Why are men the most unhappy of the genders? Suicide rates

Most women have an ingrained emotional support structure and talk about their feelings, most men don't. Bottle that for 20 years and Bob blows his brains out over the same stuff Alice let go a decade ago.

Standards.
Less privileged.

Men are more likely to be lonely than women.

>>6669358
Sexual selectors, female adultery rates, the concept of "manly" that means a man has to deal with his problems himself or not at all.

>>6669367
This
>>6669364
This too

Men are generally different from women in a psychological perspective, if you were to generalize then this is evident even in early childhood.Does this affect suicidal thoughts? Don't know.

The other reason is men have it harder in life(contrary to what propaganda from the 50's tells you), they have more disadvantages in society, harder to survive.

>>6669358
>And they say girls have it hard.
Time to turn off the TV before it's too late.

>>6669387
>men have it harder in life

epic

>>6669400
No pun intended

What I will never understand is
>womens orgasm is better/longer than mens ones
>women don't fap errday and aren't the ones usually initiating sex during a relationship
shit don't make sense.

>>6669410
They're more sensitive to pleasure, enough to a point that's it too much to handle. Yet strangely they're hard to please in bed (don't know how that works). Plus, society still kind of demonises female sexuality, even in private.

>>6669364
/thread

Most men don't talk about their "feelings" they just bury them and try to forget.

>>6669418
>Plus, society still kind of demonises female sexuality, even in private.
b8
source

>>6669427
Hi from Ausfailia.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-women-still-cant-enjoy-sex-20120321-1vjgg.html

>>6669418
I don't know what to think about any of those 3 sentences. Sounds unreasonable.
I never felt it's "too much for handle" for or that they are not satisfied or enjoying the fuck out of it.
But while I'm horny, need to get rid of it, and never say no to sex, the girlfriend must be put in the mood.

>>6669358
Why are you such a faggot? Life's full of questions, man.

>>6669410
http://www.psmag.com/culture/casual-sex-men-women-not-so-different-after-all-28451/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-the-numbers/201106/when-are-women-casual-sex
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960109&slug=2308111

Basically, there's still not as much a guarantee that the woman will achieve orgasm (at least in casual hetereosexual sex) as men, so they don't put as much effort into even trying.

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Aside from menstruation women have it easy. All a woman needs to do is be pretty and she'll have her life made while men will need to do actual work. Men focus on women and pleasing them, virgin beta males will do anything just to be walked over by a woman. Meanwhile living in a society with a narrative that women are oppressed when in reality there are hundreds of organizations devoted to helping women and none devoted to men, trying to even discuss that men have their needs to is labelled bigotry. Funny since this is supposed to be egalitarianism but only one side is always considered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

And on the topic of loneliness, a girl can be anything above 6/10 and be guaranteed sex while as a man you'd need to be 9/10 to solely depend on your looks.

inb4 you don't know what it's like being a woman
By that same token you don't know what it's like being a man so you can't compare these experiences.

Also my quarrel is not against women just the beta males who overpower them at their own expense.

ignorance is bliss

>>6669432
>http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-women-still-cant-enjoy-sex-20120321-1vjgg.html
>All that BS written by a woman

Goodbye to Australia

>>6669478
It's okay. I find all papers written by women to be bullshit. Even Madame Curie's or Jane Goodall's. Women can't write and do science worth shit. And then they wonder why we can't take them seriously.

>>6669486
>Madame Curie or Jane Goodall
Totally comparable to that aussie journalist, dumbass.

That article stated what is happening to both men and women but took the female side for granted.

>>6669490
>Totally comparable to that aussie journalist, dumbass.
Either way, women can't write articles worth shit, nor do science. Neither Goodall and Curie were capable of that, they just get special treatment for being women. They're about as worthless as that Ausfag writing this article.

Having a decent vagina and not being absolutely repulsive imbues any woman with inherent worth regardless of any other factors. No matter how bad it gets, they have that scrap left, and that can be enough to get a man to take care of you.

But things don't work in the other direction as well.

>>6669490
probably because it affects women more than men, no matter the angle you look at it?

>>6669500
Yeah, all those filthy liberal 1920's French male scientists were just giving special treatment to the Polish woman. I'm sure you'll win two Nobel prizes with your shitty comp-sci undergrad. You can accept if on behalf of men's right's activists everywhere.

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>>6669503
Citation needed
That aussie journal proves absolutely nothing

DAILY REMINDER
Male circumcision is still legal in the US, males are highly disadvantaged in court systems regarding parenting and allegations, men are the ones drafted

Not the guy but nice strawman there

I used to make generalisations of this type.

Its a logical fallacy.

You know who has it hard in life? Everybody.

On the balance its probably a wash you underdeveloped children.

I'm nearly 40, and I didn't meet "her" until I was 37. There was lots of loneliness and struggle and shit, but you know what? You either work hard, overcome shit, develop yourself or die. The daily pain of life is something you either embrace or you get ground up.

As for chicks, really, the only way you're going to find happiness is looking beyond the physical. Practically no one under 35 in this country (USA) is worth a shit. Really, what risks have you taken in life? What values do you work for? What potentials have you developed? What value can you offer?

Half of you aren't worth shit, I can tell you that right now. I know because I was there. I wasn't shit, all my relationships were fucking trainwrecks. Everything you know is wrong. Everyone around you is a stupid lost idiot trying to grope their way out of some personal hell.

The best possible chance is you unfuck yourself of your stupid notions about life, people, and the universe and try becoming more human, then appreciate people who have made it through their own struggle. I mean, you guys are so superficial- real love is about nonphysical things.

Oh yeah and don't wallow in negative / freaky porn shit for too long.

>>6669532
>Male circumcision is still legal in the US
most men here in the us are for circumcision. why do you think they request their newborn sons to have them?

>males are highly disadvantaged in court systems regarding parenting and allegations
the same reason a man being alone with children is a social stigma.

>men are the ones drafted
we don't even have a draft anymore.

>>6669535
This isn't about "experience" from anonymous people, it's about psychological and medical effects society has on men that could cause suicide.

>>6669535
Project harder, and cite your sources.

>>6669532
>Citation needed
>That aussie journal proves absolutely nothing
Confirmation and argumentum ex silentio.

>all this angry fedora circlejerking

You guys seem to be lost. This is /sci/.

>>6669544
>most men here in the us are for circumcision. why do you think they request their newborn sons to have them?
Couldn't care less why they would request it, it's a human rights violation equivalent of female circumcision.

>the same reason a man being alone with children is a social stigma.
Again a demonization of male sexuality, proves my point

>we don't even have a draft anymore.
Never heard of this.

Are you trolling?

>>6669548
Fallacy fallacy

>>6669532
>>6669490
>>6669478
>article by woman about how she, a woman and other women she knows, have trouble enjoying sex.
>OH MY GOD. SHE'S WRITING SUCH BULLSHIT.

It seems like every time a woman writes about herself or her gender, men shoot it down because it doesn't fit with their preconceived notion of how women are. If a woman talks about herself, her tastes, her interests, etc. Men accuse her of lying because what she's saying doesn't fit with their beliefs.

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>>6669410
>>6669418
>>6669448
Unprecedented

>>6669555
The men you're talking about aren't opposing the woman, but the person trying to bring "personal experiences" from other people as a source.

>>6669553
>it's a human rights violation equivalent of female circumcision.
Except male circumcision doesn't have as detrimental and damaging effects has female circumcision does.

>Again a demonization of male sexuality, proves my point
A demonisation because the majority of sexual predators caught, even to adults, are men. Same reasons why if you associate yourself with a white supremacist group, you're immediately labelled a bigot.

>Never heard of this.
I don't think any first world nations have had a draft since early-to-mid twentieth century.

>Fallacy fallacy
So is claiming "fallacy fallacy."

>>6669561
>but the person trying to bring "personal experiences" from other people as a source.
Those tend to be valid in areas like social/cultural issues, social sciences, opinion generalisations, political polls, etc. Especially if you have a multitude of experiences you can derive averages from.

>>6669564
>Except male circumcision doesn't have as detrimental and damaging effects has female circumcision does.
Yeah, pretty much confirmed troll at this point and no point in responding. If not then do some research on circumcision.

>>6669571
Research completed:

http://www.elsevier.com/connect/circumcision-benefits-far-outweigh-risks-finds-study-in-mayo-clinic-proceedings
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html
http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/New-Benefits-Point-to-Greater-Benefits-of-Infant-Circumcision-But-Final-Say-is-Still-Up-to-parents-Says-AAP.aspx

Unless you're talking about getting circumcised as an adult, yeah I really don't recommend it.

>>6669571
>>6669553
>>6669532
>potential antisemite, /pol/ detected

Explains the misogyny.

>>6669577
Not him but circumcision is a major human rights violation.
None of your links cite how female circumcision is worse, in fact, those links work for female circumcision.

>>6669564
Troll post. No objectivity, biased, opinions are "analysis", no observations, no evidence, nothing quantifiable, no predictions can be made from the evidence.

There is literally nothing scientific in your post.

Even /x/tards try to include something scientific sounding.

>>6669580
>>6669577
>>6669564
>potential anti-white, reddit detected

Explains the man hatred.

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The average female has it easier than the average male. They have an advantage in jobs, relationships, and courts. They have more support groups and support in general than men while males have higher expectations put on them to be successful and work out their problems on their own.

>>6669577
>A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
The surgery INCREASES the odds of infection because it is SURGERY. There are more cases of infection because of the surgery than there are cases of UTI.

>A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
A debatable protection compared to mutilating 100,000 nerve endings for an questionable benefit.

>Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
The one study for this was proven to be crap.

>Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
BATHE! THIS ONE LITERALLY MEANS "WASH ONCE A WEEK".

>Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
The surgery to fix phimosis and paraphimosis does no damage and requires no stitches.

>>6669583
>Not him but circumcision is a major human rights violation.
No more a humans right violation than simply surgery.

>None of your links cite how female circumcision is worse, in fact, those links work for female circumcision.
Good to see you didn't read them.

And for FCs/FGMs:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
http://www.csvr.org.za/wits/papers/papfemc.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Procedures_and_health_effects

Female circumcision is mostly done, especially in third world countries, as a means to prevent women from, er, "slutting around" basically. While the intent was the same with male circumcision when it first came up in Judaism, as a means to make sex less pleasurable. However, an alarming number of benefits arise from circumcising a baby boy (fighting off STDs, for one). Same cannot be said for female circumcision, because of how much more sensitive the vaginal area is to begin with.

The idea of male circumcision being detrimental and inhuman just simply isn't true, and tend to stem from racist/antisemitic origins.

>>6669599
[citation needed]

>>6669600
You are correct. You can even have your babies genitals surgically removed for religious reasons.

>>6669600
>completely ruling out the fact that circumcision in america was started by christians trying to stop masturbation

Nice troll post there.

this thread maks me sad :(

>>6669607
how come?

>>6669603
Except actual removal of genitals would be the humans right violation in this case, since it's taking away an important anatomical feature. To suggest the removal of foreskin is the same is basically like saying that removing the appendix is a humans right violation.

>>6669602
Which?

>>6669612
>it's the same as slicing off appendix
And slicing off the clitoris isn't?

>>6669609
Because you own the baby.

>>6669604
1). American circumcision is still of Judaic origin, regardless of who started it in American history (something that's still recent).
2). [citation needed]
3). False attribution
4). It doesn't make the procedure any less beneficial to the child.

Men have ambition and women don't. It's that simple.

>>6669612
All unnecessary surgery is mutilation, including circumcision.

>>6669614
(I wasn't aware they sliced off the clitoris too).

Slicing off the clitoris would be the same as slicing off the head of the penis, instead of the foreskin. Slicing off the clitoris is more closer to straight-up castration than it is circumcision.

>>6669600
>The idea of male circumcision being detrimental and inhuman just simply isn't true, and tend to stem from racist/antisemitic origins.

So human rights activists are racists and antisemites.

JIDF id that you?

>>6669621
If it's safe, has benefits, and at the request of the parent or person themselves, it's pretty necessary to the parties involved.

>>6669622
Considering that you are destroying both, I can't understand how you can think circumcision is not mutilation.

>>6669623
>So human rights activists are racists and antisemites.
A lot of so-called human rights activists tend to be bigots themselves. People become prejudice from being a victim of someone else's prejudice all the time.

>JIDF id that you?
Good to see how much /pol/ populates /sci/.

>>6669624
except the person getting circumcised never consented.
Go hear the screams for yourself if you need to be convinced.

With your posts you are defending female circumcision too, remember that.

>>6669624
Female genital mutilation has the same benefits and risks.

There is no such thing as "safe unnecessary surgery".

>>6669626
>A lot of so-called human rights activists tend to be bigots themselves.

kek, retards have no right to complain about /pol/

>>6669358
Emotional constipation and adherence to their own arbitrary obligations. Dudes really need to loosen their sphincters and have a good cry more often.

>>6669625
Male circumcision isn't. It keeps the penis intact, and helps usher in improvements that happen in adulthood. Foreskins have a history of medical complications to male specimen, much like a burst appendix. And surgical removing of the skin is more comparable to removing baby teeth than it is castration.

>>6669631
Same goes for clitoris removal

>>6669631
The glans is supposed to be protected and lubricated to function the way it is supposed to.

It gets destroyed.

You are saying an eye with no eyelids is still an eye, even if it has been blinded.

>>6669627
>except the person getting circumcised never consented.
When they're not capable of consent.

>Go hear the screams for yourself if you need to be convinced.
Children scream when getting booster shots and vaccinations. Or having a dentist work on their teeth.

>With your posts you are defending female circumcision too, remember that.
Kettle logic and straw man.

>>6669633
Clitoral removal is more closer to cutting off the head of a penis than it is simply removing the foreskin.

>>6669634
Once again, kettle logic and red herring.

>>6669635
I thought you had a problem with people that don't consent. And here it is that you just don't consider them people.

EVERY WOMAN NOW GETS GENTILE MUTILATED, NO SAYING NO!

>>6669635
>When they're not capable of consent.
Proves his point, troll. Screaming out of pain is enough of a "no", isn't it?

>Kettle logic and straw man
I almost forgot that I am a male and inferior and my genitals are worth nothing, I'll just go commit suicide now and increase OP's charts because of people like you.

Thanks for answering OPs question.

>>6669636
No, you refused to confront a non-functioning organ.

It is an organ. So is the tissue removed in circumcision. You cannot say losing 100,000 nerve endings is bad for women and good for men.

>>6669637
>I thought you had a problem with people that don't consent. And here it is that you just don't consider them people.
Tu quoque and false dilemma. No one here, either me or you, said they weren't people. That wasn't even suggested in the beginning of the thread. If you're talking about consent, people can't really consent to much until ages 17 - 20, when the cerebrum fully develops. If you're talking about children screaming during a painful procedure, same with dental hygiene and vaccination shots, necessary at the consent of the parents (as is male circumcisions).

>EVERY WOMAN NOW GETS GENTILE MUTILATED, NO SAYING NO!
Gentile, eh? Non-Jews?

>>6669641
>responds only to trolling

You know nothing. Lurk more.

>>6669641
>people can't really consent to much until ages 17 - 20
Yet circumcision is legal

>>6669641
>Gentile, eh? Non-Jews?

Auto fill.

>>6669641
>a baby is not a grown person.

So you admit that most adults don't want this.

Weirdest part about you guys is that you keep perpetuating your own weird traditions. Fathers teach their sons to bottle up their emotions and insist on cutting each other's dick-skin off. I get that you think that internal struggle, mindless tradition and misery make you feel manly but it's really not healthy and you guys need to stop.

>>6669640
>It is an organ. So is the tissue removed in circumcision.
No more an organ than the skin on your arms.

>You cannot say losing 100,000 nerve endings is bad
You can lose nerve endings from scraping your skin, or having surgery done on you.

>is bad for women and good for men.
Circumcision for women basically just to disable a sensitive organ, in order to reduce her sexuality. Some tribes in Somalia not only do this to girls ages three and below, but also sew up the vagina with stitches until she is married (often given away to a male once they hit puberty). It's more closer to castrating a male than male circumcision is. It's not done for the same reasons, and doesn't have the same effects on the same scale as with girls. This isn't a matter of opinion or position, it's just how it is in our world. And most dads want their sons to be circumcised so they can look more like him (same with uncircumcised dads wanting their son to remain uncircumcised).

>>6669448
So is it easier for women in homosexual relationships to achieve orgasm? I wouldn't see why since everything a woman can do in that aspect, so can a man.

>>6669358
Men are more competitive. That I think is clear.
You can then speculate (unless someone provides evidence) that suicide is an evolved tendency to limit the number of men if they don't die otherwise enough, that depression is an evolved tendency to get you to drastically change your life if stuck, and that loneliness is just a consequence of competition and excess number of males.

>>6669645
Because their parents are consenting to it. It's often the parents wanting their kid to be circumcised.

>>6669649
>Most adults don't want...
False consensus bias. There are some adults who are uncut, but want to be cut, and thus get the procedure done (though it's more disastrous to an adult than it is an infant). Most adults just stick what they already have: uncircumcised prefer uncircumcised, circumcised prefer circumcised.

>>6669655
When women perform oral on women, they tend to actually know what they're doing. I find more women succeeding at this than any guy I've dated.

>>6669652
>No more an organ than the skin on your arms.
Skin is an organ yes?

>>6669663
If we're going that way, how would you prioritise that specific organ?

>>6669652
>And most dads want their sons to be circumcised so they can look more like him (same with uncircumcised dads wanting their son to remain uncircumcised).

Do dudes really think like this?

>>6669658
You are still denying choice, and your "benefits" are debatable at best, and total lies at worst.

>>6669669
Was just asking. Sounded like you were referring to the skin on your arm as an optional thing. Haha.

>>6669671
No. They just don't argue because they don't get to.

REAL MEN GET THEIR DICKS MANGLED AT BIRTH.

THEN THEY LET THEIR SONS GET MUTILATED TOO, BECAUSE "WHY BOTHER".

HOO-AAH! ROUGH RIDERS!

>>6669678
Men are weird. "Men."

>>6669673
>You are still denying choice
With a person in a state that cannot make consensual choices? Not a lot, if any, you can do to deny or approve them.

>your "benefits" are debatable at best
It's not like even the most universal and undeniable scientific research are excluded from debates. It's how the community works.

>>6669676
Some skin on some parts of the body can be removed with no damage or effect to the body.

>>6669676
>>6669669
>>6669663
>>6669652


Here is the problem. You don't have 100,000 nerve endings on both your arms.

Now, why is it bad for women to lose 100,000 nerve endings on 2 inches of flesh, but it is okay for men to lose 100,000 nerve endings on 2 inches of flesh?

>>6669684
Cancer?

>>6669671
Men just really like it when they have kids that looks as much similar to them as possible. From an evopsy POV, it basically stands as proof that their genes are being spread out in the world, and continue the bloodline. This is also why men sometimes worry if the child is really theirs, and whether or not the mother was faithful to them or nil.

But it generally goes like this (apparently): circumcised men prefer to have their sons circumcised, while uncircumcised men prefer their sons to have their foreskin remain intact.

>>6669692
I'm not sure how accurate that could be. A lot of men are never asked.

>>6669684
I said cancer. Circumcision prevents genital cancer.

>>6669687
I'm pretty sure my beef curtains and clitoral hood aren't entirely necessary. Everything would look a little more tidy (and prepubescent) if they were gone. I'm not cutting them off for muh aesthetics though.

>>6669700
No it doesn't.

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/

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>>6669688
>You don't have 100,000 nerve endings on both your arms.
You have tons of nerves wired throughout your arms, legs, and ends wherever there's an appendage.

>Now, why is it bad for women to lose 100,000 nerve endings on 2 inches of flesh
Because the clitoris is pretty much exactly like the head of the male penis (pic related). It's not just cutting off some extra fold skin, it's basically cutting the head off of a penis.

>but it is okay for men to lose 100,000 nerve endings on 2 inches of flesh?
1). Length differences in flesh vary between person-to-person.
2). It's more closer to having skin surgically removed than it is removing nerves.

>>6669703
>all nerves are for feeling

I didn't say that.

>>6669700
>>6669690
...I don't know about how this works, this is a genuine question, but if you have less of something doesn't that mean there's less chance of it getting cancer?

>>6669704
Neither did I.

>>6669692
Men.

>>6669703
You're saying that an INTERNAL ORGAN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COVERED WITH SKIN OR IT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT does not need skin on men and women.

So stop bitching about Muslims.

>>6669706
>you have tons of nerves

Yes you did.

>>6669709
>You're saying that an INTERNAL ORGAN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COVERED WITH SKIN OR IT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT does not need skin on men and women.
And where did anybody explicitly say that?

>So stop bitching about Muslims.
Did anyone even mention Muslims ITT? I only saw references to Jews and Christians so far.

>>6669712
But did anyone here say that all of them were for feeling (whether or not true)?

>>6669715
>explicitly say that?

That is understood by the way it is covered in skin, and the way women complain about sex.

>>6669715
>Muslims

They are the only other people on earth who think genital mutilation is okay.

>>6669719
>That is understood by the way it is covered in skin
But did anyone explicitly say, not assume, not allude, but explicitly say that here?

>and the way women complain about sex
Irrelevant.

>>6669718
You included them all.

>>6669724
Genital mutilations tend to be more culturally influenced than religiously (even if that culture has strong religious connotations). General circumcision is more originated in Judaism than Muslim or Christian. But no one really mentioned Muslims here, so it's still a random thing to bring up. Or moving the goal posts, if you will.

>>6669732
And where did that happen?

>>6669727
>say

It "needs to be said" that "an organ that needs to be covered in skin", "needs to be covered in skin"?

THAT IS WHAT -UNDERSTOOD- MEANS, YOU CORRUPT SHIT.

>>6669738

>You have tons of nerves wired throughout your arms

>>6669740
But did anyone flat out say "needs to be said," "an organ that needs to be covered in skin," and "needs to be covered in skin?" Otherwise it's just a personal interpretation, and argument from ambiguity.

>>6669735
Honestly, no-one would choose genital mutilation for good reasons.

>>6669745
But did anyone say they were all for feeling or infeeling?

Depression is more common amongst females.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0447.2003.00204.x/abstract

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=208678

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=481578

Your source about depression is from a magazine article.

>>6669747
What?

Fuck off, sadist. You think genital mutilation is okay because you are fucking dead inside, you rotting meat.

Christ what are you guys even arguing about anymore? Go take a nap or something.

>>6669623
>Using JIDF in 2014

bait detected

>>6669760
Tu quoque and kettle logic. We were quoting you.

>>6669751
It's done for either religious reasons, cultural reasons, or to limit sexual deviancy. Those are *good* reasons to them.

>>6669752
You did, sweetie.

Don't include them next time, okay lil' gurrl?

>>6669765
This turned into a circumcision wank fest really fast, because autistic neckbears

>>6669768
Okay, where were they included?

Philosophy needs it's own "GURRRL POWAH!" board.

Can OP delete this thread? Someone needs to kill this clusterfuck.

>>6669771
Daddy will remind his sweetie pie again!

>You have tons of nerves wired throughout your arms

>>6669775
it's too late.

>>6669779
But where does that say they were all for feeling? All we're seeing is that human arms are full of nerves. Nothing about them feeling anything. Not even in implication.

>>6669768
>>6669779
>I am roleplaying on an online imageboard devoted to anime

>>6669779
Op tried to delete it twice.

We need to combine our reports and ask for deletion, now.

>>6669784
I'm talking to a girl who only knows the word "why?"

>>6669791
>I am actually roleplaying on an online imageboard devoted to anime

>>6669794
I don't roleplay.

You are a child that needs to be patronized.

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>>6669798
>I am now confusing the people who are replying to me whilst roleplaying at the same time on an online imageboard devoted to anime

>>6669804
Then don't act like a retard and expect that you are fooling people.

>>6669358

Men have an unbalanced attraction to women while women have a more balanced to men.

More the 60% of Male's attraction to a female is physical and sexual.

The ratio for Women is more balanced compared to men.

>>6669808
>I am still trying to justify why I roleplayed on an online imageboard devoted to anime

>>6669810
Your greentext does not make you look less retarded.

>>6669819
>I am still trying to justify why I roleplayed on an online imageboard devoted to anime

>>6669828
BECAUSE I CAN, DAMMIT!!! ALRIGHT!? BECAUSE I FUCKING CAN!!!

*cries*

>most unhappy of the genders
>2 genders
>its either men or women
>implying women have anything to bitch about

>>6669837
Huh? Anyway, I thought "roleplay" was that thing they do on /d/ where the guys pretend to...

...oh god...

...they're not pretending, are they?

>>6669358
Depression and suicide are mostly men? What are you fucking stupid? I think it is hilarious people actually think they know what they are talking about, take their own false thoughts as facts, and doesn't even bother to actually look up depression and suicide rates.

>>6669843
We actually can have more than two genders, even with todays technology. Since gender is basically the social definitions of a man and a woman. Sex is the biological, and it's only possible to have two sexes as of now.

>>6669859
But... OP cited depression and suicide rates...

>>6669860
Sexes:
male
female
Genders:
man
woman

>>6669860
We can have as many genders as there are people.

Science needs sexes.

>>6669865
Transgenderism is now considered, er, a gender in parts of the US. With more parts of the country buying into the same thing.

>>6669873
thats because people are retarded. some also consider sociology to be a science...

>>6669876
It *is* a social science. A soft science.

>>6669876
it is. just very, very soft.

>>6669876
I only consider it a science if there are men in the field.

Basically I'm saying that non-female sociologists don't exist.

Basically I'm saying penis penis penis.

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It's because life is simply much easier for women, they don't have to go through the hardships that men do. Men are the people who make the whole of society run, basically the only contribution that women make to humanity is having kids, they don't have the same worries that men do. It's even worse now since men are becoming more and more devalued over time, and more of their entitlements are going to women instead.

>>6669577
Circumcision is bullshit.

I fucking hate my parents for circumcising me.

I don't give a fuck WHAT you think or what benefits you think it has (protip: it doesn't), it's a human rights violation solely based on the fact that the baby can grow up to not want it to have happened.

Circumcision also makes your dick smaller, because it can't grow.

>Americlaps

1. Stress from hardwork
2. Depression from having no goals

When will circumcision be banned?

Holy shit. This is fucked up.

>>6669700
Cutting off your arm prevents arm cancer.

>>6669703
Please fucking go. You are obviously a woman/circumkike.

>>6669358
I think it has to do with this world generally being a mans world. They get tired of having so much weight and the responsibly always having to be on top. Most don't even want it but society differs. I know I don't want to.

>>6670020
If I were to be honest, if you have cancer in your arms, it can get worse to the point that amputating them would be the wiser move (to prevent it from spreading to the rest of your body).

>>6670161
You are doing it as a preventative measure in case you might get arm cancer someday.

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ARE YOU FAGGOTS REALLY ARGUING ABOUT CIRCUMCISION IN THIS THREAD?

MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST KILL YOURSELVES FOR GETTING TROLLED THIS HARD

>>6670215
Hey, no one told philosophers to post on /sci/, and let's be honest, /sci/ has been acting pretty retarded lately. We ALL know and acting retarded attracts real retards like philosophers and /x/philes, and /sci/ was basically begging to turn into shit.

It is not fair.

It is not right.

It is how it happened.

>>6669593

That's a very biased and simplified chart.

Women are the main sexual selectors
We share DNA from twice as many females than we do males.
This corresponds to a 40% reproduction rate in men to 80% in women. Our minds are programmed to form a society in which women are protected and men have to earn their place to survive.

>>6670215
YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY PENIS BEGINS.

>>6670238
Hey, fucking retard.

UFOs are real. You will find that out within your lifetime. /sci/ was ALWAYS shit. You're the idiot here. Fuck off.

>>6670250
>philososplaining

Check yo privilege, bigot.

>>6670250
whoops, except that I didn't explain anything since it would be a waste on you.

>>6670260
Who are you talking to?

>>6669535
Here is the translation :
Once women of my generation have depleted their looks and their vagina could fit an entire football team at the same time, i could finnaly got one who wanted to "settle", that is, anybody with money who'll accept beyond used goods.


You never grope your way out of your personal hell mate, you simple gave up and surrendered to reality. Good for you.

>>6670284
>>6670284
>>6670284
well duh.

Women will survive at all costs. If this means falling in love with somebody she would never have looked at 20 years ago in order to fulfill her emotional, sexual, financial needs then she will.

>>6669410
you've never been fucked in the ass, have you?

>>6670284
As someone that did get out of hell for a couple of decades, I prefer hell. Reality sucks much worse, and the entertainment is cartoonish at best, pathetic at worst.

Seriously, there is way too much bad sex being sold as good these days. Not even worth the time to fap for most of it.

>>6670287
>gay guys
>not crazy wild for sex

What reality do you live in?

>>6670287
I don't understand in what way that's a response

>>6670313
try it out and you will no longer believe women have longer and better orgasms - men do

you just gotta get fucked in the ass, it feels _really_ good

>>6670316
I see. Well, I don't think I'm into expanding my [spoiler]horizon[spoiler] in that way. But thx.

>>6669600
>Evolution devolps dickskin over the course of millions of years with obvious benefits (hygene, protection, procreation stays pleasurable)
Lets cut it off!

>>6670215
>memecenter

>>6669636
>Once again, kettle logic and red herring.
Let me remind all of you dumbshits here that stating a false argument does not form a valid retort against it.

>>6670321
Oh, he's talking about your prostate. Yeah, it's a fun button to tap, but you don't need another guy to do the tapping. There are plenty of chicks that know how to get that spot

If you feel that is too shameful, marry her.

>>6669358
we need vaginas. seriously.

need to become hermaphrodite.

>>6670373
But who'll do the work then ?

>>6670374
Hey! We're men, remember? We'll build sexy robotic scientists by the time we become lazy forever.

>>6669630
>loosen their sphincters
>have a good cry more
Lol shit packers.

>>6670321
>tfw /sci/ has no spoiler tags

How to solve this problem:
- You can't 'cause Christians.
- Checkmate, atheists!
- Christians: 9999999 Atheists: 0

In countering people who would suggest that a baby's cry is in no way acceptable as a protest or explicit statement of revocation of consent on the basis of vaccinations and or dental work eliciting this response.. Consider the following:

Those babies who cry upon administration of vaccination and dental care simply know that you are harming the evolutionary viability of our species by keeping the weak among us. They are urging you with their blood-curdling shrieks to cease this grievous assault on the billions of years of hard work that produced us and on our descendants.

>>6669358
Men are the most lonely because people are assholes. It doesn't actually bother us because we are assholes too, so fuck you.

>>6670673
u wot m8 fite me irl

>>6670245
quoted for truth

>>6670673
The babies don't stop crying after circumcision.

Your mother can't tell you how disappointing you became, but she is happy you are a miserable person now. HAVE A NICE DAY, KIDDO!

>>6670689
why would i be a disappointing and miserable person?

>>6670693
Finding out why is not my concern. I -couldn't- care less about what made you pathetic.

>>6670703
Righto then <3

>>6669358
women suffer just as much as men, but are less likely to act out, because they are pussies, literally.

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>>6670713
>because they are pussies, literally

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>>6670284

You must accept reality. The only thing you have any control over is yourself. If you can't take pains to develop yourself, you're a weak piece of shit who forgot what it meant to outswim 50,000,000 of your sperm brothers to reach the egg.

Women are just people who struggle too. If you can't empathize, you just haven't developed your humanity and/or your perspective. You aren't guaranteed anything in this life except a shit sandwich. Your fucking soulmate isn't going to fall out of the sky into your lap. You aren't going to get anywhere without working for it. You better learn to love physical pain or your life is going to be an anemic wasteland of limited horizons. Life is struggle, everything else is a lie. The old world tribal societies with their child marriages and cult religions is the miserable alternative.

You better prioritize practicing opening up, being socially forward, being unambiguous about your feelings, being self-confident, not being a controlling, needy fascist, etc. You have to be fine with yourself, fine with being alone, interested in life, and oriented toward something positively greater than yourself.

If you want love, you have to be able to explain what it means for you. Without that, you can't identify what it is not and can't communicate your standards. You have to find the criteria for what that is, and it is imperative you communicate about it to your prospective partners, early and often. Women love to talk about it. They are evaluating: Do you follow your ideals? Can you respect someone else's ideas/feelings/thoughts? How does your actions line up with your words? Are you consistent? Or are you a bullshitter? At the same time they reflect on their own ideas and feelings. You'll get their love if you get their admiration and respect, and not before.

>I don't think I've seen women face as much suffering as men do.

Its axiomatic that you cannot really understand how much anyone is suffering by looking at them.

>>6669358

this should be really obvious. Women have lives on easy mode and are treated like kids.

>>6670716
Do you ever realise that words are just meaningless sounds that don't begin to describe the tiniest fraction of what goes on, and that you consciously developed your personality over years so that you could have lofty hopes and dreams only to have them inevitably torn to shreds by the ravages of time?

>>6670727
This over nine thousand.

>>6670716
>If you want love

Meh. Not really worth it. Empathy is easy, people are simple. I do know that all the games mean nothing, and there is no such thing as "forever in love".

So, what you are promoting is basically a MMORPG with bad graphics and no rewards. There are LOTS of those, and the ones that are worth looking at are free.

>>6669358
They're not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_depression

From an unbiased point of view, women have it pretty shitty too. They, too, have to desire to live up to unrealistic standards and have done it for longer than men. That being said, some skinnyfat slut is ridiculously more likely to be asked into a relationship than a skinnyfat man.

We were the dumbasses who imposed similar unrealistic standards on ourselves. Now if you don't lift weights, you'll never be considered even remotely close to attractive by women, when in the past it would suffice that you showered, kept your hair neat and didnt let yourself turn into a tub of lard. What if I just dont have enough time to lift weights seriously enough so that it makes a noticeable difference? And the older I get, the less time I expect to have for that shit.

Why did we let this be done to us by us? As if it wasn't enough that we have to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to social interactions, now we also have to live up to ridiculous standards in the way we look.

>>6669454
This. I am already in an angry mood so I will not vent here.
This man speaks the truth though.

>>6669630
That's easy to say. If you didn't already know there's a huge stigma on men crying.
If you are in a state where you can ignore that stigma I don't think there would be the need for crying anyway.

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>>6669358

Men are more likely to own guns, and are thus more likely to succeed in their suicide attempts than women.

>>6669358
Actually (as is confirmed by your citations) women attempt suicide more often than men (but succeed less often) and are about twice as likely to be depressed (assuming male depression isn't underreported). So it looks like women are at least as unhappy as men.
Why didn't any of you faggots point this out?

>>6670827
>Why didn't any of you faggots point this out?

This thread isn't about facts, it's about emotions. People are just venting because they don't have girlfriends.

>>6670820
Guns and bottled feelings are not a good combination.

>>6670771
>They, too, have to desire to live up to unrealistic standards and have done it for longer than men.

They do that to compete with each other, not because a neurotic clown is something men ask for.

>We were the dumbasses who imposed similar unrealistic standards on ourselves.

Actually, the environment did that to all of us as we were fighting for survival.

We didn't tell women to kill themselves competing with each other.

>>6670834
If someone wants to kill themselves they'll fucking kill themselves. It doesn't matter if it's with a gun, knife, rope, drowning, toaster, etc. if they have the legitimate intent on killing themselves they'll get it done. A "survived" suicide attempt is just someone looking for attention.

A man can easily kill himself by swallowing a bunch of pills in his kitchen cabinet, setting himself on fire, drowning himself, or running in traffic.

>>6670820
>>6670834
To act like guns are the reason why men commit suicide is completely illogical.

A gun is quick and efficient. That's why people use guns.

>>6670834
>Guns and bottled feelings are not a good combination.
Lets ban the guns and keep bottling feelings!

>>6670864
>A man can easily kill himself by swallowing a bunch of pills in his kitchen cabinet, setting himself on fire, drowning himself, or running in traffic.

Pills are unreliable and can be extremely unplesant. Fire would be painful. Drowning terrible and running in traffic can make you a vegetable.

Exit bags, high-drop hanging, firearms or say, dropping an anvil on your head(or other head-crushing actions) would be the preferable way to go when I find the time has come.

>>6670771
>We
what no.
That's like saying
>It was us, the Germans

>>6670869

>>6669358

>Why are men the most unhappy of the genders?

>Suicide rates are mostly men. Depression rates are mostly men. Loneliness rates are mostly men. It just goes on and on.

>>6670827

>Actually (as is confirmed by your citations) women attempt suicide more often than men (but succeed less often) and are about twice as likely to be depressed (assuming male depression isn't underreported). So it looks like women are at least as unhappy as men.

>>6670820

>Men are more likely to own guns, and are thus more likely to succeed in their suicide attempts than women.

because of patriarchy, OP

>>6670739
>>If you want love
>Meh. Not really worth it.

Disagree and cashing those checks. Love is awesome.

>Empathy is easy, people are simple.

It might seem that way if you limit your horizons to a few comfortable delusions.

>I do know that all the games mean nothing, and there is no such thing as "forever in love".

Some of us are into ecstatic states. Love is one such state. For me, its the juice. Doesn't have to be forever.

>So, what you are promoting is basically a MMORPG with bad graphics and no rewards.

top kek. I live in the real world, kid.

>>6670727
>Do you ever realise that words are just meaningless sounds

Invictus

BY WILLIAM ERNEST HENLEY

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,

I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.

Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,

And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,

I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

---

You? Go back to /fa/ bitch.

>>6670716
Oh, i don't want love, i want to hoard money so that i can switch to a robotic body because what i want is seeing the galactic core region from the inside.

I was simply stating what your life is, without the romanticised bullshit and delusions. You are free to fool yourself, but don't fool young, impressionnable minds.
That's in bad taste.

>>6670827
I did.

>>6669759

But everyone was busier talking about their dicks.

>>6669432
> Literally any news source in Australia
> Credible
I jumped off that train when 3 or 4 major Australian news companies parroted the "creatine makes u a murderer look at elliot lol!" bullshit.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/man-drought-sees-shortage-of-eligible-men-as-women-struggle-in-dating-game/story-fnihsrf2-1226804921893?nk=6891bd59243b626a7d3f90f1558c7276

This is how entitled Australian women have become, where "eligible men" are defined as
> heterosexual
> earn over $60,000 a year
> between 25 and 34 years old

and eligible women are defined as
> female

>>6670238
Hey now, what's wrong with philosophers? Some of the greatest scientific minds throughout history were philosophers.

>>6669358

Sociology is not science. Fuck off.

women process monoamine oxidase differently

different dopamine / oxytocin / endorphin responses

estrogen proliferation ruins male testosterone / thyroid system

feminism promotes single parent single mother households giving sons little direction & no father figures to strive to impress with structure & principled expectation

>>6669358
Men talk less about their emotions.

>>6670827
All these lower middle class white boys are too busy wallowing to consider other people. It is the nature of the white boy to do so.

>>6671473
Neither is psychology, if we are talking about depression here, we might as well be talking about ghosts and aliens.

>>6670716
I know what love is.
Love is when you finally find the other human being that makes you complete
>at the begining of creation god made them male and female for this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and be united with his wife and the two will become one flesh so they are no longer two but one flesh

>>6669358
1. Women can get laid whenever they fucking please.
2. Society expects men to make the most money in the relationship.
3. Women waste mans hard earned money.

>>6673370
>1. Women can get laid whenever they fucking please.
So can men, they just can't expect to jump up 3 tiers of quality and date outside of their own quality, but there are plenty of horny land whales on OKCupid or AdultFriendFinder who can't get high quality men and will settle for you.

>2. Society expects men to make the most money in the relationship.
Society expects to pay women less.

>3. Women waste mans hard earned money.
Women are expected to trade sexual favors just to have disposable income to make up for the difference in wage.

Unlike women, men are judged by their achievements, wealth, and raging muscles if they have them. Because most men are unable to get these three, it drives them into depression as they deem themselves unsuccessful and rejected by society, their peers, and more importantly members of the opposite sex who aren't interested in them.

>>6673399
This is why more men should be feminists.
Dismantling gender roles and expectations would be good for most men.

>>6673418
Feminism doesn't want to dismantle, it wants to tilt the scale or its name wouldn't be derived directly from a gender role.

>>6673418
However, until the societal flip happens, all men that do are automatically put into this camp.

>>6669532
>males are highly disadvantaged in court systems regarding parenting
100% bullshit. It's more that males tend to seek out less help during divorce/alimony/child support trials. When they DO seek out legal advice/hire lawyers the court system swings massively in their favor.

>Men are the ones drafted
Isn't it a male-dominated government that made it that way? Why should women be to blame for an obviously arbitrary rule that they had no hand in? Congratulations you just argued for feminism

>>6673423
Lol you're talking out your ass dude, go talk to some people irl

>>6673426
Fuck that if the name of a philosophy is incorrect and insincere, I have no faith in the people who shill for it.

>>6673424
It's not a binary process, it's a continual erosion. Things today are noticeably different than they were even a decade or two ago.

>>6673423
You need to stop getting your ideas of what feminism is from AM talk radio and /v/.

>>6673428
Lol no seriously go talk to literally any actual person involved with feminism and not the strawman you've carefully constructed in your head

>>6673429
see
>>6673428

Why bother investing time and resources in things that are not even named properly?

>>6673430
It means nothing, they will all say something different because collectively they don't understand logic and can't even pick a philosophy to shill for that is logically consistent and named correctly.

>>6673431
>Why bother investing time and resources in things that are not even named properly?
Why bother trying to communicate with someone so spergy that they dismiss a movement because they get hung up on the name? Are you one of those people who make it a point to remind everyone that the US is actually a republic, not a democracy?

>>6673441
No, I am the type of person who reminds everyone that republic and democracy are vague enough generalizations to not be very applicable to real world situations because political science is just a bunch of semantic bullshit with no real measurement or well defined metrics.

>>6669364
The answer, ladies and gentlemen.
While alot of men are more inclined to productivity and most women are more inclined to "whatever they feel like" they can still let out how shit their life is without people thinking "Grow the fuck up and get over it".

>>6673429
If feminism were significantly more pervasive, then perhaps the reasons I listed for elevated male suicide risks (>>6673399) would no longer be reasons for depression, or perhaps they would be less influential.

You say it's not binary, but I think that in a way it is, but regardless it doesn't change my point.

Firstly, we're talking about values: the criteria by which someone measures their own self worth. Frankly, I think it's fair to say that once people are at the age where suicide is a legitimate threat to health and not just a fun word to toss around, at that age most peoples' values are pretty much set in stone. Even if they're not 100% rigid, I think it's fair to say they're mostly rigid.

Secondly, even if you were to insist that it's not a binary issue, that feminism can gradually make its effect, well so what -- currently it's mostly just a fringe in the media, government, and academia in modernized countries. So while some momentum has built up, surely, but honestly not much and so it will be a good while before enough gradual change has occurred for there to be a substantial change in the waters. My point: even if nonbinary, our society is still so far from being feminist at our ideological cores, and progress will be so slow that in this day if you flip to being a feminist you're likely to be rejected in the ways I described.

>>6673449
>Secondly, even if you were to insist that it's not a binary issue, that feminism can gradually make its effect, well so what -- currently it's mostly just a fringe in the media, government, and academia in modernized countries.
Much of what was feminism decades ago is the status quo today, and it's very likely that much of the progress that conservatives and reactionaries rail against today will be the norm decades from now.

>>6673430
>Feminism: equal rights for women
>Egalitarianism: equal rights for everyone
Now if the bottom word were more heard of in general society you can bet your ass people would change to it.

>>6673453
>equal rights for women
You flat out say it yourself. "Equal rights" is not supremacy, so this criticism is nonsense.

>>6670716
man, you fucking got it
All these fuckers seem to have no empathy, or at least only a little bit.
This is why I hate religion vs atheists vs fedoras vs whateverthefuck
it's all superficial bullshit, all that matters is empathy, the golden rule.
Following the golden rule = everything works out, and the golden rule isn't just about how you do or don't treat others, but how you treat yourself. An explicitly accurate version of it would be something like:
Treat others as you wish to be treated, don't treat others as you wish not to be treated, treat yourself as you wish others to treat themself.

If everyone followed this, everyone who isn't a psychopath would be nice, caring, thoughtful, considerate, and constantly working to improve themself.

>>6673456
>some "rights" are in favor of men
>some "rights" are in favor of women

Remove the first and not the second and we are not in a truly egalitarian society.

>>6673458
A "truly egalitarian" society would require a lot of corrective measures to remove the influences of past discrimination, but I imagine you're against that as well.

>>6673460
Not the person you're replaying to, but seriously when will there ever be an equal society? Even if people are against it, which would be a few stereotypical cultures I'd imagine, how does it make a difference what someones opinion on something that will never happen matter?

>>6673457
There is a psychopath hidden away in all of us though, anon.

>>6673466
Yes because that term, like most of psychology nomenclature, is vague bullshit that can be equally applied to everyone and no one.

>>6673460
>A "truly egalitarian" society would require a lot of corrective measures to remove the influences of past discrimination
Of course.

>but I imagine you're against that as well.
Haha, so you're saying that because I want equality for all (egalitarian movements for both men and women), I actually want it for neither and especially not for women.

>>6673465
We will never have a truly equal society, in the same way nothing we do will ever be perfect, but that shouldn't stop us from doing the best we can. Perfection is an ideal to strive towards, not a realistic end goal.

>>6673471
>Haha, so you're saying that because I want equality for all (egalitarian movements for both men and women), I actually want it for neither and especially not for women.
No, I'm saying that I get the feeling that you are one of those people who believe in the facade of equality but not the reality of it, because I've heard these sorts of arguments from those sorts of people. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.

>>6673474
Well at this point anon I feel like we're yelling in the same direction. It's a little confusing figuring out who is who without ID's, I jumped into this conversation half way. However, I think it's fair to say that most people (at least on this board) who criticize "equality" movements do so on the basis of inequalities they would create, not that they're against the equality part. That said, I think we're all really arguing for the same thing in the end. Anyways anon, I'm off to bed. Good night.

>>6670771

>have to

even fat women get as much sex (AND relationships) as they want. and they still get the benefits of white knights

>>6670655
It's not like you put them correctly anyway.

>>6669577
>loss of sensitivity (0%)
But that is physically impossible.

Also take a look at the list of risks that a most circumcised men get anyway, genital herpes? HPV? It is so god damn common in america where everyone has their dick slaughtered anyway. These bastards are lying through the guise of a scientific study.

Also take a look at the second link. The bastards say that they are pro-choice, but infant circumcision is actually not pro-choice, as in the first-class party does not, nor will ever have any choice in the matter. This is the god damn party being affected. People who have no affect in the party choose sexual preferences for someone else. They don't even have to live with the consequences. Fucking bastards.

>>6669600
>benefits nullifies the consequences.

You and every circumciser always side-step consequences and jump to imaginary STD prevention benefits. Go get a condom.

>>6669612
foreskin is an important anatomical feature for sex.

oh you don't know that because your dick was butchered.

Yeah it's just like removing your appendix, or your tonsils..

Like how we remove everyone's appendix and tonsils preventative surgery style at birth!

Gogo circumcision!

>>6673506
It increases pleasure a bit, it is neither important nor functional for procreation.

>>6673502
STDs are more easily transmitted in folds of the foreskin that harvest bacteria almost as bad as the dirty bacteria ridden vaginal walls, herpes is much more prevalent in many parts of europe, asia, and afrrica, genital herpes usually lives where it is cold and slightly moist and I don't just mean your mother's vagina.

A bit???? As the unwilling victim of a circumcision at age 21, I can say it's more than a bit. I would say that 80-90% of sexual pleasure is provided by the foreskin nerve endings, and in a way I envy those circumcised at birth, because that way I would never have known what I am missing.

>>6673538
Oh, and: If foreskin folds are a problem for STD transmission, why are we not in the Western World performing Pharaonic circumcision of baby girls as a public health measure?

>>6673569
It much more invasive, takes longer to heal, has more complications, etc.

>>6673529
No that's stupid, we should removes everyone's arms as a preventative for wrist cancer.

>>6673538
>herpes is much more prevelent in many parts of europe, asia and afrrica

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/10/07-046128/en/

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/10/07-046128-table-T3.html

The lowest prevalence was in western Europe, where prevalence reached a maximum of around 18% among women and 13% among men. The highest prevalence was in sub-Saharan Africa, where prevalence reached a maximum of 70% among women and around 55% among men.


Western Europe also has the lowest rate of circumcision, while Africa has the highest. The US had a higher rate of infection than Western Europe as well. The same trends also apply to the prevalence of HIV infection, so obviously circumcision is extremely ineffective as a preventative measure for STDs.

>>6669703
Your ignorance is breathtaking. Google Meissner Corpuscles.

>>6673576
fuck

>>6673573
Funny, a few years ago, I read a news report on violence perpetrated by Aceh locals on Christians. This woman told of their village being attacked by Muslim extremists, who cut off the clitoris' from all the women and circumcised all the men. She said that she felt very sorry for the men, because of the sheer size of the wound, and that the women fared much better. We are just talking about wounds here, of course, not long-term quality-of-life effects.

>>6673576
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/

There are many other factors, it is bad science to jump to that conclusion without considering all the factors, you link even says it is more related to the amount of development, but the fact is that circumcision reduces the amount of moist soft tissue where bacteria can live, it isn't a preventative measure, but it has been shown to reduce the chances of hosting an infection.

>>6673588
>the fact is that circumcision reduces the amount of moist soft tissue where bacteria can live
So does limb amputation and organ removal.

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>>6673576
>dat correlation implies causation

>>6673594
Oh yea, I forgot about all the STDs people are getting through their limbs and organs.

>>6673588
But why go to the lengths of amputating a healthy and functioning part of the body when condoms, sexual education and personal hygiene are all far more effective at preventing STDs?

>>6673595
>>6673588
Obviously circumcision doesn't solve the problem, as there wouldn't be a positive correlation between the high rates of STDs and high rates of circumcision, even if it does mitigate it slightly.

http://www.circumstitions.com/HIV-SA.html

>It would take 56 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of HIV

>>6673611
>a positive correlation between the high rates of STDs and high rates of circumcision
You didn't show a universal positive correlation, you cherry picked a couple of countries, when UK is the lowest STDs and has a moderate rate of circumcision and Latin American countries like Argentina and Bolivia often have low rates of circumcision and high rates of herpes.

"Wanna prevent STDs? Just cut the tip of your dick off!"

21st century science, ladies and gents.

>>6673618
Whatever, my point wasn't to show a correlation, it was to refute what >>6673538 said.

In any case, http://www.circumstitions.com/HIV-SA.html clearly shows the risk reduction ratio is pathetic considering you are permanently removing a healthy, functioning body part. Would you really willingly cut part of yourself off for a one in 56 chance you won't get an STD from unprotected sex with a diseased skank, when you could just use a condom or be a bit responsible with who you stick it in?

The real reason non-Jewish/Muslim Americans are circumcised is because it was presented as a way of preventing boys from committing the sin of masturbation during the late C19th. Once it became normalized, the original reasons were forgotten and parents have it carried out because they don't want their child to be 'different'. However, this obviously isn't the most valid reason for the continuation of the practice, so the reasons have been changed in hindsight to those of preventing disease.

>>6673633
>Would you really willingly cut part of yourself off for a one in 56 chance you won't get an STD from unprotected sex with a diseased skank, when you could just use a condom or be a bit responsible with who you stick it in?


This should be on posters in neonatal wards.

>>6669448
Jesus. People need to get better at sex. That is just sad, sad reading.
>Love, /d/

>>6674401
>bumping a pure shit thread 10 hours later

>>6674412
>Caring about necroing
>On 4chan

>>6669454
You didn't forget this point, but i'd like to pronounce it some more:
If you are a woman below 4/10 you are FUCKED in the most unliteral way possible, both psychologically and socially, and will only find some desparate beta faggot unless you have some sort of talent, which is probanly not the case. And a lot of women are below 4/10 , atleast where I live.

>>6669550
>Le funneigh fedora meighmeigh
You seem to be lost, you probably wanted to go here
>>>/b/

>>6669903
what is on the y- axis?

>do you even statistics

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>>6671262
its because most /sci/entists fail basic theoretical philosophy lectures.

>tfw im studying physics and taking many philosophy classes bc it's interesting to be better than most of the philosophy students (most lack logical thinking)

>>6670827
>attempt suicide more often than men
>succeed less often

women struggle even by killing themselves.

>top kek

>>6670008
So when are you taking your parents to the Hague?

OH GOD MY PARENTS DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE FUCKING LORD!

Get over it, pussy.

>>6675847
File
fucking
name

and I'll say it right now for any edgy fucker who's going to say it

>do you even 4chan

>>6676870
still a shitty graph.

>>6670831
/thread