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Do you scienticians and mathematists have stereotypes for other branches? Like, do physicists make fun of geologists and stuff? What are some of the stereotypes people in your field have of other fields?
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>>6576377
>Physicists are arrogant pricks.
>Pure mathematicians are antisocial and insane.
>Engineers are homosexual.
>Geology is the worst science.
>Biology is almost as bad as geology.
>Chemistry is dumbed-down physics.
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Not really, except all fields collectively agree that engineers are raging homosexuals.
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>>6576386
/thread
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8z2MxZ32U4
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>>6576386
>>engineers are homosexual

what is that even supposed to mean?
like. its is supposed to be offensive?
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>>6576377
Physics guy here
>Mathematicians waste time by being overly rigorous
>Chemists are doing dumbed-down physics
>Biologists should kill themselves
>Computer scientists are nerds
>Engineers don't matter because they're not real scientists
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>>6576403
>its is [sic] supposed to be offensive?
This is a science board. We are simply reporting observations.
If it offends someone that engineers are flaming homosexuals (to use the technical term), then so be it. But it was never our intentions to offend.
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>>6576410
Turbulence is the most important unsolved problem of classical physics.
- Richard Feynman

Who do you think is doing cutting edge research on fluids?
\mathbf{Hint} %It's not physicists
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>>6576403
>>>engineers are homosexual
>what is that even supposed to mean?
>like. its is supposed to be offensive?
You must be new here.

check out the pic.
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>>6576377
I'm no scientist, but it seems to be that a lot of science jokes revolve around:

>Physicists being impractical because they deal with ideal models that over-simplify reality in order to make it understandable. "Assume the cow is spherical and in a vacuum" etc etc
>Mathematicians are impractical because their field is not applied directly to life, but deals with abstractions. Finding the solution, but not employing it, because finding it marks the end of the equation.
>Engineers are the opposite of the above. They are so concerned with applicability and practicality and "things that work" that they are unconcerned about the core principles, and only care about whether results are produced. The dismiss anything not readily apparently useful. Because they spend more time thinking about "design" than basic science, they tend to think that nature follows designs as well, which is why engineers are more drawn to creationism than other scientists.
>Biology is a soft science that is hardly rigorous at all and is maybe a step above social science.
>Social science isn't science.
>Philosophy isn't even whatever social science is. It's just there to piss off scientists with pointless questions while they try to do important things.
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>>6576428
>muh forced meme
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>>6576431
> ^ How to Find an Engineer on 4chan
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>All that hate for Biology
What's wrong with protein engineering or applied genetics?
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>>6576436
So?
Are you going to insinuate I'm sucking cocks now?

memes belong on /b/.
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>>6576423
>"hurr durr classical physics is all of physics"
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>>6576445
Biology attracts a large number of premeds and women. As a result, /sci/ feels the need to project their anger at an entire field to make themselves feel better.
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>>6576452
> muh strawman
Where the fuck did you read that?
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>>6576462
Ok, I'll reword what I said:
>"hurr durr unsolved problems of classical physics are even half as important as those of theoretical physics"
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>>6576448
>fun and community do not belong here
This kills the board.
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>>6576461
Kinda what i expected. Personally i'm into neurosciences, so i do understand why people may call it soft science.
But there's plenty of fields which i'd place right up there with, say, math or physics. Mainly the practical uses of genetics, biochemistry or physiology.
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>>6576445
>>All that hate for Biology
That comes mostly from physicists. Chemists are physicist-wannabes, so they often join in. And mathematicians hate everyone except physicists.
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>>6576469
I am an old man now, and when I die and go to heaven there are two matters on which I hope for enlightenment. One is quantum electrodynamics, and the other is the turbulent motion of fluids. And about the former I am rather optimistic.
- Horace Lamb

How do you define importance?
Applicability? Then classical is more important.
Most General? Then pure math is more important that your shit major

Just because you have your head so far up your ass you can only see QFT doesn't mean that it can apply to anything useful.
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>>6576472
Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.
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>>6576485
/v/ reporting in. Listen to this guy.
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>>6576480
Mathematicians hate physicists more than anyone.

Physicists abuse mathematics.
The others just don't know how to use it.
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>>6576429
>Finding the solution, but not employing it, because finding it marks the end of the equation.
That sentence doesn't even make sense. "The equation". This is exactly why mathfags think everyone else is retarded.
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>>6576495
>Mathematicians hate physicists more than anyone.
in some cases.

On the other hand, mathematicians work with physicists all the time.

For example, Poincaré, Weyl, Noether...
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>>6576527
All generalizations have exceptions.
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>>6576488
/v/ is legitimately idiots though.
>be mad at large companies like EA and Bioware
>take it out on small, indie, and freestarter companies.

Those people don't even care about games as much as they care about being /pol/ and /r9k/'s sounding board reverse social justice.
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Why can't everyone just work together to solve problems? Why does on have to be better than the other?

>mfw Hardy blew the fuck out of biologists studying population genetics
>mfw I'm studying biology

“I should have expected the very simple point which I wish to make to have been familiar to biologists”
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>implying competent scientists are petty enough to have stereotypes about other scientists.

It's usually the incompetent fucks on boards like /sci/ who have stereotypes because they suck at their field so they try to put others down.

The only serious thing I know of is that physicists hate the rigor in mathematics and vice versa.
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>>6576555
Obviously OP didn't mean actual scientists, he meant undergrads.
which is all of /sci/.
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I study Chemical Physics (MPhys), so I guess I can bridge the cap between the two.

First off, the idea Chemistry is dumbed down Physics is really quite wrong, Its not, its more a specialised area of Physics.

Chemistry is like Physics reguarding the behaviour of molecules, atoms, ions etc... during bonding.

I get why pure Physics majors look down on Chem as being 'dumbed down', but at its core, its not much different to particle Physics.
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everytime i see a physicist doing that dx/dy thing and taking these symbols as mathematical objects you can divide, reduce or sum up, something deep inside my heart is dying
or when they do their silly arrows over vector valued variables instead of just stating what kind of objects they're using in their "scrambled letters"-formulas
or when they integrate things without even knowing if the integral exist or not
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>>6576755
But it works! Physicists work in a much nicer world than mathematicians, where everything is well-defined, integrals usually converge, and so on. And sometimes "messier" formulas is a good thing, since then they are more stand alone.
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What do physicists think of physicians?
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>>6576377
as a math guy who went all the way to apply my stuff to biology through physics and chemistry i must say these rivalries are hilariously retarded
but of course people who don't know shit outside their field are going to talk shit about outside their field
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>>6576755
It's very funny, every math teacher told me that using differentials like that was wrong and every physics teacher used it. I always interpreted it as a reduced notation for limits.
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The "Maltese Cross" Geneva stop intermittent mechanism is awesome, and another thing that makes motion pictures projection on film cooler than digital video.
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>>6576755
it works you retard, if you weren't a retarded autist and an actual physicist who knows their shit you'd know exactly why it works and what hypotheses related to derivability and jacobian are true
also that's the way every scientist/mathematician of old worked, from Fourier to Newton
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>>6576386
>Geology is the worst science.
>Biology is almost as bad as geology.

Speglord biologist detected. Geology is brotier, especially geophysics. Biology is absolute shit.
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>>6576386
So true.
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>Biology plants and shit man, they're cool
>Biomedical scientists are failed medics
>Geology is a science?
>Engineering is for faggots
>Chemistry is for those who couldn't understand physics
>Pharmacy is for monkeys
>Physicists are arrogant, not as intelligent as generally percieved
>Mathematicians are introverted and weird
>Medics stupid as fuck but can handle a shit tonne of work
>Midwives are cunts
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>>6576814
It only works for simple cases in one dimension though, but it leads to many errors if you blindly do it.
Let F(x,y) = x + y be a function that defines y implicit by the equation F(x,y) \equiv 0 . If you treat differentials as fractions, you can do something like this:
\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dF}{dx} \frac{dy}{dF} = \frac{ \frac{dF}{dx} }{ \frac{dF}{dy} } = 1

But since y = -x locally on the null set, the proper answer would be:
\frac{dy}{dx} = -1
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>>6576396
Was any of that supposed to be funny?
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>>6576814
And additionally for most cases you can't even commutate these symbols. \frac{df}{dx dy} (x,y) and \frac{df}{dy dx} (x,y) are mostly totally different objects if f isn't C^2 (the requirements can be weaked than just saying f \in C^2 that it works), which is sometimes not the case.
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>>6576872
That's just because of a problem with the notation, though. You consider dF as an infinitisemal increment of F in a one dimensional function. when you use dF in the context of a derivation in respect to x, it's an increment along the x-axis, in derivation with y, it's an increment along the yaxis, theyr'edifferent increments.
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>>6576403
It's a joke about how there is a disproportionately higher amount of men compared to women in engineering. Since there are very few women it stands that in order to satisfy our bestial sexual desires we must therefore turn to men.

It's in principle the same as every joke regarding the Navy and submarines whose crews are also almost exclusively men and are away on long tours of duty often several months away from women.

In practice engineers are not any more gay than anyone else. While there may be very few women in engineering there are other ways to meet women other than "at work."
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>>6576956
That's why this notation is bad and should be avoided. If physicist want to save time in their derivations why don't they just say "and with the chain rule we got" and everyone (even non-physicists) are knowing what's going on.
But more cringeworthy is the part, when they want to solve some ODEs by multiplying the dx's and dy's around and integrating the terms. The result works in most cases, but i wonder if the students are even knowing why it works.
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>>6576872
>F = 0, identically
>dy/dF
>dF in the denominator

There is your problem, you dipshit.
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>>6576987
are you actually retarded?

Read his post again carefully
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>>6576982
We differentiate total derivatives from partial derivatives just fine. This notation is very used in calculations. one of the first things you do in mechanics is writing ds = r d theta for the length of an infinitesimal section of a circle. Then you divide by dt to get linear speeds in respect to angular speed.
You just have to have a good grasp on how to do linear approximations.
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>>6576982
>"they want to solve some ODEs by multiplying the dx's and dy's around and integrating the terms."
>implying that there isn't a rigorous mathematical justification for this technique
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>>6576992
Shut up, if F is set to be a constant, dF is zero, as simple as that. The first "expression" that guy wrote simply can't be carried out
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>>6576386
>>Chemistry is dumbed-down physics.
top kek
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>>6576998
Who are you quoting?
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>>6577001
>if F is set to be a constant, dF is zero
It's pretty obvious that he meant to use a partial derivative, not a regular one.

Though I agree, it's his mistake for writing dF/dx and dF/dy instead of partial derivatives.
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>>6577011
>Who are you quoting?
I quoted the right person. Did you read the post?
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>>6576721

I don't trust someone who claims to be "studying " "MPhys" and cannot properly spell "regarding."

Chemistry is very useful and I don't give a fuck about the superiority complexes of physicists that are upset over the fact that not every organic chemist can write out the time-varied Schrödinger eqn by heart.

[spoiler]Nobody gives a shit about anything outside of practicality. In chemistry, we call it "stamp collecting", but you probably wouldn't know that since you aren't a literary person.[/spoiler]
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>>6577021
I can't find the second line you quoted. Please do your quotes properly.
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>>6577023
not the person you replied to, but I'll bite.

>I don't give a fuck about the superiority complexes of physicists that are upset over the fact that not every organic chemist can write out the time-[dependent] Schrödinger eqn by heart
Physicists do not have superiority complexes; rather, chemists have inferiority complexes.

>Chemistry is very useful
cool story bro.
>Nobody gives a shit about anything outside of practicality.
How plebeian of you.

Why are you so angry anyway?

The person you replied to said
>the idea Chemistry is dumbed down Physics is really quite wrong
And also, you must admit that physics has provided much of the theoretical backbone for chemistry.
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>>6577040
My god, are you blind?

Here is the post I quoted: >>6576982
>That's why this notation is bad and should be avoided. If physicist want to save time in their derivations why don't they just say "and with the chain rule we got" and everyone (even non-physicists) are knowing what's going on.
>But more cringeworthy is the part, when they want to solve some ODEs by multiplying the dx's and dy's around and integrating the terms. The result works in most cases, but i wonder if the students are even knowing why it works.

Right there, in the second line, is the part I quoted.
>"they want to solve some ODEs by multiplying the dx's and dy's around and integrating the terms."

Learn how to read.
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Why limit the discussion to different fields of science? Anyone who works in science must have heard some barbs flung between different subfields of the same discipline. It'll take a lot more people to write about that, though, since that necessarily requires specialist knowledge. The only thing I have to offer is a handful of stories I've heard about combinatorialists trying to snap up all the good grad students and the old joke about topologists being unable to differentiate between a donut and a coffee cup.
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My math professor occasionally makes fun of biology. She says it's "practically a social science".
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>>6577052
i'd love to hear that. i'm learning you guys have a lot of insecurities about your chosen fields.
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>>6576428
>there are people who think you wash your hands after pissing to get the piss off of them
>not realizing that no one wants to touch anything your dickhands have touched
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>>6577065
you do realize this is a thread for jokes, right?
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>>6577068
>not realizing that no one wants to touch anything your dickhands have touched
> implying I go wash my hands every time I touch muh dick

but srsly hand washing is just about hand washing more often so you prevent spread of disease.
If you don't wash your hands when you go to the restroom when are you going to?
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>>6577076
That's only really helpful during winter and when you're sick, unless you live in the third world.

> implying I go wash my hands every time I touch muh dick
Gross.
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>>6577095
>>6577076
my dick's a lot fucking cleaner than my hands. it gets used, it gets washed. my hands not so much. if it's not about piss, then you people are just getting grossed out by cooties.
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>>6577046
not the person you were replying to, but I'll respond:

You are obviously not in the sciences. Chemists are respected universally. Unfortunately, physicists and biologists are not. It has to do with the fact that every large/significant company has at least one chemist working for them. They are the bread and butter of R&D.

I don't know a single chemist with an inferiority complex, either. I know plenty of engineers and physicists that think they are demigods, however.
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>>6577099
>someone holds out their hand to shake hands
>anon pulls his dick out and places it in their hands
>they start to get mad
>"ITS OKAY. HANDS HAVE MORE BACTERIA ON THEM THAN PENISES"

Not everything is about objective measured truths. Sometimes you just have to stop being autistic.
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>>6577103
>company
your plebianness is showing.
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What about representing the Dirac ?-distribution with some L_{1,loc}-function. Now physicists are really going too far with this one, someone need to stop them.
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>>6577105
And sometimes you gotta scratch your balls and smell your finger
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>>6577106
>plebianness

Excuse me, I didn't know I was lecturing to NEET's.
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>>6576755
Actually never understood why math majors get so hot and bothered by this. I've had professors say in all their time spent in physics, they've literally never seen one situation in which this caused any problems. The "sum up" one I've never even seen done before. Either way, as long as you have a somewhat decent understanding of calculus you'll know what's "actually" going on.
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>>6576485
This, so fucking much. Happened on many, many boards, so at least pretend to be an oldfag and mournfully argree.
Memes are bad, especially the dumbfuck ones.
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>>6576755
Uh, or you could realize that there are axiomatic systems based on infinitesimals which explicitly allow manipulations of this sort, and which are also equivalent to/contain whatever ZF-esque axiomatic system you commonly work with. If you want to get huffy about formalism, fine, but don't claim that it's not right... you're just one (usually pretty trivial) theorem away from having it be so. Pedantry isn't a substitute for intelligence.
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>mfw nobody ever talks about biochemists, ever

is it because people just assume biochemistry is just a combination of biology and chemistry (and as bad as both)?
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>>6577403

It's because biochemists attempt to make a career out of drawing cartoons and doing pcr.

All of the structural work is just automated nmr & assignment these days. Biochemists are already being replaced by robots.
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>>6576445

They're just jealous their labs don't have dead bodies, glowing mushrooms or monkies to play with.
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>>6577789
>dead bodies, glowing mushrooms or monkies

Why the fuck would you want exposure to any of those things on a regular basis when you could be a chemist and manipulate reality on a molecular level + play with expensive toys that you don't have to pay for?
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>>6577791

We have those too, I made modified arabidopsis weeds that grew in the fridge and turned blue using expensive toys I didn't have to pay for. Also dead guys are chill as fuck, and less annoying than mathematicians.
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>>6576448
Engineers belong on /hm/
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>>6576377
>see all the people in this thread talking about engineers being homo
>because of no grills
>what are physics, math and compsci
I only know one girl in compsci and she's lesbian.
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>>6576377
>do physicists make fun of geologists

What about geophysicists???
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>>6577805

wow that sure isn't boring

just stop posting you are putting me to sleep
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mathsfag here

Chemists are people who constantly use logical fallacies
They make an hypothesis P, draw a conclusion Q, then they assume Q and check if it implies that P is true.
If it does, they call it a day and claim that they have a proof of Q.
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>>6577822
In my university the students for mathematics are about 40% female. But the distribution in various mathematical fields is very different. In stochastics you got about 75% woman and in numerics you got about 10% or even less.
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>>6576495
Just plain wrong. Most recognize and respect the mutual input those fields provide.

They only go for conflict if they try to impede one ach others' territory. Physics is all about the "what" and math about the "why"
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>>6576495
That's untrue. The only problem they have with each other in regards to rigor.
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>>6577835

kek

You will never work efficiently in a lab you autist
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>>6577357
The treatment of differentials as a fraction always reminds me of this derivation. The result is true, but it doesn't mean you should do so.
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>>6577837
Math is 90% female over here
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>>6577357
Its just annoying because what you're doing doesn't mean anything
Say y=x^2

The sentence dy=2xdx is not valid mathematical notation and doesn't have any proper definition. What does make sense and is often used in analysis is stuff like if y(a)=b,
y-b=2a(x-a)+o(x-a)
Or maybe more compactly
?y=2x?x+o(?x)
Which is kindof what dy=2xdx is hinting at
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>>6576377
You shouldn't trust any stereotype you learn on /sci/.
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>>6578016
Are you telling me engineers aren't cocksuckers and mathfags aren't crazy?
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>>6578016
yeah, i learned that the hard way after citing 4chan in my masters thesis
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>>6577936
Huh, where's that? Asia?
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>>6578060
What did you write?
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>>6578076
it was on wave function collapse /joking obviously
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>>6576386
This is the /sci/ consensus, however in my actually experience at university I have found that the physicist and mathematician stereotypes should be reversed. All the physicists I've met are completely socially inept, like actually painful to be in the same room as them they're so autistic. The mathematicians are actually pretty normal, they're just total assholes.
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>>6576796
While still in school, backstabbers who will do anything to increase their gpa and lower the gpa's of their competitors.
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>>6576377
the raised crescent moon-shaped thing in your pic is superfluous.
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>>6577076
>>6577099
>>6577095
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>all this shitting on biology

Only when not applied to a relevant specialization. Pure physicists and chemists are not going to cure cancer or slow the aging process. Chemically based pharmeceudicals will lose ground by biotechnology based protein therapeutics in the next century.

>implying fields of science are not all parts of a whose cooperation is imperative to bettering the human condition
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>>6578683
>implying that the only (or even the primary) purpose of science is to "better the human condition"
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>>6578683
>Chemically based pharmeceudicals will lose ground by biotechnology based protein therapeutics

you've got your work cut out for you as far as ROAs nigga.
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>>6576872

hmm what are you doing??

y = -x is false.

y = F(x,y)-x is true
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>>6578683
lol do you even pharmacokinetics?
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>>6577781
>[Research Techs] are already being replaced by robots.
this is the same for any field. PIs will always be necessary, regardless of the efficiency or amount of work the technology can accomplish.
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>>6578727
Look up the implicit function theorem. y is defined implicit on a certain neighbourhood s.t. F(x,y(x)) = 0 locally. Otherwise \frac{dy}{dx} wouldn't make much sense.
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>>6576816
is brotier good or bad?
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>>6578790
Your point?

>>6578695
If that was an issue Genentech and other Bay Area firms would not be actively investing in new facilities or collaborating with colleges and universities to produce the techs that they need to run the bioreactors.

>>6578687
>implying it is not
Must be easy for you to say that when you didn't die of infection or disease as a child, and sit comfortably in your home communicating wirelessly. This is the net result of scientific progress and it motivates me to take it further. But by all means, feel free to share your enlightened reasons instead of being a simple contrarian.
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>>6578969
Depends if you're a bro or not.
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>>6579045
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter even slightly if the human race flourishes or not
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>>6578003
>The sentence dy=2xdx is not valid mathematical notation and doesn't have any proper definition.

Make a small change in x
Get 2x that change in y

It works out to correct answers, which is the important bit.
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>>6576386
>>6578107
Are you guys 'Mericans? At my university there aren't really any stereotypes based on subject. Maybe you only have stereotypes like these in universities which are just below top-tier because people feel insecure?
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>>6577068
>>6577095
>>6577099
>>6577105

>Not washing your penis every time after you urinate
>Not washing your hands after going to the bathroom
>Only wiping your ass until the paper stops showing brown
>Not using water to clean your ass properly

It's not even about disease transmission, if you can't keep yourself clean and respect yourself, then how can I take you seriously
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Undecided high school senior here.

I sucked at high school math. Could I ever get a chance working in a cool field? Or am I condemned to be a biologist?
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Is chemistry the jack of all trades?
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You can actually go even further. All physicists hate eachother
>Theoretical physicists are arrogant, overly rigorous and the most socially inept
>Particle physicists are just statisticians but decided they liked getting paid less
>Applied physicists are just engineers and have no idea how to do maths
>Astrophysicists are useless idealists who will never get a job

Bunch of cunts the lot of them
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>>6579352
>dy=2xdx

I'm pretty sure you can just do this instead.

dy/dx = 2x
=>(dy/dx)(dx/dt) = 2x (dx/dt)
=>dy/dt = 2x (dx/dt)
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what is /sci/'s opinion on med students?
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>>6579848
Most are only in it for the money, and the money is only there because of insurance companies, big pharma, and congress colluding together. Furthermore, they're only using new tech applied to physiology, while scientists are innovating and inventing new tech for the medical field.

>$500 for a box of tissues
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>>6576816
And why is biology absolute shit? Hope you don't get any disease soon mate.
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>>6577805
>less annoying than mathematicians
Over top kek
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>>6577835
But chemistry works so stfu
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>>6576550
>Hardy
Was he big?
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Only dumb people take stereotypes seriously ; stop hating peoplez
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>>6580072
For you
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>>6579848

Arrogant pricks who think they're Dr. House after getting into med school, and look down on absolutely everybody. Also many seem to think that being a doctor is everyone's dream job and everyone who didn't go to med school did so because they weren't good enough. Possibly the type of people who will memorize books instead of seeking a conceptual understanding.
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>>6580338
Back in sixth form, this was so bad

They had "Medicine Society" where people went to discuss interview techniques and shit for potential university interviews. You could tell by talking to them that they couldn't give a fuck about medicine or helping people or anything, they just money associated with the job and the title of "Doctor".

Was almost satisfying to see them all get rejected after being completely about Medicine for 2/3 years, and suddenly they're "really passionate" about some completely unrelated field.

Doesn't help that every doctor I've ever encountered just wanted you gone and couldn't give a fuck and was an aresehole
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>>6579421
I got 35% in the second biggest test in high school math and now Im getting great marks in the last year of my math/physics undergrad degree, so unless you're a retard you can do whatever you want if you put the effort in
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>>6578107
As an arrogant as fuck mathematician, I have to agree. Though some physicists here can into social life, most are pretty fucking autistic and it's impossible to have a conversation in public with them without looking like a complete retard.
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>>6579444

The scientific community is one of the prime examples of how childish adults can act. It's no wonder the world is going down the crapper when even our brightest minds are trapped in such primitive behavior patterns. Fuck this, I'm going back to /v/.

>yfw E3 is starting today
>yfw those two sentences together
>yfw the scientific community is even less civilized than a bunch of summerfags
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