The dad is right. The daughter and her boyfriend are most likely trying to have sex. I'd say that unless your kids are at least 18, you shouldn't condone it. It's best to wait until you're at least a full adult before doing it, in my opinion. Even if it happens when they're in high school, at least don't just allow them to do it.
I'm kind of disturbed that the mom is totally okay with this situation. And not wanting her to have sex when she's still technically a kid isn't going to make her ashamed of sex or whatever. She can do it when she's an adult, and then it'll be her business. I'm honestly surprised that there are parents who are fine with their children having sex while they're still a minor.
The dad sounds like some bitter betacuck with a fragile ego grasping desperately at an imagined form of "masculinity" in the form of controlling the female members of his family. He's a fucking little bitch trying to convince himself and others that he isn't by putting on some boss routine. Even the wife thinks it's just fucking lame. If he wanted respect, he should ensure that his daughter and the bf are both educated on safe sex.
>>26426719 You know, I actually champion the freedom mentality because as a teenager, my girlfriends dad let me stay over their house. We got along, I was respectful, and I fucked his daughter. Just as nature intended.
I'm sorry you can't relate to this innocent and enjoyable part of life.
>>26426355 That seems fairly normal. Out of the three longish relationships I had in high school, two of those had mothers who didn't care if I stayed over. I basically lived with the girl who I dated while a senior
>>26426355 The dad sounds like he means well, but is doing a shitty job. He's trying to protect her, but he's just smothering her and no doubt driving her away. Teenagers will find a way and a place to fuck if they want to. Better somewhere safe than outdoors or something. Also better to let his daughter to learn about sex as a healthy part of a loving relationship rather than something she has to hide.
I dare say the mum's right about the American thing. They seem to have a really unhealthy approach to sex in general.
>>26426955 If she wants to act like an adult that's fine, her body her choice right? But actions have consequences. She wants to act like an adult, she can do it out of my house period. Watching my mom play my grandparents my entire life has gotten me to the point where I will straight up abandon my kids at 18 if they're shitters until they get their shit together.
So it seems pretty clear that there's two points of view here, the liberal view and cuck-obsessed view.
I can't help but feel that the cuck-obsessed view is from people who either have been cucked or deeply fear being cucked. So much that it's affected how they even see women who are close to them in a non-sexual way.
I understand that the mother wants her daughter not to be ashamed of her sexuality and to have a safe environment. However, at 17 she should already be confident and have the judgement to choose a trustworthy boy and place for sex. The father is still right imo because it's his house and naturally he would be disgusted with the idea of his daughter having sex within earshot. He also wants her to be safe from stds and pregnancy.
>This isn't the first time he feels disrespected by the behavior of other people >he feels disrespected by what my daughter or I wear meaning she dresses like a hooker and encourages her daughter to do the same. >or because I talk freely with other people. She probably flirts with random guys or talks about private family/relationship issues to people who have no business hearing them.
That's what bothers me the most. It seems like she has no regard for her husband and maybe she's trying to vicariously live out the adolescence that she wishes she had by being overly permissive with her daughter.
>>26427038 >There's 2 views in this thread, the moderate view and the man-baby view
How about you explain the fault in logic of denying your daughter of 17 to have her boyfriend (someone who she's obviously sexually attracted to, ergo the relationship) to not only sleep under the same roof sans supervision (wife as made it abundantly clear that sex is more than likely) and in the same room?
How about a 3rd view, if I own the house, pay the bills, and put food on the table and clothes on my childrens' backs, I get to make the rules (within reason)? Or is that too "cuck-obsessed" for you?
My sister dated an American guy and lived in the same house as him and his family for over a year. The house had a rule that my sister and her boyfriend weren't allowed to be alone in a room with the door closed. The mother almost kicked my sister out after months of living there because she thought they had been in a closed room. They were both over 21 too.
>>26427014 Statistically, she is considerably less likely to end up in a bad situation if your open and frank about sexuality, she is educated on how to be safe, and she has a safe and comfortable place to have aexual relations. Sex has to be learned about, just like every other part of being an adult. I'm not saying not to discipline your fucking child, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with sex.
See here, this propertarian view. Do you belong to anyone? Are you someone else's possession? You can't own a human, it's that simple.
You can own a house, but that's the only argument against this whole debacle. You can kick people out or let people in as you please. But trying to disguise your cuck-insecurity as a property dispute is folly.
>>26427170 I'm not saying there is either, and if you really wanna get pissed, I might even be more lenient with a son.
>>26427180 >Punishing them for it is a tacit admission that you're a total failure as a human. Hahahaha like you needed to tell me that. The most astonishing part is that you probably think this post is cause for introspection, but honestly, I couldn't care less why they turned in to shitters. Blood may be thicker than water, but that's not always a good thing.
>>26427190 What ever happened to "My house, my rules"? This is why kids are so shit and entitled now. Parenting basically doesn't exist anymore. If the kid doesn't like how the dad runs things, they can move out. It's that simple.
>>26427223 I'm sure you can see that stifling them is not looking out for their best interest. The father in the above post is acting the way he is due to his own insecurities and hangups. It has nothing to do with wanting to protect his family.
>>26427280 >Your genes aren't that valuable and you're basing your life's worth on the natural instincts of a fucking rat. A valuable human lives on through his teachings, not his blood. I don't see how that discounts what I said. I would obviously be teaching her how to not be a slut.
>>26426788 Sounds like the mom misses her cock riding days
>>26427087 >hey sweetheart, what's our daughter up to? >oh she's just getting fucked by her boyfriend *daughter walks in with cum all over her face* >Hey daddy, Thanks again for letting Chad stay over! >N-no problem darling...
If they're gonna fuck, they better do that shit in his car or his place.
>>26427292 Oh so you are just a cuck then, honestly if you don't have a disgust reaction to the whole situation you are morally retarded. How any one could think that a man with balls should agree to letting a guy fuck his unmarried daughter in his own house is fucking incredible.
>>26426839 If she is living in MY household, then she needs to follow MY rules. I won't have any other man come to my house, the place where I raised my daughter from birth, and taint it with his sexual presence. I know what kids do, I don't need to be thinking about what she is doing after I come home form work.
I love how so many people in this thread are saying "Gonna fuck anyway. Gotta keep 'em safe."
If they're "mature" enough to do things like have a boyfriend and "plan for cohabitation" (translation plan on moving in with boyfriend) then I don't think they'd be fucking in a back alley or overpass. This is a person that's getting ready to go into the adult world, they're aware of the situation and they're aware of ways to get around it that don't involve going to a crackhouse and banging there.
Further, the issue shouldn't be "muh stifled secksuality" or "muh outmoded values", but recognizing that you're living with other people, so what doesn't fly with one person either shouldn't be happening, or someone should leave. If your roommate always throws massive parties and it seriously bothers you, then someone should be removed from the equation, at least as far as that topic goes. Party somewhere else or maybe you step out while it's happening.
>>26427170 None of that means that you should let your daughter get banged under your roof. We both know that it's safest (from stds, preggers) if she doesn't have sex at all. Naturally you would exert influence in your domain (home) because everywhere else it would be illegal/rely on compliance.
>>26427397 See, this is parenting. What the other guy doesn't understand is that you're not there to be your kid's friend, you're there to make sure they grow up to be a respectable person and that they can't just walk all over you and do whatever they want.
If she wants to do what she wants, she can do that when she is of legal age and lives in her own house, pays her own bills, and fully takes responsibility for her own life.
>>26427190 Okay, first, do you not understand euphemisms? Because I consider all my friends "me and mines" and I have no illusions of control over any of them. Second, do I really need more of a reason to kick someone out for trying to fuck my daughter? Would you be saying the same thing is instead of "daughter" the word "wife" was used? Get fucked cuck.
>Benefits of letting your daughter's boyfriend sleep over: If Chad gets rapey you can answer her cries for help and beat him up. You can make sure that they have enough condoms and lube to stay protected. You can observe your daughter's first steps on post-sex 'jelly legs'. Daww You can coach them 'in-play'. If Chad can't do the job you can tap in. Her mother will be there to comfort her if she's scared.
>Detriments of letting your daughter's boyfriend sleep over: ...
>>26427772 I don't care about rape culture. But if a woman gets sexually assaulted by a guy she is seeing, it's her fault for choosing to have sex with someone that is a sexual assaulter. Why would you even put yourself in that position, god.
>>26427570 Or you know you could give your daughter her most important lesson in sex ed: choosing the right boy to have sex with. This lesson will actually increase her autonomy since she will now be equipped to make her own choices without relying on paternalistic protection.
>>26426815 >not that i'll ever have a daughter, BUT for the sake of argument
I would PREFER that my 17 year old daughter didn't have sex with anyone, and I certainly would not condone that behavior and allow it to occur in my own home.
Can't stop them from making stupid decisions, but you don't have to encourage it.
Also, the only way to "assure" everything is safe would be for me to >take him to get tested for STD's >purchase, and inspect the condom before placing it on his dick >watch them the entire time to make sure they don't remove it and inspect for tears periodically
>>26426839 >hurr durr you jealous brah? >only a weirdo wouldn't let Chad bang one out with their underaged daughter in the next room
>condemned A 17 year old is a minor, so yes I condemn statutory rape.
>is she my property No, but she is my dependent, and I have legal custody over her.
I have the obligation to furnish a home for her, and to oversee medical treatment. I am prohibited from neglecting or abandoning her, and therefore have a huge personal stake in her actions and well-being until she becomes an adult.
>How disrespectful is it In my home, without my consent? Extremely. I hope he enjoys his hospital stay.
You aren't going to force your degenerate views down my throat. Enjoying prepping your daughter's bull.
>>26428106 Noone in the thread claimed to be a Christian. Also, Christians don't all believe the same thing. Jesus told people to not follow the laws too strictly. He ate grain and worked on the Sabbath in order to show a liberal view on the Old Testament.
>>26428127 >17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the [Mosaic] Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven..." - Matthew 5:17-19 (quoted from Jesus himself btw) k fampai
>>26427038 there's a third view, that is, the wanting to be cucked view i'd love to have a daughter bring boys everyday to her room and then tell me about how she got creampied and how she felt in the moment
>you have to let your daughters pussyhole be fucked whenever she wants or you arent a human being You got to be fucking joking Spot the poofters who needed a fucking whack when they were stupid, shitty kids
>>26426355 Depends on if I know the boyfriend or not. I wouldn't allow it if he was just some retard my daughter had only known for a week. I'm not saying they have to be long term material, especially since she'd probably be leaving for college in a year anyway, but I'm not about to give her the go ahead to put out immediately like some slut. She don't like it she can move out.
>>26427803 The age of consent here is also 15, it's not just Scandinavian countries, lol, it's still a sign of bad parenting when your child (especially daughter) is having underage sex. God, northern Europe is so fucked, I'm not even /pol/ but you people disgust me.
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