What is the likelihood that an advanced civilization existed

>>6576957
Modern humans evolved 1 million years ago

10,000 years ago we have cave art

Between then and about 3000 BC not much is recorded

I'd say possibly, we "know" of some through legends like Atlantis and Lemuria, and teh library of alexandria was burnt down so we technically have tons of lost knowledge and possibly history.

So again, maybe.

>>6576970
who said it had to be a human civilization?

We would have found evidence. It's not impossible, but at the very least they weren't as advanced as us. If humans died out right now, in 1 million years there would absolutely be traces of our civilization.

Good chance of some neolithic civilizations go unrecorded

Not so good chance of any advanced type

>>6576976
Baghdad battery?

>>6576978
man, that sounds awfully depressing to be forgotten completely

>>6576983
Yeah but even if that was "common" technology for that civilization, it would be at least 150 years behind our own.

>>6576976
How much of the ocean floor have we searched thoroughly? What about the possibility that traces of their civilization were actively removed?

>>6576986
Depends on how you quantify civilizations

fossil fuels r bad m8

>>6576991
We've known about galvanic cells since ~1800, a "battery" of that sophistication is baby tier, even for the 1800s.

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>>6576972
I don't think ancient aliens is a discussion /sci/ can handle without spergging out.

>>6576976
In 9000 years the great pyramids will have eroded away, I read this in a magazine as a kid so don't quote me on that.

Anyways according to /x/philes Altantis(Atlanta) was actually the islands of Indonesia when they were connected, when the ice caps were thicker and the sea level was lower. Notrhing really to do with Atlantic Ocean.

Also, the melting of the ice caps could account for the ancient "global flood"

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>advanced

If you mean like advanced civilizations by ones ahead of the curve, probably. Ones that created electricity, spaceships, ancient alien pseudo crap? Definitely not.

many ruins have been discovered to have ruins beneath them, which you might think to be much older civilization buried and long forgotten, that had been built atop of by newer civilization. Carbon dating proves otherwise. These buried cities are actually newer.

>>6577026

That's not possible.

>>6577027
>excavate underneath some ruins
>build your house there
>become the badass

>>6577027
>That's not possible.
carbon dating is based on exposure. buried is not exposed, so it will test younger. you have to take this into consideration, when you carbon date test, and fudge your numbers to make it say what you want it to say.

>>6577064
troy is like that

>>6577059

Can you give me a link? I'm skeptical that an older civilization is built over a newer one.

>>6577070
He's pointing out the flaws of carbon dating, it's always like that.

depends on what you mean by 'advanced'. human societies tend to reach a technological point beyond which they refuse to advance any further based on deference to the existing social order, then experience a long period of stagnation before completely collapsing. over that time of stagnation there will be many amazing 'miraculous' developments, by members of the social elite, seemingly anachronous. the chief example would be the romans, who had the ingredients of industrial revolution as early as 1BC but failed to ever achieve it out of deference to their slavery system. over the following centuries many incredible things were made, sadly most apparently lost to time, but somewhat recorded of.

egyptians and chinese experienced the same exact thing. presumably earlier cultures did, at lesser levels and thus for lesser stakes. given the vast scale and unknown stretches of our history, there may be an unknown supercycle happening, where we have been reaching some level even beyond our own. that is hard to believe given the lack of remaining physical elements, but then again, with the technologies we are ourselves looking to be mastering in the very near future, nothing is really inconceivable.

>>6577008
They've been there for 4500 years already and not much has changed. I think they'll be there for a long time yet.

The fact that there's abundant oil in the ground seems to imply that no civilization on earth has ever reached a state as advanced as ours. Otherwise they would have taken advantage of such an abundant energy source.

>>6577192
Probably. But a small civilization wouldn't make a noticeable impact in resources.

>>6576972
>>6577008
Non human doesn't mean alien.

>>6576957
>What is the likelihood that an advanced civilization existed long ago on Earth and was wiped out?
It's multiculturalism. The neanderthals had bigger brains - they turned liberal and started accepting homosapians to live with them and breed, ultimately the degenerate homosapians outbred them in vast numbers and destroyed society much like Idiocracy. Then homosapians had to evolve to survive on their own. Rinse and repeat.

>>6577233
WIll /pol/ leave?

>>6576957
Advance as in our level of advance? No likely hood whatsoever. Not even industrial level technology.

>b-but why?????

Surface metals. For a civilization to advance they need to utilize mass amounts of surface deposits of metals and other resources such as oil. There is no evidence of surface metals being mined, or in use. Also we can track human evolution, so in the time span since modern humans have developed and today there hasn't been enough time for the evidence of their civilization to erode.

>>6577239
>WIll /pol/ leave?
>implying everyone that isn't here for homework help isn't from /pol/

>>6576957
Incredibly unlikely.

I mean. listen. All Human cities which were not deliberatly razed to the ground have left remains. Okay? Old Europe existed around 5000 years ago. We found it.

If there was some ancient advanced civilization, it would have left some evidence. If it existed it didn't use metal. Just try to picture an advanced civilization which left no metal behind. It's not a feasible hypothesis.

>>6577008

>Also, the melting of the ice caps could account for the ancient "global flood"

Not even close. Even if all of the ice on the planet melted the sea level would not raise THAT much. The bible said that all land was submerged. For the Earth to be submerged to the height of Everest you would need an almost incomprehensible volume of water...

Coincidentally this also invalidates the bible :O

They would appear in the geologic record.

>>6577243
>If there was some ancient advanced civilization, it would have left some evidence.
It did. There are sunken pyramids in the oceans from the gulf of mexico through japan and europe. Society always tends to cling to the water for trade, food and a nice view - after the last ice age sea levels increased significantly and sank probably every place our ancestors were living.

>>6577243
What if they used all the metal to build spaceships and leave, or other societies plundered all the metal to use for weapons and stuff?

>>6577257
Fucking jesus dude are you really that stupid?

>>6577268
It would explain the extreme lack of Gold on Earth compared to elsewhere in the solar system.

>>6576957
100%

We killed all the nazzies a while back.

>>6577274
No we didn't.
see >>>/pol/

>>6577275
DAE demographics?
>2014
>not realizing /pol/ is 85% jew, 10% shill, 4.99% random anons and 0.01% stormfaggots typing furiously

>>6577244
>Not even close. Even if all of the ice on the planet melted the sea level would not raise THAT much.
There are sunken pyramids off the coast of every continent except antarctica - I'd say the sea levels went up enough to sink the ancient civilizations (especially since we have had a tendency, especially in our past vs the present, to cling to the oceans for trade and food).

>>6577070
>I'm skeptical that an older civilization is built over a newer one.

one example is the sphinx / pyramid age debate
some say that the pyramids are 8000 years old and the sphinx was built next to it 5000 years later. they blame shoddy workmanship of "the kids today" for the sphinx falling apart.

others say that the pyramids were built later and the sphinx is 10,000 years old, which is why it looks older, and beneath the sphinx is the ancient city.

some people can't take a hint, these people need a ton of bricks to fall on their heads.
here's their story.

1)ancient city gets buried in sand.
2)we must have angered the gods
3)sacrifice a goat
4)dig out city, go back to work
5)city gets buried again
6)two virgin goats - the ultimate sacrifice
7)dig city out
8)build roofs over streets between buildings
to keep sand out.
9)sand buries city again
10)sweet, the streets are not as hot underground.
11)more sand
12)dude where's my camel
13)dig out entrance to city
14)build monument to help find entrance to buried city (sphinx)
15)piss gods off again, sphinx buried
16)more virgins for the gods
17)dig out city entrance
18)dig out sphinx
19)design elaborate tunnel system to get to the surface in case the gods bury them again
20)add layers to make tunnel taller as gods blow in more sand.
21)each layer smaller than foundation, eventually down to one brick (top of pyramid)
22)more sand. no survivors make it out of tunnel

You have to look at what advanced really means. There could have been an amount of shared information about generally living a good life among a small group of 10,000 human animals. Fuck all that industrial crap. That's the shit that is destroying the planet.

>>6577309
>one example is the sphinx / pyramid age debate
It wasn't even until the mid-late 90's they realized the great pyramids were aligned with orion's belt. That shit was obvious enough to spot as an 8 year old when I first saw a map of them (after having already looked up at the stars with the slight offset on orion's belt being the most striking thing in the entire sky). Archeologists are basically psychologists with less checks on the quality of their work.

>>6577192
Modern humans didn't start harnessing oil meaningfully until the 18th century, and they were still civilized before that.

>>6576957
100%

There was Atlantis 12,000 years ago and those flying cities remnants 12,000-8,000 years ago that nuked themselves into oblivion over India

>>6576972
well it certainly wouldn't be nigger civilization

33.34%

>>6577361
My point was that we can be sure that no civilization in the past has ever reached the point we're at now. The point of my post was to establish a strong upper bound on any speculation.

>>6577369
Flying cities? Anyone care to elaborate on what he is talking about? Sounds pretty cool.

>>6577218
So what, are we talking aboot reptilians on /sci/ now?

>>6577244
Never said the global flood HAD to cover every bit of land exactly like in the bible, just had to raise the sea level a bit and evryone aroudn teh world would freak out (like what's aboot to happen to us again anyways...)

>>6577369
Explain yourself.

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>>6576985
it the ultimate fate of humanity,

>>6576957
Well there was Egypt and Mesopotamia. The Babylonians built a lot of crazy shit, they had to pretty advanced to build it, like the hanging gardens which we never saw but only know of through literature.Then there was that giant maze. The Egyptians built the pyramid. All in all they had a prosperous society. Electricity and chemistry are very complicated fields that separate modern society from the advanced society of the past.

>>6576957
The likelihood for this is a non zero number greater than 0% and just a hair higher than whatever is next to 0%.
It completely depends on weather the world as we perceive it is real and our archeological record is valid or if it's false and just a computer generated cartoon.

Go watch the history channel if you are interested in this kinda stuff, they have a great show where the ancient alien terrorists forward their claims.

>>6576978
>Not so good chance of any advanced type

Civilizations developed around food sources
lush fertile valleys with fresh water, or waterfall
wake up, and food is outside your door getting a drink from the stream.
trouble with valleys is erosion, avalanche,landslide, tectonic plates playing leapfrog, lava. not a safe place to be, when a mountain falls on top of you filling the groove.
whole cities got stuck in the rut, and new ones built on top later on. Was it Pittsburgh, where they found the indian gold under a construction site? could be a whole indian city down there under the sediment.

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>>6576989
>How much of the ocean floor have we searched thoroughly?
Ocean floors are all brand new.

>>6576957
Some geologist's blog site lightly touched on the subject of an unknown prehuman civilization(smart trilobites/dinosaurs/whatever) and what kind of evidence they'd leave behind of their existence. He didn't go into too many details since it was for amusement but he said they would have left lots of garbage dumps and there'd be unusual, abrupt ends in mineral deposits from ancient mining operations.

>>6577535
To expand on this

Based on the layout and abundance of minerals, nuclear isotopes, oil, basically anything that needs to be extracted from the Earth, it's safe to say that there hasn't been another civilization before humans that got further than very simple tribes.

I always wondered how we would know if, for example, some dinosaurs had advanced social structures and maybe used tools. After 65 million years would anything be left? Bones fossilize, but would an arrowhead be left? Is there a way for string, nets, organic material for shoes or gloves, to last 65 million years? What ways are there to detect such a civilization?

At any rate, no, no other advanced civilizations before man.

>>6577059
>carbon dating is based on exposure
wat

>>6577515
What does Ma stand for? They might be new on geological timescales, but not on civilization ones...

>>6576957
Nobody cited Çatalhöyük http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk
acme at 7000BC (facts, not speculation)

>>6577539
>>6577535
How thoroughly have we explored the Earth's geological history? Maybe we just haven't found it yet.

Maybe they were mole people and lived near the center of the Earth, harnessing its geothermal energy to power steam turbines.

>>6577690
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaannum#SI_prefix_multipliers

Ma=10^6 years.
Standard unit in geology

>>6577302
>By this do you mean Pyramids that were constructed using water to do most of the heavy lifting (as is a popular theory to explain the pyramids' construction).

>we have had a tendency, especially in our past vs the present, to cling to the oceans for trade and food
This is interesting. I hadn't considered the fact that large flooding would have that kind of impact even if it wasn't to the extent that the bible suggests. That said you're absolutely right.

>>6577309
That was way to much fun to read.

>>6577313
>Fuck all that industrial crap. That's the shit that is destroying the planet.
this

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>>6578005
>>6577313
Shut up, hippies. Advanced industrialized societies are the only ticket we have of ever getting off of the Earth.

>>6578009
>Advanced industrialized societies are the only ticket we have of ever getting off of the Earth.

Excellent point anon. We are looking in the wrong place. For our future we need to look to Mars. So it stand to reason, that we need to look to Venus for our past industrial civilizations. When pollution and Goreball worming made Venus uninhabitable, the N.O.A.H. corporation brought us to Earth.
Venus is where we'll find our ancient technologically advanced civilizations.

It's too bad that yall are hating on my /pol/. I'm a math major too jewknow.

>>6577702
>Maybe they were mole people and lived near the center of the Earth, harnessing its geothermal energy to power steam turbines.

"Old faithful" @Yellowstone could be them sending us signals from below. Has SETI ever analyzed the data from old faithful?

>>6578009
>Shut up, hippies. Advanced industrialized societies are the only ticket we have of ever getting off of the Earth.

Grow up idiot. The worm turned a long time ago. Your generation takes it up the ass all day every day and you don't do jack shit about it because you have zero moral or ethical basis.

Take a look around, dude. These people are living the life- wasting all the energy and making the planet uninhabitable for your generations. You don't even have the brain to recognize it, despite the over fucking whelming amount of evidence. Its out there, in your face.

All you can do is grasp for whatever imaginary prescription you've been sold though the culture. That the magic rocket can take you to space, to some other world.

You've been lied to by everyone you know your whole miserable life.

Everything you know is wrong.

All you do is regurgitate the myths, the lies about what it all means. You're toast. You have no future. The best mids of your generation are spending their lives figuring out how to get you to click on an advertisement for something you don't need.

>>6578037

Too bad its just an escapist fantasy to maintain your own position of privilege in a world of rapidly disappearing resources and mounting danger.

Seriously feel sorry for you idiot kids. I seriously do. You have been mislead. The world is being destroyed, and you are powerless. All you can do is retreat in an infantile fantasy. You've been lied to, robbed, raped, left for dead.

>>6578235
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying interplanetary colonization is impossible? Do you think humans should all live in hippy communes and take up basket weaving?

zero

>>6576976
First. There would be records of some cataclysmic event.
Second. Even if lots of stuff won't be in pristine condition, lots of stuff would be recognizable as not nature-made.

>>6578238
Sounds like you're the one who has lost hope.
Faith in science is your salvation, anon.

He who believeth in me shall be delivered unto the heavens. - Raptor 24. Verse 17

>>6577026
Why carbon dating? Carbon dating is primarily used for plants and non-aquatic animals. You would need to use some kind of different type of radiometric dating for that.

>>6578282
Carbon dating differs from eharmony and other dating services in many ways. The first only works on decaying plants, while the latter was designed for breeding animals.

>>6578009
Not really. While industry helps scientific advancement, there's still the issue that you can't assign 9 women to make a baby in one month.

Science could quietly proceed without expansion of industry. Science and industry have proceeded together in an explosion of positive feedback, one feeding the other, but mostly science feeding industry, rather than the reverse. Science could have carried on confined to ivory towers, at a slower pace, but inexorably.

You could go straight to robot-built fusion space ships without ever taking the peasants out of the field.

The main objection to this isn't that it's impossible, but that it's silly. Why forego the benefits of technology? When there's a war, do you seriously stay in your ivory tower instead of helping your country defend itself? What about plague and famine? Why not do something about poverty?

>>6578331
>Science could have carried on confined to ivory towers, at a slower pace, but inexorably.
I doubt this very much.

>>6578331
Wrong.
Modern science cannot exist without industry. Many of the modern scientific devices wouldn't be possible if there wasn't surplus of food to feed all the scientists and large-scale precisions machinering to produce those devices.

See: Large Hadron Collider

>>6578338
What would stop it?

>>6578349
>See: Large Hadron Collider
These sorts of megaprojects have provided us with vanishingly little of our scientific knowledge, and almost nothing of practical importance.

Wakefield accelerators demonstrate that much more efficient devices would have eventually become possible, if the funds weren't available to simply take the brute force approach.

Furthermore, there are cosmic rays to work with.

>>6578360
Ok. See: Fusion reactors

You are saying you could go straight to fusion from peasants on the field.
Then why are scientists struggling with them? Because they don't have resources to actually research them properly. And it would be even harder to get those resources if there wasn't industry to back it up.

Or see : Space flight
Do you think scientists figured out how to fly into space using rocks and sticks? No, they had to go through many trial and errors using test devices. And they could only create those test devices because industry existed that could produce them.

What you are saying is that any scientist should be fine with just theoretical science, without the practical side to actually try things out.

>>6578352
The lack of precision manufacturing to build high-end research equipment.

>>6577313
>>6578005
Yeah fuck having more than half your children live to adulthood, access to clean drinking water, security against famine, modern indoor plumbing, vaccines, and antibiotics.

The Ancients were much more advanced than us.

>>6578407
>The Ancients were much more advanced than us.
that's a conservative's estimate. liberals think they are smarter than their parents. until mommy and daddy cut them off, and they have to beg for food

>>6578370
Oh, does it seem to you like the Big Science approach to nuclear fusion is working?

Decades ago, they said, "Give us the money, and you'll see results in a few years." Now they say, "Give us the money, and you'll see results after I'm retired."

There's no reason to believe throwing more money at it will make it happen, in any meaningful sense. We're stuck waiting nine months for one woman to make a baby, and the problem isn't that we haven't fucked enough women to make a baby in one month.

>using rocks and sticks
>just theoretical science, without the practical side
You're being an idiot. That's not what I was talking about at all.

Not building up an industrial society doesn't mean working in pure theory or having only primitive labs. Fine hand-crafted instruments are the root from which industry grows, not the other way around.

Things would take longer this way obviously, as I've said before, but we'd still make progress, and we'd still eventually reach robots building robots to build anything you want.

>>6576957
>What is the likelihood that an advanced civilization existed long ago on Earth and was wiped out?

About a resounding fat fucking 0.

>>6578393
Meanwhile, in poor places....

>>6578253
The Underwater Basket Weaving Championships will be a thing mannnnnnn.

>>6578469
>Decades ago, they said, "Give us the money, and you'll see results in a few years." Now they say, "Give us the money, and you'll see results after I'm retired."
Because no one has given them the money they need yet. The trickle of money they get allows just for theoretical research with barely any practical one.

>There's no reason to believe throwing more money at it will make it happen, in any meaningful sense. We're stuck waiting nine months for one woman to make a baby, and the problem isn't that we haven't fucked enough women to make a baby in one month.
Thats extremely terrible comparison. Science needs resources. And those resources are quite often sofisticated machines. And sofisticated machines can only be made by advanced industry. The reason why giving them more money works is for example with current funding, they can buy 1 device every half a year. If they had money for 1 device every month. They could make many more experiments and advance the science faster. Science is such a broad discipline that the there is always a place where money makes things move faster.

The reason why USA was able to put a man on the moon was because they invested massive amount of money into it. Nowadays, NASA gets only small fraction of what they get during cold war. And thats the reason why we need to beg russians to pick us up.

>That's not what I was talking about at all.
Yes you are. Experiments need money to execute. Without money, there is no experiment and no practical science. Just a theory.

>Not building up an industrial society doesn't mean working in pure theory or having only primitive labs.
Yes, it does.

> Fine hand-crafted instruments are the root from which industry grows, not the other way around.
And who crafts those instruments? Oh right. Every peasant can make coil of superconducting supermagnet in their backyard to use on that nice fussion reactor of yours.

>Things would take longer this way obviously
No. They would never be finished.

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Do you think that maybe in all the millions of years that they ruled...

That maybe there was an advanced Reptile civilization?

I mean, after the Great Impact, 90% of all reptile species went extinct. We may never know if super advanced Reptiles had existed.

Given that they had hundreds of millions of years, it MUST have happened...

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>mfw some smartass claims that we haven't been in contact with aliens

>“We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone; we have been helped by people of other worlds.” - Hermann Oberth

How about the water erosion on the sphinx?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis

>>6576970
>Atlantis
hold on now, Atlantis is just a name that Plato made on the spot to tell an allegory.

>>6578260
You mean like the well documented mass extinction just 15-12000 years ago that killed off the megafauna, completely reformed continents through receding glaciers and rose sea level by 400ft and how the the strongest theory right now for the cause of it was giant asteroid hitting in of the poles?

Yeah. No evidence of catastrophic earth change and humans just so happen to begin having a written history just 2000 years after this event. Or that Plato himself dates the time of Atlantis' destruction to be at 12,000.
Yup, no easy as fuck dots to connect here.

>>6579340
>Atlantis

Please kill yourself.

>>6576978
>Good chance of some neolithic civilizations go unrecorded
>Not so good chance of any advanced type

This.

>>6579353
This reaction is why we can't have nice things.

Perhaps they killed themselves.

>>6579378

No, your misinformed /x/ drivel is why we can't have nice things.

>>6579310
>Plato made
Pleb

>>6579353
*tips fedora*

>>6579554
That is literally the wrong usage of that meme.

>>6576970
trip fag all you do is post retarded bullshit just fucking gtfo

>>6579590
He's calling you an a-atlantis-ist, so in his mind he's using it right.

>>6576970

None of this is right. Please die.

>>6577244
You act as if the individuals recording the bible and the people during the time were aware of the entirety of the world. Relative to them, all the land could have flooded. It doesn't mean all the land actually flooded because they were not knowledgable about all land.

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>>6576957
Mandatory. Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have both put together a lot of great information about this topic.

http://youtu.be/RvHD-oLT-qE

>pic related. Madagascar Chevrons showing at one time a tsunami hit the Indian Ocean leaving behind sediment 600 feet high. This is mirrored off the coast of Africa and Australia. This would have really fucked up Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-SzwTm-VM

could something along the lines of the movie 10,000 BC be possible? Some caveman groups, and one powerful Egypt-esque civilization?

>>6578037
Calculating the rate of our Sun's expansion backwards... How long ago might it have been that Venus had a similar atmosphere to what the earth has today? approximately.

>>6580873
Today:
Venus is 67 million miles from the Sun.
+26M
Earth is 93 million miles from the Sun.
+49M
Mars is 142 million miles from the Sun.

When the Sun was smaller, the temperature on Venus was at some point similar to The temperature on Earth today.
As the Sun grows in size, it will do the same to Earth that it did to Venus, and by that time, Mars's ice will have started to melt, and create oceans, and atmosphere. Our solar system will automatically terraform Mars.

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>>6580873
Today, the Sun has a 864327 mile diameter.

The mission to Mars can wait. Venus is running out of time. We need to return to Venus and recover the technology that we left behind. That technology will help us get to Mars, when the time comes, just as it got us to Earth in the past.

>>6577422

More than likely, but there is always hope. It is just a really tricky proposition. So many pitfalls and so many hurdles. Well, if we fail, there will be others, perhaps maybe not from earth that will take our place.

>>6580927
>we need to go to Venus
>so we can get the technology needed
>to get to Mars

You need to return to /x/, to search for that you left behind, that you might not be a brainless fucking idiot when post or talk to other people.

>>6580899
Do you think, assuming if everything pans out nicely on Mars, we should introduce oxygen producing lifeforms like moss and shit to Mars to kickstart the life there along with oxygen production although this will mean probably killing all possible native life through competition?

>>6580927
Mars doesn't have enough mass to hold an atmosphere. It isn't terraformable.

i read that mars had an atmosphere until another large planet sized mass scraped against it causing that huge scar on it's surface and destroying its atmosphere

is this true

>>6577402
This, they either did didn't or a bit of both

>>6579353
>>6579465
>implying your unwavering faith in the nonexistence of atlantis is /x/ tier
I literally cannot tip enough

>>6576957
> What is the likelihood that an advanced civilization existed long ago on Earth and was wiped out?

Zero. Precisely zero. Any advanced civilization leaves a lot of industrial detritus behind. You can't hide all that. It also changes the air. It also leaves chemically interesting deposits behind, so time can't really erase it either. Not for the NEXT civilization.

>>6576957
Absolutely zero.

but also there was that sekrit ancient mystic colony of super andvanced alien androids in the sp00ky l0st city of 4tl4ntis but all teh info was sp00kily disappeared from teh christians who used crystal power to make their stargates and taveled through space

>>6576970
You are the worst tripfag on the whole fucking board. OMG not even the /fit/ tripfags are this retarded.

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>>6581188
> Any advanced civilization leaves a lot of industrial detritus behind.

How can you know this ?

You are not allowed to say that it is unlikely but not that it is impossible.

>>6576957
There are thousands of reported sites, many well documented where the Smithsonian reportedly collected, and removed, contents, artifacts, and remains, which were never to be seen again.

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Edgar Cayce revealed the location of Atlantis to one of his clients from Washington, and shortly afterwards the entire area was sealed off. Access is still restricted today at Area 51

>>6583723
>Atlantis, first mentioned by an ancient Greek, was in the American southwest

>>6581188
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous_Thermal_Maximum
What about this? Now that's interesting..

>>6583840
>Atlantis, first mentioned by an ancient Greek, was in the American southwest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

Why did it take billions of years for an advanced civilization to appear?

>>6584418
from the human perspective that must seem like an eternity. muhahaha

>>6584433
Fuck off fag I was observing the humans first

>>6577314
How do you make the link between stuff on the ground and stars?

>>6584418
I think this thread is disappointing because that is the assumption most posters make. To not talk about the possibility of advanced earth life before humanity seems arrogant.

That being said I fucking doubt it.

>>6584433
Maybe from a photon's perspective.

>>6584450
pretty much everywhere on earth except the polar regions, stares at Orion's crotch, at some point in the solar cycle

>>6584456
Isn't there a layer of rock we can't even puncture yet?

About the same likelihood that man will evolve into a 4wheeled animal named car.

>>6584485
liberal skulls are too dense to xray, but there's nothing to see in there anyway, and certainly no civilization hiding in there.

>>6584492
what if there was some metals or materials we didn't used that we can no longer acquire because the used deposits were mined billions of years ago? For example the Mesoamericans used obsidian as much as possible but old worlders utilized shit like iron instead.

>>6584505
The church sent it's armies to the corners of the earth with instructions to destroy all things unholy. You would not believe the list of things thought to be instruments of Satan. The common table fork, was literally ripped from the pages of history. Fork users were tried and burned at the stake. Their children raped and forced into slavery.
Many ancient civilizations have been found, but hopefully the most sacred will remain secret, until the world has rid itself of religion.

Every day I'm tipping it

>>6577302

Australian Pyramids? Proof please.

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>>6584794