In my first year comp sci major already at a start up company making 15 dollars an hour at 18. I'm learning skills where I could either go off and do my own start up and become a millionaire or do SEO or web design and make decent money. Probably will be retired by the time I'm 20 living a life of leisure and luxeray
>>26437480 That's because they look like spergs. You know the whole "how can you tell when someone's an engineer" meme? That's kind of true. However more true than that is the fact that STEM students have a weird aura. If you give me a line up of like 20 random students I could easily pick out the stem majors.
>>26437555 >I could either go off and do my own start up and become a millionaire or do SEO or web design and make decent money Computer science field is saturated as fuck, you're delusional if you think you'll make it that far in that short of time. Hope you enjoy your 15 dollar codemonkey job because you won't go much further than that.
>"fall" for the stem "meme" >there are literally more headhunters wanting to hire students than there are students who made it to senior year of the program >was hired before I even graduated >will make more than my entire college expense back in less than a year >insane benefits, vacation time, and bonuses >make 15 months worth of salary every 12 months there are so many bonuses. Every single year.
Yeah. I sure fell for it. You guys got me good. Ha ha.
> Do chemical engineering > Become petroleum engineer, work in offshore oil & gas > After 10 years of making 100K+ semi-retire into freelance consultancy role, invest your money made and take as much time off as you like
>>26437404 Working with law enforcement is always fun. I'm finishing up my sociology degree right now to work in state-level enforcement. It's not the best paying job out there, but it's still fun and the benefits are great, even though the government isn't always the best at keeping promises. If I get the chance though, I'm going to work for the feds as well. My family has a lot of connections with agents, one even bought me a bicycle for Christmas.
I knew a STEM student in university. He dropped the freshman english course four times in four years. The last time he dropped it was because he was assigned a one page double spaced essay to introduce himself to the class. This was during the first week of class.
Many STEM students simply can't into any kind of work or project which does not have very clearly defined rules and boundaries. Liberal Arts are the subjects where rules are boundaries barely exist.
This confounds STEM students, and angers them. It even goes beyond students to scientists. Look up any of the scientists out there who have achieved much fame and their opinions about philosphy. They're pretty butthurt about it much of the time.
>>26437253 >"Don't go to school for a useful degree! Get a degree in history with a focus on Balkan societal structure!"
What is the point of this thread? What are you recommending? You honestly dare to tell young people that going to school for an employable degree is unfavorable and instead they should go for an unemployable degree instead? The only other alternative is starting work at a small local business and "climbing the ladder" for 15 years (read: waiting for somebody more important to retire).
>>26437253 >going to uni for some kind of stem degree so you can get a working-class job that pays decent >not just going to trade school or getting an apprenticeship wow
uni: >meaningless gen-eds >horrible, horrible, absolutely fucking horrible culture >so many indians that you have to watch out not to step in poo >exorbitant amount of money practically stolen from you
we need to end this idea in our culture that you have to go to uni to be a breadwinner. you can get a decent salary by learning a trade. not everyone who wants to make a living has to put themselves through the arrogance of academia
Oh look it's another automaton shilling for trades and making them out to be perfect.
They are very susceptible to economic downturn and lulls in construction. There is often very little opportunity for wage growth and advancement. Physical work may seem charming to you now, but ask anyone who has done it for 20 years straight and you'll understand why there was such a push for white collar work over the last 50 years.
>>26437919 Liberal Arts degrees are fine and you will find work as long as you put in the effort necessary while you're in school.
The problem is most Liberal Arts majors don't do that. They think going to class and passing is enough. It's not even half of what the student should be doing.
Liberal Arts students have more free time compared to STEM students. Many of them decide that time is best used to smoke week or play video games. This is a fatal mistake for their employment after college.
What they should be doing is working on personal or community projects and honing their skills, as well as making good social connections. They should be building their portfolio. Your portfolio is your life in that business.
If a Liberal Arts student puts in the same number of hours towards their major as a STEM student does they'll be just fine.
>study computer science >fuck up at uni and graduate with an ordinary degree without honours >stuck working in a deadend admin role earning minimum wage >apply for loads of developer jobs and hear nothing back
>>26437916 Way to back that up with something substantial. I'm not the guy you're trying naysay, but I can definitely back him up.
I live in Seattle, and Boeing does all that shit. Starting engineers there make a minimum of $80k, two months paid vacation to start, gigantic bonuses (Christmas bonus last year was in excess of $15,000), and the last half of December through, I think, January 4th, off and paid.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and your lack of premises besides "nuh-uh" evinces that very clearly.
>>26439500 Amateur research and writing. Find a topic which has not received much attention and begin digging into it.
Volunteer for work on history related projects. This can be restoration, preservation, anthropological digs, or simply interviews.
I'd also start building up some of the related skills for history in my free time. Getting familiar with photography will give you a small edge when applying for history jobs. Learning another language would be even better.
>>26437253 I'm going to end this shit once and for all.
There are three keys to success in life
>skills >>this includes social skills and charisma
>relevant work experience
'b-but I worked at Starbucks for three years'
That means dick to an employer now go kill yourself
You don't need to have all three to succeed but you do need AT LEAST TWO. That's the reason why you see unemployed Ph.D.s in the world along side billionaire high school dropouts. The Ph.D. focused on his education at the expense of everything else, and the dropout had enough skill and experience to compensate for his lack of education
>>26440427 oh, linguistics. i thought you meant philosophy and the scientific method. and human thought patterns, you can do it without the psychology and neurology, but those fields can really back up some of the philosophical claims. nice!
>>26441852 >>He has a job he actively hates Why go to STEM if you hate it? I went to STEM because I've always had a love for Chemistry, ever since I was very young. >He has a job where his co-workers resent him and everything he does Why? You're co-workers in STEM respect you if you produce quality papers, and evaluate other papers well. They don't respect mediocre work
>Living the dream. Yeah, of someone who likes STEM, not if you're bad.
Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
>>26439538 >Yours truly, >A stem major minoring in philosophy
Kek, so you actually have no job in the field then you fucking mong, you're just a student talking about what you totally will get when you graduate, like every other student.
Most engineering jobs are fucking shit, and you're not going to be earning anything near fucking 80k a year straight out of uni unless you're insanely talented and literally have people fighting over getting you for their business.
The only field that does is medicine, and that's because they've already worked for a few years before they graduate properly, so they're going straight into good jobs, assuming they're capable.
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