>you will never be a US citizen
I just want to leave western Europe and settle down in a beautiful northern/miwestern city. I don't even care about what job I'd have to get, I just want to be comfy in Maine or Nebraska, man. Why is it so hard?
You Americans don't realize how lucky you are to live in that country.
As a Brit, iktf.
Leftists try to paint the US as being literally Nazi Germany where you get shot three times on the way to the movies, and then get charged four billion pounds for a grazed knee.
As long as you live in a nice place, have a decent job, and aren't a moron with your finances, the US seems like a pretty great place to live.
>you will never be the towns crazy hermit in some backwater village
Yeah, that's right. Europe in general has a warped vision of the US and Americans. There are some shitty things about America, but the depiction most Europeans will give you of that country reeks of sour grapes.
I love it when people say >>America has no culture!!!1!
Then they listen to Taylor Swift, who is a country musician, which originated in the US. Shit, stuff like bluegrass and loads of other music has its roots in Appalachia and other regions of the US that people love and yet they still think that "American culture" has contributed nothing to the world.
The Constitution is fucking based as well.
Could be worse... you could be Canadian like me ;-;
>tfw the US is so close and yet so far
>tfw weed man is literally the head of your country
>tfw you pay ridiculous taxes for a shit healthcare system that's worse than even a basic insurance plan in the states.
When people say that they mean American culture is mostly driven by money, which is true.
For instance, there's a legend that's common in many cultures, the king in the mountain. Most cultures tell it about a king or legendary warrior who will one day come back to save their people. America has it too, it's just that you tell it about Walt Disney.
The grass is always greener. Many americans would strongly disagree that the canadian healthcare system is worse than the american one. In fact people just gave up making that argument long ago, nowadays they just say that what works elsewhere may not work in America.
>>tfw you pay ridiculous taxes for a shit healthcare system that's worse than even a basic insurance plan in the states.
WTF? Most americans complain about having to pay shitloads of money just to get most basic healthcare.
>leaving western europe for america
That's like downgrading from a personal jet plane to a tricycle to commute around.
About the only upside to America I can think of is that we still have freedom of speech to some extent. From what I've gathered if you even talk badly about immigrants or your government in Europe you'll be imprisoned for life.
America is a REALLY BIG place, something most Europeans don't get. Culture varies completely from place to place and so do laws.
Nebraska and Maine are both remote states with no major cities in them and little in the way of well paying jobs or a comfortable living.
Stay in Europe, your government and healthcare and economy isn't a failure, even if your society is.
>worst culture of all first world countries
>entierty of political aspects is dumbed down to 2 extremes
>shitty education system
>niggers & spics instead of muslims
Lol, no thanks.
>America is a REALLY BIG place
That's the selling point, though.
I have visited America several times, mostly when I was a kid, and I've always liked it, except California.
>save up money to immigrate
You can pay for a green card now? I thought you had to invest $1M+ (or 500k in a developing area). I'd be shoveling driveways for a few decades.
Now that I think about it, one of my hobbies that I'd like to have is to visit abandoned train stations and such. I'd probably find a lot of that if I moved to the US.
>All these people want to move to my country
Any qt grills want a greencard?
>wanting to live in DUDE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS LMAO
America is a nice place to live contrary to the other countries that suggest they're infinitely better. I'd only disagree with Nebraska on the grounds that the entire mid section of the united states is plagued with loads of tornados. You can get a few pretty good jobs here with just primary eduction (HS.)
Health insurance is pretty expense, and you get charged a small fee now if you don't have any. Obamacare isn't very good either. Education can be good or bad all the time depending on where you are.
If you really want to move I'd suggest asking your embassy to enlist in joining the US Military, serve for your four years and in between that you'll be fast-tracked to migrate. I'd advise studying up on US history too.
Where I live, it's basically another Germany.
Like the Rhine river valley. Our area is settled mostly by Germans, Dutch, and Italians. It's temperate with rolling hills and manor houses in the fields. Very small town, but also near some big cities.
Lot's of people here hate it, but it's damn comfy and I love it.
>enlist in joining the US Military
You can't do that as a foreigner anymore unless you use MAVNI. To do so, you either have to be a doctor (I'm not) or know a language that interests them (I don't).
Is this anon >>26461065 right?
>You Americans don't realize how lucky you are to live in that country.
Oh yes we do.
>TWO. LARGE. WORLD. OCEANS.
You will be so disappointed it's not even funny.
Want to buy groceries? Only Walmart.
Want to go out to eat? McDonald's or BK.
Want to buy a car? Either overpay for an American pile of garbage or drive 200 miles to the nearest city. Which you can't if you don't have a car.
Get used to the smell of cigarette smoke, cat piss and the sinking feeling you get when EVERYONE is covered head to toe in camo.
Bonus: the white people act just like niggers for the most part.
>Want to buy groceries?
You have your choice of food stores, mom and pop shops, delis, and subsequent market stores like the walmart, k-mart, target.
>Want to go out to eat
Cafes ( If you're on the west coast), Diners, Mom and Pop diners, and loads of other big chain diners.
>Want to buy a car?
Cars aren't worth a long-term investment anywhere. Buy a used for a few thousand, make the adjustments when problems arise, and don't waste more money than you have to.
>Get used to the smell of cigarette smoke, cat piss and the sinking feeling you get when EVERYONE is covered head to toe in camo.
This is the most stupid statement of the lot.
>Bonus: the white people act just like niggers for the most part
This is the runner up of stupid statements.
I've already been there and liked it. The fact that everything's huge compared to my shit country is one of the reasons why I like America.
>Get used to the smell of cigarette smoke, cat piss
That's not exclusive to the US, you know. Europe smells like shit.
I only went to Los Angeles, so I shouldn't say "California", my bad. It was a long time ago, but I remember the city being ugly as sin, the climate being terrible (not to mention the smog) and I didn't feel safe at all (unlike every other place in America I've been to including NY). The people there are also insufferable in many ways.
Also, right now, everything I read about California doesn't make me want to try visiting again. It seems like living there would be hell.
>finding a program to help relocate you
I'm on my way to obtaining my bachelor's right now and I'm going to apply for master's programs, perhaps PhD programs.
Can't I just go to the US on a tourist visa and apply for jobs once I'm done studying? The employer would just need to fill out the H1-B, and I don't think that would be a hindrance since I'd be a qualified and competitive immigrant
You just live in a boring semi-rural area; there are large swaths of the country that aren't like that.
t. guy who grew up in a semi-rural area, later moved to a city that actually has literal alternatives to the "retails" you've described, and recognizes the "choices" you're referring to. The truth of the matter is that once you're in a town north of, say, 40,000 or thereabouts, it becomes much easier to find different, real choices of food, clothing, ways of being. Though admittedly many still adhere to your own non-choices out of their own personal laziness, which is what you're really describing about yourself. If you really wanted to dress sharply or eat Thai food or some shit you could do it, even in Podunk (Amazon is a thing) - you'd just have to cook for yourself.
Also, anti-smoking culture has really ramped up in the past 15 years or so. Now, in addition to being seen as unhealthy, it is associated with being poor and stupid. I myself used to smoke; now the only time I smell cigarette smoke is when I happen to pass a smoker on the street, which doesn't happen that often. My point being that your characterization of America as smelling of cigarette smoke is not representative. Instead, we stuff our fat faces with food now.
Still, your whole thing reminds me of a quote from Black Hawk Down which you'll probably like. The Somalis in Mogadishu capture an American, and offer him a cigarette, which he declines. The Somali leader says, "Oh, that's right. None of you Americans smoke anymore. You all lead long, dull, uninteresting lives."
I'll take it over Somalia, or parts of Europe.
lmfao op you must be joking
I live an hour north of new york city and it sucks here dude. be grateful, I would literally give anything to redo life and have grown up in europe
america is stupid, and boring. and artificial, fake, and gross.
A working program mainly. Working programs would help you earn a working visa to stay for long periods (and can be renewed in the states if I remember), which would help a lot more between migrating and holding a job until your citizenship is granted. There are limits on a tourist visa, and I doubt an employee would be happy to take you up on that when you're subjected as a vistor if they come to ask about your visa.
I'm planning to immigrate to the US as well when I finish my degree. The reason for me is that western Europe is becoming increasingly individualized and more multi cultural than it was before, negating the benefits of living in a homogeneous society. If I can't get that, why should I still pay massive amounts of taxes and not enjoy the same freedoms that Americans do?
From my perspective there are few negatives with migrating, and I don't think america would be worse off with me in it.
>You Americans don't realize how lucky you are to live in that country.
What a joke. There is more money and more land, but that is about it. All of the once great cities except a few are dead and filled with blacks. As a result it's often hard to get living space that isn't in the ghetto. Most have to go in debt for years just to get an education which is needed to get a decent job. Unions have lost their power and small businesses are treated like shit compared to corporations.
We did have a good culture before but since the 50s it turned into a culture of consumerism and now a culture of idiots and celebrities. Most american men have their dicks mutilated at birth. It is common for American parents to kick their kids out soon after they graduate and offer no support, or charge them rent if they stay.
And the country is only getting worse and dumber as you can tell from the current election, where the two meme candidates are by far the most popular. Manufacturing is being outsourced still by greedy corporate fucks. They are the worst thing about this country. They will do anything, whether it be screwing over their customers or employees, anything they can get away with just for a little extra profit. And now they've resorted to using third-world slave labor. Fuck this country.
As a Swiss guy Americans are basically the only group of people I can identify with and feel at home. Probably because we have similar mentalities and our countries were built on the same foundation.
Switzerland is pretty based, that's right. I was generalizing.
We have pretty much the same mentality. What are you studying? How do you plan to move once you're done with uni?
I see. Are these working programs extremely selective/cutthroat, or do you have a reasonable chance of finding work as long as you're qualified?
>There are limits on a tourist visa
Six months, renewable, if I'm not mistaken. Isn't that enough?
Of course an employer couldn't hire me as a tourist, they'd have to fill out an H1-B, but I don't see how that's a problem if I don't cost more than an American worker.
Having lived in both-
The superficiality of Americans is unsettling. Europeans tend to not be as loud, and will not strike up a banal conversation with you because it's considered "friendly". Rather, bothering someone for no reason is usually considered rude in Europe.
On average, you'll be working less hours than you'd in the US as well.
I believe robots would fare better in Europe. Despite this, it's a sinking ship and I'd consider moving back to the US were it not for my job and the difficult process of moving. I can't say that the US is not sinking either. This is evident due to its soft despotism and individualistic, apathetic withdrawal from society. Germans, at least, are more altruistic in regards to their work ethic.
I'm envious of all that land, the open roads, bigger on average houses and such. Europe is such a compacted place.
Sure feels good to live in Freedom
Going on one of these takes your mind off everything else
He was prophetic, wasn't he? If only Democracy in America were a mandatory read for American students.
you dont want to live in maine. unless you live near bath or portland you will have a terrible time finding a real job with benefits.
there are three maines
the southern part which is a clone of Massachusetts
the coastal and inland regions which are fucking dying
From my knowledge they're fairly selective, but if you're qualified you should be good to go. This portion would consist of you going to embassy and asking about work programs in the US, or researching them online.
> Isn't that enough?
An employer would likely feel more insecure about hiring you on. On a vistor visa, it means you're a risk for factor for being up to deportation if by some chance altercations are too occur during your stay which leads to that, and thus won't be in it for long-term employment.
If I remember correctly too, you can't rent property or lease homes on a vistor visa.
>tfw live in a 90% white, Midwest town of about 50K
>tfw crime is non-existent where I live and it's mostly just teenagers being shitheads
>tfw no SJW faggotry or liberal shenanigans here
>tfw rarely see coloreds
>tfw drove past a house one day with a BLM sign in the lawn and when I drove past the same house a few hours later the sign was torn to shreds
It's so nice after spending the first 18 years of my life surrounded by Mexicans and leftists in the People's Republic of California
Yeah, the guy was a visionary.
>If only Democracy in America were a mandatory read for American students
He's not even a mandatory read in French schools, the differences in quality of the American and European educational systems aren't far apart unfortunately
That's true, it is much different depending on the region. I'm probably bitter about the U.S. because I grew up in a depressing rust belt town. But if I lived in Maine or Colorado I'd probably like it.
>live in USA, Florida
>NEET for years and never had a job or real education
>get a job the first week I start looking for one, call center work
>3 years later earning $19/hr after moving positionsue to nepotism and luck
God its good to be an ameican
Please. No one is 'lucky' to find an unpaid internship.
Unpaid internships are a disgusting development in the labor market. I count myself lucky that I graduated from college and never had to demean myself with one of those. Nowadays, the same college requires its students to take "an internship" of some kind (I don't recall any language about compensation) as a prerequisite of graduation. Once in a while there is a mail piece begging about some money (they didn't get enough from me, it seems), and every time, into the trash it goes. I'd sooner work in a gas station than slave-cuck with the possibility of something bigger dangled in front of me, and I feel very sorry for the younger people who go along with these intervals of pure profit for their masters.
Plus Maine is haunted as fuck
Rural Maine is beautiful though.
What states would you say have the most amount of jobs for skilled foreign workers?
>if you're qualified
I'm assuming I'll be considered quite competitive with a master's in finance or economics
>you can't rent property or lease homes on a visitor visa
How do illegals manage to do it without any kind of visa?
But that's cool. I want to go skinwalker hunting one day
>How do illegals manage to do it without any kind of visa?
They pay cash to live in sketchy neighborhoods and they cram 12 people into a 2 bedroom apartment to minimize costs. My aunt owns a ton of slums in California that she rents out to beaners.
The grass is always greener. The U.S. is mostly shittier, even if it is richer, unless you find one of the few spots that are still great. Most of these are in the west and especially the northwest pacific is nice.
>I'm assuming I'll be considered quite competitive with a master's in finance or economics
I'd say you would be considering most people stop at their bachelors. However, the rivalry and certification weighs on what work program you manage to find. I know programming jobs manage to do well.
>How do illegals manage to do it without any kind of visa?
This anon speaks the truth.
The majority are due to the close proximity of Mexico. Most Canadians enjoy Canada for what it has, so not usually with whites.
>visit georgia from southwestern ontario
>expect a ton of crime since pol told me there would be alot of blacks there
>visit rich part
>see blacks in suits with briefcases
>wave cuz im a nice canadian
>white woman in her 20s driving while texting
>black man calls an ambulence for me
>woman drives away
>didnt get her number plate
>have to pay 20 000 for hospital
>mfw americas culture is really confusing
not even lieing here. i later saw a ghetto in the same area where there was a knife fight between two blacks. why is america so confusing? are blacks dangerous or not? are white people nice or not?
They aren't all Mexican, some are from shitty little Central American countries and Florida gets Cubans. The West Coast has a lot of Asian illegals. All the brown and yellow illegals have hordes of kids. It increases the amount of Democrat funbucks they are eligible for, it guarantees their kids get American citizenship and it means they won't get deported because only evil Nazis like Donald Trump would ever want to separate parents from their children. We don't get white illegals because white people move here legally instead of abusing the system.
western europeans are allowed, eastern "european" subhumans stay out
>>worst culture of all first world countries
That's entirely subjective and pretty unfair when you consider the age and origin of our country compared to that of other first world countries.
Entirely untrue, America has the greatest healthcare and health professionals in the entire world by a pretty big margin, you just have to allocate part of your income to your future well being instead of giving the government that much more of your check so they can do it for you.
>>entierty of political aspects is dumbed down to 2 extremes
Entirety** and at most, Republicans and Democrats butt heads on 4 or 5 issues. My out may disagree with a lot of the bipartisan shit (ie. war on drugs, patriot act) but there's by no means two extremes.
>>shitty education system
Name as many prestigious colleges as you can, how many of them were in the US?
>>niggers & spics instead of Muslims
Black people aren't even comparable to Muslims in Europe. They're actual Americans who's family have lived in America for many, many years. Same with a decent amount of spics, though there's still definitely opposition to new, unintegrated immigrants in the Amwrican political climate
Kill yourself. Even as a 17 year old drop-out living in Los Angeles I worked a minimum wage job whilst homeless until I had enough money (and a fat enough github portfolio) to move out of state and get a better job.
>most people stop at their bachelors
Is this a good or bad thing if I have a master's degree?
The ideal thing would be finding a job as some kind of assistant in a university if I manage to get a PhD, but that seems like a pipedream. I'd be happy with anything mediocre to start with.
I barely have any real-world programming skills, unfortunately.
Good thing I'm from western Europe then. Isn't Trump favorable to skilled workers entering the American workforce anyway?
Depends on what your degree is. You're only guaranteed citizenship if your employer can prove that nobody in our country can do the job better than you and that you're providing the country with a valuable asset.
Sorry for the late reply, I'm the guy who's also studying. At the moment I'm working on a major in industrial management and engineering. I'm aiming to get a job at one of the retail companies with a base in Sweden that has an international presence, like Ikea or H&M. Hopefully I could prove myself within the organization and then get recruited into a position in America. That's my plan at the moment anyway.
>what your degree is
Econ BS, econ or finance MS, perhaps PhD as said above
>if your employer can prove that nobody in our country can do the job better than you
Doesn't that limit the entering flow of skilled workers to a handful of extremely qualified experts in niche subjects?
Oh, so you plan on first getting work in your country then becoming an expat. I guess that's the most reliable way, I know a few people who've done that (none in engineering though). Good luck to you anon.
Thanks mate, I hope you'll find your way to the promised land as well. Brace yourself Americans, a second wave of Europeans are about to land in Ellis Island.
murica is a shithole
Our economy will be down the drain once boomershits start collecting social security and medicare. They fucked us over so hard by spending the surplus social security on retard wars instead of saving it for when they were going to be old (WHICH IS THE FUCKING POINT OF PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY). I'm moving outta here once I finish uni. Thankfully I'm almost fluent in German. Can't wait to move into a socialist country.
Its a good thing. A masters here is a higher degree than a bachelors, and in the eye of employers depicts you to be more experienced and educated amongst bachelor applicants. If you go the PhD route, all the better.
Nice. Is it a hindrance if it doesn't come from an American university, though? I know employers prefer it when foreign workers have studied in the country beforehand, but that shit is just too expensive for me.
It's almost like generalizing shit, although much easier to mentally process, is a logically fallacious method of forming your worldview and that you should try to form your opinions of individual people as objectively as possible while simply ignoring both the plebs who try to make out entire demographics to be beautiful, intelligent, and productive citizens and the ones who make them out to be violent, uncouth, heathens.
It shouldn't be a hindrance, if anything, it strikes people here as interesting to of had "studied abroad" in loose terms. Plus, its not as though our languages are too different. If you were from any none-english speaking country, then it would be a hindrance.
>extremely qualified experts in niche subjects
Yes, immigration in the US is fucked. Our politicians are either for one extreme (fuck off we're full) or another (No skill? No knowledge of the native language or culture? NO PROBLEM! Take some money and voting rights and be sure to use them next election :^) with very little opportunity for up and coming politicians to take a middle ground on the matter.
I am seriously considering entering the Green Card lottery next fall. It's not a big chance, but at least I'd have a shot. Getting to the US through employment seems rather difficult, even if I'm about to get my degree from a pretty good university.
The negatives listed here are actually hilarious, since we have most of that stuff here as well or it would be a positive to me.
Nah, as long as you're fluent (which you clearly are) and didn't get your "education" from some shady 3rd world shithole poo in the loo no name college then it won't be a problem.
I thought Trump and Hillary were for an increase in skilled workers through H1-B immigration, though. That's pretty middle-ground. I don't see how they could increase the flow of qualified immigrants if they're only searching for people who are the best in their fields. There's a limit to the amount of top researchers who want to come to the US.
>If you speak fluent English
I speak English well enough that people assumed I was American when I went there, I guess that's enough. Or do I need certs like the TOEFL or whatever?
That gives me hope, thanks.
I seriously considered moving to the US because most of Europe is a sinking ship at this point.
But then I realised that the US isn't just sinking, it's halfway to the ocean floor. I'll take my chances with the roaming migrant rape squads.
I'd rather be on the ocean floor than in a country which literally built slums for its migrants.
Ghettos have existed in the US for decades. You are where we will be in 10 to 20 years.
You wouldn't do shit about it. You allow your nig nogs to chimpout without consequences.
American here. I've been to literally every country in Europe and I can say with 100% confidence that America is without question the absolute greatest country in the history of man and it's going to be even greater when Trump takes office.
It feels good.
>lucky to live in the most feminist cuck paradise on the planet
>lucky to not get shot at by niggers every time you go out past sunset
>lucky to have a nigger president, soon to be replaced by a meme or a feminazi jewess
>lucky to pay virgin tax
>lucky to not be able to fuck ripe 16 year old pussy
>lucky to pay for college
>lucky to have poison shoved everywhere in all consumable items
it's like you're unironically a nigger or something
San Marino and Liechtenstein are meme countries. Moldova, contrary to popular belief, isn't the shittiest country in Europe. Albania is worse. The Vatican reminded me of San Antonio in that literally everything is designed to absorb tourist money from Americans.
He made the big claim which enticed my curiosity and prompted me to have him try some big corroboration. When you say "I've been /literally/ (his word, not mine) everywhere in x", this bears questioning, probing. Had it been him who had No True Scotsman'd away the meme countries (as you did), I would have then dismissed him, but the later reply vaguely makes it sound like he might be truthful, but it's easy to lie.
I'm still dubious that he's actually set foot in the meme countries though. Tell us a story of the hotel in Vaduz, or the entertainment in Monaco.
This is the most autistic post I've seen today and I've been on 4chan all day
Pros and cons. I pay about $100 a month for my PPO through work where I can pretty much see any doctor I want without a referral from a general practitioner. It's not perfect, it took about a month to get in with a "real" doctor but I got into a therapist within a week by just calling them up. There was no upfront cost from the therapist, she took my insurance information and I'm to await to see what the insurance company charges me. Worst case scenario it's $90 a visit. I think my co-pay is like $2500. Common prescriptions are $3 like most insurance plans, really special shit could cost hundreds.
Saying this mostly for the non-Americans if they want a general idea. I'm in the lower-income bracket as I only make about $20000 a year before taxes but I live in the cheap midwest.
I've no experience with either of those fields so I couldn't give you that elaborate of an answer.
Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
It's already difficult to get a job in Germany, even more so if you're a foreigner who can't speak German (perhaps unless you're looking to become a teacher). You would need certifiable experience in these fields as well.
Don't let the language barrier discourage you though.
Deutsch nicht sein sehr schwer. Es sein leicht zu lernen. In Fakt es sein ein von der sehr einfach Sprache
I made a chart just for you
I've been to all the red countries
microstates are meme countries that no one cares about except for contrarian preteens on the internet. kill yourself
The little bitty dots on that thing aren't filled in, you're getting derrierre-defensive, and I can stop listening to you, got it.
Still good that you have Pro-America sentiments tho
yeah, i wish i could move within my country far enough that my family and past acquaintances won't ever bother me anymore. But to do this in europe i'd have to learn a new language or two and it'd still be not far enough
also there is no real wilderness in mainland europe, at best you get old abandoned villages but even most of the forests were already planted by man
ameryka please i can't take it anymore here