>be 22 year old kv NEET highschool dropout >21 year old

>>26406248
It feels good pretending to be better then someone doesn't it. Instead of pretending, i advise you get a g.e.d and then go to cc, if that mouthbreather can do it so can you faggot

>>26406248
This seems like you're trying to justify the fact you couldn't get into college.

>>26406551
No thats not it
Im just pointing out that there are a whole lot of unemployed or McDonalds tier job college graduates. College, in this day can no longer ensure employment

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>>26406248
Even as expensive as it is now, college is def. worth it. Maybe not for Computer Science though.

>>26406582
Yeah no shit. But provided you don't go to a shit tier college or do a shit tier degree a lot of companies will hire you based off just your degree (if you interview well).

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>25 yr old in second year of CS
>no motivation or knowledge to do any of my own projects, just want to end up with a decent job where I don't have to talk to many normies.

>>26406248
>I'm a neet whose hobby is computers
>he's a college student who enjoys working with one of the most widely used languages in the world
>I'm better than he is

you sound like an unbearable cunt desu fampai

3rd year undergrads in most majors barely know anything about their field apart from skills that look good on resumes. The goal of a degree is to get you into a job where you'll learn the niche shit you need. There's no point learning that in school unless you already know exactly what kind of job you are going to get. You don't really get into niche shit in college until you go to grad school.

That isn't to say college is worth it but you're talking shit about something you know nothing about.

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Dude you dont need to go to college to do that shit. I know kids that just straight up showed they can code and got jobs. Do that, make some cash, bag a fattie off tinder

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>>26406665
Oh no you're misunderstanding me, im not saying im better than my cousin. Im just saying, that my cousin, is making a wrong decision. He isn't interested by computers and yet he's doing CS. What could be worse than being bound to a particular field that doesn't excite you
, until you retire?
>>26406662
Javascript is not a language anon, its an interpreted script

>>26406662
OP is a twat but JavaScript is pure shit.

>>26406707
Javascript is literally a programming language m8.

>>26406248
Yeah but you didn't even finish highschool , so you can't even get a code monkey job.

>>26406707
> being bound to a particular field that doesn't excite you, until you retire?
Falling for the you should do what you love meme.

>>26406662
>who enjoys working with one of the most widely used languages in the world
Is this supposed to be a good thing? Unless by "enjoys working with" you mean "is in the top 100 programmers of", that just makes him sound like a fuvkibg pleb.

>>26406734
I didn't finish high school and I got a job as programmer/system administrator when I was 17.

Wasn't a great job and I was underqualified, but I still had it.

>>26406707
>Javascript is not a language anon, its an interpreted script
literally what

>>26406719
JavaScript is a cool little language which can do tricks you can't with C++. I'm thinking of e.g. passing anonymous functions as variables, closures, etc.

Its main use is to control web pages through a horrendous API called the DOM which requires you to step through a tree a gazillion times. People who are less skilled at CS confuse MUH API and MUH LANGUAGE and thus unfairly bash JS.

>>26406799
>I didn't finish high school and I got a job as programmer/system administrator when I was 17.

When did this happen? Back in 1982? or in your dreams?

>>26406639
Me too, it's honestly pretty easy to learn tho

>>26406707
There is absolutely no job that excites me or interests me, it's all about the money bro

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>>26406639
>>26406848
OP here
You guys should find a hobby or something, i program stuff because of pure leisure and nothing else. Theres nothing wrong with not applying your knowledge but its far better to find a hobby that you enjoy

For example i like playing around with microcontrollers and various algorithms to do stuff

>>26406843
In 2011. It was a Flash game that ripped off another, popular Flash game with a Java server.

>>26406905
This. OP seems to be under the impression that everybody can find something "exciting" to study in college. Most of the time hobbies and interests just don't overlap with jobs/degrees.

>>26406970
>>26406905
Thats very true, most hobbies dont overlap with occupation, but there are a lot of things you can do which you enjoy, that are related to your hobby.

For example if you like playing video games, you could become a video game maker, or you enjoy watching porn, you could become a porn cameraman (they're well in demand actually)

>>26406927
>DE
>Stacking
>Geany
>fuckhuge fonts
>the audacity to use hax0r colors
Still, looks neat, is that a custom PCB or can you buy those spmewhere?

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programming is like mental olympics. why people think they will have a job by simply having a degree in it confounds me.
i realized this very early on and have resigned myself to sticking with IT and just learning linux systems. perhaps i'll try and learn in the future, but i'm just not OCD/autistic enough to have it as a career.

>>26407082
I bought this dev board off ebay for like 20$
Pretty good, it has slots for 28 pin DIP and 40 pin DIP Atmega uCs. Currently have atmega8 and atmega32
I also have a couple of breadboards

>>26407111
Rationalizing the fact that you can't program? At least I can admit to myself that I'm not cut out for math or physics as a career.

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>>26407145
>>26407111
programming is easy brothers, even sub 90IQ indians can do it, so dont every worry that you cant program because you cant into math, its just because you havent tried.
You can learn to program in a month maximum, but that is if you dont lose interest mid way

>>26407255
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not smart enough to be a mathematician or a physicist, so I'm a programmer instead.

>>26407287
You could have settled for engineering.

>>26407305
>You could have settled for engineering.
Engineering is 95% math, if you cant into math, engineering is a death sentence

>>26407305
I'm reserving that as a hobby.

>>26406248
Of course you have a personal project: you have all the time in the world. Your cousin is busy with school. And not knowing what a mebibyte is irrelevant. Actual computer science doesn't require knowing the name for a certain amount of memory.

>>26407323
But it's easy, applied math. I can handle calculus and linear algebra, it's pure math that fucks my head up.

>>26407337
>And not knowing what a mebibyte is irrelevant.
Sure if you're incompetent as fuck and never work with low level stuff

>>26407287
it's just like mental lifting dude. if you can think about how to parse shit in lists and control program flow, you can learn how to parse equations in graphs and do algebraic calculations.

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School isn't for learning, it's for getting a piece of paper that society deems valuable. There will always be those who slide by just to get the piece of paper, and those genuinely interested in the material.

It's fine that you're a NEET interested in this stuff, but you can't hold the rest of the world to your stupid standards. You making a coffee machine from scratch and knowing the difference between Mebibytes and Megabytes is really just as useless as his degree.

>>26407367
Does this apply to abstract thinking is? I can barely grasp what a lie group or a category is, and even when I understand the definitions the actual meaning of it all eludes me.

>>26407362
But he's right. Knowing offhand the difference between a mebibyte and a megabyte is totally irrelevant to the majority of contemporary programming and even more irrelevant to actual computational science. Sorry, dude.

>>26407447
If they're experts in their field they'll know regardless.

>>26407387
I know loads of people with tons of theoretical knowledge but not an ounce of practical.
My uncle for example, he's an electrical engineer, yet when electrical stuff breaks, he calls the repairman, he was at the top of his class too. My father, was among the mid tier students, opens up the broken machine, diagnoses the problem, buys appropriate parts to repair it, and then finally repairs the machine

>>26407491
Sure, but calling an undergrad student ignorant for not knowing something that will probably never come up for them until they randomly Google it is just stupid nitpicking.

>>26407447
Knowing it doesn't make you ultra smart or anything, but not knowing it does shows you dont give a fuck about what you're studying and wont do too well.

Knowing what a mebibyte to a CS student is like knowing the chemical formula of water to a chemical engineering student, they just HAVE to know it, or there's something seriously wrong

>>26407581
Okay, if you insist.

>>26406248
Its all because of those shit tier colleges popping in every corner of the country. They have no standards for teaching and produce shitty graduates who think they have actual employable skills while they dont, they just have a degree that says they do, otherwise they dont

>>26407492

Yes, but that's not the point I'm making here. Your uncle has measurable value to society because he has an electrical engineering degree, regardless of his ability to fix things. Your father has great practical ability, but doesn't have as great a GPA and this probably affected his career choices at graduation.

The point I'm trying to get across here is that value is more than just a practical measure. More often than not, it's a matter of perception. You don't value your cousin's skills and instead favor your own, but an employer would consider him before you because of his degree.

That's fine, I don't care that you're a NEET, this is a NEET board (or at least used to be), but just think about it from the other side.

>>26407655
>You don't value your cousin's skills and instead favor your own, but an employer would consider him before you because of his degree.
Is having a degree a skill or are you referring to something else?

>>26406248
I dropped out of CS I used to program games when I was 13-15 now I play with FL Studio and make shitty music.

I'm a wageslave security guard but I hope to be a cop someday.

>>26407674

Value doesn't equal skills

For the most part, a degree always holds value. Really shitty ones don't hold that much value, and neither do ones in irrelevant disciplines, but the point I'm trying to make here stands.

>>26407806
So what exactly are you referring to when you say "your cousin's skills"?

>>26407655
Lol actually my father makes a shitload more money than uncle. Practical ability is one of those things employers don't directly say they want but actually crave for

>>26407145
>rationalizing the fact that you can't program?
did you not read my post or something? i already know why i can't program, i'm already okay with it, i already know why most CS students drop out or earn chump change after graduation from not getting hired since they actually can't program. i can admit to myself that i'm not cut out for programming as a career, i've already done it.
jesus you're aspbergers as fuck, thank you for proving my point

>>26407832
>>26407850

The point I'm trying to make here, and that doesn't seem to be getting across, is that you can't shit on your cousin for not knowing about Mebibytes or want to make coffee machines from breadboards.

You don't have to work or get a degree to care about computers or CS. But there's inherent value in his degree, even if he doesn't cater to your tastes - he is employable for a salary, while you probably aren't.

Again, you don't have to work in this field to love it - just recognize that your cousin is onto something. Being a shitstain code monkey at six figures with no practical knowledge is at least comparable to a 22kv neet with breadboard coffee skills.

>>26407883
>i'm just not OCD/autistic enough
This is rationalization, just sour grapes. If you were being honest about it you would have said you're not capable enough, rather than trying to spin your shortcoming as a positive.

lol web hipsters

I meet retards like op from time to time. He clearly has zero understanding of computer science. Not surprising, given he is too stupid for high school.

Computer science isn't about learning various file formats for all computer applications. It isn't about learning trivia like what a mebibyte is, or whatever the fuck.

Computer science is about learning how to manipulate data, design algorithms, follow design patterns, and ultimately process information to produce useful results.

"But you don't know about vector video formats!" Give him a few years, let him read the specs, and he will. He will know more intimately than op could ever dream of.

Plus, JavaScript is absolutely a programming language. "Building" a coffee machine is decidedly less impressive than having built one, and neither is that impressive. Finally, op has no room to criticize about his cousin's earning potential. Even if cs weren't top five undergrad degrees for earnings, it would still be better than a middle school graduate's earning "potential".

>>26408192
I wouldn't be so sure, a lot of colkege graduates come away with little to nothing. Maybe he's in the top of his class though, I dunno.

>>26408192
OP here, I know more than my cousin
I read RFC specifications all the time, he hasn't heard of any of them

>>26408753
You missed what he was saying. Specifications aren't computer science. Knuth, Dijkstra and SICP are examples of computer sciencereading material.

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>>26406248
he will be a code monkey and you will be burger flipper.

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>>26408753

>i'm smarter as a kv highschool drop out than my cousin who is actually a functioning member of society and doesn't read rfc specs online

nice bro

>>26409023
You nailed it
Thanks

>>26409029

anytime senpai

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>>"because 6 figure salary anon"
Computer science is now what being a lawyer was 10 years ago.

>"hurr hurr i'ma be rich"
>decides to go into a field they had no previous interest or knowledge of
>either does this straight out of HS, or is doing "le online degree in 10 easy steps!"
>learns nothing applicable
>piles of debt
>ends up as a corporate bureaucrat

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>tfw too stupid to ever into computers beyond swapping parts.

I'm not good/proficient at anything at all, so I picked business as my major. I have no clue what I'm going to do after school is done.

>>26409218
McDonald

original

>>26406248
First let's get thsi out of the way, "Mebibyte" is seriously yuropoor autism, also all those "-bibyte" words are impossible to pronounce. Gibibyte? Get the fuck out of here

CS major fall into two major groups..

One is the lazy autist HS kids who watch MLP, smell like magic the gathering, dream of game design, and heard you don't have to do too much math to get a degree to get paid to play with computers. If they're "serious" they teach themselves python and feel accomplished

The other is undeclared or liberal arts major who switch into CS for the money. There's a large number of chem/history/english/bio grads who can't get a job or failed to get into med/law school, who go for an easy second major in CS. Again because the degree is easy. Included here is a subgroup of east asian or curry immigrants whose parents are making them do it, also for the money.

CS is a meme degree, it's practically liberal arts at this point. If you really like "computer science" please major in electrical/computer engineering or even just mathematics and you'll be better off and incidentally you'll actually know more about the field. If you do CS you need a PhD to not be just another CS bachelor's memeshit.

I have so many hobbies I get into, I might actually be able to since dropping videogames too. I'm just reading a lot at the moment. I've read five books this year which is more than I read all of last.

Also thinking about getting into joinery, programming and art.

I feel like the CS market is going to get oversaturated in the next couple of years, I mean the six figure salary meme can't go on forever and currently even more and more people are getting into the field. It might not happen now but in 5 years, who knows?

>>26406248
>they just there for the money

that has always been the reason, anon

You think normies playing college sports were there because they're passionate about academia?

Anyway, I'm going to go for architectural design. Somebody school me on why I shouldn't.

>>26406601
No college isn't really worth it in this day in age, there's enough decent paying jobs out of high school is you're not a degenerate. According to this graph I make as much a week as someone with a masters degree

>>26410010
Because you don't have an entire family of architects, civil engineers, or building mafia, who's going to help you actually make a living out of it?

>>26407255
>You can learn to program in a month maximum, but that is if you dont lose interest mid way

More like 2 months but it's very easy to lose interest, Ive done like 5 tries already to get out of NEETdom. It wasn't hard but it required discipline which I lack