(serious) are there any US kids that are in/went to universities in other countries? How are their STEM programs?
I'm from Europe, but I went to elementary school in America. Finished highschool back in Europe and am now studying astrophysics.
also curious because I can't get into any good schools in US unless it's in some bible belt religion>science/sane state
If you really are concerned with getting into a good school (I'm assuming you mean top 10), then just go to any accredited research university that has a decent program in whatever field you want to do. Get a 3.9+ gpa, talk to faculty, get research experience, and try to stand out in your classes (but you should probably do that in your junior/senior years, your recommendations should be from your upper lvl courses). Though this is probably easier for engineering/comp sci than it is in the sciences, I think undergrad prestige matters a lot more in physics/chemistry. But trust me on this, don't go to a university in a foreign country. It'll be 10x harder to get in, as graduate schools put a large priority on US students over other uni students.
I'd poop my pants if I got into a top 100. I understand your point, though. Top class ranks are top class ranks no matter where you go.
just go to wherever you get into.. you're better off in university than not. apply anywhere you think you'll have a chance and pick your favorite out of the acceptances(still objectively good for STEM)
if you're really wanting to gtfo of dodge wherever you live then just apply to as many schools as you can afford. this is srs. wherever you get into is all you have to choose so you should apply to like 6+ schools. it's a one time cost but after you apply, you don't have much of a choice to apply again before it's too late.
TL;DR apply to as many schools as you can afford with a good idea whether or not you'll be accepted and at that point you have your pick of the litter for wherever you want to go to school
>How are their STEM programs?
more focused on the main subject.
at a college in the states, you're required to take all sorts of classes that are completely unrelated to your major.
>major in comp sci
>gotta take basic chem, phys, psych, and econ lectures
here in europe we don't waste students time with that shit.
>major in chemistry
>only non-chemistry class i have to take is a special law class that deals with legal regulations on hazardous chemicals and their handling
also, all of europe has switched to bachelor/master degrees, but there's no jobs for bachelors, so adding a master is pretty much mandatory.
not in France
broad engineering and science knowledge for two years, various things such as optics to fluid mechanics, without forgetting math and thermodynamics or chemistry and many more.
Then go in an engineering school and have fun with whatever you prefer
the point of university is to become more knowledgeable and rounded. It's not tech school.
..or you learn just as much in your field of study and then more in other subjects
>idiots like you actually think the US education system teaches less or is lazy compared to every other country
Why do you think US universities are considered to be the best on the planet?
The difficulty changes based on what college you apply to. I applied to the college of science with a 3.0 gpa and 29 act and got it rather easily. On the other hand, all my engineering friends had near 4.0 gpa's and relatively high act/SAT scores. College of science, as far as I'm concerned is easy to get into compared to college of engineering.
The point is so that you have a broad understanding of many things and can easily learn whatever you want. Tech school is where you go if you just want to learn about what your 'major' is; job school, basically.. but for more blue collar work. University isn't a fucking job placement program. (unless you do engineering partiallity)
Maybe it should be though. As engineering is being touted as having low unemployment, higher pay. Both of which encourage the media loudly blare the "We need more STEM!!!" message once a week and cause legislators to get more aggressive with job placement and financial success of college graduates.
Dudes, a grad student is NOT destined to work on a fucking technical task his whole career.
They are meant to become either academics or execs (two tracks there: manager and expert).
In both cases, it actually REALLY FUCKING HELPS A LOT if you can talk about shit other than your little area of expertise. You need to connect to people when you're not a factotum.
>except that's wrong
That's some good reasoning.
I'm doubting that you're even in university at this point if you can't see the reasoning to being a well rounded person with broad knowledge on top of your major. US schools make you work harder. Deal with it.
That's what engineers are. Are you saying engineering majors aren't masters of engineering?
US schools make you work harder by making you a well rounded individual that is knowledgeable in other things including their field of study. You think that you're a master of your field at the undergraduate level? Fuck yourself mate. You're ignorant and I'm doubting that you even attend university, and if you do then you probably shouldn't be.
I don't think so many people understand what an engineer is. Maybe it comes with the fact that fucking everyone with a technical task has some sort of engineer title, corporate-side.
Engineers need to know a lot from different fields but they're never masters of any of them. They know just enough to solve a problem. It's practically job placement in US universities.
That's not what engineers are, or didn't you tell by all the different(read specialized) types of engineers?
I don't know what kind of shitty program you follow, because I barely have time for more than one class outside of my field per semester.
>make your work harder
>curved grades, handholding, enough time to take a bunch of classes outside of your field
>thinks i'm going to argue that schools out of the US are better when the facts are everywhere/rankings are everywhere
Unless you go to Cambridge then I don't see how you think you'd win this.
It's funny that I mention Cambridge because I know for a fact that Cambridge does the same thing that American universities does by requiring other subjects.. and they're considered top 5 in the world. Isn't that weird?
>How many classes outside of the major do you think that people in the US take? It's usually one or two. do your research before posting stupid shit.
Then it's the same system, except I can pick whichever classes I choose.
>made a big case about this shit to only realize he doesn't even understand both sides of what he's making a case about
> basic math classes are pretty much focused on engineers
what the fuck are you talking about
>I just don't want to go to a state where like 1 in two people are some idiots that can't think rationally.
Based on that response, I see two options.
1. You are literally stupider than shit.
2. You can't even get into these schools so you're being sour grapes.
Actually, it's probably both.
>smart motivated students like myself
>openly telling everyone that you're smart and motivated
>openly complimenting yourself
Idiots that want people to praise them or feel that they have to make it obvious say stupid things like that. It's like a comedian telling everyone that he's funny after he just told a joke that nobody laughed at. Get fucking real if you think anyone will take you seriously saying stupid shit like that. I'm not even in university yet and I understand that.
>Good luck on those job interviews.
aaand this isn't a job interview. Why did you feel that was relevant?
>let their work do the talking
The guy wrote a whole wall of text about his classes, and you choose to bitch because of two words that are relevant in context because of your insecurities.
You're not intelligent if you think taking 'pride' is telling people that you're smart and motivated. You're arrogant. Maybe you should have taken a class in Philosophy, Sociology, Psychology or even English instead of those bullshit classes you took.
You don't need to go to university to recognize arrogance and stupidity. Of course you're going to try and make university some special club where you barre any opinion of someone that didn't go to university, even if they majored in basket weaving. Your logic is flawed.
>immediately talks over someone that is probably a few years younger
>says 'kid' a lot
this is why you're an idiot. you immediately take the position of superiority over anyone that is below your weird set of credentials that you had no control of. you're simple minded and have no argument to present.
Don't worry guys. He won't do anything important in his field of study. It's easy to see that he has no argumentative skills in any way whatsoever and that translates to little critical thinking skills. He'll be a wash within a couple of years. He DEFINITELY did not go to a good university, so don't sweat it. He's just a product of universities bloating students' sense of worth and he thinks that he's more intelligent than he really is.
Bittersweet life is to the intelligent when confronted with idiots, yes? It's annoying when they can't understand at a certain level but amazing when you can see right through them and realize that they have no power.
I forgot that you can't understand concepts for arguments that you are using yourself because you're not actually intelligent.
Going full abroad is silly, but doing some exchange or double degree is always nice and valuated.
It's nice to see the difference between the anglo empiric approach and the continental analytic approach, especially in engineering.
Canada's engineering programs are actually much more rigorous/competitive than that of the US. The top performers at US grad schools like MIT/Stanford/Berkeley are usually from Waterloo.
Yeah, if you can get into that 1% that is greater than the 99% I would go, but that person would have to see what major you're going for and if the success will offset the cost to go overboard. It'd be completely stupid otherwise.
I've heard of that school. It's where you can get cheap chink/paki labor, or at least that's what my boss says. Our company hasn't been doing well lately so we've been losing our usual interns and new hires from Berkeley and Stanford.