to on polemics and by sheer influence his work has enormous value.
Your ignorance is showing. His sister was antisemitic and used his ideologies and unpublished works to put forward her beliefs. Even a basic comprehension of his work demonstrates he would have found Nazi'ism deplorable.
I do know his sister changed his work and that he didn't into Nazism. That's why I included his sister and how she thought Hitler was a bless ("after his sister decided Hitler was a bless"). Looks like you're the one in need of English lessons to boost your comprehension capabilities.
This one has worked wonders for me ;)
I see a lot of commotion about this book around here.
I'm already done with the calculi, but we used this book, which is definitely oriented more towards engineering and physics majors, and takes the "instructions manual" sort of approach to teaching math.
(I actual took calc at two different schools which used two different books, but the previous one was extremely similar to this one).
Do you folks think I'd stand to gain anything other than reinforcing things I've already learned by working through this book front to back? I found a copy online, and from just glancing at a couple of sections, I can see that it takes a much more in depth approach to explaining the concepts. Just not sure if I want to invest time into sinking my teeth into this sucker, considering that I'm done with calc.
I read that in high school. It was mostly a single paragraph's worth of information (when you consider intuition) stretched into 200 needlessly verbose pages. Can not recommend; bored the shit out of me.
He influenced the cultural movement called modernism, and also film noir. His work has had great influence aswell on philosophy, he found meaning in nihilism which was very important in his time. Honestly have you even read his books when you have this attitude? Doesn't seem likely, and no it's not becasue you have a different opinion, but that you're extremely uninformed.
Excellent book. This part always stuck with me.
Most people don't need to tell you what the main themes in Hamlet were, or point to Afghanistan on a map, or write something that's more than a page long.
Guess what? Existence as "most people" fucking sucks. Why fucking educate them at all? Teach them to read and write, then smack their dumb asses down in a job at Denny's for the rest of their life.
If you want a refresher I would buy Marsden's book "Vector Calculus". I used it for my vector calculus class, and while at the beginning I thought that the presentation of the material was a bit dry, if you are motivated, you can find that it is a well written book. As well, it's better if you are a math major, as the exercises often consists of proofs of corollaries/theorems derived from the major results presented in the book (although you always get some computation problems).
Hamlet, in a nutshell:
>Hamlet wants dat mom pussy
>Daddy Hamlet's gone. Ready for action.
>No, Uncle got his dick in before I could
>If I pretend I'm crazy, mom will suck my dick?
>Random play within a play. Woah2meta
>Ophelia, bitch plz an hero
>If I can't have momcest, no one can.
>Everyone dies except Horatio and that one guy trying to take over Denmark that no one cares about for some reason.
>"Goodnight sweet prince"
Why do we read this again?
Don't forget Hamlet being a tremendous pussy, or Ophelia's dad being a conniving old fart. And all the sex jokes.
>Why do we read this again?
Because it's a goddamn masterpiece. Watch a good Hamlet production and tell me I'm wrong.
Incest by de Sade
Justine by de Sade
Lolita by Nabokov
The Theban Plays series (Most notable is Oedipus Rex) by Sophocles
The Divine Comedy series (Most notable is Inferno) by Alighieri
War and Peace by Tolstoy
King Lear by Shakespeare
Paradise series (Most notable is Paradise Lost) by Milton
City of God by Augustine of Hippo
Ninety-Five Theses by Luther
Civil Disobedience (A 28 pages essay) by Thoreau
Confessions by Augustine of Hippo (Almost all of his works)
The Hunchback of Notre-Dame by Hugo
The D'Artagnan Romances series (Most notable is The Three Musketeers and The Man in The Iron Mask) by Dumas
The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky
Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky
The Idiot by Dostoyevsky (Pretty much all of his work)
I have much more shit of value that would make literature class in school a bit more endurable. If only they gave you the good works and not the absolute horrible satire that is held so dear to the heart of retards (See: Romeo and Juliet), maybe taking literature would have been excusable.
I liked that one as well. The 'darker' works of his seem to appeal to me more than the bulk of his popular work.
The Principia Mathematica by Newton and Leibniz or the Principia Mathematica by Whitehead and Russell. Both are godly, to be honest, but I preferred Russell's work as it's unusual and way less known (I'm sorry for my /mu/tant preference).
>Incest by de Sade
>Justine by de Sade
>Lolita by Nabokov
>The Theban Plays series (Most notable is Oedipus Rex) by Sophocles
>The Divine Comedy series (Most notable is Inferno) by Alighieri
>War and Peace by Tolstoy
>King Lear by Shakespeare
>Paradise series (Most notable is Paradise Lost) by Milton
>City of God by Augustine of Hippo
>Ninety-Five Theses by Luther
>Civil Disobedience (A 28 pages essay) by Thoreau
>Confessions by Augustine of Hippo (Almost all of his works)
>The Hunchback of Notre-Dame by Hugo
>The D'Artagnan Romances series (Most notable is The Three Musketeers and The Man in The Iron Mask) by Dumas
>The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky
>Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky
>The Idiot by Dostoyevsky (Pretty much all of his work)
youre alright with me anon
Of course. Provided you understand the stoic concept of God i.e. it's congruence with nature, or at least Marcus' understanding and interpretation of this, it proves to be an interesting and overall pragmatic framework of mind from which to work from.
He's the dude that brought Ramanujen to Cambridge, isn't he? Nonetheless, pretty cool guy, he also made a review on Whitehead and Russell's Principia Mathematica. Here's the review if anyone's interested: http://www.metafilter.com/107360/GH-Hardy-reviews-Principia-Mathematica (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ns441/files/hardy-principia.pdf).
>An old book is an old book and it is of no value
That's like saying Newton's Principia or Archimedes's Palimpsest (The method, etc.) is of no value to modern mathematics.
>inb4 economics are inconsistent
Still doesn't mean reading Marx's Communist Manifesto or Hobbes's Leviathan is a waste of time and is just bullshit.
Anything about Evolutionary biology. Reading Buss' work changed how I look at the world; but I guess Pinker, R. Wright, Tooby, Dawkins, N Wade, etc. would do too.
On the contrary, a lot of modern economics is to The Wealth of Nations what alchemy is to Chemistry.
The Wealth of Nations is the founding of modern economics that explains some pretty basic rules; todays gospels that debt is good, spending is endless, and everything can be deteremined by government, is where the mystical nonsense lies.
Communist Manifesto doesn't even try to be intellectual. It's just propaganda to rile up the working class.
Das Kapital tries to be academic though it is still shit-tier and has no relevance to modern economics. Many of its ideas are so laughably wrong (e.g. labor theory of value) a 13-year-old could've been the author.
According to the public, the most influential book is Darwin's Origin of Species, followed by the Holy Bible and the Quran, then Marx's Communist Manifesto, Plato's Republic and Orwell's 1984.
The only work of Augustine to appear is his Confession, ranked 73rd, and nothing else in the top 100. Paradise Lost by Milton ranked 44th. Did I mention that the only work of Plato that made it there was his Republic? Nonetheless, Hobbes's Leviathan was 82nd, Dante's Divine Comedy was 25th, followed by Hitler's Mein Kampf, Summa Theologica ranked 81st, Luther's Ninety-Five Theses ranked 13th, and, apparently, the most influential work of Aristotle is his poems, ranked 64th, followed by nothing else in the top 100.
Now if this list represents what the public actually thinks, then we're pretty much fucked. Over half of what's on the list are novels/stories, more than half of which are 18th-20th century novels/stories.
P. W. Atkins, Physicsl Chemistry
This thread has really been useless thusfar.
Some people suggest books, others in turn bash them. There is no "definitive /sci/ reading list". Some people like reading Dante, Virgil or Milton, other think it's outdated religious bullcrap. Rand and Nietzsche are loved and hated with great passion.
The only books to which there is some consensus are:
Asimov - Foundation
Plato - Republic
most of the elementary science texts of the 50-70's are good. They were written when "average" people just went into the trades with a HS diploma and still made a good living, so the only ones getting into STEM were the people with the aptitude and passion for it. Its why that book reads like a book, instead of plug n chug stereo instructions.
All of those suck. The only ones that aren't storybooks are SICP and GEB. GEB is shit, it has an "allegory" between each chapter and takes forever to say anything profound. SICP isn't as bad, it's probably the only one that doesn't belong on your list of shit books not to read, but it's also not /sci/. It doesn't teach a true lambda calculus and focuses on developing programmer skills.
Keislers infinitesimal calculus is definitely some cool shit. I think the foundations book he wrote is good too. Robinson's original book is also good but much deeper and much more difficult (it also requires a lot more background).
The only other one I've read was the central science which seemed like a pretty standard chemistry text, which is to say I don't remember anything amazing about it.
The rest of this thread minus a few exceptions seems to be mostly trolls, /lit/, /pol/, and /g/.
Actually though I made my whole family watch it and it change the dynamic of our relationships for the better. Just made communication more fluid. Really great stuff the way it undermines religion as a spiritual experience
To become acquainted with at least some of the major works of western literature:
Old Testament (KJV)
Shakespeare's major plays (Hamlet, King Lear, Anthony and Cleopatra, and Macbeth at the very least)
The Divine Comedy
The Canterbury Tales
In Search of Lost Time (if you have time it's worth it)
Gargantua and Pantagruel
The Red and the Black
Science (harder to pick for these because textbooks usually suffice):
Physics textbook (maybe Feynman, idk)
On the Origin of Species
What is Life?
One, Two Three... Infinity
The Selfish Gene
The Whole Shebang
Outside of mathematics (e.g. physics) everyone still does math in the old 1700s way with infinitesimals. That said Kreisler's calculus is better for this than Spivak since it uses infinitesimals formally via the hyper reals.
It's a proof based approach to calculus. As most /sci/ posters who actually post on topic are math majors, a proof based approach to calculus distinguishes them from their peers at university. So when you tell people to read Spivak, what you're really saying is "you should be like me."
Well no, people actually read Spivak but they're just being pretentious. The book doesn't cover most of the calculus tricks and techniques that an actual course covers and it's not quite as formal as a proper analysis text. Mostly what I see are students that haven't taken analysis and want a slightly more rigorous intro to calculus or students who got blown the fuck out by all the computations in Stewart and want a book that won't make them feel like a failure.
People know, whether they read it or don't, that Spivak and Apostol are the best, most rigorous books on calculus. I read Apostol.
Since it's just such a basic topic, it's easy to separate good and bad, easy and hard, intuitive and rigorous. It's simple, really.
Inferno is more than enough for teens. I don't expect your average normalfag to read the whole of Paradise, The Theban Plays, The Divine Comedy and The D'Artagnan Romances. I merely expect them to read the most popular works and get a feel for it.
Who the fuck said anything about being smart. Reading non-educational literature (Pretty much everything that is not a textbook) simply makes you a /lit/fag that is a bit more well informed than your average San Francisco tech hippie.
You must be feeling really insecure to ridicule people for such reasons.
Just about finished reading it. I somewhat regret reading this book because it raises a huge lot of questions (900 pages worth of the shit). Very deep and kinda traumatizing :/
>still reading books
street smarts > book smarts
prove me wrong
there was a book on Bell labs that I personally found insightful, also a book called "Branded Nation"
I guess you guys don't like Larson-Edwards