Women like masculine men. Men like feminine women. The issue, however, is that a lot of us are feminine guys (even if we don't all like feminine things). We're shy. Sensitive. Feminine men don't like gentle feminine men. They like dominance.
What if we put masculine women together with feminine men?
Speak for yourself, not everyone here is feminine. I'd say that mentally I am very masculine. I think very logically, like building things, fixing things etc. Mastering certain hobbies such as the guitar. I wouldn't say I am sensitive at all; I am actually very stoic as I don't show my emotions. I also have underdeveloped empathy. Physically, I don't know. I am very tall, but thin. But, I have very narrow hips, which is masculine.
I might not be traditionally masculine but I wouldn't say I'm feminine either.
Doesn't matter how many people there are if the ratio is fucked.
If 1/100 women is masculine and 2/100 men are feminine, it doesn't matter if you have 20 people, or 20,000 people or 20 billion people, there will always been a group of men getting fucked.
(The exception of course is infinity, if there are infinitely many people then the ratios are irrelevant).
The opposite is true, actually.
How to spot a masculine woman, even if she's not dressed as one:
>doesn't like kids
>enjoys hobbies that are typically atributed to males such as vidya, hunting, playing guitar and such
>open about her sexual life
...Are we reading the same post? That just seems like a fairly self aware breakdown of his qualities to me.
Of the two very masculine women I know, one of them is asexual (completely lacking everything, even arousal) and the other one is a lesbian
How am I narcissistic or an idiot? I was simply stating that a lot of us might be wrongly perceived as feminine. Then I explained my own qualities, many of which support that statement.
>told for years masculine qualities are bad
>girls want feminine, sensitive, sweater wearing hipster men
>20, complete beta virgin
>realise I've been jewed
>dressing like a man
>start studying forestry and arboriculture
Thank you pol
I don't like anybody who is particularly masculine or feminine, and feels the need to personify those things, it's kind of narcissistic to see yourself as the poster child of masculinity or femininity. It just makes you an annoying cunt and gives people the impression that you can't think for yourself. I like a guy who can drink black coffee and do outdoorsy shit but also groom themselves and be capable of giving advice on feminine things for women too, not some macho douche who is afraid to cook himself a fucking meal.
Because women are more social, whether it's because they're pressured that way or just genetically predisposed, so fewer of them have issues with shyness, which fucking sucks for most of us but life ain't fair I guess...
I just think most people are somewhere in the middle, and imposing this black and white dichtonomy on people is what's toxic in and of itself.
We could either let people find their own balance, or keep fucking up the world and enabling tranny cancer by continuing to lose our shit over ancient customs.
Toxic masculinity is such a tumblr buzzword I can't take anyone who uses it seriously. Obviously agressive overly macho douchebags are shit. So are women that are entitled, dependent, catty spoiled little brats who can't take care of themselves. No one ever talks about "toxic femininity" .
>No one ever talks about "toxic femininity" .
Seriously, it's encouraged for men and women everywhere to act like spoiled materialistic status quo-obsessed idiots, however it manifests itself, it's toxic and inconsiderate behavior overall.
I think the problem is men and women have a different idea of what "feminine* and "masculine" is its why you see so many straight guys wanting femboys, because femboys are feminine in the way that men like, plus men are usually much more willing to fuck then women who like to play games.
Tumblr trannies are more rigid in gender constructs than just about anyone else, they consider anything in the middle to be trans. You should be able to be less than 100% ultra male or 100% girly girly bitch without being a dysphoric trans.
Sorry but I don't subscribe to the idea that gender is anything more than a subjective interpretation of how men and women should behave, mostly according to religious institutions. I believe people can feel masculine or feminine and act upon those feelings, but to reduce your entire character to an embodiment of that feeling is incredibly shallow.
This is true, they can drown in shit
I'm not convinced, I think it is partly social. I mean the specifics definitely are, women wearing high heels is not hard coded into our genetics somewhere.
But I do not believe this utter shit that it is entirely social and there are no psychological differences, there clearly are and anyone who wants to claim otherwise is going to have to provide a decent explanation for why sexual dimorphism which permeates every single other facet of our bodies, our smell, our skin color, our spatial reasoning abilities, somehow magically stops when it comes to personality traits and approach to cognition.
>hurr men and women are basically different species
There are more similarities than there are differences, and enough exceptions to rule out the possibility of this ever mattering.
They're not that significant if men can experience most of the emotions that women can and vice versa. Plus you have no point of reference for knowing how different they are. You're just making blanket assumptions based on evidence gathered from people who are already affected by the social dogmas that encourage polarization of gender.
>There are more similarities than there are differences
I never said there weren't
>and enough exceptions to rule out the possibility of this ever mattering.
Huh? How do the exceptions invalidate the archetype? The existence of women who love math and abstract logical reasoning does not somehow mean we have to throw out the entire concept of femininity. It doesn't have to be perfect to still be a strong pattern. There are plenty of humans born autistic as well, that doesn't somehow render the archetype of humans not being autistic invalid.
And while there might be more similarities than differences, there are still a surprising number of differences...
Masculine women are still women, they still need to be dominated and man-handled to feel good.
If a woman is manly enough that she doesn't need a man controlling her then she'll likely be a lesbian, if not, a whore who will cheat.
How could we "throw out" the concept of femininity? I'm not disputing that the masculine and feminine are hardwired into all of our brains at some level, I'm just saying who gives a shit how it presents itself except people who are looking for an excuse.
By significant I mean they have an impact on behavior. Men and women experience the same emotions of course, but there are subtle differences in how they behave and their though processes. In fact it literally has to be this way in order for mating to be possible. There's evidence that men and women's brains have a somewhat different structure.
>There's evidence that men and women's brains have a somewhat different structure.
Of course, otherwise those trannies saying they were born with the opposite gender's brain wouldn't make any sense.
Yeah but I'm saying you're not helping anybody by investing so much into this idea. You're only fueling the fire, and for what purpose? Or is it just fun to take every single opportunity you can to derail any threads about sex and gender with this reductive bullshit?
It can work but it's a very hard relationship dynamic to make work, if only because of external issues. I'm not very masculine and pretty small, my ex was quite big and not feminine, and though we got on well, everyone we knew including friends and her family said we weren't a good pair and it wouldn't work and always made us feel bad. That's all before any problems the relationship itself may have.
>Women only like dominant insensitive assholes
That's not true though. I've met a lot of introverted sensitive guys where attractive enough to have cute girls competing for their attention.
If you're not attractive, obviously confidence gives you a better chance of approaching a women and capturing her interest.
That's probably what it is, for the ones who aren't making shit up because they saw it on tumblr and thought it would make them cool. Somewhere in the developmental process something fucks up and causes parts of your brain to masculinize or feminize to some extent. It's the same thing that causes gays, your brain developed wrong and tries to follow the mating patterns of the opposite sex.
>tfw you have a fetish for finding tomboys who feel out of place with other girls and like they're "bad at being a girl" and then worshiping them as if they're more beautiful than every make-up applying, social media'ing, girly gossiping sorceress on earth put together
>tfw non-girly girls don't who think they're "mundane" and "unfeminine" and don't realize all the little things about themselves that are adorable as fuck
I don't care about which gender is better, I just think it's interesting. I hope in the future we will have a fuller understanding of how sexual differences manifest themselves psychologically
There is a difference between
>withdrawn, introverted, antisocial, bookish
>emotionally stunted man-child who needs a mommy
Guess which one is exceedingly more common and guess which one self-identifies as "shy guys" 9/10 times?
>still having hopes about finding women
Havent you accepted the truth? We are genetic trash which isnt meant to reproduce. In the past we all would be killed in some unnamed battle.
Most people conflate shyness and introversion as the same thing. Shy guys are horribly insecure and sperg out around women. If women want socially withdrawn guys at all they'd prefer introverts, who aren't giant faggots but just prefer not to socialize.
Likewise you don't actually want a shy girl. Girls are shy because they're nervous and insecure. Sure it's cute on a girl, but once you give her that validation she was craving she'll go right into being a typical slut. What you want is an introverted girl, but genuine ones are pretty fucking rare.
>Can't see past dumb gender war shit to see the benefits of a fuller scientific understanding of the workings of the human mind
What else should scientists not dare research for fear of "reinforcing needless biases"?
>If women want socially withdrawn guys at all they'd prefer introverts, who aren't giant faggots but just prefer not to socialize.
pic related is what women refer to by introverted, basically chad with glasses.
>tfw carry myself in a masculine way
>extremely into femdom
I'll go so far as to say the research would be worth it if we were to first get rid of the gender war nonsense, but that's the only reason anyone would be interested in doing the research in the first place. Nazis did a shitload of research trying to highlight the differences between racial groups and none of it fucking means anything.
By "tight" I guess you mean "simplistic institution that reduces people to caricatures and makes life simpler for gullible idiots who need structure in their lives"
Gender roles and religion, not even once.
I'm a masculine woman with a feminine man.
It works really well.
Physical differences between races are minor and mostly superficial. If it's not obvious to you why there is more likely to be a mental difference between sexes than between races I'm not sure what to say to you. As the other anon talked about with sexual dimorphism, there is a much stronger biological foundation for sex-based differences.
And gender war isn't the only reason why someone would be interested in such research, are you stupid? Understanding the specifics of how men and women's brains function differently could be key treating neurological and psychological problems that may differ between sexes, aside from an improved scientific understanding of how the brain functions and how the human psyche works. I'm not sure why you're so against scientific progress.
In any case, men and women aren't exactly the same. We're all human and all share the same human experience, but that doesn't mean it's healthy to try to ignore any differences. It's not about superiority or inferiority. Do you really think that's the answer to solving all gender problems?
I didn't even come to this thread saying they were the same. You're the one who is obsessed with establishing that they are different and that those differences matter in every facet of life. And I'm assuming you take that stance out of spite, because normal people don't give a shit about this kind of thing. You're doing the opposite of solving problems by nitpicking and being spiteful.
nah think Christian is shit too, really I think the Abrahamic religions are all shit, and we should all go back to our pagan/ethnic roots, at least you hate Islam have my respect on that
I'm not. Was I ever spiteful in anything I said? I think you're confusing me with other anons posting here. I never said they matter in every facet of life. It has nothing to do with spite, I'm just interested in the workings of the human mind, and see no reason why further inquiry into it should be stifled by retarded social problems, which is what you seem to be arguing.
You actually did imply they matter, as far as personality and cognition go, if these differences were usually relevant it absolutely would matter in every facet of life.
>anyone who wants to claim otherwise is going to have to provide a decent explanation for why sexual dimorphism which permeates every single other facet of our bodies, our smell, our skin color, our spatial reasoning abilities, somehow magically stops when it comes to personality traits and approach to cognition.
I'm not "against scientific progress" i'm against biased studies and research done with alterior motives in mind, simply to prove a point that can be just as easily disproven.
Dominant women don't like submissive men either. When you tell them they can just pick up one of the legions of submissive dudes on the internet desperate to be some girls bitch you can see the silent shudder of disgust on their faces. The only thing that changes when a girl is more dominant or aggressive is the chip on her shoulder/how much of a pain in the ass she is to keep in line. The basic desire does not change since they still want to submit, they just ramp up their shit testing/do it in a more masculine way compared to other women.
>What if we put masculine women together with feminine men?
it wll not work, even masculene women want to be dominated, they may denied it but after a long relationship they will get so fucking frustarted that they will divorce fag or fuck somebody in free time.
I have seen this shit and it is not a good idea for a relationship. Women are impulsive, in emotions they lack control or logic over shit they are saying/doing.
Yeah, it's weird. Women like exceptional / powerful / noteworthy men, and even the (rare) girls who like pathetic feminine type guys still seem to like ones who somehow make themselves exceptional.
I've always had much better luck pretending to be alpha/confident with dommes, but being self-deprecating and jokey about how I want to get dommed. Don't go in there like "goddess id do anything 4 u," because they hear that all day every day. Be funny and interesting and give them something worth taming, I guess? I don't even mean "put up a fight," because some don't like that, just give them something that isn't a spineless blob.
I'd be the first person to agree with you if I thought it were true, but honestly, 99.9% of women, including even actual dommes, want to be overawed and made to feel inferior to a man. It's just how women are wired sadly.
Why is it so extreme? Either they don't matter at all or they're 100% important in every way?
Why is any research into mental differences between men and women automatically biased?
>99.9% of women, including even actual dommes, want to be overawed and made to feel inferior to a man. It's just how women are wired sadly.
I disagree. Several of the women I've been with just aren't into it, and it's not like I've been with many either.
>tfw you want a gf you can also be a best friend to
>tfw you can't treat girls like friends because that'll get you in the friendzoned
>tfw you have to treat them like they are children or puppies in order to be successful within a relationship and not be gentle and simply playful and fun
>tfw you can never have moments of weakness around women
try being weak around women and see what happens. try treating a potential spouse like one of your buddies and see what happens. try being like that WITH a spouse. trying being gentle.
see what happens
>tfw fetish for finding shy, feminine, skinny men to care for and protect and pamper
>tfw I want a complete role reversal and dream about making a qt guy feel special and loved even if he's shy/stupid/sensitive
Please tell me you're a feminine qt guy, I will love you and take care of you and we can accept each other for who we are