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Anybody else trying to restore their foreskin? How's it coming along? Do you think your dick will ever return to its natural state- or at least, a pretty good imitation of it?

I've been working on mine since 2014. I just tug really hard on the skin every time I go to take a piss or shit, and when I'm lying in bed, waiting to fall asleep. So like 5-10 minutes a day, with many days off and days where I forgot to do it or just didn't care about it because I was depressed. So all in all, I've been tugging my dick for many, many hours, and this is where I am at.

Obviously, I still have a long way to go. I'm just glad that I have a fair amount of skin to work with, since I had a pretty loose cut.

But yeah, I'm hoping that one day the glans will be covered and the callouses will peel away and I'll actually be able to feel something during sex. I mean masturbation, who am I kidding.
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Sometimes I'll get motivated or whatever and keep up with the tugging every day for a week or so, then I drop it for months on end.
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No, because I'm not some autist wants his dick to look like a dog dick. You were memed by Goat Fuckers 34th Coalition of Europe into being ashamed of having an aesthetically superior cock.

Yes, a cut cock IS aesthetically superior, even with scarring, because those are the cocks that women learn to be the norm due to the porn industry.
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>>26473974
What the fuck nigger have you ever heard of some God damn lotion?
Your bellend looks like the fucking Sahara you dumb nigger
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>>26473974
>I'm hoping that one day the glans will be covered and the callouses will peel away
sorry mate but it doesn't work like this. The sensitivity is in the foreskin itself
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>>26473974
I started tugging 7 years ago. I was cut so tight I had the skin tear open at the scar when I got an erection. I have now reached a point where the skin barely covers the end of the glans when erect. I plan on tugging until I can get a bit of overhang. I can say the covered end is now far more sensitive, to the point where water in the shower can be borderline uncomfortable on the bare head although I am still unable to actually feel any actual pleasure from due to sever psychological damage from the pain of the cutting itself and the tearing at erection later on. ;_;
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>>26474132
don't believe the lies
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>>26474176
The head of the dick is also sensitive, yet becomes dried and numb from constant exposure for years on end. Hold your tongue out of your mouth for 10 minutes, then imagine that happening to your dick for 20 years.
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>>26474172

what the fuck are you talking about? all circumcised dicks look like that. It's the inevitable result of not having a foreskin. Your glans rubs up against your underwear all day long and it becomes desensitized. It gets calloused.
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>>26474249
I am uncirc and it's mostly not even sensitive, or at least not in a pleasurable way.
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Bump.

I samefag these threads a lot.

T-taped for 2 years, now I'm going with manual stretching to get some thickness on the upper portion of my new skin.

Been doing that for about 2 weeks now, and applying lotion after a session. It's already become a lot thicker and I'm getting more random flaccid coverage.

I'm at a CI-3, aiming for a CI-4.
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>>26474280
Nigger my cock is as smooth as a babies cunt tf outta here with your raisin lookin shit
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>>26474355
It varies between dicks. You might not notice it because your frenum and band are so much more sensitive.
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>>26474172
>Your skin looks dry
>Get some lotion

Well anon, this thread isn't about critiquing dicks...but you can do that plenty over on
>>>/soc/
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>tfw shot directly on the head, like head on urethra when paintballing from a couple feet away
>head bruised and turned blue for months
>skin is still discolored, and has little feeling there

>7 years later
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>>26474451
>>>Your skin looks dry
your dickhead doesnt have skin, dipshit
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>>26474393

Hey man, thanks for posting. Can you tell us a little more about your journey? More pictures would be appreciated, too.
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>>26474213
>7 years.
That's some nice dedication.
Sorry you feel that way though.

Dunno about you, but the reason that kept me restoring to where I am now, was noticing how sensitive I got after t-taping overnight for 3 weeks.

When you say overhang do you mean flaccid or erect?
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I understand your frustrations, but Foregen might be good to go within a few years, even if only in Italy. You can bet your ass the results will be inconsistent as fuck, especially those that are in the U.S, but this might be the only chance we have.
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>>26474541
I meant flaccid. I was cut so tight my dick tore open when I got even a partial erection. That combined with the fact that I was entirely conscious of being cut with out kind of pain relief has damaged me so much inside I can't get a proper erection anymore.
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>>26474519
>Journey

Well let's see.

It started when I found the circumcise index chart, and a pastebin about t-taping.

After fucking around with the tape for a week or so, I finally got the hang of it.

Little by little, I gradually grew more skin.
Progress wise, I'd say there was a noticeable amount of skin every 3 months or so. I wasn't able to pull my skin fully over my head while erect until 14 or so months in.

So I kept at it, trying to get used to the sensitivity took longer than expected.

Eventually, I figured out how to tape the skin over my glans while leaving room for me to piss. After doing that for 3 or so months, I felt like I was finally used to it enough, and stopped for a while.

I'm back at it, but this time doing manual stretching. Made a lot of progress so far, here's another pic of what t-taping looks like at first, and how it changes with your skin growth over time.
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>>26474611
>I was cut so tight my dick tore open

Holy shit, I thought I had it bad.
I was cut pretty tight as well, but only to the point of painful erections.

Have you tried therapy for that last part though?
Sex toys?
Finding some new fetishes?
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>>26474499
I'm literally just repeating what you said.
Nice dubs.

Lurk more, faggot.
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man. i hope this generaration of cocksucking faggots abstain from mutilating their offspring upon their birth, because this thread is breaking my heart. it's not fair that such a gross, offensive, selfish thing can even happen to infants and is actually standard to be inflicted upon infants....
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>>26474625
Is the 'moisteness' back now? Or, despite the growns kin, is still dry?
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>>26474625
>taping with scotch tape
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>Anybody else trying to restore their foreskin? How's it coming along? Do you think your dick will ever return to its natural state- or at least, a pretty good imitation of it?

Some "fauxskins" kind of look like real foreskins, but physiologically and histologically they're nowhere near the real thing. The innervation and musculature of a real foreskin is significantly different.

>I've been working on mine since 2014. I just tug really hard on the skin every time I go to take a piss or shit, and when I'm lying in bed, waiting to fall asleep. So like 5-10 minutes a day, with many days off and days where I forgot to do it or just didn't care about it because I was depressed. So all in all, I've been tugging my dick for many, many hours, and this is where I am at.

I'm glad you're making progress, but you really shouldn't be tugging "really hard". This can cause nerve damage due to traction injury. If you haven't lost any sensation I'm glad, but you need to be careful.

>But yeah, I'm hoping that one day the glans will be covered and the callouses will peel away and I'll actually be able to feel something during sex. I mean masturbation, who am I kidding.

Whether you're mutilated or intact, the glans is primarily innervated with FNEs (nocioceptors). It has little in the way of specialized sensory end organs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3697758

http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/halata/

(continued)
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>>26474692
That's just how things were at the time.
And now since hospitals receive some ridiculous incentives for taking foreskin from infants, you usually have to have both parents give consent, when the doctor and nurse are present.

But even then.
A lot of people disregard it because of phimosis, which is normally very easy to fix unless it's some extreme case.

>But guys will make fun of him in the locker room
I don't even know why this comes up. Who the fuck stares at dicks in locker rooms anyways?

I also don't understand why it's not taught that you just pull the foreskin back and rinse it with water to keep it sanitary.

The whole aesthetically pleasing argument is also horse shit.
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>>26474773


The "genital end bulbs" that Halata and Munger talk about in that paper, despite being encapsulated nerve endings, can hardly be considered specialized sensory end organs. The genital end bulbs of the glans penis consist of axon terminals that resemble resembled a tangled skein of regular FNEs. Most scientists in the field hold that these "genital end bulbs" are high threshold mechanoreceptors. They probably function similarly to regular FNEs. There's no evidence they feel anything like tactile corpuscles--in fact, there's considerable evidence they don't.

The most sensual areas of the human penis are the frenular area and the ridged band, which are heavily innervated with specialized sensory end organs, primarily Meissner corpuscles. Not the glans, which is primarily innervated with nocioceptors.

Don't expect your glans to ever give you the amazing sexual pleasure that you could've gotten from your frenular delta or ridged band had they not been amputated. It's not going to happen.
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>>26474664
Ive given up on trying to get erections again. I have resigned myself to cumming purely from prostate stimulation. Now i fly to Pattaya once a year and get barebacked by big-dicked ladyboys.
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>>26474692
Trust me, they won't.
Or at least not the people in my area.
I've tried carefully explaining to my sister how my circumcision damaged me, but the only person she listens to is this fucking hick pediatrician who only wants to cut her kid because why the fuck not.
It makes me so mad thinking about how her kid may grow up like I did, broken, ashamed, and angry at my parents for what they did to me.
But that probably won't happen considering the guys in my area don't even think about it. They just don't give a shit and no one I know will ever feel my pain.
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>>26474731
Oh yes, that's back for sure.
The difference is a little hard to explain though.

It's like a good portion of my glans is constantly covered in precum.

>>26474742
Dude, it costs like $2 a roll and it lasts you like 3 months.
It's also the easiest to remove.

Can't really complain about it though. Since you mostly leave the tape on overnight and take it off during the day.

>>26474773
>http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/halata/
That's pretty neat.
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>my sister is pregnant with a boy
>tell her that she shouldn't remove his baby's foreskin, otherwise he would hate her forever
>she replies saying "why would i remove it?"

Well, she is smarter than i recall.
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>>26474809
>Don't expect your glans to ever give you the amazing sexual pleasure that you could've gotten from your frenular delta or ridged band

I know this, I don't expect to get that
My dick is dry and I can't feel anything withit, i can with a needle and not feel anything.
A few times i covered my cockhead with platic wrap tied with a rubber band to lock in the natural moisture from the smegma.
My head became snesitive to where i can actually feel when i touch it
it may not be fine touch pleasure like a foreskin, but covering the head and keeping it moust will bring something there
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restored here, did manual tugging for 2 years and have full flaccid coverage

the removal of the keritainized skin has made every thing feel so much better
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>all these cucks boys thinking their foreskin is a good as our natural non cut foreskin

I didn't know literally stretching your skin to cover the tip of your dick made the nerve endings and shit grow back.
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>>26474176

This.

The foreskin (and the associated structures like the frenular delta) are where a lot of the feeling comes from during sex and masturbation.

>>26474213

>I am still unable to actually feel any actual pleasure from due to sever psychological damage from the pain of the cutting itself and the tearing at erection later on.

Probably a bigger reason why you can't feel much pleasure is that the main pleasure centers are in the foreskin itself, which in your case, unfortunately, was cut off.

It's an anatomical fact that the male human glans is primarily innervated with nocioceptors; this has been confirmed by objective analysis and documented in the mainstream medical literature for decades ( note my earlier reference to Halata and Munger's work)

The idea that the glans is the seat of male pleasure is a meme. It contradicts human anatomy.

There are animals that have heavy innervation with specialized sensory end organs in the glans. The human male is not one of them.

>The rhesus monkey has fewer corpuscular receptors in the prepuce and more corpuscular receptors in the glans. In humans, however, the glans penis has few corpuscular receptors and predominant free nerve endings, consistent with protopathic sensibility. Protopathic simply refers to a low order of sensibility (consciousness of sensation), such as to deep pressure and pain, that is poorly localised. The cornea of the eye is also protopathic, since it can react to a very minute stimulus, such as a hair under the eyelid, but it can only localise which eye is affected and not the exact location of the hair within the conjunctival sac. As a result, the human glans penis has virtually no fine touch sensation and can only sense deep pressure and pain at a high threshold.

(Cold & McGrath: Anatomy and histology of the penile and clitoral prepuce in primates. Published in "Male and Female Circumcision". Denniston GC, Hodges FM, Milos MF eds. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, New York, 1999.)
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http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/

>The average size of the adult prepuce has been stated to be about 15 square inches or more or the size of a 3 x 5-inch index card. Taylor studied 22 prepuces taken from adult cadavers. Taylor reported a range of length from 4.8 to 9.3 cm with a mean length of 6.4 cm

>15 fucking cm of skin
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>>26474977
>not reading a single post in the thread explaining why restoring is better than nothing
mediocre bait
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>>26475028

Nigger, your foreskin is literally as useful as a neck warmer.

Enjoy your loose skin and no nerves.
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>>26474981
by not being able to get pleasure I meant it was because I can barley get hard now.
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>>26474977
Well, not entirely.

But it does give more sensitivity and the gliding sensation back, which is more than enough reason to start in the first place.
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>>26475043
ludicrously terrible bait
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>>26475055
So basically what i said here; >>26475043

Loose skin with no nerves. Thank fuck for my parents not cutting my dick and me needing to spend years stretching my skin.. literally.

When in the end, it isn't even as functional as a natural. That whole time you could have taken up weight-lifting and actually got pussy.

>>26475074

What ever, turtleneck.
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>>26474132

An intact human dick doesn't look like a dog's dick. It looks like a human dick that hasn't been mutilated.

A dog's dick looks like a dog's dick. Circumcised dog dicks look like dog dicks that have been circumcised.

You're like someone who had his external ears cut off bragging, "Now I don't have dog ears", or someone missing most of their nose saying, "I'm glad I don't have a dog nose".

It's ridiculous.
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>>26474977
keep posting your dick looking for compliments you degenerate
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>>26474132
>if we start cutting everyone's thumbs off at birth everyone with 4 fingers is superior because it's the the norm
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>>26475085
Love it, it's big, thick, and I'm fucking natural with nerves in my foreskin.

Have the best of both worlds, oh also 6ft. So make that three.
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>>26475083

To be clear, of course a dog's dick that's been circumcised has indeed been mutilated. Not my intention to make it seem like I'm okay with dog circumcision.
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>>26475086
implying 4 fingers dont look better then 4 and a thumb
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>>26475092
>big intact cock
>6 ft tall
>on 4chan
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>>26475043
>he has so little self steam that he needs to post his disgusting dick in a mongolian anime image forum
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>>26475108
.t loser who's stretching his skin to make it look natural
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>>26475106

Lots of normies post here, familia. This was never a board for dysfunctional retards.
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>>26475080
>That whole time you could have taken up weight-lifting and actually got pussy.

You act like taking 5 minutes out of my day to put tape on my dick or do some manual stretching doesn't leave me with enough time to pursue other hobbies or relationships.

Yeah, I'm taking the bait.
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>>26475148
Oh, you're the nig. My nigga even with foreskin you won't be getting puss puss.
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>>26475123
Actually my dick is 6.7 inches and has a foreskin, but i don't go to threads to make fun of people who have it worse than me.

People like you are disgusting, there is enough suffering for these boys already.
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>>26475142
ur a good memer :^)
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>>26475123
>Drakeposting
>t.

How come there's always some faggot that shows up to brag about being uncut? It happens literally every time a thread is made here.
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>>26475161
>I hate you for bragging
>But i just did the same in-front of these turtleneck dicked losers
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>>26475169
>Being a nigger
>Posting some YouTube queer
>Thinks his opinion matters in the slightest

Don't you have tape to stick all over the tip of your dick, brah?
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>>26475160
You wanna get back to the point you were trying to make or keep flinging ad hominems at me?

You're not helping your argument.
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>>26475043
> bragging about sensitivity
> implying ejaculation is a sensation worth caring about
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>>26475188
>Getting this asshurt over a reply.

I know this place is full of spergs, but try to tone it down a little.
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>>26475195
you aware aware intactdicks can feel pleasure without cumming right?
only we cutfags have to cum to feel good
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>>26475194
Buddy, lets get the facts down;
>You were that much of a faggot you spent years trying to stretch your skin to make it look like a natural dick
>You regularly stick scotch tape on the tip of your dick
>You're a nigger
>etc..

Just give up, homie.
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scotch-tape negro anon
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>tfw kikes turned this thread into shitposting to end discussion about reducing our circumcision troubles
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>>26475211
i'm just saying that anything dick related pales in comparison to drugs, so why are all of you faggots even having this conversation?
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>All these threads on /r9k/ complaining about dick size or being circ'd
>When someone goes to make a restoring thread here, it gets filled to the brim with shitposters

Like fucking clockwork.
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>>26473974

http://www.foregen.org/

Soon you will be able to take an injection to get it back. It already works on rats.
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>>26475209
Yo bro, can i call you the scotch tape bandit?
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>>26475233
it helps us feel better abouth getting cucked by Shmuel
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>>26475195

Sexual pleasure isn't just ejaculation. The inner and transitional preputial tissues are loaded with specialized sensory end organs that give a man waves of pleasure BEFORE he has an orgasm.

http://www.can-fap.net/preview/fundraiser_preview_fremgasmlengthwise.shtml
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>>26475214
>Get BTFO
>Can't even respond without calling someone names.

You have to be 18 to post here.

>>>/pol/ might be more up to your speed, champ.

>>26475232
It's probably just some faggot from /pol/ who makes Blacked and c.uckholding threads
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>>26475249
Who?
You're replying to the wrong person.
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>>26475284
Hello Scotch-Tape bandit, i think the only one who got BTFO was you, both by Jesus and me.

Jesus for making you a nigger, and me for giving you the true hard facts that your loose turtleneck ring around the tip of your penis is not at all really comparable to a natural cock with it's nerves and nerve endings.

All those years stretching your charcoal skin was for nothing.
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Fuck mam. Reading this makes me happy I wasn't born second. My brother was cut. Shit would have been worst if I was born second.
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>>26475309
Wait, you're little brother got cut, but you weren't? What kind of backwards-ass logic is that?
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can we please get this thread back on topic. I hate being circ'd. Here, I'll start:

>>26473974
Have you ever thought about using some of those "tugging" tools. I'd like to try one myself but to poor to take the risk, it would really suck if it ended up not working
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>>26475307
>frogposting
>can't complete a sentence without using the word nigger

What are you reaching for, anon?
I'm sure you won't find it here.
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>>26475357
>>can't complete a sentence without using the word nigger

Why? am i not allowed to say the word nigger? Apes like yourself always greet other apes with the same word. Yet it's only bad, and incorrect when a 6ft white boy with a natural cock says it?

Tell me the truth, do you hate being a nigger?
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>>26475348
I have a DTR but it hasn't done much for me. I'm tightly cut though.
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By the way, any of you guys read Guy Cox and Brian Morris's new paper "Histological Correlates of Penile Sexual Sensation"?

In it, he postulates that touch sensation likely has nothing to do with sexual pleasure. He makes this absurd proposition to defend circumcision (which he has stated should be mandatory).

He is so full of shit. Everyone knows that touch sensation is important to sexual pleasure. It's very obvious.
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>>26475348
It won't happen.

Wanna know why?

This faggot.

>>26475307
>>26475249
>>26475228
>>26475214
>>26475188
>>26475160
>>26475123
>>26475092
>>26475080
>>26474977
>>26475043
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>>26475388
Don't forget the self hating nigger in denial, pham; >>26475357
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>>26475348
>Have you ever thought about using some of those "tugging" tools. I'd like to try one myself but to poor to take the risk, it would really suck if it ended up not working

Not him, but they work quite well. But it depends on the person I guess. I use something similar to pic related. For about 9 months I've gotten halfway covered flaccid.
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>>26475431
nice witch craft tool, how many girlfriends have you got since the transformation from cut to semi cut?
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>>26475381
Tell me, is there a reason why you keep missing the point?

Is there a reason why you keep avatarfagging with frog pictures?

Did you forget your trip code?

Keep it up, I can use the entertainment tonight.

Something tells me you won't though.
You'll run out of frog pictures, and you'll just keep repeating the same argument instead of coming up with something new.

Keep calling me names, you're not helping yourself at all.

I'd tell you to stop beating the dead horse, but you've practically fucked it by now.
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>>26475348

Some guys have done it and noticed some improvement. But it cannot ever give you back anything really like a real foreskin. Also, the risks of tissue expansion are not known (however if the tension is too great, then traction injury to the nerves is clearly a real possibility--it's well-known that nerves under excess tension can break). There's not a lot of medical literature on the subject.

The DTR web site makes it very clear that they disavow all responsibility if you somehow further damage your dick while using it, whether you use it according to the directions or not. And they recommend consulting with a doctor first.
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>>26475461

It's rather embarrassing when you cry about someone fro-posting, but you sit here doing nothing but posting images of your charcoal scotch taped dick, ad when you aren't doing that you're busy posting nigger reaction faces from tumblr.

Must suck having a small cock, being a shit-skin an being short.
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>>26475458
I'm still a virgin at 20. I'm doing this just to make myself feel better and it gives me more confidence that I can eventually have the appearance of a natural penis.

Also I have dated a few women in the past but haven't gone all the way due to my social anxiety.
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>tfw sometimes if my dick is soft i can roll the skin over the head and it'll stay that way for half a minute or so before rolling back off
Goddamn it I love my parents but I can't stand what they did to me. I brought it up a bunch when I first realized how much I hated it, my Mom told me it wasn't a big deal and to just chill and I told her "Let's cut the hood off your clit and we'll see how big a deal it is." I can't believe I said that looking back. But she understood I was just upset so it never blew up into a big fight or anything.
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>>26475480

*The exact risks of tissue expansion specifically OF THE DICK SKIN are not known

Need to be clear on this.

Tissue expansion of other body parts can in some cases cause traction injury to the nerves. So from this we can infer that it's also a possible side effect of tensioning the skin of the dick.

I don't know that there are documentations in the medical literature of nerve damage from tensioning the penis skin, but there's nothing about penis skin that would make the nerves in it immune to these risk of traction injury.

A little nerve damage in the arm or forehead might not be as big a deal to most guys. Nerve damage to an already damaged penis might be terrible.

Be careful.
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>>26475502
>but you sit here doing nothing but posting images of your charcoal scotch taped dick
Might want to go back and check the thread.
Protip: I posted less images than you, considering you started all this

>nigger reaction faces from tumblr

Keep reaching.
One day, you just might find something.
Now I know you've used up the last of it
It was fun while it lasted, though.

Maybe one day you'll realize that calling someone names means fuck-all on this imageboard.

Come on, get a little creative with your insults.
You act like I haven't heard a majority of that name-calling.

I'd tell ya to lurk more, but you'd fit right in on the containment board >>>/pol/
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>>26475337
Who fucking knows. My parents talk like I was the "test child," so who fucking knows why they did a lot of the things they did. I also wasn't breast fed. My brother was.
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>>26475562

>tfw sometimes if my dick is soft i can roll the skin over the head and it'll stay that way for half a minute or so before rolling back off

Sounds like you weren't cut nearly as severely as a lot of the guys here.

Many guys are cut so tight that the skin is effectively fused to the tunica albuginea and has zero mobility even when flaccid.

This can cause the sensation of the penis skin basically ripping apart when you get a rock hard erection. Some guys report waking up in the night in searing pain from a nocturnal erection that's pulling their dick skin so tight they can't stand it.
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>>26475618

Btw, not trying to diminish your feelings about your mutilation. Even if it wasn't quite as severe as the next guy's it's still bad...not trying to make it into a pissing contest.
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>>26475578
>Still being a nigger
>Still posting tumblr nigger reaction images after crying about someone posting frog pictures

Also i had a good laugh at your post here;>>26474393

>I samefag these threads a lot.

How pathetic can one be?
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>>26475562
>Let's cut the hood off your clit and we'll see how big a deal it is

Did the right thing, even if it sounds bad in retrospect. I wish I had the nerve to get angry at my parents, but I guess that was cut off too.
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>>26475634
>How pathetic can you be?

Might wanna ask yourself that.
Some anon called you out on your shit a while ago. >>26475388

Having trouble expanding your vocabulary?
If you're not gonna bother coming up with better insults, I don't see why I should bother.

If you can come up with some other insult besides the word nigger, I'd be amazed.

It's no fun dealing with the average /pol/ retorts.
And if it hasn't sunk in at this point, name-calling doesn't really work here.

Where do you think you are?
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By the way, the medical consensus in Holland is that circumcision (at least in cases where there is no condition requiring treatment) should be strongly discouraged by doctors.

>The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children's rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications -- bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common.

>KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the ABSENCE OF MEDICAL BENEFITS and the danger of complications.

http://www.knmg.nl/Publicaties/KNMGpublicatie/77942/Nontherapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-2010.htm

Dutch doctors already know this. The anti-circumcision position is already mainstream medical consensus in Holland. Yet here in the US, some people still treat it as if it were some sort of wacky fringe position.

The US medical establishment is way behind the curve on this.
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>>26475596
All I gotta say is your parents are fucked in the head.
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Can someone explain to me what the fuck these are?
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>>26476005
"Nasco Replacement Foreskins for Life/Teen
circumcision Trainers, White, 10/pk
Nasco Company Model: LF00924U"
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>>26476005

Model dicks to practice mutilating.
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Cut at 19, now 28

Let me just say I feel mayyybee 1/20th of what I used too. Life sucks ass and it has made me suicidal.
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All of my pleasure is centered here. Looks like the jews cut me good.
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>>26473974
You guys can stretch and stretch but you will NEVER feel what it should be like.

Cut as an adult. I feel 1% pleasure now.
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I'm not sure a full recovery is possible. I'm uncut but I've had phemosis (don't remember name/spelling, foreskin too small anyhow). So being absolutely terrified by the idea of taking scissors to my dick I got a creme from the good doctor which I where to smear on the end of my Penis and then tug it a little.

Now I'm perfectly fine. When fully erect the head has about 50% of the radius of the end covered.

But to the point. The foreskin is connected to the Penis via a blood vessel (it looks like). so you can't really have the same thing. Also I don't think it's the same everywhere. It doesn't just get moist because it's skin there. It has a different texture.
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I don't remember. But female circumcision is illegal why? Iirc it was infection risks and such but I don't see why it'd be worse than on dicks.

Funnily enough the point was brought up that it reduces sensitivity. Somewhere out there there's someone who condemns one of the genitalia mutilation but not the other. Passes me off.
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>>26476767
Its because they are women and there was a huge feminist movement in the 70's to ban it. However, when men tried to get it banned it was seen as patriarchal and suppressed.
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>Never circumcised.
>Tempted to do stretching anyway so I can make my foreskin a little bit longer so it's more fun to suck and play with while I perform autofellatio.
Are there any downsides? I just want maybe have a centimetre more foreskin protuding from the tip.
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>>26476767

>But female circumcision is illegal why?

In the US, it's only been illegal for about 20 years. It was banned due to people campaigning for it to be banned and by raising awareness about it in African/Muslim countries.

By the time it was banned, it had already fallen way out of favor among mainstream US society, too (it never really even got that popular, although it was practiced in some American hospitals for spurious "health" reasons here and there, mostly during the early to mid 20th century).

The American Academy of Pediatrics actually suggested re-legalizing some forms of it back in 2010 (their rationale was that if you legalize it, it'll keep people from having it done illegally to their daughters to worse degrees, and by people without medical backgrounds) The public came down hard and the AAP backed down.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/27/AAP.retracts.female.genital.cutting/
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>>26476866

Tissue expansion via stretching in other body parts has the documented risk of possible traction injury to the nerves. There's no reason to suppose that penile nerve tissue is impervious to traction injury.

I'd recommend you just leave it alone and enjoy being intact.
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reminder that the only people who care about other people having a cut cock are literally guys who have never had sex before

you last longer in bed and women find cut cocks better looking

>b-but you don't feel as good

yeah this is real important when you're fucking masturbating
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>>26476906

Although, I should add that if you do it gently, traction injury is probably unlikely. But nobody knows exactly how much you can stretch tissue without a nerve breaking.

But still. Unless there's some actual issue going on I would recommend not messing with a good thing.
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>>26473974
been for 2 years now but really i'm nowhere close. they cut off so much and mangled the rest that the gains aren't really going to be that great. i need a real regeneration to ever hope to get a fraction of what's supposed to be normal
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>>26476911

>reminder that the only people who care about other people having a cut cock are literally guys who have never had sex before

You made that up as a defense mechanism. It's a lie you're telling us (and yourself) to feel better about having been mutilated.

>you last longer in bed

There's no evidence of that, and it would be quite hard to test.

At any rate, "lasting longer" isn't always a good thing. A normal amount of time for intercourse to last is 5-10 minutes. More than that is unusual and not necessarily better.

>b-but you don't feel as good

>yeah this is real important when you're fucking masturbating

Yeah, it is. That's the point of masturbating. To feel good.
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>>26476937
>>26474981
What do you think of Foregen?

Would it be possible in a now 20 year olds lifetime.
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>>26476911
>i don't want to feel good so I last longer in bed
Just stapel your damn nipples or something then. There's so many different ways you can decrease your enjoyment of sex. But what the fuck is the point in sex if you both can't enjoy it.

Just masturbating lots can do that too. Seriously worried about my foreskin now because I've been jacking off for 4 without ejaculating yesterday (that's close to half the world record) and I fear an incident might have hurt my foreskin. Gonna get myself checked. God damn imagine if I've actually cut myself.
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>>26477000

I think it's more or less a good idea in theory. I have no idea whether it'll actually become a reality though. I don't think anyone does.

It's insane that some of the boys being cut right now will grow up and be longing after the promise of foreskin regeneration when if they hadn't been mutilated to begin with it wouldn't even be needed.
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OP here. Even more depressed than I was before.

My pathetic penis. My parents fucked me over for life. I love them, they're amazing people, but they made a terrible, terrible decision, and even to this day they still believe circumcision is a good thing. They never take me seriously when I bring the issue up, and it's so hard to talk about because you are literally talking about dicks.

Even when I'm jerking off, I don't feel anything for like the first 5 to 10 minutes. I'll be stroking my dick and I won't feel a thing. Eventually I will start to feel like I'm about to cum, and then sensation is restored for like a minute or two and then I cum. Sometimes when I'm edging I will get close to an orgasm but restrain myself at the last moment, so the orgasm recedes. But when I start stroking my dick again, I don't feel anything! It's totally numb. No pleasure at all. In this case when I cum, it's very weak and not enjoyable.

So masturbation is difficult and sex is impossible. I can't believe my parents were so stupid as to believe that this procedure was necessary. And the fucking doctors who let it happen, I hate those smug fuckers too.
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>>26477067
This sounds more like the result of depression than circumcision, mate. I'm cut and my dick works fine, too well, even.
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>>26476449
nobody feels bad for you. You shouldve known better, you had it all and you fucked up.

sorry senpai I want to feel bad for you but that's just how it is
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>>26477011

Be careful while masturbating, man. It's known that rough or abusive masturbation can injure the penis or even lead to internal scarring and chronic inflammation.

It's very unusual to masturbate for 4 hours at a time and it's really not a good idea. A normal length of time to have sex is 5-10 minutes, as I said before. The penis isn't really meant to handle hours and hours of activity without rest.

You'll probably be fine, but I really would recommend treating your dick very gently from now on. There are lots of reports online of guys having injured their dicks from excessive masturbation. I don't know if there's any medical literature on that particular subject, but it would be nice if there were. Actually medical literature on male sexual health and well-being in general is lacking, and lots of guys treat their dicks very roughly because they don't realize the consequences.

On a vaguely related note, there's actually a doctor out there, Dr. Zargooshi, who's been waging a campaign to get Iranian guys to stop snapping their dicks in half. They think it's harmless, that it's a good way to get rid of an inconvenient erection, and that it can make their dicks grow bigger. What it really does is damage the penis internals, often permanently.

It's enough to want there to be some kind of "Save the Wangs" campaign or something, in the vein of Save the Whales.
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I would probably kill myself if I was so insecure about having a mutilated dick LMAO
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>>26477091

It's not possible for a circumcised penis to function like an intact one. The foreskin is primary erogenous tissue in and of itself.

You're lucky you can still have sexual function and experience sexual pleasure, but it's not the quality of sensation you'd experience if you'd been left intact. It is diminished and distorted. That's simply a biological fact. Your penis is missing some of its major pleasure centers that would give you pleasure through the whole sex act.

I'm glad you're okay about your situation, really. But OP's feelings are understandable in light of the reality of what circumcision actually is.
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>>26477067
I'm cut and I can't relate to anything you're saying here.
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>>26477157

Not all circumcisions are the same, and not all people cope with missing parts of their body as well as the next person.

Some people can lose a hand and cope reasonably well with it. Others really find it very hard to deal with missing even a single digit.

Some women have had their clitoris cut off and they say they're perfectly fine (see pic). Other women would be lost without their clitoris and be horribly depressed about not having it.
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>>26477067
My dick in a nutshell. Numb until I cum. If I use lube then the head of my dick just feels like an eyeball and I have the same issue plus irritation.

I love my parents, but I will never forgive them for paying a fucking doctor to mutilate my penis. I'll never know what sex should feel like because im missing most of my nerve endings.

Forgen is a meme, it wont happen and even if it does I'll never know if its the real thing.

I just use my prostate every once an a while now, I consider my dick broken, dead, and I dont touch it at all anymore.
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>>26477193
not feeling anything at all sounds pretty extreme, sorry you have no useful dick bro. good luck
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>>26477067

Maybe it would help you feel better if you helped prevent this mutilation from being forced onto other people.

I'd recommend looking into the histological research of Ken McGrath (who identified and described the frenular delta) and the late John Taylor (who identified and described the ridged band). That way when people try to give you shit like "oh it's no big deal", you can show them that actually yes, it is a big deal.

Since the 90's there's been an explosion of knowledge about what the foreskin actually is. The surgeons and anatomists who have actually studied it know it's not a "flap of extra skin" but in fact a complex organ and richly-innervated erogenous tissue. And yet some people don't know that.

Raising awareness is important.
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>>26474977
fucking reeee goddamnit
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>>26477261
>>26477261
>complex
I dunno, things like Kidneys and Hearts are probably more complex.
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>>26477381

The foreskin is primary erogneous tissue and very intricately formed, as it's comprised of several distinct structures with different patterns of innervation and different functions.

The kidneys, heart, and foreskin are all complex. Piddling over which ones are "more complex" is a waste of time and like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
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>>26477155
I know several people who were circumcised as adults. I linked them this thread and they report no loss of sexual sensation. My broscience senses are tingling.
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>>26477465

>I know several people who were circumcised as adults. I linked them this thread and they report no loss of sexual sensation

That's physiologically impossible. The foreskin includes the ridged band and frenular delta, which have been proven to be heavily innervated specialized erogenous tissues.

>The prepuce is primary, erogenous tissue necessary for normal sexual function [8]. The complex interaction between the protopathic sensitivity of the corpuscular receptor-deficient glans penis [42] and the corpuscular receptor-rich ridged band of the male prepuce [45] is required for normal copulatory behaviour. The increased frequency of masturbation, anal intercourse and fellatio reported by circumcised men in the USA [81] may possibly be due to the sensory imbalance caused by circumcision.

...

>The prepuce is a specialized, specific erogenous tissue in both males and females. Therefore, surgical excision should be restricted to lesions that are unresponsive to medical therapy, such as lichen sclerosis of the penis (balanitis xerotica obliterans) or vulva, which is unresponsive to other therapies (e.g. topical clobetasol, intralesional corticosteroids, topical testosterone propionate ointment, etretinate, and carbon dioxide or laser vaporization) [99]...

>The loss of the prepuce ridged band and the formation of an amputation neuroma are two further complications associated with male circumcision. Although a Fourcroy grade 1 female circumcision would excise less tissue than in a male, this comparison cannot be used to justify female circumcision. Excision of normal, erogenous genital tissue from healthy male or female children cannot be condoned, as the histology confirms that the external genitalia are specialized sensory tissues.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf

There are many men who report having suffered severe losses of sensation after having their foreskins removed. (continued)
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>>26477465
Shh, you're interrupting the circlejerk
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>>26475244
can't tell if it's just a really butthurt cutlet or just some dude trying to piss us off
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>>26477521
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf

This citation supports your point weakly at best. You need an actual study of men circumcised as adults, not a discussion of the anatomy of the foreskin. The complexity of the foreskin is irrelevant to the question at hand if, say, the brain can compensate for its loss.
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>>26477521

Their experiences square with the objective histological facts. You can't remove tissue and still have the same sensation in that tissue. It's not possible.

Here are just two anecdotal reports of men who've lost sensation after being cut. There are more reports in this very thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtN7JmMUfZE [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHGFx95D80 [Embed]

Your friends may be denying the existence of the loss of sensation as a coping mechanism, or maybe they had problems with their foreskins to begin with and the fact that they don't have those problems anymore outweighs the loss of sensation, or maybe they enjoy being circumcised for personal reasons that outweigh the objective loss of sensation, so subjectively they still enjoy sex.

But they can't have the same sensation after having tissue cut off. It defies both common sense and anatomical reality.

Would you consider it "broscience" if a woman told you the experience of sex can't be the same if you have no clitoris?

I imagine you wouldn't. The fact that the clitoris isn't homologous to the foreskin is in this context irrelevant--the point is you can't remove tissue and still have the same sensation in that tissue, because it's gone.
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>>26477651
Again, you're a dumbshit. I said they had "no noticeable loss of sexual sensation." Emphasis should perhaps be directed to the word "noticeable" - a healthy brain can completely compensate for the loss of the foreskin, just as the brain can compensate for damaged or lost nerves in other areas of the body.
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>>26474977
>>26475043
>>26475092
are you here still

please post more
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>>26477649

>The complexity of the foreskin is irrelevant to the question at hand if, say, the brain can compensate for its loss.

The brain can't give you normal, undistorted sensation in a part of the body you no longer have. The brain can't give you normal tactile sensation corresponding to stimuli without the nerve endings capable of receiving that stimulation.

And I doubt you'd hold this standard if we were talking about cutting off the clitoris, would you? Again, the fact that the clitoris isn't directly homologous to the foreskin isn't the issue here--the clitoris is held to be very important to female sexual sensation, which is why I'm keen to use it as an example here.

We don't need studies to prove that cutting off the woman's clitoris is deleterious to sexual sensitivity. It's taken for granted, even by people who know nothing about histology or the different types of nerve endings.

Yet the foreskin is held to a different standard, even though histological evidence proves that it's richly innervated with complex end organs such as Meissner corpuscles--whereas the glans has been described in the mainstream medical literature as a protopathic structure, naturally deficient in specialized sensory end organs and primarily innervated with FNEs (nocioceptors).
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>>26475385
i'm pretty sure that guy legit is a circumfetishist
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>Feeling bad because you can't feel something you never even felt before
>remember the 6 million nerve endings

Just move on, you'll never get your foreskin back, no matter how hard you try. Is your dick dry? Then moisturize that shit and shut the fuck up. Lol, if you want to be more sensitive, stop masturbating all the time, you dumb fucking cucks.

That's the problem with you robots, you keep dwelling on the past and things you can't change and just make yourselves more miserable. Yeah, it sucks you lost a piece of yourselves for no reason, but it's done, life goes on. Quit letting people troll you and make you sad for something you had no say in.
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>>26477677

>Again, you're a dumbshit.

Thanks, you too.

>a healthy brain can completely compensate for the loss of the foreskin, just as the brain can compensate for damaged or lost nerves in other areas of the body.

Tell that to the people suffering from peripheral neuropathy, or those who can't feel pleasure in their genitals because they're missing the main pleasure zones.
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>>26477651
hey there,

i am so sad about my circumsision sometimes that i legimaitly consider suicide.

just how much would you guess im missing? is the 1% really a valid number? i have maybe an in and a half of the pink skin
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>>26474977
thats the most amazing cock ive ever seen
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>>26473974
come on TK my guy...
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Eben 4gen when?
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>>26475562
Good for you. You said the right thing, trust me. She trivialized what they did to you.
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>>26477721
> The brain can't give you normal, undistorted sensation in a part of the body you no longer have. The brain can't give you normal tactile sensation corresponding to stimuli without the nerve endings capable of receiving that stimulation.

The brain can and does simulate sensation from missing body parts, as someone as well-read as you should well know.

> And I doubt you'd hold this standard if we were talking about cutting off the clitoris, would you? Again, the fact that the clitoris isn't directly homologous to the foreskin isn't the issue here--the clitoris is held to be very important to female sexual sensation, which is why I'm keen to use it as an example here.

The clitoris is irrelevant to the point you're trying to make, as is any homology it might have the the foreskin.

> We don't need studies to prove that cutting off the woman's clitoris is deleterious to sexual sensitivity. It's taken for granted, even by people who know nothing about histology or the different types of nerve endings.

If we had a group of women claiming that removal of the clitoris caused a noticeable loss of sexual simulation and a second group that claimed otherwise, a double-blind study would in fact be the rigorous way to determine the validity of one claim or the other.

> Yet the foreskin is held to a different standard, even though histological evidence proves that it's richly innervated with complex end organs such as Meissner corpuscles--whereas the glans has been described in the mainstream medical literature as a protopathic structure, naturally deficient in specialized sensory end organs and primarily innervated with FNEs (nocioceptors).

And you can make a pretty solid hypothesis on that basis. You still need to produce actual evidence. I'm talking about a major study in a mainstream medical journal showing statistically significant differences in sexual response across a broad, representative sample.
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>mfw I just wrote this

I hate these threads, I just want to forget about this. Now I'm going to think about this for months.

Guess I better kill myself now.
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>>26477465
https://circumcisiondiary.wordpress.com/
https://phimosisjourney.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/27/
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>>26477763

>i am so sad about my circumsision sometimes that i legimaitly consider suicide.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I don't think you should kill yourself though. Try to enjoy life, man.

>just how much would you guess im missing? is the 1% really a valid number? i have maybe an in and a half of the pink skin

It's not easy to really break it down into percentages like that, especially for a third person. You definitely would have lost sensation; that's just simple reasoning. You lose tissue, you lose the sensation in that tissue. Nobody would question this if we weren't talking about the foreskin, which is held to a different standard than all the other sex organs because some people just can't get over the fact that it's really part of the penis, and a very specialized part at that.

And the foreskin is an erogenous area heavily innervated with complex nerve endings, which are capable of providing really amazing sensations. So, you would've lost those sensations.

If you can still feel some real physical pleasure during sex or masturbation, then obviously all isn't lost. Try to enjoy what you can is the best advice I can give you. If you still have a remnant of your frenulum or your delta, maybe try focusing on that area.
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>>26477751
> Thanks, you too.

My pleasure.

> Tell that to the people suffering from peripheral neuropathy, or those who can't feel pleasure in their genitals because they're missing the main pleasure zones.

The former can be caused by a wide variety of pathologies, some the brain can compensate for, some they can't. You still need to provide solid evidence linking the lack of sensation to circumcision. You can explore the nuanced details of penile anatomy all day and have exactly the same persuasive power as a wet fart without actual evidence demonstrating the existence and extent of the problem you want people to care about.
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>>26477872
I'm curious, are you circumsized? I agree with everything you're saying, I'm just curious.

>>26477819
I donate nearly 500 buckaroonies to foregen every month. I don't know how well they are spending it, but I have the money so why not.
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>>26477834

>The brain can and does simulate sensation from missing body parts, as someone as well-read as you should well know.

Not normal, undistorted sensation.

>The clitoris is irrelevant to the point you're trying to make, as is any homology it might have the the foreskin.

No it isn't. You take it for granted that the presence of a clitoris is important to a woman's sexual sensation, do you not?

>If we had a group of women claiming that removal of the clitoris caused a noticeable loss of sexual simulation and a second group that claimed otherwise, a double-blind study would in fact be the rigorous way to determine the validity of one claim or the other.

It would be impossible for such a study to be "double blind". Think about this for five minutes and you'll understand why. I can't believe you're suggesting something so ludicrous.

> You still need to produce actual evidence. I'm talking about a major study in a mainstream medical journal showing statistically significant differences in sexual response across a broad, representative sample.

"Sexual response" is a vague term and difficult to measure, but here's something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947
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>>26477903

>You still need to provide solid evidence linking the lack of sensation to circumcision.

You cannot have norma sensation in tissue that has been cut off. The foreskin is "primary, erogenous tissue necessary for normal sexual function", as noted by Cold and Taylor in the review I posted earlier in this thread. Removing it removes sensation in it.

You can't have normal sensation in a finger that's been cut off. A woman can't feel normal sensation in her clitoris if it's missing. You can't feel your foot as you normally would if it were missing.

Your holding the foreskin up to some arbitrary standard is a case of special pleading.
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>>26477914

>I'm curious, are you circumsized? I agree with everything you're saying, I'm just curious.

In the interest of squelching ad hominem attacks before they start, I'd prefer not to answer that in this thread. Hope you understand.
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>>26478001
I understand.

Thanks for what you are doing, if you have a kik add me dp1995g. I'd be nice to have someone rational to talk to when this shit brings me down.
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>>26477919
> Not normal, undistorted sensation.

Define these terms. They're totally meaningless to me.

> No it isn't. You take it for granted that the presence of a clitoris is important to a woman's sexual sensation, do you not?

Let's pretend I'm having this same conversation with someone in a female circumcision thread. Their obligation to produce actual evidence for their claims would be the same as yours. The fact that you continue to insist on this rhetorical flourish (amount to little more than a childish cry of "it's not fair!") does little to endear me to your cause.

> It would be impossible for such a study to be "double blind". Think about this for five minutes and you'll understand why. I can't believe you're suggesting something so ludicrous.

You're not a scientist, I see. The process is simple - one group of researchers asses the sexual satisfaction of the sample without knowing whether or not they are circumcised. A second group of researchers assess the details of the sample's circumcision without knowing anything about their sex lives. A third group of researchers then collates the data so that no bias is possible. A controlled trail would be impossible, as you would know if you knew what these terms actually meant.

> "Sexual response" is a vague term and difficult to measure, but here's something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

From the abstract of this study:

> Age at first intercourse, perceived importance of a good sex life and current sexual activity differed little between circumcised and uncircumcised men or between women with circumcised and uncircumcised spouses.

This is not the overwhelming damage to their sex life I was lead to believe I would see. I think the link between circumcision and difficulty orgasming is interesting, but agree that a broader study needs to be done where circumcision is more common. It's not much of a study to justify all this hysteria, frankly.
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>>26477970
> Your holding the foreskin up to some arbitrary standard is a case of special pleading.

Since this is becoming tiresome, I'll keep it brief. You claimed it was "impossible" for my friends to not notice a loss of sexual sensation when circumcised. I asked you to provide evidence that this was impossible. You then tried to dodge the question by attempting to get me bogged down in comparisons between the foreskin and the clitoris, and then posted a study showing a possible association between difficulty orgasming and circumcision in a relatively small sample of Danish men, nothing remotely like your original claim. Now you're moving the goalposts by insisting that your claim is that a missing foreskin cannot provide "normal, undistorted" sensation, something I never claimed.
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Can anyone explain why South Korea has such a high rate of circumcision? Some estimate it's as high as 95% of young adults are cut.
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>>26478056

>Define these terms. They're totally meaningless to me.

The sensation a typical person would have in a body part if it were not missing, damaged, or diseased in some way that would affect its ability to perceive stimuli.

>Let's pretend I'm having this same conversation with someone in a female circumcision thread. Their obligation to produce actual evidence for their claims would be the same as yours.

So in your opinion the idea that clitoridectomy reduces sensation is unfounded?

>You're not a scientist, I see.

I suppose that depends on your definition of "scientist".

>The process is simple - one group of researchers asses the sexual satisfaction of the sample without knowing whether or not they are circumcised. A second group of researchers assess the details of the sample's circumcision without knowing anything about their sex lives. A third group of researchers then collates the data so that no bias is possible.

Just because a woman claims she is "sexually satisfied" does not mean she has the same feelings she would have if she had not been mutilated. A man missing his hand could report that he is "very satisfied" with his ability to function in daily life. That doesn't mean the loss of his hand had no effect on his hand sensation.

>A controlled trail would be impossible, as you would know if you knew what these terms actually meant.

Double blind:

>pertaining to an experiment in which neither the subject nor the person administering treatment knows which treatment any particular subject is receiving.

Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. (c) 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
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>>26478105

I'll go so far as to say I overlooked that you said "noticeable" loss of sensation.

Nevertheless I doubt your friends' testimonies. I'm more inclined that they do notice a loss of sensation but either deny the loss as a coping mechanism or derive some pleasure from being circumcised for whatever reason that, to them, outweighs the sensation loss.

I'm not your friends so I can't know for sure.
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>>26478166
See my previous post. Once you've addressed my actual point I'm happy to get into what "double-blind" means in different contexts.
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>>26478136

American influence.

The circumcision rate in South Korea is falling, most likely due to more information available about the downsides of the procedure.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23227923
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>>26478185
Keep in mind a lot of these people were circumcised (unethically) due to phmosis. The lack of pain could be what they are mistaking for the lack of sensitivity decrease.
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>>26478194

>This is not the overwhelming damage to their sex life I was lead to believe I would see.

Circumcision removes what has been described in the British Journal of Urology as "primary, erogenous tissue necessary for normal sexual function" (Cold and Taylor, 1999). Some men may be better able to psychologically cope with this loss than others. Some circumcised men in this very thread report being unable to enjoy sex or masturbation to the point where they're considering suicide over it.

>It's not much of a study to justify all this hysteria, frankly.

Some men are very angry that they are missing a very sensual part of their penis. I don't think they're wrong to feel that way.
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>they're considering suicide over it.
Circumcision triggered a very real identity crisis for me. I consider it to be one of the worst things in my life and I live in Iran so its not like its my only issue in life.
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>>26478185
> I'm not your friends so I can't know for sure.

Would have been a much better response than:

> That's physiologically impossible.

Instead, you wasted an hour of my time picking through layers and layers of logical fallacies, rhetorical handwaving, and total bullshit. These tactics will never convince anyone with any power to do anything about the problems you have - for all your education on the subject, you cannot convince anyone with even a modicum of reason on the matter. Regardless of how circumcision does or does not affect men, it's histrionic demagogues like you that bring shame on entire movements. I hope you're ashamed of yourself.
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>>26478254

When I said "I don't know for sure", what I meant was that I don't know whether your friends are lying to themselves and you about whether they "don't notice" a loss of sensation, or whether they derive enough enjoyment out of being circumcised that they somehow really don't notice the objective loss of sensitivity they would have to have.

I already said that I overlooked the "noticeable" part of your post. It's physiologically impossible for them to have the same sensation they had when they had their foreskins. I stand by that statement.

Maybe it doesn't bother them. Maybe they really haven't noticed it.

But it's physiologically impossible for them to be able to feel same in the parts of their penis that they had cut off.

>Instead, you wasted an hour of my time picking through layers and layers of logical fallacies, rhetorical handwaving, and total bullshit. These tactics will never convince anyone with any power to do anything about the problems you have - for all your education on the subject, you cannot convince anyone with even a modicum of reason on the matter. Regardless of how circumcision does or does not affect men, it's histrionic demagogues like you that bring shame on entire movements. I hope you're ashamed of yourself.

I'm not ashamed, and I'm not histrionic.

You cannot have normal sensation in tissues that have been amputated. Period.

Your friends might possibly not have consciously "noticed" a loss of sensation, but there is a loss of sensation. You cannot lose tissue and have normal sensation in that tissue anymore. Ever.
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>>26478250

The Royal Dutch Medical Association notes that panic attacks are an especially common psychological side effect of circumcision.
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>>26478250

Out of curiosity, do you have any familiarity with the (dangerous and certainly not recommended) practice of taqaandan?
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>>26477465
This. Of the people I know who were circumcised as adults, they all say it's much better after circumcision. I'm circumcised myself and sex is amazing, and I couldn't imagine ever wanting more sensation than I have now. This is just a retarded r9k meme so that losers can blame all their problems on some boogie man.
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>>26478356
Oddly this is the first I've heard of it. I live in Tehran though and most people here are college and primary school graduates. The country is Incredibly different in the villages on the outskirts of the city and even more religious cites like meshad.
>>26478356
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>>26478543

>Of the people I know who were circumcised as adults, they all say it's much better after circumcision.

What do they say is better about it, and why were they circumcised?

>I'm circumcised myself and sex is amazing, and I couldn't imagine ever wanting more sensation than I have now.

That's good for you I guess, because you can't change your situation. But the foreskin includes the most sensual parts of the penis. It's more sensual than the glans, which is a protopathic structure primarily sensitive to irritation and pain.

I'm glad you can enjoy sex but I don't really understand where the physical pleasure is coming from unless you have some remnant of your frenular area left.

>This is just a retarded r9k meme so that losers can blame all their problems on some boogie man.

Would you say the same about women who were upset about having been cut?

There are also a lot of successful men who still greatly oppose circumcision, like Ben Affleck and also many doctors.
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>>26478546

Thanks for the info.

By the way if you ever have a son, would you consider not getting him cut?
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>>26478665
It depends if I'm in Iran or not. If I'm here it will be Incredibly hard to make it through the hospital, and in Tehran the mother can also choose to do it. Plus it will cause unwanted attention. It's a touchy, very complicated subject here that could even land you in jail by the rg.(doubt it but there's a chance)

If my work visa to the US finally goes through then fuck no, I'm not going to mutilate him.
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Maybe we can get Bernie to fund foregen.
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>>26477871

The first guy seemed to have some serious anxieties about being intact and implies that his masturbation ability has been decreased to the extent he requires artificial lubricants (this is a major reason why people flip shit over female circumcision--the idea that it increases the risk women will need to use artificial lubricants).

He might subjectively experience his sensation as being "just different" instead of "worse". Objectively he has lost primary erogenous tissue he can never get back. His ability to perceive stimuli with his penis is diminished, because parts of his penis that were richly innervated are now missing. His psychological pleasure at being circumcised might outweigh that for him personally but it doesn't for everyone else.

The second link you provided has a part where the guy says that basically all the pleasurable sensations he feels come from the foreskin, not the glans, and that's why he chose NOT to get cut.

Quote:

>If I just lightly touch the glans I barely feel anything, compared to the foreskin. Only when I apply some pressure do I get a pain like poking an eye. I'm so glad I didn't get circumcised. The foreskin has nearly all the sensation compared to the glans.

This squares neatly with the histological facts. The foreskin, no the glans, is where most of the complex sensory end organs are. The glans is primarily innervated with pain receptors and is naturally deficient in the kinds of nerve endings that produce the tingling sensations commonly associated with sexual pleasure.
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>>26478823
>The second link you provided has a part where the guy says that basically all the pleasurable sensations he feels come from the foreskin, not the glans, and that's why he chose NOT to get cut.
He has extreme phimosis though and sex is terrible for him.
I posted both because he's the one who asked the guy in the pic and first link further questions.

The quote in particular
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Hey I'm intact and id sell my foreskin for transplant to one of you fucks. Give me a bout a million and I'll do it. No joke.
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>>26478872

>He has extreme phimosis though and sex is terrible for him.

Well, he's fixing it without circumcision, so that's good for him.

>I posted both because he's the one who asked the guy in the pic and first link further questions.

I see.

Keratinization of the glans, if it actually occurs, is probably one of the least problematic physical consequences of circumcision. The glans is not the major pleasure center of the penis. It's protopathic.
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I'm cut and i'm from new zealand. how unlucky was I?
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>>26477091
>I'm cut and my dick works fine
Are you really incapable of understanding that all dicks aren't the same with the exact same nerve mapping, all circumcisions aren't exactly the same don't heal in the exact same way?

Or are you just trolling?
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lol , you are the weirdest of the weirdest .
this is how "no life" looks like .

as someone with autism , i glad am not like these retards here crying over foreskin.
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I was cut later in life and I felt it became more sensitive since it become "exposed" so to say
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>>26479306

Do you have any arguments other than bullshit personal attacks or nah?
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>>26479173

Circumcision is really rare in New Zealand. One of the major scientists who has devoted a lot of effort to studying the foreskin, Dr. Ken McGrath, I believe is from New Zealand.
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>>26477465
That's because they probably haven't had the head of their penis chafing against their underwear for at least 18 years. Years into the future they may experience this.
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Can I get a completely unbias answer from someone who restored?

I'm just doing it for the pleasure. All I want to be able to do is cum from a blowjob, because right now they don't feel like anything (even when the girl is incredibly skilled)

I've lost girlfriends because they couldn't make me cum because they feel like I'm not attracted to them, or they get frustrated that they can't please me (combination of both)

Circumcision has literally ruined not only my sex life, but also love life.

Anyway, back to the question, despite the fact most of the pleasure is in the frenium and rigid band, will I be able to cum from a simple blowjob restored?
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Is this a phimosis or circumcision thread?
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>>26480042

Mate, if you can't cum there's something else wrong with you.
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>>26476584
You poor, poor soul. I hope that you can at least fap properly
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>>26480130

Frisch et al found that circumcised men were more likely to have orgasm difficulties.
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>>26480130

I mean, I can cum, but I have to do it myself. Handjobs, blowjobs and sex never bring me to orgasm, which makes the girl feel like shit every time.

I need more sensation, hence why I'm asking.
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I have phimosis, how do I fix this?
I can pull back the foreskin back, but it stops after the smallest amount of gland is revealed.
What methods (like stretching) actually work?
Do topical creams work?
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>>26480325

I wouldn't get your hopes up for much improvement. I think a lot of the improvement some "restorers" claim to have had is psychosomatic. I can't prove that but it seems likely.

It doesn't give you back the tactile corpuscles that were in your ridged band.

The nerve endings in the glans are still there whether the glans is covered or not--but they're mostly pain receptors anyway. While circumcision might make the glans slightly less sensitive, I doubt that matters much. The glans is mostly sensitive to pain to begin with.

All we have to go on if whether glans re-covering truly improves penile sensation are anecdotal reports. Some say it made an improvement. Some say it didn't help much.
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>>26480396

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18455770
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>>26480398

Appreciate the valuable feedback.
What about the "gliding" mechanism? Wouldn't the newly grown inner foreskin rolling back and forth over the glans provide enhanced pleasure? That's really what I'm banking on.

Also, need a restored anons point of view as well.
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>>26474811
>wakemeup.jpeg
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>>26480471

>What about the "gliding" mechanism? Wouldn't the newly grown inner foreskin rolling back and forth over the glans provide enhanced pleasure?

It's possible I suppose. There's not much data on it, but it seems plausible at least that that could help make the sensation sort of better (but again it really wouldn't be anything like a real foreskin--but maybe the more natural movement of the "fauxskin" could help at least somewhat). However I wouldn't put too much faith in it.

you'd most likely want to consult with a doctor who knows about restoration before trying it out, and taking his advice very seriously. The DTR web site makes it very clear that they take no responsibility for any damage to the penis their device may cause, even if you use it according to the instructions.

Good luck
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>>26480539

Thanks for your time and input, anon.
Best wishes.
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I've never understood why people do this. its not as if "restoring" it will return any sensitivity or fix the perminately dried out glands. also that skin was stretched long to begin with now that you're further stretching it your erect penis probably looks veiny and ugly as fuck.

congratulations of breaking your penis
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>>26474132
Kike detected
Back2Israel
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>>26480674

maby apologies for bad english btw, i am froming jewish ancestors xD
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Circumcision is fucked up i dont understand why you non-jew americans do it? Why did you let smegmastein convince you?
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>>26480956
because the jews lied how it reduces the risk of STDs and it is healthier and the ameriburgers believed it
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>>26480956

>Circumcision is fucked up i dont understand why you non-jew americans do it?

http://www.circumstitions.com/Stitions&refs.html

This is an ever-growing list of the excuses people give for it.
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Can just tugging it really make it better?
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>>26480130
nope. lack of sensation literally causes anorgasmia
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>>26475083
Jesus fucking christ. You're so butthurt from my post that you went and ACTUALLY SEARCHED FOR PICTURES OF A DOGS DICK BEING CIRCUMCISED. HOLY FUUCKING SHIT LMAO.

My point is, my cock is circumcised and I do not give a fuck about it at all. It has not affected my confidence, my happiness, and women have all loved it. You guys need to take a step outside of your body and look at yourself and how silly it is to get so worked up about something so minor. It is nowhere near as bad as say, cutting off the clitoris like they do in various parts of Africa and in some Muslim areas.

You literally didn't even give a fuck about being circumcised like I don't give a fuck, until you read about some European goat fuckers going "Oy m8 its so sensitive! Me lady goat here loves it loik i do!!"

And no, I'm not a pro-circumcision jew. I am against circumcisions! And I am against giving a fuck about something which you had no control over when you were born. You guys need to look at yourself and compare this "problem" with other problems in the world to put it in perspective.
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>>26481765

I mostly agree with your post except I don't see how cutting the clit is any worse
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>>26481765

>compare this "problem" with other
problems in the world to put it in perspective.

Not him, but I don't give a shit about the world or its problems. The only thing that matters is myself and one of the most important aspect of humanity that was taken from me.

I will never get over it.
But I'm happy it doesn't affect you nearly as much as it does me. To each their own.
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>>26481765

>It is nowhere near as bad as say, cutting off the clitoris like they do in various parts of Africa and in some Muslim areas.

Why? Millions of women have had their clitorises cut off and a lot of them say they're perfeclty fine. Others are really upset about it.

You have no hard evidence that the clitoris is more important to female sexuality than the foreskin is to male sexuality. To my knowledge no such evidence exists.

The foreskin is primary erogenous tissue. It includes the most sensual parts of the penis.

The fact that you think it's worse less than a clitoris is your opinion. Not a fact.
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>>26480325

Are you me? This is what keeps happening to me. Circumcision literally ruined my fucking life. But people think I'm fucking crazy for saying that. But there's some truth to it! It really did ruin my fucking sex life, and that's a huge part of what makes a person happy.
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>tfw I have phimosis
please don't do it and keep your lucky penis
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>>26482325

It's comforting to know I'm not alone.
I hope it's somewhat comforting to you too, anon.
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>>26482357

You know you don't need to get circumcised to fix phimosis, right?

There are tons of other options.
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>>26474625
what the shit is t-taping. you sound like you have a stutter
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>>26482325
>>26482403

You guys are far from alone. See the videos in >>26477651

The big lie is that the seat of male pleasure is the glans and the foreskin is at best a protective covering for the glans.

This isn't the case. The histology confirms that the foreskin tissues like the delta and band themselves are specialized erogenous zones.
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>>26480413
Thanks but that only answers by topical cream question but, what method do I use?
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I think they mean the impact it's had on their sex lives i.e. not being able to cum from bjs/sex. I'm in the same boat... the girl feels like absolute shit when she can't get her man to cum... and it's really discouraging when you see her trying.

I've lost about 2 relationships and 3 fwbs for that reason. It was just too frustrating and demoralizing for the woman.
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>>26482602

Ideally you would want to consult a foreskin-friendly doctor about your particular case.

There is a list of them in the US here: http://www.thewholenetwork.org/intact-friendly-doctors

Not 100% sure how reliable this list is, but it's something.
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>>26481805
>>26481891
Are you retarded? Having the clit cut off is like having the head of your dick cut off. It's the most sensitive part of the vagina.

Circumcision is more comparable to labiaplasty.
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>>26482902

Sorry anon, but you got about 5 other people contrasting your opinion. You're wrong, let it go.

8/10 troll though
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>>26473974
I've been restoring for about as long as you.

Manual tugging pretty much daily. Every time I fap, pretty much every time I'm hard and alone in my own home as well.

Flaccid, i have full coverage. Sensitivity has increased so much. It's like I have finally taken off a condom that I've been wearing forever. Seriously, it's that much of a difference.

When my exposed glans rubs up against my underwear, it actually feels really sharp and uncomfortable. Before, that was the norm. I had nothing covering it and it had no sensitivity whatsoever.

Fapping feels so much nicer as well
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>>26483195

Rate the following:

Handjobs:
Before/After

Blowjobs
Before/After

Sex
Before/After

If you'd be so kind.
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>>26482902

>Are you retarded?

Great way to start off, well done! No, I'm not. How about you?

>Having the clit cut off is like having the head of your dick cut off.

Not exactly, no. The clitoris is homologous to the glans but they're different in function, size, and innervation.

>It's the most sensitive part of the vagina.

First off, the clitoris isn't part of the vagina. It's part of the vulva.

Second, ow do you know it's the most sensitive part of a woman's vulva? Where is the published evidence that it's more sensitive than the clitoral hood, or some other part of the vulva? To my knowledge there isn't any. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it's the most sensitive part, if you want to make that claim.

The head of the dick (i.e. the glans penis) is not the most sensitive part of the penis, though. Not by a longshot. This is already known.

The male glans is protopathic, with a high fine touch pressure threshold and a low level of tactile sensation. It is heavily innervated with FNEs in both regular and encapsulated forms with a very low concentration of complex sensory end organs.
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>>26483260
>hand
Before it was probably a 4 and now it's a 7. It's not amazing but if I edge for a while it's easily a 10.

no blowies for me, i'm a good boy.
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>>26482670

holy shit, if this is what I have to look forward to if I ever get into a relationship, then I might as well kill myself now. Every sexual experience I've had has been awkward and unpleasant. I never felt anything when I got bj's and handjobs, and those girls thought I was a weirdo and never talked to me again afterward. And the first time I tried to have sex with a condom, my dick totally betrayed me. It was totally dead. No sensation at all.

I ruined her first time and our entire relationship crumbled to the ground after that. She hates me now and I haven't had sex since then. It was two years ago. It's given me insane anxiety about the next time I get with a woman. I'm afraid I'll blow it again and that'll be my last chance.
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>>26483342

Fair enough, thanks anon.
Are you going to keep restoring, or are you done?
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>>26483332

>tactile sensation

I meant to say "tactile corpuscles". Excuse the error.

Some men find the glans to be very sensitive to noxious tactile stimuli like scraping due to the heavy innervation of the glans with nocioceptors.
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>>26483371

I'm that anon, I'm thinking about killing myself too. Hopefully I'll reincarnate into a country that isn't retarded.
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>>26483195

Can you take a pic? I'm sorry if that sounds creepy, but I just want to see what I look like compared to you.
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>>26483379
I'm not done just yet. I have an uneven cut so I have to even it out (less skin bottom right, more top left) and that will take a bit of time.

I'm still bitter about being cut. I resent my parents for it and they won't apologize for it. Oh well, that ship has sailed. Best I can do is make sure my future sons will never be cut.

I'd highly recommend restoration to any cut man who feels robbed.
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>>26481765

You're totally ignoring the entirely reasonable complaints and anecdotal evidence in this thread that point to circumcision being a huge problem for some guys, myself included. I literally cannot cum during sex. This has destroyed two of my relationships, and it will probably destroy some more down the line. How is that not a big deal?
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>>26483472
In realizing that you have been deprived of something good, he must also come to the conclusion that he has been deprived of the same thing.

It's a hard thing to do.
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To all the guys that have lost entire relationships due to this, you have my huge sympathies. I'm in the same position.

This just further convinces me that restoring is the only answer. If nothing changes, I'm just going to kill myself.
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>>26483851

You really should consider talking to a knowledgeable doctor about restoring, before taking matters into your own hands. Maybe get in touch with Doctors Opposing Circumcision and ask if they have any recommendations.

No two circumcisions are exactly alike, so if you end up following advice that worked for one guy with a particular cut, it might not work for you as well as it worked for him if you got a different one.

Even some of the most famous restorers on the Internet (like the guy who started newforeskin.biz, a fairly early restoration site that's still online) explicitly say that there are some risks involved and you need to be really careful.
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>>26483909

I literally have nothing else to lose.
It's either restore, gain pleasure and have a healthy relationship.

Or restore, no change and have nothing to look forward to in life. In which case, yeah, death is better.

That said, there are no other alternatives for me
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>>26483851
What the fuck. Who has lost an entire relationship due to having a cut dick. Lmfao. I think a girl would leave a relationship if she saw that you were so insecure about your cock that you started regrowing its cock blanket.
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fuck tugging, i'm a kv at 20. maybe i'll try foregen when it comes out, otherwise i'm not going to bother with relationships. shouldnt be too hard, right robots?
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>>26483968
Maybe you should try not looking at porn, masturbating no more than once every seven days, and using some lotion instead of falling for Dr. Shekelstein's Dick Repair Shoppe?
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>>26484010
Yes, it is literally impossible to succeed with a woman if you have a cut dick. No man on the planet has ever done it. Girls, who by the ripe of 11 years old, suck the dicks of their family dog as they grow up become accustomed to seeing that silky blanket surrounding their favorite meaty popsicle. Then when they see a man with a cut cock, they say "Eww! Yucky, dry dick! I'd rather fuck a dog cock!" and immediately dump the man.
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>>26484024

None of that will make the frenulum or ridged band grow back.

Neither will tugging though.
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>>26484072

>Strawmanning this hard

The issue with these guys isn't that they think women will think their mutilated dicks are ugly.

The issue is they can't feel the physical pleasure of sex.
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>Jews and Americans rule the world
>Jews and Americans are circumcized
You wanna be a winner or no?
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everybody shut the fuck up and post some foreskin licking porn
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>>26484094
Yes, I myself with my cut dick, having thrusted it into a vagina without a condom a few times in my life, can say "My, it is as if my dick were not even there!" Completely erect, and eventually ejaculating, my mind wandered back to the experience and made me question: "Do I even have a cock? I did not feel a thing."

Rather, it is as if I an an alien impregnating a woman on this planet earth. I am not a man without a foreskin. I am a foreign creature, raping this ape-woman of the green and blue marble planet. Fully hard, and shooting out cum, is an amazing feat for an alien like myself. The legends say that the Earth man can onyl get hard and cum if he has sensation in his dick, but alas, that could not be the case for me, as Internet scientists reveal.

I collapse after sex in what I thought was some sort of post-sex ecstasy---but oh, how I was wrong. The internet scientists told me I have no sensation in my dick, so what I really felt after ejaculating into a vagina without a condom was this: complete and utter realization that I have no sensation in my dick and that the entire experience prior to this was but a fantasy in my mind, generated out of a desire to have foreskin.

I look down at my cock right at this very moment, and see a sadness in his lips. He feel nothing, just as my soul feels nothing as I contemplate the complete and utter destitution of being born without a foreskin. "Numb" I get tattooed into my cut dick, because I can't even feel it, so why not? As I type this post, I listen to "Numb" by Linkin Park, which sums up how i feel in my life on this planet earth without a foreskin.

Today will be the day that I die. Valentines day. I cannot live on this planet earth any longer without foreskin.
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>>26484211

Just because you claim you can feel sex well enough doesn't mean that everyone else in this thread can.

Objectively speaking, you're missing some of your primary erogenous tissue. If you can cope with that somehow and still feel sex with whatever you have left, and the sensation is good enough to please you, bully for you.

That doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat. No two circumcisions are exactly alike. "Circumcision" is a vaguely-defined procedure involving the removal of some or all of the foreskin in varying styles. Some circumcisions remove all the frenulum and frenular delta. Some leave some portion of it. Some of them only remove the part of the foreskin that extended past the glans with the penis in its flaccid state (this damages the ridged band). Some of them involve removing basically all the inner foreskin and sewing the shaft skin to the glans, like pic related.

Your own experience with male genital mutilation isn't going to be precisely the same as everyone else's experience
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ITT: americucks problems
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>>26484426
im not even from america, im from new zealand
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>>26484768
Why are you cut?
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>>26484821
I'm from U.K. and had phimosis. That's the only real reason to get cut, and just found out it isn't even necessary ;_;
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>>26484891
Do you have hair on your dick now as a result?
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>>26484821
my dad was cut and i guess his side of the family was cut. i got really fucked
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>>26473974

suicidal helium tank trap seizure medically untreated anon who can die at any time, is that you
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>>26484966
How depressed are you, anon?
And why have you not started restoring?
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>>26485253
i just hope foregen comes along one day and makes everything better, otherwise im just not ever gonna try with a girl. i dont masturbate anymore, its only getting easier and easier t b h.
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>>26484948
>Do you have hair on your dick now as a result?
Wait, what? I thought everyone had this, I didn't know it was because of circumcision. IM GOING TO FUCKING MURDER SOMEONE
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>>26485320

Hair growing on the penis can be caused if they did the circumcision tight.

Since in such cases there's not enough skin to adequately cover the penile shaft, hairy skin from the scrotum gets pulled up to the shaft to compensate.

Some intact guys do seem to have a little hair right at the base of their penis, but this usually can just be slid back toward the scrotum area. If you have a tight cut, you don't really have anything to slide...so your hairy scrotal skin is basically stuck riding up your dick shaft.

It can get annoying for a lot of men. Some take to shaving their penis as a regular thing to kind of minimize the issue.
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>>26485464
It's not fair anon, it's just not fair.
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>>26485551

I hear you, man. I'm sorry.

You could try shaving your penis. It's not quite as bad as it sounds. Take a nice hot shower, lather up (you need to use a REALLY gentle foam for penis shaving--I'd recommend unscented glycerin soap) and shave it carefully.

There'll be some irritation for a day or so but afterwards it'll feel a lot better. If you start doing it regularly the irritation eventually goes away.
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I just got started using the TLC tugger in September and at this point I'm able to keep the device in place all day while at work. And sitting or standing.

My glans have gotten more sensitive and the area around where the frenulum is supposed to connect is a lot more pleasurable than it ever has been.

The first time I had sex after starting tugging was significantly better. And the sensitivity on the glans feels really nice, especially with a tongue on it. I used to hate blowjobs and now they're pleasant. Still never had an orgasm from oral though.
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Op here.

Holy crap, I thought all men had to do this. You're a godsend anon. Thank you so much for spreading this information. Barely any cut guys know this stuff. We're all walking around thinking our dicks and our sexual experiences are normal, but they're not. They're incredibly fucked up. I wish I could tell more people about this, but my social anxiety makes it very difficult. People would just think I am even weirder than they previously thought.
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>>26485836

Meant to quote>>26485648

this comment is original
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>>26485801

Do you cum easily/quickly from restored sex?
And for blowjobs, if it feels pleasurable, why haven't you cum? Is she not good?
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>>26485320
Laughed my fucking ass off at this
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>>26485891
No I don't cum any faster, it just feels better, more intense. Kinda hard to describe honestly.

For blowjobs I've had at least 8 people give it their all, and each one of them either gets tired or I get bored before I get close to orgasm. One girl was a trooper and sucked me for a good 20 minutes I think, and this was a few weeks into my restoration regimen.

Honestly I am just upset that I have hair growth on my dick. I thought that was normal, but the tugging makes it seem like hair will keep growing where I want the skin to cover. I've heard of follicle removal surgery but I don't know how viable an option that is.
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>>26486034

So, before restoring, you were NEVER close to reaching orgasm from oral?
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>>26486345
Never. It was okay, but I think for me I need to be able to move my hips to get off, and during oral sex I'm so thick that I either scrape teeth or I start choking most women. Other times I'm just not into it. I've never once had an orgasm from oral sex. Only vaginal and masturbation.
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>>26474132
>because those are the cocks that women learn to be the norm due to the porn industry
do people not realize this is intentional satire?
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>>26486405

Thanks anon, you were helpful.
I literally feel nothing from blowjobs.
So your story is nice motivation.
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>>26486492
I don't even like bj porn scenes, but I love the intent behind them.
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>>26482679
I'm in the UK
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>>26487372
There's a medical procedure called a preputioplasty that can reduce the tightness of your foreskin and allow it to retract. It doesn't remove any of your foreskin. Alternatively, you can ask any doctor for some form of steroid creams/stretching exercises. Thank fuck for free healthcare.
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I've been using this device for a while now. No idea how much skin I've grown, but I know I have made some progress. And yes my dick is hairy as fuck and I too thought that was normal
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>>26488735

Any noticeable changes?
What caused you to restore in the first place?

Please be detailed.
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>>26488815

I think a little more skin has grown. The process is so slow. I bought this thing in 2014, but I've never managed to get a routine going. Sometimes I wear it during the day and it's fine. At night though, when I get a boner in my sleep it hurts and I wake up. But I do notice more of a gliding sensation when jacking off. That's nice.
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>>26473974
NOPE

Not going get loose saggy cuck skin.

My penis is now a superior rape implement and I intend to enjoy it.
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>>26488815

Second post.

I've had three bj's in my life and all of them were terrible. No feeling. It's a mixture of porn addiction, masturbating too often, and having a cut dick. Now the cut dick part is the one I'm most interested in, of course. I think it's the real problem. My dick should never go numb and then go flaccid, even though I'm still aroused. My brain is horny as fuck, but my dick won't comply. Takes a huge amount of effort to cum when I get a blowjob.
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>>26489322

Completely like me.
From testimonies in this thread, even a partially restored foreskin that covers part of the glans gives blowjobs sensations... because I'm the same, I don't feel anything, which sucks.

The trick with foreskin restoration is that you HAVE to keep a routine. Example.

If you stretch 20x over the course of a month, that'll be more effective than stretching 20x over the course of a year. Still 20x, but not consecutive. Also, stretching 24/7 is, from I'm gathering, a bad idea... the skin needs at least 8 hours of rest to heal before your next session.
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>thread about cut/uncut/foreskin
>250+ replies

jesus fuck why does this trigger people so much? if anything its better that im less sensitive and cut because i wont prematurely ejaculate and look like an autistic loser
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>>26489469
>i wont prematurely ejaculate and look like an autistic loser

Don't worry, anon!
you're an autistic loser in a lot of other ways :^)
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Okay! So, I'm only using the tlc-x, but I'm ONLY using the pusher rod, 8-12 hours/day... no dangly weights or straps or anything. Would that still work? Or is weights a necessity too?
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>>26477649
>You need an actual study of men circumcised as adults, not a discussion of the anatomy of the foreskin.

Pic

>The complexity of the foreskin is irrelevant to the question at hand if, say, the brain can compensate for its loss.

Yeah, just like higher finger sensitivity can compensate for being blind.
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I was born into a jewish family and had this done to me when I was 8 days old in front of my entire family. At my bris there was music, fancy suits, drinks, orderves, and excruciating pain. I also went to my cousin's bris when I was 9. Watching it happen, seeing him squirm and hearing him scream as the adults looked on in admiration, so proud of themselves for obeying god's will, changed my life and the view of my heritage forever. Abrahamic faith; NOT EVEN ONCE


>>26477914
Thank you for donating. Seriously thank you for taking stept to improve our lives.

>>26477856
Jesus christ are you me? I've been thinking the same things and I come from a jewish family so it's especially taboo to bring up. All we can do for now is donate money, work at organized protest events, and try and educate people who are willing to listen.

>>26478136
It's actually a very interesting if not sad story. After the Korean War in the 50's, NATO forces (composed primarily of American resources) rolled into the newly established South Korea and began to rebuild from the rubble. In doing so they created new hospitals and traines South Korean doctors in advanced western medicine which is great, except for the fact that they instilled in them the practice of standard genital mutilation along with all of the actually other useful things as well. Since then it's remained and has one of the highest rates of MGM in the world today.

>>26480956
>>26480972
>>26480979
Unfortunately it wasn't just us Jews, there was also this psychotic puritain bastard who managed to make it stick in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

>>26483391
I've experienced this. It's because the nerve endings in the glans generally are mostly geared towards sensing pain.

>>26484891
Fuck man, in some ways I'd imagine that knowing what a natural penis is like and having that taken away is worse than never having one since birth. Hope you can heal and move on.
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>>26491362

great post my Jewish brother. I am only half Jewish, but that half apparently held more sway than my catholic half, and there was a grand celebration dedicated to mutilating my penis. Great food. Free drinks. Of course I had none of it, because I was busy getting my dick ruined and my fragile infant brain traumatized. I can't speak to my parents about this. They're clueless.
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>>26480042

it will make an huge difference

you literally have nothing to lose
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>>26493124
I know that feeling and it's horrible. If you do work up the courage to talk about it, I recommend approaching it by sending them an email or something, with a short non-confrontational explanation of what's bothering you, along with a few good links to unbiased empirical research. Here are some good links if you need some piece of mind. Knowing that there are people out there, especially other Jews like us who've realized the error of their ways, is somewhat comforting. If you can remember that you are not alone in this pain, find like-minded individuals, and work with other people to end this, it's very very helpful.

http://www.foregen.org/
http://www.foregen.org/human_foreskin
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x/abstract
http://www.mdjunction.com/circumcision
http://www.norm.org/
http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Circumcision/support-group
http://www.beyondthebris.com/
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/
http://www.circumcision.org/3614NewsRelease.htm#
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6122a2.htm
http://www.intactamerica.org/german_pediatrics_statement
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896.full.pdf+html
http://intaction.org/
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-pediatric-association-calls-for-end-to-circumcision-related-rite/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/549824750/pigs-without-blankets-the-documentary
http://www.arclaw.org/

Luckily due to other medical problems my parents have fucked up on and screwed me over with, they are more willing to listen and realize their mistakes now. Over time I've successfully redpilled them on this and we're looking for a way to move forward, and potentially repair the damage done, once the stem-cell treatments come out.
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>tfw you have a full foreskin, completely intact, because you're European and didn't let Shekelstein convince you or your parents otherwise.

God, looking at all these dried out glans....how do you stand it? My god, the thought of having a dry glans actually makes me physically wince.
I practically get all my pleasure from my foreskin anyway.

Unfortunately, I have mild phimosis, but I'd much rather have that than be cut.
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>>26494555
>Unfortunately, I have mild phimosis

If you go to a foreskin-friendly doctor, they can give you special creams/ medications and stretching advice to help alleviate that. Don't fall for the "cutting is the only solution" meme.

t. from-birth cutfag knower who doesn't want others to suffer
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>>26494134

>you literally have nothing to lose

Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

Glans re-covering isn't entirely risk-free. Nothing is.

>I can't recommend that others do the same as everyone is different and everyone reacts differently. What was safe, comfortable and effective for me may not be for someone else. I do not take responsibility for the actions of others, and warn that serious injury to the penis and/or foreskin could result from undertaking a foreskin restoration.

http://newforeskin.biz/members/framesetMain.htm

I really wouldn't recommend trying it without consulting a doctor who knows about it first. It's better to be prudent.
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>>26473974
Do you ever pull on it so hard you rip the skin?
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>>26473974
dude wtf is your problem why do you care so much it really isnt that big of a deal
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>All these people saying they can't orgasm because they got cut
That's a mental problem on your part. If you can jack off, you can get off with a cunt. The problem is that you're an insecure faggot, which is likely why you're talking about your foreskin like it's the biggest goddamn deal ever.

I got cut later in life, and let me tell you that it wasn't a problem. My dick didn't turn into the sahara desert and sex feels the same as it ever did.

You're all basically faggots trying to blame your psychosomatic issues on some ritual scarification.
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>>26496675

>That's a mental problem on your part. If you can jack off, you can get off with a cunt. The problem is that you're an insecure faggot, which is likely why you're talking about your foreskin like it's the biggest goddamn deal ever.

Source?

>I got cut later in life, and let me tell you that it wasn't a problem. My dick didn't turn into the sahara desert and sex feels the same as it ever did.

How is that possible when you don't have a ridged band or frenulum anymore? Objective histological analysis has proven that the ridged band is full of tactile corpuscles. Tactile corpuscles are erogenous and feel good.

>You're all basically faggots trying to blame your psychosomatic issues on some ritual scarification.

Would you say that to a girl who had her clit cut off?
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>>26496733
>How is that possible when you don't have a ridged band or frenulum anymore?
Gee, I don't know, I'm not a neurologist and I've never had my dick examined for science. Maybe I'm some freaky mutant who has extra nerves in his dick? But it feels the same: *Very good*.
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>>26496800

I don't believe you.

There is literally no other body part you could cut off and have it feel the same. That's not a thing with your fingers, or any part of a woman's body, or your nipples, or your teeth, or your toes

And yet you expect me to believe that the most sensitive part of the penis getting cut off didn't affect your sensation during sex?

Not buying it.
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>>26496838
You can disbelieve it if you want to, but it doesn't change anything. Sex still feels great to me, and for some reason it doesn't feel great to other guys in similar situations. I would blame the typical, critical lack of self-esteem of the common robot over skin.
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>>26496838
Stay in denial you delusional cuck. Might as well just kill yourself because you will never know or replicate the sensation of having a useful and pleasurable dick.
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>>26496912

>I would blame the typical, critical lack of self-esteem of the common robot over skin.

The foreskin isn't just "skin". It's a sex organ.
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>>26496990
Sure, okay. I suppose the average American male simply does not have orgasms and has had his sexual appetite supremely curbed by the lack of sensation.

Your problems are your own. Nobody did that to you.
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>>26497053

>The prepuce is a specialized, specific erogenous tissue in both males and females. Therefore, surgical excision should be restricted to lesions that are unresponsive to medical therapy, such as lichen sclerosis of the penis (balanitis xerotica obliterans) or vulva, which is unresponsive to other therapies (e.g. topical clobetasol, intralesional corticosteroids, topical testosterone propionate ointment, etretinate, and carbon dioxide or laser vaporization) [99]. Preputial plasty [100] should be considered in place of circumcision whenever possible, so as to preserve the corpuscular sensory receptors, dartos muscle, penile mucosa and complete function of the penis, while avoiding abnormal exposure and keratinization of the glans penis. Although some cultures celebrate the abnormal anatomy caused by circumcision, many women [101,102] and men [103] have reported this abnormal penile/clitoral exposure to be uncomfortable. The male prepuce contains the vast majority of the penile dartos muscle that cannot be regenerated after circumcision. The preputial mucosa and outer epithelium provides adequate epithelial coverage of the erect penis.

>The loss of the prepuce ridged band and the formation of an amputation neuroma are two further complications associated with male circumcision. Although a Fourcroy grade 1 female circumcision would excise less tissue than in a male, this comparison cannot be used to justify female circumcision. Excision of normal, erogenous genital tissue from healthy male or female children cannot be condoned, as the histology confirms that the external genitalia are specialized sensory tissues.

Cold, CJ. Taylor, JR. "The Prepuce".

British Journal of Urology, Volume 83, Suppl. 1: Pages 34-44, January 1999.
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>>26497053

Also, strawman.

Removing the primary erogenous tissue doesn't normally eliminate the appetite for sex. Nobody claimed it did.

Himba women are some of the most sexually liberal women in the world. They have tons of sex, and they've all had their clits cut off.

Doesn't mean they're not mutilated. Doesn't mean they don't have diminished sexual sensation. Doesn't mean that it's not wrong what was done to them.
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>>26497224
All that shit does not reduce the sensation of my penis, nor the penises of the average American male. Hell, over-sensitivity is such a common problem that they sell numbing agents for dudes so they can last longer.

Your problems are your own, and all you've done is found a devil to blame them on.
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>>26497325

>All that shit does not reduce the sensation of my penis, nor the penises of the average American male.

Yes it does.

>The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

>Your problems are your own, and all you've done is found a devil to blame them on.

Ad hominem bullshit. You don't even know whether I'm circumcised.
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Crab bucket mentality is the robot tradition it seems.
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>>26477681
>>26477776

i want lgbt faggots to leave.
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>>26483999
>this

comment is original i guess
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why the fuck are y'all saying the foreskin is the most sexually sensitive?

i get that is has nerve endings, but the glans are the most sensitive.

there's no doubt.

sex/oral with an intact penis isn't based around the foreskin, ya retards.
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>>26498083

>i get that is has nerve endings, but the glans are the most sensitive.

The glans is primarily sensitive to pain and irritation, not pleasurable sensations.

As noted by Drs. Cold and Taylor

>The glans penis is primarily innervated by free nerve endings and has primarily protopathic sensitivity [43]. Protopathic sensitivity refers to cruder, poorly localized feelings (including pain, some temperature sensations and certain perceptions of mechanical contact) [44]. In the glans penis, encapsulated end-organs are sparse, and found mainly along the glans corona and the frenulum [43]. The only portion of the body with less fine-touch discrimination than the glans penis is the heel of the foot [45].

>In contrast, the male prepuce ridged band (Fig. 7) at the mucocutaneous junction has a high concentration of encapsulated receptors [46]. The innervation difference between the protopathic sensitivity of the glans penis and the corpuscular receptor-rich ridged band of the prepuce is part of the normal complement of penile erogenous tissue.

The idea that the glans is the seat of male pleasure is a myth.

>sex/oral with an intact penis isn't based around the foreskin, ya retards.

Most of the feeling of an intact penis comes from the frenular area and the ridged band. The glans helps stimulate the foreskin and around the corona it might have some vaguely erogenous qualities, but in sensory terms it's nothing compared to the foreskin tissues.

The glans is loaded with FNEs. FNEs sense pain, not pleasure.
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>>26498169

Link to full review

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf
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Why are men so obsessed with their foreskin? What the fuck? As a girl, I don't really care. This thread is full of people who are:

>Vigorously defending why its important to have foreskin, quoting scientific articles, etc.
>Being insecure about not having foreskin

If you do either of these things...thats just really weird.
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>>26498284

>Why are men so obsessed with their foreskin?

Why are women so obsessed with their clitoris?

>If you do either of these things...thats just really weird.

Oh, so it's okay for women to learn about their bodies, but men should stay ignorant?
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>>26498314
You sound very insecure. That is what is being leveraged against you. What have you to say about being insecure?
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>>26473974
Shitskins do the same thing to increase their length. It doesn't work.
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>>26498359

I'm not entertaining personal attacks.
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>>26498359
>>26498284
>can't think of a logical explanation as to why cutting off a natural body part is okay, yet stubbornly adverse to what society has brainwashed her to believe
>opponents respectfully offer empirical data to argue their point
>resorts to ad hominem

Go take a scalpel to your clitoral hood, the analogous and equally-innervated structure on the female body, watch your clit dry up and die as it's rubbed raw by your clothing, and then you will have a legitimate stance on an issue you fundamentally lack the anatomical experience to understand.
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>>26498169
frenulum is different than foreskin (i understand that aggressive circumcisions remove it and normal ones lessen its sensitivity) but if i'm giving oral sex, i focus on the frenulum..not the foreskin.
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>>26498359
You sound very retarted. That is what's being leveraged against you. What do have to say about being retarted?
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Is there any link between circumcision and masturbation addiction?
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>>26499876

The frenulum is generally considered part of the foreskin. The frenular delta (which strictly speaking is not the frenulum, but an associated structure) is part of the foreskin too.
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Holy fuck hey trombone.
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You had the best part of your dick cut off, the male equivalent of a clitoris. No matter how much stretching you do, you can never bring it back.

http://www.can-fap.net/preview/fundraiser_preview_fremintro.shtml
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>>26501049
then why do cut men still have a frenulum?
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>>26503028

>then why do cut men still have a frenulum?

Some of them do. Some of them don't. "Circumcision" isn't just one thing, and various styles of circumcision remove or spare varying amounts and types of tissue.
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>>26478652
idk how but i was cut pretty tight and sex still feels awesome and anymore pleasure would probably make me ejaculate to early every time
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>>26503260

I'm glad you can still enjoy sex, but I doubt you'd struggle with premature ejaculation if you'd been left intact.

There isn't any strong evidence that guys with foreskins are more likely to suffer from PE. More/a greater variety of sensations doesn't necessarily mean you'll come quicker.
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>cut
>there are these tiny lump things on the circumcision scar near the top
>if I pressure and squeeze them with my nail white stuff like pus or something comes out

What the fuck are these? The stuff seems to grow back too and I have no idea what it is or if other people have it.
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>>26503614

We can't really even begin to speculate on what it might be without a picture. You could post a picture and we can take a look and try to figure it out, but you'd be better served to ask a doctor about it.

>if I pressure and squeeze them with my nail...

I really would recommend you not do this.
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>>26503725

It is only noticeable if I stretch the foreskin out across my thumb or something, I don't know how to describe it better than how I did.

I've never had sexual contact with anyone so I am pretty positive it can't be an STD, I want to say they are nerve endings or something from the circumcision but I really can't tell.
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>>26496675
How long is "later in life"? The reduction in sensitivity isn't necessarily instant. It comes from the chafing between the head of the penis and underwear, which causes keratinisation (this why a lot of cut people can touch the head of their penis and feel nothing), this combined with the loss of foreskin and a circumcision scar is what causes the loss of sensitivity.
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>>26503778

If it's worrying you at all, I'd recommend seeing a doctor more than anything else.

The formation of small benign nerve tumors at the circumcision scar can happen as a complication of circumcision, but I don't know if what you describe sounds like that, or whether it's something else.

Best get a professional medical opinion on it from a doctor who knows his dicks.
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Can't believe a picture of my dried out, flaccid cock got over 300 replies. I'm glad though. A lot of confusion was cleared up today, and a great deal of knowledge dispensed. I can only speak for myself, but I am eager to spread what I learned today amongst people I know and trust, but I don't expect a very warm reception, to be honest. Most people don't like talking about penises, unfortunately.
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>>26505048
kill yourself cutfag
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>>26474625
dude, fucking stop. your dick looks a chode and your glans looks dryer than the atacama desert
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Fembot here. Dog dicks are disgusting - I would never go down on one or let a guy with one fuck me. Circumcised is 100% better, don't let these anons try to tell you otherwise.
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>>26494708
I'm seeing my doctor this week to talk about my phimosis. I've stretched for a while but I really want the cream... what happens if the doctor tells me no? Virgin btw so never tried sex.
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>Letting doctors mutilate your children

Seriously what the fuck
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>>26505048
good for you keeping an open mind
>>26505106
fuck you, it's not our fault we are mutilated, you think that those of us who fully understand the damage want to live like this?

>>26507567
>what happens if the doctor tells me no?
Then fuck him, you go to someone else who's actually competent, and do research to find a foreskin-friendly doctor in your area. There is absolutely no reason to have any tissue cut off. Oddly, if there is an infection or problem with any other body part, doctors will treat it and help to heal it. For some reason foreskin is not held to the same appropriate standard as a necessary body part.

>>26507630
there's a reason why America and the middle east are fucked up places
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>>26489469
>i wont prematurely ejaculate

Not true, see >>26490336
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