Could somebody explain to me without memes why everybody either loves or hates this man?
People call him a cuck but I don't get it because he wants to take on Wall Street and make the super rich pay their fair share of taxes, which seems pretty alpha to me.
/pol/ just calls him a cuck because he's left wing and he's Jewish. He also doesn't hate women.
Left wing people love him because the economy sucks and health insurance and college are expensive and he's promised to take care of that.
>He is economically illiterate, wealth distributing, communist. Vote for a libertarian candidate like Rand instead
I forgot to attach a photo of myself
are you making fun of the "real communism has never been tried" posters or did you actually just post that?
I think his ideas are too extreme and economically taxing the rich and wall street doesn't solve all the problems like he says. He ignores exchange rate market value leading to a collapse of economy that could be predicted 10years from now.
Besides the economical terror he spouts, I don't mind him.
Though I am voting Hillary.
>I am voting Hillary
so you chose the used tampon instead of the giant douche or turd sandwich?
He'd crash the economy with his tax plan. It's like seriously retarded.
I partially agree with this guy. Libertarians and their ilk can never come up with a solution to how to provide pure public goods (things like roads, water quality(and water in general), and police/fire fighters).
>unable to be trusted with national secrets
>dozens of deaths linked ot her
>all sorts of ties to businesses and corporations
if you don't vote trump, at least vote bernie.
American cunts hate Sanders because they are politically uneducated and have no idea what the US politics actually do.
Im from Germany and we literally learn years of politics in school, not only our own but also most 1st world nations' political situations.
Sanders is not even that big of a "socialist" as many people say.
If you want to see true socialism you should come to Germany and listen to some feminazi leftwing party speeches, or just attend a political rally of the "Gruenen" party.
"Taxing the rich" is not a political term, its populism.
But thats how US politics and the election system work, no one actually knows whats going on, everyone just follows propaganda and populist rants.
Trump insults his opponents and talks bullshit about how the country is in ruins. He literally doesnt tell you what exactly he wants to change or do, he just says generalized terms like "we gotta fix immigration" or "we need to change the tax system"
blabla, wake up you faggots.
private companies exist for the sake of profit not for the benefit of the consumer
you might counter with competition weeding out companies who don't provide a good service but this depends on a government strong enough to regulate companies, when all of modern history points to corporations having far more control over governments than average citizens do.
the one saving grace if Hillary takes over is that it adds more to the resentment of Americans being mistreated and that it makes the US just a little bit closer to collapse.
No, you dumb shit. They won't. The reason they are called "pure public goods" is because the market can't effectively/efficiently allocate them. If you seriously believe that, then you're economically illiterate because it's one of the first things taught in any resource/energy/water/micro class.
Excludable, rival goods? Absolutely. Go ahead and have less gov involvement, but with non-rival, non-excludable goods are by their nature nearly impossible to be managed by private interests without disaster.
And that doesn't even begin to go into the Tragedy of the Commons scenarios that occur with Libertarian policies in place, but I'm sure you don't have a real answer for that either
>scapegoats successful people
>implies being successful is bad
>wants to punish success
>let BLM cuck him
>policies based on weakness
>talks in misleading equality memes
>appeals to idealistic retards who don't know any better
>out of touch with reality
>goes for what's ideal instead of what works
>panders to the losers of society
>makes it ok to be a loser instead of striving for more
Should I keep going or have you realized how dumb you are.
Take your dumb normie KEK politics somewhere else normie...
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It just seems to me that if more Americans could be guaranteed a baseline standard of living, that is, didn't have to thrash like animals for affordable healthcare and education, they could focus their energies on being more productive and the overall value of the economy would rise.
I have more respect for Bernie than defenders of the status quo, who seem to think corporations hoarding all the wealth and banks holding the economy hostage are part of the natural order while people who want a better country for all are "cucks."
And you know these people who don't support Bernie aren't benefiting from the scheme they are shilling for, and which is destroying the planet and unraveling society, which makes it all the more pitiable
>nobody should be pandering to a bunch of suicidal fuck ups
>wahhh why dont i have a gf
>wahh fucking normies
>lol normies i hate em!
r9k is the most delusional board on 4chan
It's funny how majority of fedora tippers ask people not to be deluded by religion but meanwhile get stuck up in bullshit ideas like communism and libertarian politics which will 100% never work due to human greed
the fact that bernie's campaign is supported by millions of donations from regular people makes hims seem like the best option 2bh instead of corporation-bought shillary and narcissistic rich prick trump
Threadly reminder that Reddit is raiding us to promote Bernie.
Those that likes him want his socialist based reforms that focuses on the dwindling middle class as well as cracking down on corruption in politics and the small taxation by the rich (which is mostly done through loopholes).
Those that dislike him are people who don't think he will be able to keep his promises of "free ___" without going over budget and cause a greater deficit. Many of those also don't like him because he let a bunch of BLM cunts shit on his parade that one time.
Trump is a business man, he wants to make it easier for all those businesses that are in China/South Korea etc to operate in America. Trump isn't a racist, opposing illegal immigration doesn't make you a racist. Trump is going about it the same way that Reagan did, political debates used to be full of bantering but America has turned soft.
Wholeheartedly agree. Repubs and shillary supporters will go off and rant that these things that he is working to provide for the American people will destroy the economy, when in reality it will create a more educated populace and provide wealth to those who had it taken away from them. If you seriously think it's okay to live in a world where .1% of the population control almost 90% percent of the wealth then you're truely fucked. Most people posting here probably won't even be given large increases in taxes. Most Americans just think taxes are the boogeyman and would rather spend their money supporting the Corporate States of America instead of working on improving the quality of life that has been taken away from so many areas of the nation. And most of these "successful" people are nothing but snobby normie sons and daughters of rich businessmen. I came from a town full of them and I'd be happy to see them get buttfucked by taxes.
what? his original post>>26505850 makes a lot of sense to me and i havent seen one actual argument against it other than adhom
His policies do nothing for the dwindling middle class. All he does is blame rich people. The middle class is dwindling because of cheap labour from china. Trump is the only one that addresses that problem directly. It's the difference between being an idealist idiot and having practical solutions.
what's wrong with being a narcissist or rich? Trump will provide more jobs by deporting all illegals whether they be chinese, indians or mexicans and there are millions of them which in turn will decrease our loans because more and more people will be paying TAXES instead of hoarding all the cash and helping improve their shit country's economy. Can sanders create more jobs and thus improve the economy?
The argument against it is that it's not fair to force those high performing individuals and companies to provide that standard of living at the barrel of a gun
'fair' being the subjective term up for debate here
some of these people relate abrahamic religion to greed but forget that the same few people they are accusing of being greedy will still be greedy if communism or "free market" is installed
>The middle class is dwindling because of cheap labour from china.
That's a fairly good point.
IIRC Sanders want to fix a lot of the infrastructure (considering it's fairly bad right now). Hopes are that by focusing on that as well as less expensive education there will be a rise in jobs.
The main question i have is what happens when you increase taxation/ban import from china. The was majority of consumer goods are produced there, and even with more jobs there might be an increase in costs.
>implying flooding the market with worthless degrees creates jobs
>implying building a bunch of bridges is a long term solution to bringing back the middle class
When you increase taxation on big companies they simply move to another country which will offer them better deals than US, now if that happens how will the free education work(I'm actually in favour of "free" healthcare).We could do what england does and maybe lower the cost of education instead of rocketing it up so far that even with upper middle class wage it will still take you 10 years to pay it off
Everyone who wants free shit and wants to put blame of all their failures on some 'big rich evil people' love him. That is why he is extremely popular among the lowest class and welfare leeches.
Anyone who either has a job, is part or wants to become part of the middle class or knows anything about economics ( and isn't government employed ) despises this man because what he proposes is a tantrum that will destroy the economy in the name of 'justice'.
>He also doesn't hate women.
You do not need to bow down to women and put them on a pedestal to not hate them, unless you are some kind of beta white knight whose only sexual strategy is doing exactly that.
She was pretty much on point, you colossal faggot/leftist. Btw, you're probably more effeminate and a far worse person than she is.
The market is already flooded with worthless degrees. Anyone who can get accepted into a college ends up going to one. Then they follow the "le Cs get le degrees" meme and get their shitty degree and unpayable debt. The only real solution is to raise the bar of quality for graduates by providing a taxpayer-backed education for students who can maintain at least a 3.0 GPA while in college.
If your idea of sophisticated are art and sociology degrees then yes.
Accessible healthcare however is a good thing within reasonable levels. More candidates propose this with actual reasonable plans to fund this.
>closed it right at 1
Almost got me faggot
Fuck everyone else. As a poor man in college, I have been able to pay off my debts perfectly fine. How will Sanders help me other than taking my money to give it to niggers?
My job will give me a nice healthcare system and I will live by myself to hoard all my money.
>make the super rich pay their fair share of taxes, which seems pretty alpha to me.
Define "fair share". Remember that the top 25% currently pay 85% of all taxes and that the most wealthy Americans already lose a quarter of their income in taxes.
Given that the most wealthy Americans are already providing by far the bulk of all income tax revenue, how much theft from people more successful than you is required to make this system "fair"?
Terrorism lives off oil money, a drought in syria made a lot of farmers broke so they moved into the towns with no money and became radicalized that is what you mean when you say Terrorism and climate change has a link. Ofcourse if you believe what you're actually writing here you are beyond help and reason.
Nobody is going to elect this revolting zombie face. I would rather look at fiorina.
not op but i really don't feel any sympathy for wealthy people, most of them could lose half their shit and still live out their days in perfect comfort, you know, "muh one million instead of two"
What will you do when the super rich simply move themselves and their companies to nations with more accommodating tax codes? Decades of leftist free trade policies have ensured that they will face absolutely no penalty for doing so.
Aside from that, the image is completely theoretical and anyone with the slightest experience in these things know that such plans rarely go as well as they appear on paper.
Making America a hostile environment for successful people and business owners is a good way to ensure that they go somewhere else.
I don't doubt that a good many people share your feelings but, "Fuck rich people, I don't care about them, we should take half their shit because they can afford to lose it" is not really good basis for economic policy.
Most Sanders supporters probably agree with you but good luck getting them to admit it.
AnCap master race reporting in, the only true anarchism. Also the only one that actually understands economics.
>make the super rich pay their fair share.
That's so retarded those people spend their entire lives studying and working hard so that means they deserve to be taxed into oblivion? Jee what great incentive to actually better myself. Stop being a leech. Just because your kind is too lazy and settles for flipping burgers doesn't mean you deserve a great life. You made your choice and so did they. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. All taxing the rich does is make them move overseas which means bye bye peasant jobs. But honestly I hope bernie wins. I'd love to see everything burn
why should my family lose money when my dad who was a farm boy worked his ass off at an oil rig and got promotions from labour to rig manager currently overlooking 12 rigs in saudi arabia during 30 years? He didn't get magically rich and had to conserve every cent
>thinks black lives matter
>thinis there's a wage gap between men and women working the same jobs
>lets his stage get taken over by uppidy nigger women
>thinks the way to fix broken government and wall street is to give everyone free shit and reduce the incentive for work and innovation even more
>wants open borders
he'll never get elected because he's a moron and that's without prodding at his socialist tendencies too much. we don't need a more sjw obama in the office
>i like to kiss the asses of people who look down on me
How do you raise the bottom without dragging down the top? Keep in mind that America has a ridiculous debt and we can't just borrow more money. We're at a point where taxing or throwing away our armed forces are the only viable solutions to helping the poor.
>you busted your ass for decades to earn your wealth but you don't really need it so you should give it to me
So no one should be allowed to amass more wealth than they need? How do you define need? What is the absolute maximum amount of money anyone should be allowed to have, and what makes you think that billionaires are going to sit there nicely and allow you to take the vast majority of their money because you think it would be better spent if it were distributed to the single mothers of America?
>He is economically illiterate
everybody says this, but he has dozens of professional economists and intellectuals backing his ideas and then when conservatives say it's all insane the only argument is "I TOOK HIGH SCHOOL ECON", so of course it's very hard to take seriously.
/pol/ doesn't like him because they are bitter, friendless fags and they see normal people at their college like him.
Eventually you will realize this is the rationale behind most of their "opinions" - it is all just anger at being fucking losers and unable to deal with it.
>I like to demonize people who are more ambitious and successful than me
Same-fagging nu-male retard please go and stay gone.
Working at mcdonalds for 15/hr is our future. Taxing upper middle class with college debts and a mortgage should suffer because they worked to be successful?
You literally answered with a vague subjective strawman yourself, moron.
Are leftists the worst people on the planet. If not, they must be a close second.
It's pretty sad that the only way you can think of helping the poor is by giving them unearned money you've taken from somewhere else. Are these the fruits of a liberal education?
You help the poor by trade reform and by reversing the various free trade policies that have resulted in the U.S. losing over 50,000 factories in the last couple decades. You stop trying to force 100% of the population into college and reverse the trend of looking down on tradesmen.
Basically, you provide a structure by which the poor can better themselves. You don't just hand them a wad of cash and say, "There, you're not poor anymore". A brief look at the history of aid to Africa will show you what a incredibly poor plan that is.
>young students, the future of this country
Most college graduates today are already having difficulty finding jobs in their chosen fields. How will pushing even more people into college do anything but make this problem worse?
Do you really think that college is the best and only option for 100% of our youth?
If you acknowledge the true nature of globalism, which is to keep the low-skill labor force of modern countries perpetually centered in developing countries, you can see that the only two ways to go forward in a country like ours are either to guarantee low skill laborers their jobs and their rights by stepping in and regulating business to prevent that exploitation or to ensure that the US population becomes a whole lot more skilled very very soon. Neither of these is hospitable to the kids of social darwinist, dystopian dreaming you see in threads like these.
/pol/shits like seeing other people as miserable as them. They will crow on and on about "economics" and "free shit", but the bottom line is they need people to be paid shit wages and live crappy lives so they feel better about being virgin faggots.
I never said you just give free money to the poor, you fucking idiot. Take the money from the rich and make the poor earn it. Offer them jobs, provide merit-based scholarships. While you're at it, cut off NEETbux and make people work for it.
>implying what I implied isn't mostly accurate
>implying the far leftists itt aren't using strawmen every single time they mention what their opponents, sane people, think.
With more educated employees in the US, it is a better reason for high tech companies to move to or start in this country.
What harm does it do though? If you say that the value of a degree will be diluted, you're just worrying about needing job experience experience on top of your degree, which is usually already the case.
But just imagine saying the same things 100 years ago about a high school diploma and it will seem beyond ridiculous.
I don't see what's wrong with this socialist stooge, just like I don't have a problem with the latest libertarian idiot.
Pretty much all wealth is taken from someone else unfairly at some point.
He's just gonna change the amounts and to whom.
People on all sides are going to whinge about how 'everything is so unjust to me' for the rest of eternity regardless of who wins the election anyway.
Everyone feels entitled to everything.
>Jeez guys come on, we're not just going to steal money from the rich and hand it to the poor, we're going to steal money from the rich and make the poor dance until we feel like they've earned it! It's completely different. What are we going to do if the rich leave before we can take all their money? Not worth thinking about. That would never happen.
Seriously though, yes, we will permanently fix income inequality in this country by creating a nation of ditch diggers who receive a fat paycheck every month thanks to Bernie's new 80% income tax on the wealthiest 50% of the population. Even better, we will force millions of people who have no business being in college into college and help the job market become even more oversaturated with new graduates. But it's ok, once they've gotten their electrical engineering degrees and can't find any jobs because they're competing with thousands of other recent graduates in their field, they can get a good paycheck from ol' Uncle Sam digging ditches.
It actually is. Please explain to me why I got no scholarships despite my 3.75 high school GPA and 4.0 college GPA, while some stupid unruly nigger in my graduating class with a 2.3 GPA got free tuition and housing for 4 years. Remember, it's the wealthy who are in charge of handing out scholarships and helping the lower classes succeed. All the government can do right now is provide trinket loans and also grants for destitute students.
here's the deal with capitalism. Commerce will always survive even if those companies don't. You don't think companies went under when they banned child labor? You don't think companies went under when they banned Slaves?
>"waah waah i built this company from scratch and now i have to pay 90% tax :(((("
>"waah waah i work twenty hours a day and the man only paid me 10c an hour :(((((("
Sounds like the same song to me.
>With more educated employees in the US, it is a better reason for high tech companies to move to or start in this country.
Absurd. Companies are already importing tech workers from other countries. It's not due to a lack of qualified people in this country, it's because they can fly over some Indian guy on a H1-B and get the same work for less money. Flooding the job market with even more people will do nothing to solve this problem.
Additionally, this same system works just fine in other nations as well. When companies are given absurd tax rates to pay for the education of people they're not interesting in employing in the first place, they'll simply move to a friendlier nation and continue to import whatever workers they choose. Free trade policies ensure that they will suffer no penalties for doing so.
>What harm does it do though?
If everyone goes to college then all it does it make college the new high school. It will make 4 year degrees meaningless and anyone interested in appealing to employers will need another round of higher education to set themselves apart from the pack of college graduates. This is already quickly becoming the case and sending millions more people to college will make it the case much quicker. The government will not be able to send all these people to grad school as well so you've done absolutely nothing to solve the problem.
>But just imagine saying the same things 100 years ago about a high school diploma and it will seem beyond ridiculous.
People should have a basic education, sure, but if you can't properly prepare someone for a job in twelve years then adding a few more on the end isn't going to fix the problem. I'm surprised to see /r9k/, a board that considers itself intelligent, so completely swallow the propaganda that college is for everyone and everyone should go to college.
Like how the banks was bailed out in 2008?
/pol/, this is /r9k/!
>Trump insults his opponents and talks bullshit about how the country is in ruins. He literally doesnt tell you what exactly he wants to change or do, he just says generalized terms like "we gotta fix immigration" or "we need to change the tax system"
True that! What should be done with faggots such as Trump and his vaugely dissappointed faggot followers?
>those people spend their entire lives studying and working hard
The more money I make by investment returns while doing absolutely nothing the more retarded wealthcucks appear to me
But on the other hand, people in these areas had a choice to organize themselves politically. True, responsibility and guilt are two different things.
>capable of thinking of more than one thing
Do you even go outside? Do you not know how much infrastructure work the United States needs right now? Sometimes it's better to drive on the grass than to drive on the roads, and I'm just outside Philadelphia. In addition, traffic conditions are horrible and public transportation is lacking. The rich could have easily funded such work on their own and have been praised as heroic job creators, but they didn't. So much for the "trickle down effect" you conservatives believe in so much.
Oh yeah, and about this "degree oversaturation" you keep going on about. Are you suggesting it doesn't already exist with our current system of paying for college? Everyone who can go to college, goes to college, no exceptions. This is the behavior that this country has adopted, and there's no way to stop it. All the government would be doing is taking away the peoples' debts. In my opinion, the only people who should be receiving a subsidized education are the highest-achieving students, who currently aren't given any scholarships from the rich because many of them aren't black.
>Trump insults his opponents and talks bullshit about how the country is in ruins. He literally doesnt tell you what exactly he wants to change or do, he just says generalized terms like "we gotta fix immigration" or "we need to change the tax system"
>mfw liberals really are this stupid
Trump has very detailed policies on immigration and tax reform, something you'd know if you'd spend ten seconds researching them instead of parroting what your anthropology professor told you.
He literally does tell you, you fucking moron:
I don't expect you to have the interest or attention span to actually read these policies. I provide them only to prove you wrong.
Fuck this crazy old communist kook that wants to turn the U.S. into some Latin American banana republic.
I'll go with Trump if it comes down to it because at least he's not trying to implement "democratic socialism" or whatever Berncucks try and call their shitty economic system.
I'm from Austria, let me translate:
>American cunts hate Sanders because they are politically uneducated and have no idea what the US politics actually do.
I've been brought up on a staple diet of anti-Americanism caused by the "The long march through the institutions".
>Im from Germany and we literally learn years of politics in school,
I'm from a defeated country without a national identity and we get fed a shitton of propaganda labelled as "education".
>not only our own but also most 1st world nations' political situations.
Because we are no more important than any arbitrarily chosen country in the world.
>Sanders is not even that big of a "socialist" as many people say.
We are way worse off over here.
>If you want to see true socialism you should come to Germany
Seriously, it sucks.
>and listen to some feminazi leftwing party speeches, or just attend a political rally of the "Gruenen" party.
I am ignoring, that all the "moderates" are just the same without all the vitriol. Marxism won. Please send help!
>"Taxing the rich" is not a political term, its populism.
I know neither the definition of "political", nor "populism", since in a democracy like Germany, "populism" is a bad word.
>But thats how US politics and the election system work,
I actually understand neither. I don't even understand the German system.
>no one actually knows whats going on,
If I say that everyone is stupid, maybe people won't notice that I'm stupid
>everyone just follows propaganda and populist rants.
I follow propaganda and populist rants.
Michel, Zeit zum Aufstehn!
Yes, yes, we all know that you can regurgitate democrat talking points. But I'm still waiting for you to tell us what you think the rich should be paying in taxes in order to be paying their "fair share".
>wants to turn the U.S. into some Latin American banana republic.
the countries that changed over to communist regimes in Latin America from US-installed ones actually improved their conditions
Although Bernie Sanders is far from a communist. If you say that, you'd have to call FDR a commie too.
This really surprised me when I stayed in the USA. Why is your infraestructure so fucked? It makes the biggest economy in the world give a 3rd world impression sometimes.
Public spaces in general didn't look properly taken care of, the contrast between individual purchase power and community "wealth appearance" felt weird. Guess it's because I'm a eurocuck, I like america though.
>In addition, traffic conditions are horrible and public transportation is lacking.
Ahh yes, we will make America great again by stealing from the rich and paying the poor to construct a continent-spanning monorail. The solution was so obvious all along! Damn those rich people who think that they should be able to use their wealth as they choose!
>All the government would be doing is taking away the peoples' debts.
>I willingly went into debt for a degree I can't use so I'm voting for Bernie so he can fix my poor life choices
Forgot the last sentence:
>Trump insults his opponents
Ever since Kindergarten I've hated meanie heads.
>and talks bullshit about how the country is in ruins.
My capacity for masochism isn't even half full. Please shove up more nigger dicks up my butthole!
>He literally doesnt tell you what exactly he wants to change or do,
I only read headlines and summaries. I am le reddit generation.
>he just says generalized terms like "we gotta fix immigration" or "we need to change the tax system"
Because I can hate how the US works AND hate people who try to change it at the same time! I have never read 1984.
>blabla, wake up you faggots.
>Yes, yes, we all know that you can regurgitate democrat talking points.
This is all they know to do. They are meme spewers. If you challenge the logic of what they are saying they get stumped. They don't really understand what they are saying. They just trust the person who originally said it.
>Public spaces in general didn't look properly taken care of
Public spaces don't look properly taken care of because they're public spaces.
It's the tragedy of the commons, and that is why nothing Bernie wants will ever work.
He's a delusional socialist cuck, and his voting record shows he doesn't even stick to his principles, even though that's one of the reasons why kids like him.
>you'd have to call FDR a commie too
FDR was a commie fascist bastard. It boggles my mind that there are leftists who brand Trump as a fascist and "the next Hitler", while cheering for the guy who put American citizens of Japanese descent in concentration camps.
Bernies disdain for the international market exchange will low the value of USD, while he distributes more. This is economically problematic for the middle class. Obviously it won't show the effects for 20years or so, but it is still not a step forward to me. You cannot create jobs without supply and demand. If I take a play from Henry Ford you will see having a value hard to obtain, benefits the source being USA AND USD.
I've already decided I'm voting for Trump. The normie exodus when the Trumpening happens is going to be glorious.
>implying it's stealing from the rich
>implying that infrastructure is worthless in the long run
Better infrastructure helps the rich too, you know. The rich used to build railroads, used to build canals. Their investments in infrastructure are what helped make the wealthy of the past create the new nobility of today, since the returns were explosive. The wealthy improved their abilities to exchange goods and services. Capitalism was at its prime. Now our wealthiest citizens just sit back and expect their minimum wage workers to arrive on time every day despite major traffic congestion and car-ruining potholes. This is not only costly to the workers, but is also a problem for the wealthy because poor infrastructure demoralizes employees, crippling their ability to work well. This is why some businesses nowadays are demanding that their employees live in very close proximity to where they're working. The wealthy are not looking to improve. Tell me how infrastructure investments will not improve anything.
>I willingly went into debt for a degree I can't use so I'm voting for Bernie so he can fix my poor life choices
Every degree is usable, however when you are in debt it is actually harder to use your degree and it may become worthless. When you're in debt and you don't get a job instantly, you're forced into grabbing a minimum wage job out of desperation so you can try to pay off your debts. As a result, new graduates are prone to skills deterioration since they do not have the time or money to practice or attempt to apply the skills they went to school for. This makes their degrees worthless. Many students who the cream of the crop of their graduating class are forced into such a fate, which is a tragedy because it's a waste of potential. However, those without debts, students who hail from wealthy families, they don't have these problems. Without a debt, wealthy graduates can either be more patient with their job search, or can go into self-employment.
>guy who put American citizens of Japanese descent in concentration camps
it was to win a goddamn war
Next maybe you'll tell me we should ignore everything going on around the world and shelter a trillion Syrian and Iraqi refugees, right?
I'm very, very, very, very skeptical of his economic plans.
He's been shown to be very popular with 18-24 year old's. He claims this is because new Americans struggle to see their future's and want a fairer American, I think it's because these people are just struggling in general and want more stuff for themselves now regardless of the effect on all others in the future years. In other words, people want free college and more money but when you're scraping this money from the top then
The idea of closing tax loopholes sounds good in practice until you realize that all of this focus isn't in the interest in doing anything besides just targeting a minority in the country and turning them into the boogeyman because the majority aren't these people and it's all about the votes. For every evil rich wall street banker there's 5 rich business owners/ service providers/ job providers.
America does not need artificial little attempts to try and lower income inequality. You can't just insert a minimum wage and expect this to make everyone's life better. His policies are more likely to damage business which in turn will damage the economy and make things worse so then you'll have companies struggling to stay afloat because they're paying laqueesha $15 an hour to man a deep fryer but laqueesha isn't living better because her hours have been cut.
I really don't like libertarians but it's a scary situation when they seem to be the most appealing party to vote for in the US. The actual libertarians party policies differs quite a bit from the mouth breathing libertarians you find online.
None of this matters. Hillary will win.
>Wants an unbiased opinion
>Has a biased opinion
Well done faggot.
>tfw Rand dropped out
>tfw when Carly dropped out
>tfw when a libertarian can't win
Wew lads, I'm not even american nor do I support Bernie (I don't know shit about american politics apart from the memes, which is the only thing most people know anyway).
Also, you may be mistaking me with someone else, I only posted that.
You can't define a "fair share", it will always be arbitrary. Just as the wealth distribution the market creates, which is not sufficiently related to merit or contributions to mankind.
The way a government redistributes the money should leave enough incentive for wealth creation while fixing the difference between the contribution most people make to the economy and what they get in return.
I do think incentive would be big enough for the millionaires even if they paid much more, but of course they can move somewhere else so it may be counterproductive.
I'm just trying to point that the problem is a practical one, because rich people can decide to take their wealth somewhere else and then the country is fucked. This does not mean they "deserve" their money or the evil communists are comming to steal the american dream.
Just to clarify, I'm not a socialist or leftist. I'm antifeminist, I believe in differences between races, I like Trump and I believe free markets are probably the best option and they are better than socialist policies for everyone, for now at least.
I simply find it funny that americans are so obsessed with sucking rich people's cocks, defending them like they have a moral right to what they own. It has nothing to do with morals or values.
The rich no longer directly build and maintain infrastructure because we have set in place various laws which remove wealth from the rich for the express purpose of maintaining infrastructure. When tax rates are very low, as they were in the time period you're referring to, people are more eager to share their wealth. When tax rates are high, as they are today, people feel correctly that a good portion of their wealth has already been taken from them for the supposed public good and are less likely to willingly part with the remnants.
The government is already taking money from the rich for infrastructure improvements. The fact that they manage that money very poorly does not entitle them to more.
>When you're in debt and you don't get a job instantly, you're forced into grabbing a minimum wage job out of desperation so you can try to pay off your debts
No one forced them to take on debt to go to college. They took on debt because they wanted to sit on their asses and party. I worked during high school to save for college and I worked a full time job while attending college. I graduated with zero debt. This is not difficult to do but because people are so, so fucking lazy, the idea that they should be prepared to work hard to pay for college or NOT GO TO COLLEGE is completely foreign to them. THey see no problem with taking on tens of thousands of dollars in debt while having only a vague idea of how they will pay it off and the result is a generation who see a politician saying, "Free college! No debt!" and they think it's the best fucking thing in the world.
as opposed to corporate welfare
If the only draw for businesses to center themselves in the USA is paying no taxes and hiring illegal Mexican labor, we have a lot of problems to sort through.
>Trump insults his opponents and talks bullshit about how the country is in ruins.
Trumps plan is practical, simple, and is online. He and Sanders are more "economic" politicians, I prefer Trump however, he's less PC.
>You can't define a "fair share", it will always be arbitrary.
>I want a politician who will make the rich pay their fair share!
>Ok, what's a fair share?
>Well, you can't define that, fairness is completely arbitrary
How then am I to identify which politician to support? Sanders has refused to commit to an exact figure but has said at various points that he would put the income tax for top brackets somewhere between 50-90%. Is this a fair share? Trump wants the top tax brackets to pay 25% in income tax. Is this a fair share? I don't know, it's all arbitrary! I'll just vote at random!
>I simply find it funny that americans are so obsessed with sucking rich people's cocks, defending them like they have a moral right to what they own.
Yes, Americans have the silly idea that people have the moral right to retain possession of the things they own. We don't believe that fine democratic ideal that it is perfectly moral for 51% of the population to vote to steal from the other 49%.
Well for starters he is a retard.
Knows nothing of Economics
His entire campaign is based on feelings regardless of facts.
Stealing is an arbitrary term, the rich got rich under a certain set of policies, we change the policies their circumstances change.Society facilitated their success, now society will benefit from it.
I'm not a big fan of Sanders.
I'm all for socialism, but I believe that if he ever did get into power, it's very unlikely he will be able to implement a quarter of his proposed changes.
Why promise what you know you can't deliver on?
He says he does not attack other candidates "becuas focus on big issues" besides the fact he calles out trump every chance he gets
>wanting a government
Fuck it all off tbfam. Like even the police. We don't need any of it.
It'd be much simpler if everyone was in charge of themselves.
The only way you could get rich is by actually working then.
He actually thinks minorities are oppressed and want to give them even more free shit.
Society will not benefit from taking money from job providers, punishing them for working out of America and using that money to give university degrees in gender studies to stupid black women so when they graduate someone has to pay them $15 per hour to stand in a store and say hi to people
Tax rates were low back then, however the wealthy back then were nowhere near as wealthy as they are today. The wealthy back then were devout Christians, and believed they were doing God's work by providing for the public welfare. The wealthy today and not like this. They don't feel a need to be like this.
>that whole paragraph on student debt
Lazy, am I? I'll have you know that I'm applying for jobs each week to no avail. I only ask for minimum wage, and no employer gives me the job. Not even fucking McDonalds, of all places. My weighted high school GPA was 4.75, and my current college GPA is 4.0. I have been denied for literally every scholarship I have ever applied for. I have never been to a party in my life. I go to an accredited Pennsylvanian state school as a commuter, so I'm not paying as much as some college students. Even so, I have gathered thousands of dollars of debt thus far because the wealthy are not even willing to provide minimum wage to me while I study. My work ethic is superb, my criminal record is clean, my desire to work is much higher compared to my 2.5 GPA peers, but it's Chad and Stacy from the upper middle class who get jobs to afford college. This is literally not right. I am not the only student in such a situation.
who says that we shouldn't tax them? I'm saying that we don't have to tax them unfairly(which sanders is proposing) and make illegals fuck off to their own countries to open jobs for our own people who have to beg for tips when delivering pizzas or waiting, maybe that will also help the black youth because the illegal indians, chinese and mexicans will be kicked out and only legal immigrants will be given a place to stay in our country
Blames the Elite with out addressing the obvious fact they are all Jews
He is a wannabe Conscientious Objector Hitler who will only cause a Civil war.
>Stealing is an arbitrary term
No, it's really not. It's really, really not.
Society already benefits massively from the wealthy. Contrary to whatever propaganda you've been fed, the rich are the people who built this nation. They are the ones who organized, they are the ones who created jobs, they are the ones who drove economic progress and innovation.
The great mass of poor, unintelligent people are perfectly content to waste their lives at nothing if left to their own devices. It is only due to the efforts of those few exceptional men that these masses were poked and prodded and organized into the forces that shaped this nation into the largest economy on the planet.
Those same rich people already pay the vast majority of personal tax. As I mentioned earlier, the top 25% pay 85% of all income tax. Is society not benefiting? Or is this another "arbitrary" situation where 85% isn't a "fair share" and the top 25% should actually be paying 100% of all income taxes?
Is that it? Should three quarters of the population get a free ride on the shoulders of the remaining quarter?
And we can have Trump instead of this POS.
The people who are against bernie don't even know the difference between socialism and communism.
There's a reason that BASICALLY ALL OF EUROPE is a better place to live than USA.
>no mass murders
>the wealthy are not even willing to provide minimum wage to me while I study
No one owes you a job, son. If you can't find a job, maybe you shouldn't take on debt until you can. Again, no one is forcing you to take out loans and no one is forcing you to go to college. You could make very good money and avoid taking on debt by learning a trade but you seem to think that you're too good for that so instead you take on debt because you think you deserve to go to college even though you can't afford it.
To make it even better, you think that this isn't your fault but the fault of greedy capitalists who are refusing to employ you out of spite and should have all of their money taken from them in order to fund the education that you so richly deserve. Your sense of entitlement is absurd and I fully believe that it will be your generation that puts the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation.
Because he's a pretty charismatic guy who is promising great things, equality, all that jazz. He's offering to save the world, and you can tell he believes in what he's saying. Plus he's coming up at a time when we're seeing a ton of company bullshit and corruption, and tons of racial tension. In a way he's Obama 2.0. He's rallying the younger crowd who want to save the world and usher in the golden age of equality and love and stuff.
Because he lacks an understanding of how economics works. Even if you were to tax the 1% at 100% you still wouldn't be able to pay for all the things he's offering, and even he's admitted that the rest of us will see a hefty increase in taxes to reflect the lower health care costs. Not to mention the fact that those 1% richest being the backbone of the economy could simply leave the country (which isn't exactly unheard of in other countries). A minimum wage of $15 would kill small businesses, and lead to bigger businesses cutting jobs or reducing hours (again, not unheard of). Free college would cost metric fuck tons and lead to colleges becoming Public High School 2: Electric Boogaloo (more so than they already are).
>lacks understanding of how economics work
All of those "omg Europe so wonderful why can't we be more like those progressive Europeans" countries are tiny, fucking tiny places in comparison to America. They're also virtually all very racially homogenous places when compared to America.
The idea that we can look at the system that works in a nation like Denmark - where the population is 90% native Danish and where the population of the entire country is millions less than live in New York city alone - and apply their system effectively to our entire country is fucking absurd. Absurd.
>no mass murders
Want to explain this pic then?
Why do liberals insist on having such strong opinions about things they understand so poorly?
a. It's their privilege to be in the US, if they want to leave we freeze their assets. The people themselves are no loss. There is nothing remarkable about them.
b. Regardless of hour viewed importance of a job orr the person working it, they should still earn enough to have a minimum standard of living.
The longterm goal is mass automation and a mostly state run economy but we arent there yet. People being afraid of it are stupid, there is no reason to artificially keep people working.
>The wealthy back then were devout Christians, and believed they were doing God's work by providing for the public welfare
He expects $300 billion a year from a tax on financial transactions.
Sweden tried implementing something like that and had to repeal it immediately because it fucked their economy in very short order.
I would be in favour of what england has done with low cost of education accompanied with loans instead of dude free shit lmao, while when it comes to healthcare, the insurance shit is really fucking awful and should be scrapped.
Saying X pays Y percent is meaningless, fair depends on their total income and how much they have left after paying. Anyone making over a million needs to be taxed at a very high rate. We have tried the freemarket the rich our are friends meme and its failed. Time to put it in the trash.
>want to explain this pic then
I'm counting 21 different mass shootings in the US of A thus far this year only, should I count all those that happened since 2001? It's not even remotely comparable.
>muh niggers fucking shit up
>muh country too big
>muh fucking excuses
>It's their privilege to be in the US, if they want to leave we freeze their assets.
>transfer assets first
>leave country second
>fuck how did they figure this out
>The people themselves are no loss. There is nothing remarkable about them.
I see this idea a lot from liberals. They think that CEOs and business leaders are there by accident, luck or random chance.
Do you know why those successful CEOs get paid so much money? It's because a good CEO is an incredible asset to a company, so much so that it is an excellent investment to pay a good leader millions of dollars a year in salary because that leader will increase profits by far more than his salary. These leaders are in fact so hard to come by and in such demand that other companies will offer them even higher salaries to leave their current company.
CEO salaries are high not just because they are worth that much to the company but because the company knows that a good CEO will receive constant job offers from other companies and wants to make sure that they're paying their CEO as much as they can in order to hopefully convince him to stay with their company.
The difference between a good CEO and a bad one is the difference between a wildly successful company and one that goes bankrupt overnight. The idea that these people aren't of any use and won't be any loss is so hopelessly absurd and ignorant that I am often at a loss as to how even to respond to it.
Most assets are centered in the US and the entire structure of the rich retaining those assets is based uppon US law and support.
Scientists and engineers are whats important to retain, both are at this time being payed disproportionately low for their contributions It's not the rich we need to keep.
>We have tried the freemarket the rich our are friends meme and its failed
Capitalism has given the citizens capitalist nations the highest standard of living that human beings have ever experienced in our entire history. In what way has it "failed"? A poor person in America is still incredibly wealthy by the standards of the majority of the rest of the world. A person considered poor in Africa, India, or China would be amazed at how wealthy the America poor are in comparison.
Against this undeniable success, you have literal hundreds of millions of people who have died in the past couple centuries in the name of Socialism and Communism. It's been tried over and over and over again and it will never work.
300bn/300mn = ~1000 per person
Of course the majority of US citizens are non tax payers so it would come out to about 2k/3k per taxpayer
of course the tax is on financial transactions so that's a pointless discussion. Reread my post, the fucking poster child for muh democratic socialism repealed a financial transaction tax because of how disastrous its effects were on their economy. Surprise! the stock market isn't a magic money machine! Saying "Well, a rich guy in a silk top hat with a monocle is gonna pay for it!" doesn't unfuck its economic impact
>no one owes you a job
You're right, they don't. But there is literally zero reasons why anyone should employ a less-skilled worked for the same amount of money they could have spent to employ me.
>if you can't find a job, maybe you shouldn't take on debt until you can
If I can't even find a job while I'm in school when I can prove without a doubt that a job will not negatively impact my academic performance, the chances of finding a job when I'm out of school are just as bleak.
>no one is forcing you to take out loans and no one is forcing you to go to college
Tell that to the ~$100k and falling savings divided between all of my currently living family members inside of this nation. I am the only one who can fix this, and I need to do it fast.
>You could make very good money and avoid taking on debt by learning a trade but you seem to think you're too good for that
Advocating for the throwing away of potential just to survive is exactly why the quality of today's American workers is declining rapidly.
Honestly, I do think I'm entitled to a bit of assistance from the upper class when you consider the fact that I'll be helping them regain the money they've spent on me and then some. I'm not going to let my skills go to waste just because the upper class chose to give scholarships and jobs to Joe Partyboy instead of someone like me. My vote is more likely to go to Bernie Sanders because today's wealthy citizens make the mistake of investing in the wrong people.
>ignoring western europe.
>ignoring the time of Americas greatest prosperity was when America was most socialist.
>ignoring africa is essentially the embodiment of capitalism.
It is a prevalent stereotype that deluded white trash think they'll be affected by "top 1% paying more taxes" or they're deluded enough to think they'll be in that position someday.
I ask this question a lot, but I suppose this calls for asking it again: Why do liberals insist on having such strong opinions about things they understand so poorly?
Please review the attached image and link. You'll find that, once again, contrary to media propaganda, the U.S. is not an exception and does in fact have much lower annual deaths from public shootings than many European countries.
Will you actually look at this information or will you continue to believe in your fiction of America as the only nation where mass public shootings take place?
>being a historically illiterate retard.
Europe and America achieved their wealth thanks to free market capitalism. Post ww2 socialism has only achieved in ruining their economies.
As for Africa, are you kidding me? Most african countries are self proclaimed marxist-leninists.
China already does this and Europe has no problem with it.
The US has been the main advocate for muh free market and nw its biting the US population. Nobody else was cucked into believing it, fortunately americans are starting to wake up.
>Advocating for the throwing away of potential just to survive is exactly why the quality of today's American workers is declining rapidly.
The average yearly salary of HVAC technicians is about $45k. This is well above "just surviving" and is an average, not a high end. People like you have completely bought the lie that the only way to succeed is to go to college and that you're "throwing away your potential" if you do something silly like learning a useful trade.
Again, I blame this on your generation's incredible and overblown sense of self worth and entitlement.
>I'm not going to let my skills go to waste just because the upper class chose to give scholarships and jobs to Joe Partyboy instead of someone like me. My vote is more likely to go to Bernie Sanders because today's wealthy citizens make the mistake of investing in the wrong people.
I mean, look at this! The incredible, baseless egotism! It's like Elliot Rodgers is right here speaking to us. You deserve it because you're better than other people, you deserve it more, your have the skills, you have the potential and god damn it if someone doesn't give it to you then you're going to take it! Feel the Bern!
How did we manage to go so very wrong in raising your generation?
In an automated society you can have a very small amount of people manage a huge amount of robots. This means that the world could sustain a huge population with just a few technicians, programmers and managers for tens of thousands of people. What this essentially means is that the best and brightest will be working will the others don't do anything but their own hobbies. The workers will probably be well taken care of to compensate for their work.
What does this mean in reality? NIGGER BABIES. NIGGERS BABIES. NIGGER BABIES.
The absolute most fucking retarded niggers in society, the real dumb fucks, the lazy shits who just scrape by having everything taken care of for them will breed infinitely more than the intelligent of society without some kind of eugenics program and you can guarantee that if communism/automation ever comes about then there won't be a eugenics program because everyone would be so absolutely brainwashed into the whole "everyone is equal" nonsense.
We're already seeing the beginning of this now. The white, intelligent, wealthy of society are having 0-2 kids. The mud people are plopping them out in record numbers. The intelligent and wealthy people tend to be more empathetic and charitable but in a non-homogeneous society you get these dumb fucking niggers who can't understand anything but tribal and hedonistic instincts who work for their own interests so the best of society are voluntarily removing themselves. The world is becoming disproportionately filled with more and more stupid people every single day. Automation and communism without some kind of human idealist program will result in nothing but the complete destruction of the world.
>if they want to leave we freeze their assets
yeah nice imagination you have there, that will surely help all the countries in our influence to move towards russo-china and make us a third world country in less than a decade.
I agree with point b
State run economy will result in post soviet russia that will have people moving to other countries to get jobs instead of people moving here
There's a reason they make so much money off of investment, and it's not doing absolutely nothing.
It's called being smart and allocating resources where they should go. This is something the government has proven themselves incapable of doing.
Incredible that you have no arguments beyond "Ugh, your generation sucks."
Buddy, we're not the first generation that thinks like this. The nation would have collapsed long ago if it weren't for FDR and a dash of socialism to promote capitalism.
Pretty sure the first half of my post was my argument. How is choosing to learn a trade with an average salary that places you comfortably in the middle class rather than taking on debt for a useless degree "throwing away potential"?
You wouldn't happen to have some numbers on shootings perpetrated by islam/natives through European countries compared to the US?
>BASICALLY ALL OF EUROPE is a better place to live than USA.
My mathematics skills are in the top 1% in the nation. I'm not just making shit up here, this is based on consistent results of national tests such as the SAT or AP exams. Tell me a trade that heavily appropriately uses my skills and I'll consider it. Otherwise, I'm throwing away potential by not exploiting my maths skills with a degree that relies heavily on math skills and logic.
a bunch of monkeys took over one of his early appearances and instead of having them violently seized by security (which is what they wanted, so they could vilianize him to the black voters) he let them chimp out and stutter words into the mic until they left
he's a "cuck" because he did the smart thing instead of the thing we all wish he did
If you were really such an exceptional person as you believe yourself to be then you wouldn't be in the position you're currently in. It's simply not believable that you're so exceptional and yet incapable of getting a scholarship or even a part time job to help pay for your education.
You posts in this thread certainly don't give the impression of you as any kind of a great intellect.
Sure about that? Because my country happens to be relatively low on the list.
>Trump posts a pepe and meme montage on his offical twitter account
>still not backed by /r9k/
What's it going to take?
Here we go, it's the "That's outrageous so it's not true" comment. Things worked out fortunately for you, and you put in a lot of effort, so that must mean it's impossible for someone to put in a lot of effort and turn out worse than those who put in no effort.
>robots think they'll get any free stuff
>implying it won't go to niggers and women
Not him but he's completely right in every way.
I couldn't afford college and I got discharged from military due to a medical condition. I got into an entry-level trade and due to my hard work my employer is offering to train me out of pocket. I earn about 20k a year right now but after my training, I will earn about 30k, and the place I work at pays pretty low, so the potential is even higher if I move to greener pastures.
Our generation is literally fucked. People believe going to college is a free ticket to a job.
>people have problems getting jobs with their degrees
>LETS GIVE EVERYONE FREE SHIT LMAO WEED LMAO FREE COLLEGE
>more people looking for jobs
>rich people/companies leave the USA to cuckland/gookland
Even if it were true, the correct response to your unfortunate personal circumstances is not sweeping economic reforms to redistribute wealth to you. Even if your story is true, you would be much better served by learning a trade and returning to college when you can afford it rather than taking on debt for a uncertain job market. If you have such a off putting personality that you can't even find a part time job now then I'm not sure why you think employers will be any more kindly disposed toward you once you have a degree.
Honestly, bernieCuCks, what do you think is going to happen when degrees are literally free?
When all you need to give is time to get one?
How much is it going to be worth?
How easy do you think it'll be to get a job with all that competition?
Do you think diversity rules also won't apply, that you'll be able to get a job when a brownskinned sheboon with the same degree is applying also?
I genuinely wonder what you think will happen if that old jew gets elected.
Raise the requirements for graduation.
There, now people who shouldn't be getting degrees won't be able to get one, while those who can get degrees get them for free and are more skilled to boot.
>raising requirements for graduation
Uh no, you racist white cis scum, those people who are JUST NOW GETTING THE PRIVILEGE TO GO TO COLLEGE have been economically and socially disadvantaged for fucking centuries and now you're raising the bar on them after they reach what you used to think was "acceptable" to graduate
Check your fucking privilege shitlord, try again
All the smart countries pay for college by allowing you take a class one time for free, then if you need to retake it you pay 50% of the cost, then after that 100%. If you're a smart student you get the education for free, if you're not then you pay for it
>Sanders is not even that big of a "socialist" as many people say.
He's not a socialist in any meaningful capacity. In this case it's a marketing term to appeal to the youth. The fact that he can refer to himself as that just shows how screwed up our political terminology is.
High school level economists are the worst. You wouldn't claim to know anything about biology because you took a high school biology class, so why do these people act like they know everything?
>Let me post this image again while I project
I'd like to thank both of you for this insightful debate. I spend a lot of time thinking about going to college, namely because my family believes it's what I should do with all "muh potential."
And I'll agree, I can do better than my call center job experience. I was making pretty good money because I'm a great worker. Then I tend to get over confident and lose my jobs. So all I have to show for myself is my work history which is starting to look suspect.
Obviously I need a tangible talent to show off to potential employers so I can make more money anyways. This past year more than ever have I met people who have gotten bachelor degrees but are simply a supervisor making $2/hr more than me. Hearing stories of the unscaleable student loan debt and I don't want that type of burden.
College is always toted up to be THE place to go. Either college or cucklife for you and trade schools aren't really in style at the moment. Maybe they seem more serious, like well I'm deciding I'm going to be an electrician all my life. Won't get to live the college party life 420 drink alll day fuck classes fuck bitches.
I went on a huge tangent and too mentally drained to continue it..
wait until everyone has a college degree and the increased supply of college graduates drives down the average wage of a bachelors degree holder to $10/hr
it's already the equivalent of having a high school diploma these days, it'll mean even less under muh free college policy
>mfw burger flippers demandin 15/hr will get even more BTFO when this happens
As somebody who grew up in socialism and am currently spending my 40s and 50s I can tell you that socialism is horrible. Capitalism is better, but it is difficult to conclude whether what we have now in America is truly capitalism with so many marxist ideas. For example, when people ask you why you want a job during a job interview the only correct answer is because you need to make money, but that sounds crude and petty. Raising the taxes of the rich will cause inflation to rise immensely. Also liberals eat him up like candy, and I ain't no got dang commie liberal marxist hippie.
>voting for or against someone based on 4chan memes
BERNIE IS LE KEK XDDDD
DONALD TRUMP WILL MAKE ANIME REAL :DDD
I like the idea of subsidizing college education, but we should try to make it more exclusive and focused.
The ultimate goal should be that only jobs that absolutely require a degree should demand one.
Socialized healthcare and education doesn't work
I live in a country with both and our hospitals and universities are not even near the top 200,while the USA has the best doctors,healthcare,universities,research centers,etc of the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD no country even gets close.
What Sanders is trying to do is to destroy what makes America great,which is low fucking taxes and economic freedom
Do you Americans really want to be as poor and decaying as western Europe and Latin America?